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Microsoft Pressures Testers After Software Leak

CowboyNeal posted more than 7 years ago | from the everyone-play-nice dept.

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narramissic writes "ITworld reports that Microsoft is 'taking tough measures to find out who leaked a Community Technology Preview (CTP) of Windows Home Server to The Hotfix.net blog.' The software preview was posted on the site by a user named 'Richard' soon after it was released to a small group of testers. In an e-mail to MVPs whose names contain 'Richard,' Kevin Beares, the Windows Home Server community lead at Microsoft, wrote: 'For right now, you have no access to the beta until I can find the Richard who posted the WHS (Windows Home Server) CTP on this site.... I will work with the Connect Admin team to determine which one of you is the real culprit of this leak.'"

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Prediction (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731429)

If this was Apple we would get many posts defending their right and need to do this. Since it is MS we won't. -Larry

Mod Parent Up Please (0, Troll)

rueger (210566) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731581)

He's right.....

What a Dick ! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731649)

Get it? Richard. Dick.

Re:Prediction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18732147)

Only from those that like Apple.

Apple-haters would whine about how if Microsoft did it, people would complain.

Re:Prediction (4, Insightful)

Jake73 (306340) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732247)

I think MS needs to root out the leak, that's just good business. But why exclusively ban people with the name Richard? I mean, if I were to do something like this, I wouldn't use my real name. That just doesn't make sense.

In fact, I'd probably think that a real Richard was less likely to have done this. But perhaps that's what Richard would have me think...

Have you read Slashdot before? (2, Informative)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732323)

If this was Apple, we would get a bunch of people bitching about Apple's secrecy, like we always do. Kudos on the "I'm pointing out Slashdot double standards, mod me up!" karma whore routine, though. It's a worthy classic.

And you're wrong, there will be plenty of Microsoft shills defending Microsoft.

Re:Prediction (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18732397)

Waaaah. Fucking WAAAAAAHHHHHHH.

The MS approach (5, Funny)

ACS Solver (1068112) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731437)

foreach (Tester ReallyUnluckyGuy in GetTestersByName("Richard"))
{
    ReallyUnluckyGuy.DenyAccess(Now);
    ReallyUnluckyGuy.AskQuestions(Later);
}

Re:The MS approach (2, Funny)

eneville (745111) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731815)

foreach (Tester ReallyUnluckyGuy in GetTestersByName("Richard"))
{
ReallyUnluckyGuy.DenyAccess(Now);
ReallyUnluckyGuy.AskQuestions(Later);
}
foreach( sort keys %testers ) {
if( $_ =~ /^richard$/i ) {
undef $tesers{$_};
}
}

Re:The MS approach (3, Insightful)

eosp (885380) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732259)

/^richard$/i and undef $testers{$_} for %testers;

Re:The MS approach (2, Funny)

His name cannot be s (16831) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732317)

Leave it to a perl guy to *try* make some thing terse and unreadable, when he could have used javascript:

foreach (Tester ReallyUnluckyGuy in GetTestersByName("Richard"))
{
ReallyUnluckyGuy.DenyAccess(Now);
ReallyUnluckyGuy.AskQuestions(Later);
}
foreach( sort keys %testers ) {
if( $_ =~ /^richard$/i ) {
undef $tesers{$_};
}
}
for( each in testers )
      x = /richard/.test(testers[each]) ? PWN(testers[each]) : null;

Re:The MS approach (1)

glwtta (532858) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732145)

Same capitalization rules for class names, methods, and variables? Whatever that language is, I don't think I like it.

Re:The MS approach (2, Funny)

bsane (148894) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732251)

Your language dictates capitalization of class names, methods, and variables? Whatever that language is, I don't think I like it.

Re:The MS approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18732391)

At least the Microsoft developer that would write that is honest :-)

Seriously... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731439)

What a dick.

Wow... (5, Insightful)

Etherwalk (681268) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731441)

The leaker was arrogant/foolish enough to use his real name.

Probably, at least. Granted, you'd think he was just being a Richard and it needn't have anything to do with his name, but think about--someone leaked MS's follow-up email to people named Richard. Might it have been the Richard we're looking for? :)

Re:Wow... (5, Funny)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731635)

How many Dicks (I mean Richards) work for MS?

Re:Wow... (1)

TigerTime (626140) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731643)

what a Dick

Re:Wow... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731737)

RMS MS MVP?

Re:Wow... (5, Insightful)

vertinox (846076) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731751)

The leaker was arrogant/foolish enough to use his real name.

To be fair, it isn't that hard for a Robert to type in Richard instead.

Re:Wow... (2, Insightful)

Etherwalk (681268) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731825)

Yes, but someone who received the email (meaning someone named Richard) then leaked the email.

Real Name? (1)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731857)

The leaker was arrogant/foolish enough to use his real name.

This is supposing a lot. I for one, would probably use the name of somebody I didn't like. Maybe something like Steve, or Bill. But that might be a little obvious, no?

Re:Real Name? (1)

someone1234 (830754) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732003)

Use Stephan or William and it is not so obvious then.

Shades of... (4, Interesting)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731445)

...the whole class being kept behind at school until they found the culprit.

ATTN: SWITCHEURS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731697)

If you don't know what Cmd-Shift-1 and Cmd-Shift-2 are for, GTFO.
If you think Firefox is a decent Mac application, GTFO.
If you're still looking for the "maximize" button, GTFO.
If the name "Clarus" means nothing to you, GTFO.

Bandwagon jumpers are not welcome among real Mac users [atspace.com] . Keep your filthy PC fingers to yourself.

Re:Shades of...breadcrumbs (1)

Fox_1 (128616) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731947)

Or keying the teachers car with the initials of the jerk you don't like in your class. Gotcha ya pocker, 3 months detention and 200 repair bill. Seriously if I wanted to pock over some dood at work I'd frame him with a leak.

Like Richard used his real name... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731455)

Yeah, round up everyone named Richard, that's M$ smarts for ya!

NOT a Model employee (3, Informative)

rueger (210566) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731459)

"The software preview was posted on the site by a user named 'Richard' soon after it was released to a small group of testers."

I'd think that Microsoft's bigger question whether someone this dimwitted should allowed to work with their code. Why would I not be surprised if "Richard" really was the guy's name. Talk about poor judgment.

Re:NOT a Model employee (1)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731553)

MVPs are not employees, they're people who help out with supporting people on the official forums and so on.

Now they are really screwed... (4, Funny)

Utopia (149375) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731463)

...for leaking the letter too.

Re:Now they are really screwed... (3, Funny)

ady1 (873490) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731679)

Yeah and what more is that they sent a letter with unique spellings mistakes to each of the richards. Now he's really screwed.

Re:Now they are really screwed... (4, Informative)

Fox_1 (128616) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731893)

The "Canary Trap" from Patriot Games or some other Tom Clancey Novel. Instead of unique spelling mistakes, a selection of unique words to each email using a Thesaurus . One email says "We will find out who did this" another "We will discover who did this" another "We will locate who did this" and etcetera ...

Of course all they can find out is who leaked the email, there is no reason the Richard who leaked the email is the same person who posted the bad review. My AdultFriendFinder name is Richard Steel, you won't find me in the phone book under that.

grep /rich(?:ard)?|[dr]ick/ (5, Funny)

Speare (84249) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731479)

In an e-mail to MVPs whose names contain 'Richard,' Kevin Beares, the Windows Home Server community lead at Microsoft, wrote: 'For right now, you have no access to the beta until I can find the Richard who posted the WHS (Windows Home Server) CTP on this site.

Translation, "Are you the Dick who leaked?"

Re:grep /rich(?:ard)?|[dr]ick/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731703)

MS: "Are you the Dick who leaked?"
BD: "That's BIG Dick to you."

Re:grep /rich(?:ard)?|[dr]ick/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731955)

Translation, "Are you the Dick who leaked?"

Microsoft: "Because we're pissed!"

Because clearly he *must* have used his real name (4, Insightful)

tjrw (22407) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731495)

Sheesh,
this is about as well-thought out as the no-fly list "algorithm". Well, Abdul looks a bit like Andrew so you're a suspect, eh?

If they didn't watermark, or put some other individual identifying marks in each of the CTPs handed out, then they have no clue who leaked it, and punishing the innocent is not going to improve their chances.

Dear Slashdot - Thankyou! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731501)

Dear Slashdot,

Thankyou for agreeing to help publicize our new products by spreading information about our phoney leak. You have my personal assurance that if we ever find this "Richard" character, I will be certain to punish him very severely for creating public awareness of our super-innovative new server software. Gosh, I do hope no-one downloads a pirate version and sees how awesome it is!

Also, thanks for your good work on the Xbox 360. Who would have thought so many Linux dorks would be willing to buy into our wall-to-wall DRM and platform lockin?

-- Bill Gates

(This is a private email, right? IE is doing something strange....)

well I'll be... (-1, Redundant)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731503)

that Richard sure is a Dick!

(badum-ching)

Re:well I'll be... (1)

JamesTRexx (675890) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732355)

You'll be that Dick, I mean, that Richard? I wouldn't..

:-P

This should be interesting! (5, Funny)

Odiumjunkie (926074) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731505)

This will be a great opportunity to get a rare insight in to the kind of proprietary, highly advanced digital fingerprinting schemes they're using at Redmond! Digital certificates, binary padding - who can say?!

The software preview was posted on the site by a user named 'Richard' soon after it was released to a small group of testers. In an e-mail to MVPs whose names contain 'Richard,'....


Oh...

Why Richard? (5, Interesting)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731507)

And I wonder why Kevin Beares thinks it was a Richard who leaked this. If I was doing such a thing, especially when there are only a small group of testers, I would use a pseudonym. Richard is as good a one as any other.

Also, I wonder how he thinks he can work it out? Contacting the ISPs perhaps? (From the article it seems as if the webmaster for the site where the leak was posted will help.) I'm sure all the testers will deny being "Richard" of leaking fame.

This whole thing seems like a big beat up.

Re:Why Richard? (1)

multisync (218450) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732313)

Also, I wonder how he thinks he can work it out? Contacting the ISPs perhaps?


Oh! I know! Call the ISPs pretending to be the testers and ask "did I post a CTP of Windows Home Server to The Hotfix.net blog?"

Why didn't the leaker use the username "Bill"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731511)

That has to be the most rediculous thing I've ever heard - it sounds like a thing a pre-school teacher would do; find some graffiti with a name on it and punish those with the same name. Imagine if the leaker used the name "Bill", would they have cut of all communication to the boss?

WHS (0, Troll)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731521)

Want a Windows Home Server? Load a copy of Linux/*BSD and Samba [samba.org] on to a spare PC. There you go, all the power of a basic domain without all the costs associated with an M$ product.

Re:WHS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731563)

This post smacks of complete ignorance. All the poster sees is the name of the product and assumes he knows all its capabilities.

Re:WHS (1, Insightful)

404 Clue Not Found (763556) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731699)

But who needs facts when you've got biases? The Slashmob dictates its own reality.

Re:WHS (1)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731829)

God damn it, I wish I still had my mod points. Next time, try posting when I still have them. Ok?

Re:WHS (1)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731925)

At the 2007 Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas this week (see my special report), Microsoft previewed its long-awaited Windows Home Server (WHS) product, a Windows Server 2003 with Service Pack 2 (SP2)-based server for consumers that dispenses with the complexities of most Windows Server versions and provides the core storage, sharing, and remote access functionality that digital media and home networking enthusiasts require. - Paul Thurrott http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/whs_preview.as p [winsupersite.com]

I'm sorry, but this OS sounds like a stinking pile of M$ Bob manure. Anyone with an inkling of familiarity with *nix already has this and more for a lot less. Heck it's so bad, I think Microsoft would be better off not exposing it's customer base to this market. The Home server is so easily replaced by a more powerful/flexible Linux implementation that Microsoft is effectively putting a stock '71 pinto in the Indy 500, it's sad, nothing else.

Re:WHS (1)

multisync (218450) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732361)

Gosh darn it, I wish I had mod points. Next time, try posting when I still have them, m'kay???

Re:WHS (1)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731761)

Maybe, I mean why would Microsoft create a Windows Home Server other than to compete with *nix/BSD where it's been done for years.


Repeat after me "Microsoft is not an innovator", again "Microsoft is not an innovator", one more time "Microsoft is not an innovator", do you get it yet?

Re:WHS (1)

NeverVotedBush (1041088) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731791)

Tell us what is wrong with his assumptions - Almost any Linux distribution has web server, mail server, firewall, spam filter, database serving, storage serving, print serving, you name it right out of the box. Please tell us what features Microsoft Home Server has that are not available for free and already in widespread use on the net under Linux.

Come on. You know you can't.

Re:WHS (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731913)

Well for starters:

1) Single instance store automatic differential backups. none of this shitty "dd" stuff; this compares each 4 kb block with a database on the server and only uploads ones that have a different hash. Very efficient and very nice.

2) Automatic warnings if any Windows machine on your network has AV or AntiSpyware turned off.

3) Automatic warnings if any of your machines has not backed up in the last several days. (and the software will wake machines from sleep mode to do the backup and then have them go back to sleep).

4) Ability to serve as a remote control gateway to your computers (where you go to the website of the server and can initiate secured remote desktop sessions to your other machines from there with only 2 ports forwarded to the server and none to any other machines.

But then again, I have actually tried the beta instead of just making shit up about it.

Re:WHS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731937)

Richard is that you again?

Re:WHS (2, Insightful)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732139)

  1. dd? try mondo or amanda, or even just hack something together with cron and tar.
  2. Sounds really annoying, also what if you use AVG or other 3rd party software?
  3. Again extremely annoying, worthless even. If we're using automated backups and they don't run because the system is off, then there's probably nothing to backup.
  4. This is new?

I'm sorry this does sound kinda cool for a Windows environment, but in the Linux world, WHS looks a day late and a dollar short.

Re:WHS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18732281)

So cron and tar now have single instancing across various computers? Oh, I thought not.

If they have 3rd party software that works fine too. Mine has McAfee (came with it) and that AV and Anti Spy works fine with it. So do all the others.

What if they don't run because the machine has a dependency issue or some other software broke the backup?

No, but it is very nice and it is a lot easier to setup for a real home user than most anything else.

Re:WHS (3, Insightful)

rohan972 (880586) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732275)

1) Single instance store automatic differential backups. none of this shitty "dd" stuff; this compares each 4 kb block with a database on the server and only uploads ones that have a different hash. Very efficient and very nice.

Sort of like rsync, bacula, amanda?

2) Automatic warnings if any Windows machine on your network has AV or AntiSpyware turned off.

With *nix, we have essential services started automatically at boot time. I'd be interested to know if it checks for Microsoft AV and antispyware software only, or any companies. If MS only, possible antitrust violation here.

3) Automatic warnings if any of your machines has not backed up in the last several days. (and the software will wake machines from sleep mode to do the backup and then have them go back to sleep).

Easily set up on Linux, I presume *BSD also.

4) Ability to serve as a remote control gateway to your computers (where you go to the website of the server and can initiate secured remote desktop sessions to your other machines from there with only 2 ports forwarded to the server and none to any other machines.

Remember the GP's request? "Please tell us what features Microsoft Home Server has that are not available for free and already in widespread use on the net under Linux." Why would you even bring up remote desktop sessions?

But then again, I have actually tried the beta instead of just making shit up about it.

Yes, but you didn't mention any useful features not available in linux/*BSD for free. 1,3 and 4 are available and included in mainstream linux disto's (again, I presume *BSD also, but easily obtainable if not). Without further info, 2 seems possibly aimed at increasing Microsoft marketshare of security products, despite (so I hear) being among the worst available, and even if it isn't, it doesn't seem very useful. Set up your AV etc to run as desired.

Re:WHS (1)

gallwapa (909389) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731943)

How about the ability to install most programs without having to wait 8 minutes for the source to compile (3.2ghz xeon w/ 2 gigs of RAM took that long to compile mencoder last night) :-)

Not that I'm defending it - I use SLES for my server here anyway

Re:WHS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731981)

Try using a modern package management system, such as APT (in Debian and Ubuntu). You can find mencoder and related software in unofficial repositories like http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ [debian-multimedia.org] . Install stuff as quickly as you can download it.

Re:WHS (1)

pyrbrand (939860) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731957)

Fine: OOB experience. The purpose of WHS is not to be a personal web/email/etc server. It's to be a plug and play device on your home network which will take care of automated backups shared media storage and streaming, hot swappable storage that maps to a redundant shared storage pool along with free minimal-setup web access to this stuff remotely. Basically, this is for your mom, the user who "doesn't know what they're doing," not the uber geek who wants an ssh tunnel to their home proxy server so work doesn't know they've been chatting online all day and shopping for golf clubs. It's also meant as a platform for "always on" services such as home automation etc that wouldn't otherwise be reliable in the hands of a novice user who doesn't understand that it won't work when it's turned off. It actually looks pretty cool, if for no other reason than the fact that the storage is easily expandible with the system on. Because of the redundant hot-swappable storage, you can just pull out your smallest drive and pop in a bigger one when you run out of space - while the machine is on.

Re:WHS (1)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731999)

If I bought this for my mom, it would be years before she would loan me money again and that's just not something I'm prepared to do. And if you think she'd buy it on her own, well you don't know my mom. :)

Re:WHS (1)

pyrbrand (939860) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732183)

Fine, maybe not your mom, but there certainly is a class of people who have increasing amounts of media - family photos, music collections, home videos stored across their various machines (their laptop, the old family computer, work etc) who would see the benefit of having this all in one place that they could get at from anywhere.

People like this want the equivalent of a digital wallet where they can show off pictures of the kids at work or at parents. It's that kind of person, along with the consumer electronics geek (the kind who buys media center extenders) who seems to be the target market.

Re:WHS (1)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732295)

You mean technophile CEOs in love with M$ that will have the IT guys come out their house to have this installed, them and fanbois that are sick of being PWND1! by Linux hackers. I can't wrap my head around this being much more than competition for Linux in the hobbyist market or some crapola frontpage for networks.

Re:WHS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18732077)

It's to be a plug and play device on your home network which will take care of automated backups shared media storage and streaming...
Basically, this is for your mom, the user who "doesn't know what they're doing,"

Right....

In other words, there is no target market.

Re:WHS (1)

figleaf (672550) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732019)

Read up on the Reviewers Guide document that comes with the beta if you are so interested.
I don't think people will be foolish enough to break their NDAs on /.

Re:WHS (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731997)

Want a Windows Home Server? Load a copy of Linux/*BSD and Samba on to a spare PC. There you go, all the power of a basic domain without all the costs associated with an M$ product.

WHS:

Intended for users who have never seen or touched a server OS.
Redundant storage and hot pluggable drives for those for whom RAID is an insect spray can.
To add storage just slip in another drive and you are good to go.
Automated backups for every system on the net. Recover older versions of files. Single instance storage
Remote access and administration. Remote control over the web --- again, intended for users who have no experience in any of this.

Re:WHS (4, Interesting)

mikelieman (35628) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732169)

"Intended for users who have never seen or touched a server OS."

Yeah, that's the supposed Idea. I remember when they pitched that line for NT, too.

"Redundant storage and hot pluggable drives for those for whom RAID is an insect spray can."

If you don't know what RAID is, why would you bother specing a home-pc with hot swappable drives?

"To add storage just slip in another drive and you are good to go."

Yeah, assuming you got a server chassis with hot swappable drives. Which, by definition, the end-user this is targeted at doesn't.

"Automated backups for every system on the net. Recover older versions of files. Single instance storage"

Yeah, that's a good pitch, too. So far? Vapor-ware!

"Remote access and administration. Remote control over the web --- again, intended for users who have no experience in any of this."

Oh, there's a security hole just waiting for a portscan to come along!

This is aimed at Fanbois who just don't have the brains to make the leap to Ubuntu or Fedora.

IOW, A cute toy.

Re:WHS (2, Informative)

Technician (215283) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732235)

Want a Windows Home Server? Load a copy of Linux/*BSD and Samba on to a spare PC.

Want to save some power, desk space, and money on hardware?

http://www.simpletech.com/commercial/simpleshare/ [simpletech.com]

Here is a Linux package without the bulk and power requirements of a PC. The wall wart to power it is rated at 36 Watts max. It provides disk encryption, user based or share based access control, SMB and nfs. With the addition of external USB drives it provides RAID mirroring and striping. If you don't use RAID, it can simply expand using external USB drives. If you are not using both USB ports for drives, it can be used as a USB printserver.

For the ultimate geek, the firmware is hackable. You can add telenet for example. No warranty for making a brick however.

Units other than the 160 Gig model have a 3 year warranty. (I've used it. I mis-configured the software by enabling user based rights and share password based rights (a no-no that is not documented) and they recovered it under warranty.

Drive spin-down works except under version 1.07 of the firmware where drive health monitoring keeps it awake.

Who's the Dick... (-1, Redundant)

Threni (635302) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731567)

...that Bill's gonna flip?

Imagine that... (1)

coastin (780654) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731687)

"He said that Microsoft has "spies" in the forums on the Hotfix.net in an attempt to find out who is leaking software previews on his site. Microsoft also asked him to provide the names of who is leaking Microsoft files to his site, but he said he declined to do so."

Imagine that, MS spying on forums and trying to find leakers. They may want to put a call into the White House about the whole spy thing to get some help.

What Idiot Would Use His Real Name? (-1, Troll)

NeverVotedBush (1041088) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731691)

What idiot posts a leak and used his/her real name? And how stupid is Microsoft for punishing everyone named Richard when it could have been a Joe, Mary, Ted, or whoever that actually did the posting?

Maybe there is no "Anonymous Coward" option.

Microsoft is such a stupid company. (Well, stupid in how they treat people - like their customers - not in how they gouge for money.) I enjoy every news story about this or that company/country switching to Linux. And I love how Linux is a real challenge to Microsoft. And I hope Linux buries Microsoft.

Don't think it can happen? How many people said Linux would never be user friendly or have a decent GUI interface? It's happened and it's now. And you can also run many of the considered "essential" Microsoft apps in Linux without a bit of Windows thanks to apps like Crossover Office. About the only thing Linux is missing is really good support for the Windows-based games. Give that time too.

Microsoft is a sinking ship. Slowly, but the leaks are there and the pumps are failing.

Re:What Idiot Would Use His Real Name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18732151)

Yeah. I like to troll on Saturday mornings, too.

Alright (0, Redundant)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731707)

Alright, who's the Dick who did this?!?

Re:Alright (1)

pedalman (958492) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732283)

M$ had better be careful. This "Dick" may have a shotgun and have the last name of "Cheney"

Next time try 'Bill' (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731723)

The next time this guy decides to leak something under a false name I suggest he try 'Bill' instead of 'Richard'.

Bill

Oh good, another reason to not work for free (2, Insightful)

LouisJBouchard (316266) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731733)

OK, get me if I am wrong here but the testers were working for free, correct. If MS (or any other company for that matter, even Apple), does not want to pay for work, then they take their chances. If they want testers that will follow their rules, they should pay the testers then. Very simple concept.

Re:Oh good, another reason to not work for free (2, Interesting)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731877)

OK, get me if I am wrong here but the testers were working for free, correct. If MS (or any other company for that matter, even Apple), does not want to pay for work, then they take their chances. If they want testers that will follow their rules, they should pay the testers then. Very simple concept.

Oh, yeah, because we know that when you pay someone, they don't steal. If you say, "play nice", they will. If you had a little pink pony...what planet do you live on?

When a guy at work is making $80K and still rips off the company for office supplies, toner for his printer at home, and makes up receipts for his last business trip to cover the $40 in singles he used to tip a stripper in Tampa, you think this is going to work?

Go home. Just shut up and go home.

Re:Oh good, another reason to not work for free (1)

LouisJBouchard (316266) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732057)

OK

  1. If the company does not have enough internal control of its equipment, supplies, financial accounts, assets, etc. to prevent theft, then whose fault is it. I am fine with them going after the worker for the violation not only of work place rules but of law but if for every 1 worker they catch, 10 are getting away with the act then the problem may not be with the worker.

  2. An employee is under more control of a company than in independent contractor or someone working for free. I am sure the beta tester did sign a contract (of course, the legality of electronic signatures are still in question) but once they release something to the wild, they are at the mercy of who gets the item. They may have legal recourse but it is alot harder to enforce then on an employee.

  3. Finally, if you are getting free people, you have to question why they would do something for free. I am sure there are a group of people who do like MS products and are willing to test the new ones because they are getting something back. The same of course goes for people who give up work for OSS projects. However, you will have some people who have a different reward in mind.

I do understand that there are people that break the rules but a company should have processes in place to deal with that (at least any company that actually wants to make money)and when it comes to getting people to follow the rules, employees are better than indies.

Re:Oh good, another reason to not work for free (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732131)

If MS (or any other company for that matter, even Apple), does not want to pay for work, then they take their chances. If they want testers that will follow their rules, they should pay the testers then. Very simple concept.

here's an even simpler concept worth grasping: if you can't be trusted to respect the commitments you make you won't find a welcome among the volunteers who contribute to open source.

Re:Oh good, another reason to not work for free (1)

I'm Don Giovanni (598558) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732359)

Wait, let me get this straight.
If I make a deal with you to test an internal build of a software package, under certain terms (e.g. NDA, not distributint the package to others etc), and you agree to those terms, and then go on to violate those terms, then it's MY FAULT for not paying you? Wow. Just wow.

Jeez get A Clue! (5, Funny)

hydertech (122031) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731775)

Could it be Richard Stallman in the conservatory with the wrench?

Re:Jeez get A Clue! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18732135)

Would Richard Stallman know what to do with a wench?

Oh, wait...

Which one of you Bills? (4, Funny)

matt me (850665) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731777)

Which one of you Bills is abusing your monopoly?

Hacked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731781)

Did anyone stop to think that one of the "MVPs" "home machine" was hacked and someone else had full control over the contents of the machine when this software was downloaded, or that someone just left a share open on there PC at work and someone else copied it? I mean come on, Microsoft people are not known to be the most secure people in the world...

It just occurred to me (1, Flamebait)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731903)

Microsoft is being run by the Bush administration!

Re:It just occurred to me (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732245)

Shouldn't that be a "in soviet America" joke?

Inside job? (5, Interesting)

Eudial (590661) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731919)

Did they ever stop to consider the fact that besides these testers, undoubtedly lots of people on the inside will have had access to the leaked version?

Inside job? I seriously doubt it. (1)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732043)

likely it would have been a specific build for the testers only that was leaked.

Insiders doing it would probably have access to a great many test builds, not just the one sent to the externals. However insiders would also have fabulously well paid jobs and severe contractual penalties for doing something this stupid. Not the kind of people likely to risk all for a leaked test build.

Besides, what would be the career consequences for someone being denounced by Microsoft for doing a thing like that? The closed source OS world, Microsoft in particular, are not forgiving of such things. Never working in the field again would spring to mind.

I'd go for someone being over confident about security and letting another person steal it by neglect, rather than intentionally.

If by some bizarre chance is was deliberate, then they're so stupid they need to be culled from the industry anyway.

Leaky MS software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18731951)

But doesn't all MS software leak?

(Thank you, I'll be here all week)

Are they sure (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731959)

Are they absolutely certain that the guy's name actually is Richard and he didn't just make up the name to throw MS off the scent?

Torrent? (2, Interesting)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 7 years ago | (#18731993)

Anyone have a torrent of this so called leak?

Not really news (5, Funny)

Kamineko (851857) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732045)

"Dick leaks, causes embarassment."

That's not really front page news now, is it?

Re:Not really news (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732301)

I agree. In fact, what MS's Dick leaks is pretty much no different in value from what all our Dicks leak. This is most definitely not news.

They are on the right track to catching him... (1)

kbox (980541) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732105)

... because we all know that everyone uses thier real name when online.. Especially when revealing company secrets.

Borrow a scene from Spartacus... (4, Funny)

mh101 (620659) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732155)

Wouldn't it be funny if all of them contacted MS, claiming to be this Richard?

Microsoft involve with piping? (1)

sebol (112743) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732191)

Microsoft Pressures Testers After Software Leak
When I first saw the topic, I've imagined that microsoft is involved with piping at oil industry, where "pressure test" is a procedure to find the leakage.

Why bother? (4, Insightful)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732217)

I hate to break it to you, MS, but the higher-end linksys routers (for about $100) now have a usb port where I can stick a hard drive and share it with all the network even if I'm not real computer literate. Likewise, the airport extreme from apple does the same.

I'm not sure what all your "home server" does, but coming from you it probably uses far more hardware than most people want to buy for the purpose and it probably locks me into using one of your buggy, insecure operating systems to access it. Put another way, you're going to have a tough time convincing people who want to have a hard drive shared on the network (probably 99.99% of all people who would want a "server" in the house) to go with your buggy crap rather than the linksys router.

I might be wrong, and laugh at me in 10 years if I am, but I really think you guys are getting in a huff because someone leaked your latest "Microsoft Bob" to the world.

By the way, the people who downloaded it probably didn't do so to use it; it was probably most hackers getting their paws on it to figure out how to break into it.

So lucky for Microsoft (1)

ribuck (943217) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732227)

So lucky for Microsoft that the leak wasn't posted by somebody with username "Bill".

Meh (5, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 7 years ago | (#18732287)

For right now, you have no access to the beta until I can find the Richard who posted the WHS (Windows Home Server) CTP on this site.... I will work with the Connect Admin team to determine which one of you is the real culprit of this leak.'

      It's great to know that a corporation always has plenty of funds for a witch-hunt even if product security is sacrificed due to "budget constraints"...

Why is this posted to "Your Rights Online"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18732401)

I wasn't aware it was my right to leak software that I had signed an NDA not to leak. Thanks for clarifying, Slashdot!
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