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Canadian DMCA Coming This Spring

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the riding-the-band-wagon dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The Canadian government is reportedly ready to introduce copyright reform legislation this spring, provided that no election is called. The new bill would move Canada far closer to the U.S. on copyright, with DMCA-style anti-circumvention legislation that prohibits circumvention of DRM systems and bans software and mod chips that can be used to circumvent such systems."

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the answer is clear... (3, Informative)

feepcreature (623518) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754537)

...call an election!

Re:the answer is clear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754603)

...please! please! please! ...

Of course, if we do and the (neo)Conservatives win a majority, we'll have just stamped our own tour-bus-ticket-to-hell...

-AC

Maybe we should just hang the politicians who (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754743)

suggest this sort of thing for treason for being beholden to interest groups instead of serving the people.

Americans should also have a few hangings too. Politicians the world over have gotten too comfortable in their own skin and are willing to forsake their responsibilities because the worst they expect is to be not elected again - boohoo - with a fat pension to boot. Only the ones that have a healthy fear of the people would respect the people's power.

It should be their duty, actually, seeing as how they send/force all the crappy ideas up here to us.

Re:Maybe we should just hang the politicians who (1)

Caffeinate (1031648) | more than 7 years ago | (#18756675)

I presume you just watched V For Vendetta [imdb.com] ?

Re:the answer is clear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755137)

You're fooling yourself if you don't think that the Canadian Liberal party (had to disambiguate from the American political slur of the same name) wouldn't give you the exact same bill if they were HRM's ruling party. All of these scumbag lawyer plutocrats are in bed with their lawyer lobbyist friends; the scumbags in Washington, D.C. just got a head start and their tactics are now starting to migrate North.

Re:the answer is clear... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755263)

The trouble with calling an election is that as much as people want the conservatives out of power, we're also comfortable with the minority government, because they simply can't actually follow up on their platform, or do anything rash, as the opposition will, in that event, call a vote of non-confidence, thus toppling the minority government, and send us back to the polls.

However, the opposition isn't ready to go back to the polls, as the liberal party is still in shambles, and Stephane Dion has yet to prove his competence as a leader. The Bloc Quebecois can't hope to pull of a repeat of 1994 and ed up as the official opposition, unless there is a clear majority; given the state of the liberals, it would have to be a conservative majority, and nobody (save the prairies, Canada's equivalent of the bible belt) wants to see that. The NDP is still between 4 and 8 years away from realistically making the elections look like a three-horse race, and the Greens/Communists/Marxist-Leninists, well, they barely even count as political parties.

Politics is a delicate situation in Canada. Its not as easy as voting no-confidence, not as long as there is still the threat of the conservatives goes in as a majority. We're still rather sore from Mulroney's stint as prime minister. And frankly, many are waiting for Harper to fuck up like Mulroney did, before toppling the government. (For those not familiar with Canadian politics, the conservative party imploded after Mulroney's time in power, falling from a clear majority to, if I recall correctly, not even managing a double-digit seat-count in the next elections).

Frankly the DMCA doesn't scare me even remotely as much as the thought of a conservative majority does, considering the later not only sold out our lumber industry, send troops to Afghanistan against the people's wishes, seeks to abolish our beloved gun registry, and seeks to semi-privatize our beloved public healthcare, but to add insult to injury has so much as stated that they'd even so much as consider repealing the charter of rights, to force through a ban on same-sex marriage, if they had to... Given the choice between dealing with the DMCA, or giving up my civil rights, I'll take the DMCA, thanks. And I kindly ask that anyone who places greater importance on copyright than on civil rights, to kindly get the fuck out of my country. Thanks.

Screw calling an election, fear of the DMCA doesn't justify the risk of 4 years of aconservative majority. Petition the Governor General to veto the bill if it goes through senate, instead. Its a little known fact of Canadian politics: Provincial PM -> Lieutenant Governor General -> Prime Minister -> Senate -> Prime Minister -> Governor General -> Prime Minister -> Queen Elizabeth II.

(Yeah, its a tad complicated: our senate is an appointed one, although it can reject bills the government can pass, the prime minister can simply flood the senate with new senators to force a majority vote (see Mulroney's stunt with passing the GST), but the governor General, being the representative of the Queen, can overrule the senate, but the Prime mister can challenge the GG's ruling, calling for his or her resignation, and finally in such as situation, the true head of state, the queen, can either side with the Prime Minister, or the governor general. Although there is precedent for the lieutenant governor general to overrule the provincial PM, and there is precedent for the Governor General to overrule the ruling Prime Minister, as far as I can tell, there has never bee a case in which the queen has been invoked directly, though our constitution does grant the ruling monarch, as constitutional head of state, the final word in all political affairs).

Re:the answer is clear... (1)

shaitand (626655) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755533)

'seeks to abolish our beloved gun registry'

Opposing registries (of guns or anything else) doesn't really mesh with claiming civil rights advocacy.

Re:the answer is clear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18758211)

True. It was a colossal waste of money. We already have decent gun control in our country. The gun registry was ridiculous. If I want to knock someone off would I use a registered gun?

Re:the answer is clear... (1)

Trails (629752) | more than 7 years ago | (#18756383)

the conservative party imploded after Mulroney's time in power, falling from a clear majority to, if I recall correctly, not even managing a double-digit seat-count in the next elections
They ended up with 2 seats. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_conservat ive#History [wikipedia.org]

Re:the answer is clear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18757667)

Fucking liberal scum... must be from ontario or quebec.

The sooner Alberta can separate and quit paying for the priveledge of being screwed by ottawa the better.

Re:the answer is clear... (2, Informative)

grimr (88927) | more than 7 years ago | (#18758653)

"beloved gun registry" Huh? All of the people I know think it's a waste of money. 2 billion dollars to make people 'feel' safe? First of all, the criminals won't register their guns. And second, I just read in todays paper which quoted a cop saying the police were told not to use it as it contained stale data. Beloved my ass...

Re:the answer is clear... (1)

mrmcwn (566272) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755737)

I think ACTRA/UDA/SOCAN and the various other artists' unions are slightly more entrenched (and vocal) in the political machine than the people who actually consume the media. Not to mention the big software manufacturers with big luxury boxes at the Corel Centre (or whatever it is called these days) in Ottawa. The chances of this passing increase with every round the Sens progress in the playoffs...

Someone should point out how much the feds collect in GST on the media levy (a tax on a tax...beautiful) to help them make their decision.

Re:the answer is clear... (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#18756559)

and if i remember correctly there has been a canadian artist union against the dmca for years. weather its these union's official policies, or the high profile artists from this union, i cant remember, but they made a huge stink about C60 in the main strem press the last time it came up.

Re:the answer is clear... (1)

SoSueMe (263478) | more than 7 years ago | (#18757649)

Corel Centre (or whatever it is called these days)

It's now called "Scotia Bank Place" [scotiabankplace.com] .
Mmmmm, nice warm fuzzy feeling there.

Re:the answer is clear... (1)

DrMindWarp (663427) | more than 7 years ago | (#18757845)


Ever hear of the TRIPS agreement? Every country that signed it is obliged to implement DMCA-type legislation. That was in 1996 and it's a done deal folks. If you want to fix it, you'll have to get your country to pull out of the agreement.

I am skeptical (5, Interesting)

5, Troll (919133) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754545)

Two things: In the current political climate, such a bill would not get much traction as there is a minority government who desperately wants to become a majority next election. Bills such as the one described don't get you votes as it doesn't benefit the majority of voters.

Second, it's my understanding that the current state of copyright in Canada is that it is not the form in which a copyrighted work is held (ie DVD, CD, mp3, avi), but the manner in which it is used. So, you can have a zillion mp3s for personal use, but you cannot use them in a publication, or broadcast them without the express consent of the copyright holders.

In my mind, it would be very hard to change current law in such a way so as to preserve the status quo, such as libraries.

Plus, they already tax removable media to compensate the rights-holders of all major video and audio media(while screwing independants... which is another topic for another day), so you'd think that they would either have to remove that levy, or all people to continue doing what they are doing.

If the Pigopolists don't get their way this time.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754731)

...you can bet your britches they'll keep coming back until they do.

pay double (2, Interesting)

chris_7d0h (216090) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754811)

Well, judging by other countries it's likely they will retain the levy and still make it illegal to copy stuff.
Taking Sweden as an example, there they tax all storage media (not just "removable" media) with this levy. Actually it's not really a tax (taxing illegal activities is illegal itself), but a state protected fee which a private organization is allowed to collect and without insight into how, distribute parts of the sum to a secret list of copyright holders.

So I guess you have to look forward to being coerced by your government into paying levies (which should exempt you by covering any IP loss right?) and then be put behind bars. It's a hypocrisy, but hey at least it isn't the first in the law book.

Re:pay double (5, Interesting)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754995)

Taking Sweden as an example, there they tax all storage media (not just "removable" media) with this levy. Actually it's not really a tax (taxing illegal activities is illegal itself), but a state protected fee which a private organization is allowed to collect and without insight into how, distribute parts of the sum to a secret list of copyright holders.

canada has a similar law, although it only applies to removable media such as blank cds. now, normally i like the levy, since it helps keep the copyright rottweilers at bay, but consider this...

i'm in this rock band [telus.net] . we are, as one local journalist stated, "startlingly unsuccessful". so, we record and release a compact disc. it's a run of 500 and we sell, maybe, ten (thanks mom!) and lose a tonne of money. this is not an unusual scenario.

but the kicker is this: we pay the levy on the blank cd's we use for our release. this means that some major-label canadian artist (ms. levign perhaps) is actually making money off of my band's record while my band is losing money.

amazing stuff.

Re:pay double (4, Insightful)

gobbo (567674) | more than 7 years ago | (#18757689)

i'm in this rock band [telus.net] . we are, as one local journalist stated, "startlingly unsuccessful". so, we record and release a compact disc. it's a run of 500 and we sell, maybe, ten (thanks mom!) and lose a tonne of money. this is not an unusual scenario.
but the kicker is this: we pay the levy on the blank cd's we use for our release. this means that some major-label canadian artist (ms. levign perhaps) is actually making money off of my band's record while my band is losing money.

Well, all you have to do is join the American Federation of Musicians [afm.org] , then apply to the Canadian Private Copying Collective [cpcc.ca] for a zero-rating on the levy.

That should save you $105 on your purchase of 500 blanks (yes, $0.21 on ea.!!), and after the $60 application fee for the zero-rating and the $112.00 annual AFM dues plus the $115 initiation fee, you'll have saved -$182 ...oh.

I was archiving field recordings on blank media, and paying a levy. At some point, I just broke down and started downloading mp3's so that I didn't feel so ripped off.

Re:pay double (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 7 years ago | (#18759987)

Yep the Canadian music industry is just as ass-backwards as the RIAA, we just don't have as lawsuit-happy a country (yet). What's worse is that most of the "benefits" offered by the AFM are either overbooked or unavailable in most areas. You'll get greater "benefits" by buying a few rounds at the local indie club and chatting it up with the real talent, not the office-dwelling cocksuckers who ruin the industry.

Re:I am skeptical (1)

optimus2861 (760680) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754937)

Bills such as the one described don't get you votes as it doesn't benefit the majority of voters.

They also don't cost you votes because it's not an issue that's going to fire up the general voting public. Our next election is shaping up to be fought around Canada's mission to Afghanistan, and the environment. Health care will make its usual sound-and-fury, signifying-nothing appearance, Quebec will get talked about, law and order will get talked about, the Liberals will bray on about how "neo-conservative" and "Bush-like" the Conservatives are, the Conservatives will bring up past Liberal scandals, and the NDP will be saying "a pox on both their houses" -- copyright changes will be way, way down the list.

Re:I am skeptical (1)

starfishsystems (834319) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754991)

I'm glad to see these points being made early in the discussion. First, the existing legislation was formulated in consideration of fair use. It seems to me that those terms of reference have not materially changed. Unless this legislation is to be revoked, it will remain in force. Second, the existing media levy already compensates copyright holders. No doubt this legislation was not developed in a vacuum, but at the request of interested parties. In other words, the right to fair use of those copies has already been paid for.

As Michael Geist points out, if copyright reform is indeed being proposed by the Conservatives, it will not be received with acclaim but with public hostility, and rightly so.

Re:I am skeptical (1)

ubergamer1337 (912210) | more than 7 years ago | (#18759913)

Plus, they already tax removable media to compensate the rights-holders of all major video and audio media(while screwing independants... which is another topic for another day)
You must be new here!

Slash-olympics. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754567)

""The Canadian government is reportedly ready to introduce copyright reform legislation this spring, provided that no election is called. The new bill would move Canada far closer to the U.S. on copyright [CC] [MD] [GC], with DMCA-style anti-circumvention legislation that prohibits circumvention of DRM systems and bans software and mod chips that can be used to circumvent such systems.""

On your marks! Get set! Complain!

Re:Slash-olympics. (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755083)

more like

"On your marks! Get set! Mail letters!"

my MP and Harper are gonna be getting a sack or two of mail from me and the various people i know.

Re: Slash-olympics. (2, Insightful)

Dolda2000 (759023) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755191)

Are you implying that this is something which should not naturally be complained about unless one follows Slashdot groupthink?

Re: Slash-olympics. (1)

shaitand (626655) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755627)

'Are you implying that this is something which should not naturally be complained about unless one follows Slashdot groupthink?'

Hey, I'm first in line to complain but even I have to admit I have never heard of someone outside of Slashdot complaining about the DMCA.

Re: Slash-olympics. (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#18756385)

then youre living in the wrong areas, or not educating the people around you.

Re: Slash-olympics. (1)

shaitand (626655) | more than 7 years ago | (#18757231)

'then youre living in the wrong areas'

Maybe. I've lived in Central IL without a peep and now in Miami.

'or not educating the people around you'

I wouldn't really count the people I talk to about it. They are hearing it from me. I'm talking about the ignorant masses.

Re:Slash-olympics. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18757725)

So, does that software like a debugger would be banned? Good luck with that.

Not "coming" (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754571)


It's not "coming" as the summary suggests, it's only a bill being put forward.

Re:Not "coming" (1)

OECD (639690) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754843)

It's not "coming" as the summary suggests, it's only a bill being put forward.

It's still one step closer than it was. Yes, there's time to stop it before it arrives, but right now it is approaching.

Re:Not "coming" (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754981)

Oh please. It's not like this bill will inevitably become law if people don't speak up. Hell, given the current minority government in place, I think it exceedingly *un*likely that we'll see this bill get anywhere in parliament.

Godwin's Law Warning! (1)

SoSueMe (263478) | more than 7 years ago | (#18758189)

Why do I hear echoes of Neville Chamberlain in my head?
Really, I don't think that we're under a Nazi regime, I equate it to more of a fascist concept.
First, they tried to control the media, then they limited the speaking points of the individual ministers, then they limited the public demonstration of respect for our fallen soldiers (no lowering the flags for casualties in Afghanistan).
Unca George must be SO proud!
Except for the little thing about the trains running on time, the checklist is becoming much pretty complete.

Re:Not "coming" (1)

Butisol (994224) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754849)

Even Anonymous Cowards are getting sick of the misleading/alarmist article summaries on /. Seriously. Accurate headlines and summaries PLEASE. ...As long as I can still get my free mp3s and pr0n...

indeed, haven they been trying for 6 years? (3, Informative)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754857)

for the past 6 years ive been hearing nothing but rumors about how certain elements (puppets) in the canadian government have been trying to "harmonize" canadian copyright with the US, and every time theyve tried they've met with ever stiffening resistance from very vocal and powerful anti-dmca groups, from a powerful coalition of canadian artists to the canadian papers and the public at large.

I expect to see such a bill die a public, horrible death. If it does not, however, i'll look forward to the business many developing nations will see as the modchip makers and circumvention tool developers jump ship.

ATTN: SWITCHEURS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754983)

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If you're overwhelmed by IB's multi-paletted interface, GTFO.
If you've ever typed a backslash outside of ASCII art, GTFO.
If you can't intuit your way from HyperTalk to AppleScript, GTFO.

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Re:Not "coming" (1)

Evilest Doer (969227) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755047)

It's not "coming" as the summary suggests, it's only a bill being put forward.
So, basically, it is only being stroked. Full orgasm is not yet forthcoming.

Re:Not "coming" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755103)

Coming? It's not even breathing hard! (mandatory Real Genius quote)

Re:Not "coming" (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 7 years ago | (#18758919)

It's not "coming" as the summary suggests, it's only a bill being put forward.

Just like in a horror movie: "Death is coming". Obviously, it's not certain you will be killed when he reaches your house, but Micheal Myers/Jason/whomever is approaching.

Finally (4, Funny)

Shky (703024) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754585)

No wonder the rest of the world thinks we're a bunch of backwards hicks up here in our igloos. We don't even have the DMCA yet. This should do a lot to remedy our image. Finally some forward thinking going on up here!

Re:Finally (1)

blueadept1 (844312) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755031)

Hey Bill, can I borrow your sled team to get to the barber's within the next fortnight? My beard is getting mighty long.

Good luck with that (3, Funny)

jasonmicron (807603) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754591)

I bet it will work as amazingly as it has in the US!

revolt in the streets (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754613)

bullshit. i won't pay one more dollar in income tax. i will assainate my mayor. i will attack civil servants with baseball bats. i will urinate in mailboxes. i will refuse to follow any law in canada.

Re:revolt in the streets (4, Funny)

CogDissident (951207) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754657)

Just remember a valuable lesson from our dear departed Mr John Candy, all vulgar spraypaint must be in BOTH english and french.

Re:revolt in the streets (1)

fishybell (516991) | more than 7 years ago | (#18756183)

Boomer: The capital Toronto.

Mountie: No, the capital of Canada is Ottawa.

Boomer: Yeah, right. Do we look that stupid? Ottawa!

Re:revolt in the streets (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754737)

Better yet, do what I did and move the hell out. Do you have any idea what the weather is like in Costa Rica and Panama this time of year? :P

Re:revolt in the streets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754879)

Too hot?

Re:revolt in the streets (1)

Butisol (994224) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755009)

It's a very tempting idea on the grounds of climate alone. I for one would gladly leave Soviet Canuckistan and welcome my new drug lord leaders.

Re:revolt in the streets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755621)

Since Canadians already pay a premium on blank recordable media, that's good enough IMHO, and I hope you'll dump the tea into the harbor and tell the RIAA to go fuck themselves.

Re:revolt in the streets (1)

Trails (629752) | more than 7 years ago | (#18756663)

The US doesn't export tea. Maybe we should dump 24 DVD's into the harbour? I got your DMCA right here, Jack Bauer!!!

and what use is that? (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#18757405)

seriously, if you like to experience your culture enough to care about it being free from corporate restrictions, why on earth would you move to a place with completely foreign languages and customs?

that throws out the baby with the bathwater a lot worse than sticking around and adopting civil disobedience.

how do you retain exposure to your culture when everyone spews spanish!

Kneejerk reaction (IMO) (5, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754645)

This is just a kneejerk reaction to the rumor about Internet radio stations moving to Canada since the CRB decided to price them out of business.

If I were Canadian, I wouldn't worry so much about DMCA as I would the US pushing hard enough that the Canadian government rolls over on measures that protect their own music and film industries. Hollywood has been losing business to Canadian industry for years now.

The DMCA would just be one measure to strong arm the entire continent into a position of propping up the **AA at any cost to the consumer.

Offtopic, I know, but... (1)

OldeTimeGeek (725417) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755433)

Hollywood has been losing business to Canadian industry for years now.

No, Hollywood (and its stockholders) has been doing quite well (or not quite so badly, depending on your point of view and your tax status), thanks largely to lower filming costs in Canada. It's the people who used to work on films when they were done in the US that have lost out on the deal...

Re:Kneejerk reaction (IMO) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755473)

Hollywood has been loosing business to the lowest bidders over the last few years, and that means Mexico and the former Eastern Bloc countries. We get our share of films that are considered non-bankable for their projected budgets, 95 percent of which are crap anyway and rarely successful.

And if Canada has been getting lots of Hollywoods productions, I'd have a lot less time to read Slashdot!

Re:Kneejerk reaction (IMO) (1)

Caffeinate (1031648) | more than 7 years ago | (#18757505)

Not only is the Canadian film industry doing well, Stargate is filmed here!

Just in case you couldn't tell - the first two seasons consist entirely of them going to planets that look like backwoods BC.

Re:Kneejerk reaction (IMO) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18759585)

Indeed! That petty anti-Americanism that so many Canadians confuse with national pride might finally be put to some good use!

Where will we threaten to move to now? (1)

Lethyos (408045) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754667)

Will we head for the Pole? Or do we keep going “up” into Russia? My mind boggles at all the Slashdot clichés that might come of this.

Re:Where will we threaten to move to now? (1)

Markus_UW (892365) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754897)

In Soviet Russia, you screw the RIAA.

Re:Where will we threaten to move to now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755397)

> Will we head for the Pole? Or do we keep going "up" into Russia? My mind boggles at all the Slashdot clichés that might come of this.

Apparently, Norway [slashdot.org] is the go-to place when Canada fails.

Pity. I recently got a chance to move back to Canada. Having to deal with a Canadianized DMCA isn't a deal-breaker, but it does take a bit of the shine off the deal. Oh well, much like when I left - if Canada can't make itself attractive to IT professionals, we'll just pay our taxes elsewhere.

rip (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754675)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/6561733.s tm [bbc.co.uk]

Nikolas Macko was in class at Virginia Tech when a gunman entered the building and started shooting. He described the experience to the BBC News website.

I was in class in Norris Hall at around 0940 when we heard a series of loud bangs coming from the hallway.

The sound did not register immediately, even though it was startlingly loud.

When it started again seconds later, the girl sitting by the door decided to close the door.

She peeked out into the hallway, and saw the shooter, so she immediately closed the door shut.

Three other students moved a table that was in front of the room and barricaded it against the door.

A few seconds later, the shooter tried to open the door, but my classmates kept it well shut, as they held the table against it.

The shooter shot the door twice at chest level, which resulted in two holes in the door, one of which hit the podium in the front of the classroom and the other continued out the window.

'Seriously hurt'

At this point he reloaded, shot the door again - this shot did not penetrate - and moved on to the other classrooms.

Scene at Virginia Tech
As we heard the police arrive outside, the shooting continued, and the officers eventually came through the building

More eyewitness accounts
Thankfully, nobody in our room was hurt. At this point, I was already on the phone with the emergency dispatcher, indicating to them that there was a shooting on the second floor of Norris Hall.

The shooting continued for several minutes, until the police arrived, and the shooter must have shot at least 80-100 rounds.

As we heard the police arrive outside the building, the shooting continued, and the officers eventually came through the building.

Even though it seemed to take quite a long time, the timer on my phone seemed to indicate that the whole sequence of events was over in only 25 minutes.

At that point, we were escorted from the building by the police.

Clearly someone had been seriously hurt in the hallway not more than a few paces from our classroom.

I did not look in the adjoining classrooms, but those who did simply told me after that "it was sad".

Re:rip (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754861)

Well, at least we all know where the next National Rifle Association meeting will be held! "From my cold, dead hands!" etc.

Joomla -- Hah! That figures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754709)

The link to the site is bad... looks to be a joomla site - that figures.
A number of my clients have serious security problems witn Joomla. Does
anyone have a mirror? The site is already hosed.

Fantastic (1)

Wolvie MkM (661535) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754775)

Thank you Bev Oda! Like I needed another reason not to vote for the CPC...

Re:Fantastic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754851)

I think you should be thanking her political sponsors...
 
All of her probosals should come with a "Brought to you by the friendly gentlemen of the RIAA/MPAA" disclaimer.

Reply on previous version (4, Interesting)

Locklin (1074657) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754797)

I emailed my MP about the previous version of this bill, and this was his response:

Dear Mr. Locklin,

Thank you for your letter regarding Copyright Reform.

I supported C-60 I would do so again if a similar Bill is reintroduced in the House of Commons. Bill C-60 only made it to the First Reading stage and subsequently fell off the Orders for debate.

With any amendment that is put forth to a Government Bill, whether through the debate stage or committee stage, it must be balanced in such a way that it doesn't make the legislation appear to be too ambiguous. I as a Member of Parliament I would need to see the how Digital Rights Management (DRM) component of any new legislation would affect not only the industry but also the consumer and whether individual privacy rights would be affected?

There has yet to be any new Copyright legislation to come before the House of Commons in this session. I will note your concerns if it eventually does.

Sincerely,

Hon. Andrew Telegdi, P.C., M.P.
Kitchener-Waterloo

Re:Reply on previous version (1)

jeevesbond (1066726) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755005)

Nice one, I live in Kitchener/Waterloo too. Good to see the local MP is receptive. Also have a look at this comment on how to take action [slashdot.org] . Basically, letters are the best medium, and the best people to send them to are the 'critics' who will hopefully set the honourable Bev 'Corporate Sponsorship' Oda on fire.

Re:Reply on previous version (1)

Benlaron (1089157) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755241)

Any chance on posting the email you sent so us lazy^H^H^H^Hbusy folk can forward it off to our MPs?

Re:Reply on previous version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755265)

I mailed my MP (Sue Barnes, London West) a couple months ago. She wrote back promptly. I include her response for your edification:

Dear Mr. Anonymous Coward,

Thank you for your letter expressing your opinion regarding Bill C-60, An Act to amend the Copyright Act. It is important to gain public opinion on the important debates that influence the direction of our country, which is why I appreciate you taking the time to inform me of your views.

Let me assure you that I take all of your concerns very seriously. We liberals had expected the Conservative government would have tabled amendments to the current Copyright legislation last fall, which they did not. As the Official Opposition, we are hoping that the government move towards striking a fair balance between strengthening the rights for copyright holders and maintaining the rights of users and consumers.

Rest assured I will convey your concerns to colleagues, but should you wish to share you (sic) views in more detail, I suggest you contact Tina Keeper, Official Opposition Critic for Canadian Heritage. Her mailing address is as follows: Room 712 Confederation Building, House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6.

Once again, I would like to thank you for taking the time to convey your thoughts on this important issue.

Yours sincerely,

Honourable Sue Barnes, P.C., M.P.
London West

It's a little underwhelming, but it could be worse :P

Re:Reply on previous version (1)

jeevesbond (1066726) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755439)

Did you write to Tina Keeper as well? Now would be a good time to write to her about this. :)

Re:Reply on previous version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18758081)

This is completely off-topic -- but how did someone as functionally illiterate as Andrew Telegdi ever come to be elected to parliament?

Oh, I get it ... he's PC (think Stockwell Day).

Speaking of laws... (3, Insightful)

toriver (11308) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754815)

... what happened to charging the music industry's Big Four for cartel activities, or the movie industry over the DVD regions dividing the market into convenient zones (also cartel-like), despite WTO goals of free markets?

Oh, that's right. They paid off the politicans. Is the lobster to your taste, Mr. Hatch?

Re:Speaking of laws... (1)

isaac (2852) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754915)

Oh, that's right. They paid off the politicans. Is the lobster to your taste, Mr. Hatch?

Orrin Hatch isn't just some bought-off Senator - he's also a successful recording artist!

http://www.hatchmusic.com/ [hatchmusic.com]

So you see, Senator Hatch has a rather personal stake in copyright law. I mean, if his works weren't protected by civil and criminal law unto 70 years after his death, he'd have no incentive to create anything.

-Isaac

Re:Speaking of laws... (3, Funny)

Ajehals (947354) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755097)

Your post had me in fits of laughter until I realised I'd mis read it - I read

So you see, Senator Hatch has a rather personal stake in copyright law. I mean, if his works weren't protected by civil and criminal law unto 70 years after his death, he'd have no incentive to create anything.

as:

So you see, Senator Hatch has a rather personal stake in copyright law. I mean, if his works weren't protected by civil and criminal law unto 70 years after his death, he'd have no incentive in dying.

Odds are... (4, Insightful)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754825)

An election will be called within the next month or two, after that, it all depends on who gets into office, but I think it foolish to think that another other party in power would not be pressured by the various lobbies to do their bidding. And all political parties love the money that comes with lobbies.

Re:Odds are... (election could alter DCMA) (2, Informative)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754921)

An election will be called within the next month or two, after that, it all depends on who gets into office

A friend of mine who was the current Secretary of the 43rd District Democrats [43rddems.org] in Seattle has gone up there to help with the elections, so she at least thinks it's fairly certain.

But I'm not sure I agree with your statement on all political parties loving the money that comes with lobbies - IMHO this does not normally include either the NDP or the Green Party in Canada.

But what do I know, I used to be active in BC politics ...

Re:Odds are... (2, Insightful)

ubercam (1025540) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755589)

Regarding the money from the political lobbies, it would be maximum $5,000 each. The previous Liberal government passed a law preventing limitless campaign donations. Probably one of the smarter pieces of legislation in the past decade...

Re:Odds are... (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 7 years ago | (#18758679)

You mean in the last 30 years. René Lévesque passed this law in the 80s if I recall correctly.

Re:Odds are... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18758949)

Uh, no. Rene Levesque was provincial. The liberals passed it federally.

Canda! The 51st State! (1)

EntropyXP (956792) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754873)

Now that'd be a great state song. How many Canadians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

What's a light bulb, eh?

Kneejerk response for The Great White North (1)

Caffeinate (1031648) | more than 7 years ago | (#18757595)

I'm not sure, but not as many Americans as it takes to screw up an Iraq exit policy. (Zing!)

Michael Geist wrote an essay on this.... (4, Informative)

8127972 (73495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18754883)

.... topic and why it's a bad idea here:

http://www.caut.ca/en/bulletin/issues/2004_nov/com m_copyrightreform.asp [www.caut.ca]

Highly recommended reading for Canadians who wish to see why the House Of Commons should bury this idea today.

For those of you who don't know who Michael Geist is, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Geist [wikipedia.org] for more info.

Tag as usajr (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754957)

USA Jr. hard at work protecting copyrights.

GOOD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18754969)

I'm sick of the freeloading leeches that are constantly pirating stuff and I hope this leads to more of this freeloading scum getting put behind bars.
PAY YOUR WAY.

Re:GOOD (1)

Easy2RememberNick (179395) | more than 7 years ago | (#18757959)

You like when your MP considers you guilty until you're proven innocent?

mod usp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755007)

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We're having this battle in New Zealand now... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755233)

And one argument that has earned a lot of traction here goes like this:
  - DRMs (TPMs, in the jargon) may *in theory* be used to protect artists'/publishers' rights, but in practice they are far more often used to grant publishers new rights, far beyond what the law allows. For example: the copyright holder *has no right*, under law, to say when and how you're allowed to access the media that you've lawfully purchased. Yet this is the "right" that TPMs are most commonly used to "enforce".
  - Therefore, TPMs are used by publishers unilaterally to rewrite their own rights. If it's illegal to circumvent anything calling itself a TPM, then all other "rights" granted to consumers are worthless.
  - So the million-dollar question is this: "Who do you think should be responsible for defining publishers' rights in respect of copyright material? Publishers themselves, or democratically answerable politicians?"

Good luck.

Write your MP (1)

dubstar (565060) | more than 7 years ago | (#18756163)

The lobbying efforts of these various content industries are going to continue regardless of which party is in power. Take the time to write your MP [parl.gc.ca] , and CC each of the major political parties as well:

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/1045/ [conservative.ca]
http://www.liberal.ca/contact_e.aspx [liberal.ca]
http://www.ndp.ca/contact [www.ndp.ca]
http://www.green.ca/en/contact [green.ca]

Make it known that Canadians will not support any government pandering to the one-sided arguments of content publishers. DRM is doomed to failure and propping it up with legislation is just another step towards criminalizing fair-use.

Re:Write your MP (1)

Trails (629752) | more than 7 years ago | (#18757241)

As mentioned in an earlier post, should also probably contact Tina Keeper, Official Opposition Critic for Canadian Heritage. Her mailing address is as follows: Room 712 Confederation Building, House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6.

Time for an election (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18756267)

I thought a judge already put the smackdown on DMCA in Canada, on the basis that children as young as the age of 12 should not be held accountable for downloading music from the Internet. (sorry no source - but I remember a slashdot headline on it).

So much for Stephen Harper not acting as if he has a majority... But if polls can be trusted, he can win the next election with a majority. :(

- People like tax cuts, but don't understand what the taxes were being spent on.
- People like S.H.'s stance against crime, but jail time and harsher/minimum sentences don't prevent crime
- Stephane Dion is disorganized and "looks" weak (read timid) in comparison to S.H.
- S.H. is flip-flop on climate change is just a way to please voters (by promising action) and businesses (weak implementation of climate change)

BTW if you think I'm left wing you're only half right. I'm old left not new left.

Too bad (3, Interesting)

^_^x (178540) | more than 7 years ago | (#18756365)

For as long as I pay a levy on any recordable media, I will continue to download what I like. If they'd like to challenge me in court, I look forward to asking what exactly I paid that tax for whenever I buy a spool of CDs, DVDs, etc. Royalties for nothing? Government trying to profit from illegal activity?

And I will continue to apply hacks wherever needed to get around designed weaknesses/inabilities/stupidity. For example, I have a hard disk in my PS2 - I need a modchip to load games off this disk. I load all of my store-bought games onto this disk because if I keep using the PS2's DVD drive, it will almost certainly fail within a few years. I used to use a "digital video stabilizer" to strip Macrovision scrambling off of DVDs so I could watch them - the only way between my player and TV was through my VCR (it converted co-ax to composite) and the Macrovision messed with my VCR, so I removed it. I pity the fool who tries to charge me for something like this.

Re:Too bad (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18759519)

While I agree with your sentiments, as a lawyer I can tell you that you are the one who will have serious problems if they decide to take action against you. Simply defending the case would probably bankrupt you, regardless of whether you were to win or loose. Getting a costs award is never a sure thing, so even if you win you can still be on the hook for all of your legal expenses. This is why it is important to fight against these laws. Anyone who thinks that they can simply ignore laws that they deem "stupid" is taking a huge risk. While you may think that you can explain your use in court, you likely do not have sufficient funds to hire a competent lawyer who will even get you that far.

Not true about the mod-chip (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18759595)

I also have a hard drive in my PS2, and HD Loader for loading games off of the hard drive.

It is NOT TRUE that you need a mod-chip to do this. HD Loader (and its clones) do the same security check the normal bootloader does, so any game for your region can be loaded without a mod-chip.

You ONLY need the mod-chip if you want to run games from some other region... or "backups" (copies) of games. I do not have a mod-chip, since I only own and play North American region games on my PS2.

Region coding is obviously anti-competitive bullshit and I fully support the *moral* stance for you to own and use a mod-chip to play games from other regions, provided you actually own those games. But don't mislead people into believing that running games from the hard drive is a necessary, legitimate use of a mod-chip.

There are ONLY TWO REASONS to need a mod-chip: (1) so you can play games from other games, or (2) so you can play copies of games rather than originals. And if you use your mod-chip to play copies of games you don't actually own, then shame on you.

Hurry! Time's a wasting! (1)

dukieduke (918198) | more than 7 years ago | (#18756845)

Download all the Anne Murray and Rita MacNeil you can! You may not be able to soon!

Re:Hurry! Time's a wasting! (1)

Caffeinate (1031648) | more than 7 years ago | (#18757647)

Also classic Fred Penner and Sharon, Lois & Bram tunes!

Where would we be as a nation without "Skinamarinky-dinky-dink"?(sp?)

I have but 1 word (1)

Coraon (1080675) | more than 7 years ago | (#18757233)

DAMNIT!!! >. bloody hell, see this is why I voted the green party. Well they better call an election before this goes up...because if they do then the bill will die and not come back. This is something that happens alot in canadian politics, they put a bill forward just before an election that they know wont fly so that the special intrest group got the attention they wanted but dont have to deal with actually doing it. That better be what there doing anyway...because if not (shakes fist)

A belated April fool's joke? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18758061)

Please?

If it isn't, you can bet sure as hell I'm going down to parliament with anyone else who's willing to protest the bill.

Write to your MPs Canadians! It's already bad that the Americans AND Europeans adopted this bullshit, let's not let it happen again.

Good luck enforcing this (1)

SilverBlade2k (1005695) | more than 7 years ago | (#18758755)

I'll continue to download/rip movie rentals, and download the software to copy movies and music until they pry my computer from my dead hands
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