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Engineering building (0, Flamebait)

eclectro (227083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755091)

He killed nerds. He was shooting at us.

Re:Engineering building (4, Interesting)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755141)

Yeah, engineering bldg...apparently he walked in (after shooting someone in a dorm?), he chained the doors of the engineering bldg, so no one could get in/out and started blasting away.

So far, 32 dead they say including him...they said he was an oriental fellow, with a vest on, and lots of ammo strapped to him.

Any word if he was an engineering student that may have snapped or anything?

Sad day...

:-(

Re:Engineering building (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755153)

What? Let's get him by solving math problems.

Re:Engineering building (0, Offtopic)

flitty (981864) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755193)

"Things Fall Apart; The Center Will Not Hold"... Yeates. Everytime i hear about these shootings, the "terrorists" seem a little further away in a less relevant place.

Re:Engineering building (0)

vought (160908) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755199)

Great. Now Jon Katz is going to write something obtuse about this.

Re:Engineering building (1)

double-oh three (688874) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755349)

Well, from the elapsed time and distance from the initial shooting to the secondary, and mass-casualty, one it seems clear that he made a choice to go to Norris hall. I doubt it was an anti-nerd crime, it seems more likely that the initial shooting drove the shooter mad (or wanting suicide by cop), and he went to Norris due to some unknown reason or by familiarity.

Thoughts go the the families.. (1, Insightful)

WarwickRyan (780794) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755093)

..of those killed/injured :(

Re:Thoughts go the the families.. (1)

TheBracket (307388) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755307)

I'd like to second that. The thoughts and prayers of my whole family are with the families of the victims, the wounded, and everyone involved. Truly a tragedy.

Re:Thoughts go the the families.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755385)

Gee, I'm sure the families are reading slashdot and are touched by your empty post.

Beyond words... (2, Insightful)

Colonel Angus (752172) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755095)

What fucked up animals we are. I wish well to all affected by this.

Re:Beyond words... (3, Insightful)

DoctorVic (716683) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755189)

I heard something on the news about this when the details were unfolding this morning. I thought to myslef "Not again.. What the fuck is wrong with people." I mean, really, what the hell would cause someone to do something of this nature? I can understand being mad, even mad enough to kill - but that is rage targeted at an individual for perceived crmes against myself. To do something of this magnitude to what basically amounts to a group of innocents is just mind numbingly awful. Fucktard. Also, my best to those affected by one persons retardation.

Re:Beyond words... (4, Insightful)

RexRhino (769423) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755357)

What is wrong is that the guy is insane. You can't understand what he did because (presumably) you are not insane. The brain is a machine, and in some people the machine goes haywire.

Go go Jack Thompson (1, Funny)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755101)

He probably trained on Doom. Someone check to see if he was able to aim up and down.

Re:Go go Jack Thompson (1)

RealSurreal (620564) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755165)

I can't confirm it but I've read reports that he's already been on Fox saying just that.

Re:Go go Jack Thompson (4, Informative)

Southpaw018 (793465) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755173)

He was on Fox around 3:15 Eastern (I think. Time may be off), almost in tears talking about how HL2, GTA, and the others prepared the guy for violence - notwithstanding his name hasn't even been released yet.

Re:Go go Jack Thompson (2, Insightful)

eclectro (227083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755345)

He probably trained on Doom. Someone check to see if he was able to aim up and down.

Bad joke, but one has to wonder. Especially with hollywood seemingingly taking an increasingly cavalier attitude about putting hardcore violence in films. A lot of what is passing for R these days would have gotten NC-17 ten years ago. I bet the movie grindhouse [imdb.com] tanks this weekend.

Re:Go go Jack Thompson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755411)

Not a bad joke, just an insensitive one. Given time, I'll have people rolling in the aisles over it.

Suprised it was an asian.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755105)

Looks like someone took Counter Strike a bit too far.....

slashdot? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755107)

Did they count the rounds fired with some form of java program? Whats the relevance here?

Re:slashdot? (0, Offtopic)

darkrowan (976992) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755155)

I was about to ask this, then realized they took out the engineering classes. 'Bout the only relivance I can see here.

Re:slashdot? (1)

thryllkill (52874) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755299)

Um... current events can be important to nerds too.

Just be glad there's no Jon Katz around. Last thing we need are some, "...in this post Virginia Tech world..." articles.

Re:slashdot? (5, Insightful)

gregmark (750089) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755325)

Er.. aren't there some stories that transcend the typical boundaries of the Slashdot? What did we do on 9/11? The fallout of this event will affect student civil liberties all over America. Once the "we gotta do *something*" people take over, it's going to get spectacularly ugly. After they find his My Space page, this might even become a YRO issue. This is *very* relevant.

Re:slashdot? (3, Informative)

StarvingSE (875139) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755235)

I submitted this story as well, and in my summary I stated that this being a tech site, there are probably a lot of virginia tech students alumni in the readership, and therefore it is appropriate to post this on /.

This whole incident makes me sick to my stomach, and my thoughts/prayers go out to the families and victims.

Congress says more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755111)

Congress says it may be 32 - more details will come I'm sure.

31 dead, 20 wounded. (5, Informative)

Southpaw018 (793465) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755113)

See headline. Check favorite news outlets, or see the developing story, including people monitoring scanners, several students posting live in the thread, and people grappling with the various sources of information in this [fark.com] Fark thread.

Gaming (2, Interesting)

Beowulf_Boy (239340) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755115)

I'm a gaming and simulation design engineering major.

I really hope they don't find any way to blame this on video games, like most school shootings.

Re:Gaming (1)

Chr0me (180627) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755167)

Jack Thompson was already of Fox News today.

Re:Gaming (1)

projektsilence (988729) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755227)

I heard that there was a dorm room level and engineering building level in the latest GTA game!

Re:Gaming (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755239)

Jack Thompson was already on the news blaming it on video games. What a sick fuck. Using this horror to advance his personal agenda. What a sick, sick human being.

Re:Gaming (0, Flamebait)

AdmiralAudio (990385) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755365)

I really hope they don't find any way to blame this on video games, like most school shootings.

Or guns, like all school shootings.

My sincerest condolences (4, Insightful)

photomonkey (987563) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755117)

I was at the University of Arizona Nursing School shootings in 2001, and know what the folks over at VTech are going through.

My thoughts are with you, your loved ones and for this world, which every day seems to spin more out of control.

Re:My sincerest condolences (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755425)

While I can certainly appreciate the pain that friends and victims must be feeling here, the key word in your latter point is "seems". Check the murder rate since the year 1200 in the world. The fact that this is huge news means we do a lot right.

More than 20. . . (4, Insightful)

treeves (963993) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755123)

Worst shooting spree of *any* kind. 31 dead, latest count. How he got away with it again, two hours later, is a question many will be asking.

Untrue! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755243)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killing [wikipedia.org]

Worst school shooting in American history. So far this body count hasn't even reached the top 3 spree killings in history, all of which fyi weren't inside the USA. Wikipedia also has a disturbing play-by-play of the Australian Port Arthur massacre that is truly horrifying to read.

Re:Untrue! (1)

treeves (963993) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755321)

I meant in US History, as that's what the summary referred to. Terrible in any case.

Re:More than 20. . . (0, Flamebait)

Deagol (323173) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755261)

How he got away with it again, two hours later, is a question many will be asking.

He got away with it *both* times because the law emasculates the citizen from carrying a weapon at all times. If there were no restrictions on concealed carry, more people would carry. If V. Tech (like may schools) didn't ban firearms on its grounds, it's probable that some people in either group would have been armed and could have defended themselves.

Yes, the shooter was clearly out of his mind, and is to blame for the offense. However... we can blame the law for our collective lack of defense in situations like this.

Queue Jack Thompson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755127)

He should be blaming this on computer games any moment now. He will use the death of innocents to further his idiotic agenda.

Call it what it really was: murders (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755203)

not "death of innocents".

DId video games play a part? We don't know. I do know that there's just far too much violence out there and violence as an easy-end.

Don't mince words, and don't describe this in the form of a euphenism-- it was cold blooded murder.

Re:Queue Jack Thompson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755351)

The word you are looking for is "cue", as in cue card.

ALREADY Jack Thompson blames games (5, Insightful)

Apocalypse111 (597674) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755139)

In case anyone has missed it, Jack Thompson has already gone on the major news networks predicting that the shooter's computer will have Counterstrike installed.

How the hell does Jacko correlate the skill of properly aiming and discharging a firearm with moving a thumbstick and pressing a button on a control-pad? There is no link there!

Listen Jack, just because your addled mind cannot disassociate video games from reality doesn't mean that the rest of us can't either. For fuck sake, the bodies aren't even COLD yet, we have no idea who the shooter is, and already you're exploiting this situation to try to push your illogical and ultimatly incorrect agenda?

You are a sick, sick man Jacko. Human filth. The only person worse than you in this situation is the shooter, but at least he had the decency to get killed.

My heart goes out to the victims of this tragedy, but right now I can't help but feel only rage at the baseless lies and unabashed opportunism displayed by this man.

Re:ALREADY Jack Thompson blames games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755201)

It'll really suck for him if he's wrong.

There are far more computers out there *without* Counterstrike than with.

Re:ALREADY Jack Thompson blames games (1)

DoctorPepper (92269) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755305)

Yeah, mine. I do have Nethack installed (ASCII version), so I would probably get pinged by ol' Jacko too.

Re:ALREADY Jack Thompson blames games (5, Insightful)

Badgerman (19207) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755209)

I'm seeing a lot of people making political hay out of this already. Really, can't we let the bodies get cold?

Though this is what we can expect in a mass media age. Here we are, on Slashdot, already discussing it when they're still counting the dead.

But I'm glad there is a place to discuss it. I have friends in the area, I know people who went to the colleges there. It's really freaky.

Re:ALREADY Jack Thompson blames games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755277)

I also send my condolences to those affected. It's always amazed me that people can just snap and do something like this, almost as amazing as how easy it is (which is a tribute to how well behaved people are in general).

In Counterstrike's defense, I'll bet it's on at least 75% of male college students' computers, so why should you make a correlation at all?

Link please (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755289)

I've only seen this [kotaku.com] , which has no quotes, or supporting links, and starts with "Yep, despite the fact that he's a known liar,".

Not that I'm saying this is fake, but it sure reads like fake.

Do you have a link to any sort of statement/quote that he made? Or is this pro-gaming a-holes doing exactly what you're accusing him of, exploiting this tragedy to push their (anti-thompson) agenda?

Re:Link please (1)

Apocalypse111 (597674) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755333)

Just saw him on CNN and Faux News doing this, the transcripts aren't out yet.

Republicans call for Guns in classrooms (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755391)

Sadly I'm not making this up. Instapundit [instapundit.com] , arguably one of the central voices of modern republicanism, is pointing out how this only happens in places that prohibit guns. But don't click that link since it will just bring them advertising dollars. Here's what he says:

These things do seem to take place in locations where it's not legal for people with carry permits to carry guns, though, and I believe that's the case where the Virginia Tech campus is concerned. I certainly wish that someone had been in a position to shoot this guy at the outset.

Federal Sources Cite 31 Dead Now (4, Insightful)

nexuspal (720736) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755145)

link [reuters.com] . My question/concern is why did the police not lock down the campus after the shooting in the residence hall. 2 hours later, the SAME shooter went into classrooms and started killing students. If this is indeed the case, I believe it was gross negligence on the part of the police and I would be very disturbed if I was a family member of one of the students killed in the second shooting.

MOD PARENT UP! (1)

Critical Facilities (850111) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755419)

This is an excellent point. While this is a tragic and inexcusable event, we should not allow our emotions and sympathy to blind us from glaring procedural mistakes (or complete lacks of policy). Where I work, we have just under 4000 employees on our campus, and we have VERY strict emergency/hazard communication procedures that we practice regularly. I'm not saying that the apparent lack of this is necessarily the cause in this particular case, but it's worth asking why in the world students had no idea there had been a shooting on campus until almost 2 hours later.

Imagine it like this: someone comes into your office 2 hours before you do and shoots someone there. You would naturally expect to know about it before waltzing in to work as though it were any other day, right? Why wasn't this the case here?

Second Amendment Rights (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755149)

This is why it is wrong for your second amendment rights to end at the boundary of a school. Nothing is preventing from people illegally bringing guns on to campus. The same argument applies, well, anywhere.

Re:Second Amendment Rights (1)

Yusaku Godai (546058) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755303)

This is what I'm worried about though. On the one hand, I think it goes without saying that guns *should* be prohibited on college campuses, and they are.

But now we're already hearing things about how universities are going to have to review their security, and some campuses are going to have to start clamping down on security. But at what cost? College dorms are already bad enough as far as privacy is concerned (I'm fortunate in that I barely spent any time in on-campus housing when I was in school). But the last thing we need is for college campuses to become police states. And it'll get ugly if too many campuses try to clamp down too much, especially on the more liberal campuses.

University of Texas Tower (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755341)

Remember that the UofT Tower death toll was so low, because the students had weapons and fired back, keeping the shooter pinned down until the police arrived.
VA-Tech has a TOTAL gun ban on campus. Worked well didn't it?

The right to self-defense is the first and most fundamental human right.

Not now! - was Re:Second Amendment Rights (2, Insightful)

mattt79 (1005999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755403)

IMO you're right. But that's not the point.
It's too soon, and the wounds are too fresh.

Right now, my heart goes out to the families of those killed, and prayers that the injured all recover.

Let the political arguments, the gun control and video game fights, and even the Jon Katz stories just wait until later.

-Matt

Checked in with people I knew as best I could. (5, Informative)

Badgerman (19207) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755157)

Have some friends in the area, so our usual gang was trying to figure out what was up.

From what I heard they put all schools in the county into lockdown when the attack was detected - not just college campuses. The gunman is apparently dead, but obviously everyone is extremely nervous.

Apparently the campus had had bomb threats in the last two weeks. No idea if they're connected:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/ [msn.com]

My thoughts are with the lost and their loved ones.

And still you fight for your right to bear arms (-1, Offtopic)

BristolCream (102658) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755161)

Take this as (another) wake up call. Vote for the candidate that promise to reform your gun control laws in '08.

Re:And still you fight for your right to bear arms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755257)

Cue irrational gun control supporter in 3..2.. What? they went in early?

The only thing gun control does is prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves. Think he would have got as many if someone in that classroom would have been carrying besides him?

Re:And still you fight for your right to bear arms (2, Insightful)

zulater (635326) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755273)

Yes, because criminals respect the law! [/sarcasm]

Re:And still you fight for your right to bear arms (2, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755285)

Right, because there's no way this guy could have killed 30 people without a gun (say, with a bomb, or something)... No way he could have gotten a gun if they were against the law... etc.

How many fewer people in that classroom would have died if one of the students in the room was carrying?

Best to respond to tragedy with a knee-jerk revocation of civil liberties.

The "firearms" cat is out of the bag. You can't undo technology with laws. Readers of this site should know that better than most people.

Re:And still you fight for your right to bear arms (1)

Flizesh (775141) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755313)

I don't think gun control laws can really stop something like this. If someone is going to murder people they will have no trouble obtaining a gun illegally.

Re:And still you fight for your right to bear arms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755315)

You're dead on right. It is very important that we do away with Disarmed Victim Zones as soon as possible.

Oh wait, you think we can get rid of guns........
You can't think that can you? You honestly think we can get rid of guns? What possesses you to think we can get rid of guns? We can't keep guns or drugs out of prisons, how on earth can we keep them out of a country?

Promise to reform your gun control laws in '08 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755327)

I agree 100%!

That's while I'll be voting for the candidate that allows the individual RKBA to trump the local campus law that left students unable to defend themselves while the police were waiting outside.

Re:And still you fight for your right to bear arms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755335)

Take this as (another) wake up call. Vote for the candidate that promise to reform your gun control laws in '08.

If we are going to start editing parts of the Constitution, why not fix the 14th Amendment? We can change the "All persons born or naturalized in the United States" part to something about earning citizenship, and as a side benefit completely remove chickenhawks and anchor babies. If we make firearms training part of how it is earned, it would fulfill the "well-regulated" requirement, and we can let states decide about gun ownership of non-citizens.

Re:And still you fight for your right to bear arms (1)

fletcherthunder (970677) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755343)

yes, we do. if he would have been in a public place, a citizen that was bearing arms could have shot him after he killed only a couple of people, not 31+. the problem isn't having arms available to the public. and it's not video games. if you will do a bit of research, the "shooting spree" phenom has been going on a long time, much longer before video games came along. the second largest killing spree at a campus was in 1966 at the U. of Texas campus. the rate hasn't increased, just the publicity in the past 15-20 years. this is a very sad situation, nothing to joke about or to try and push your own agenda with, it is disrespectful to the people involved....

Re:And still you fight for your right to bear arms (1)

Known Nutter (988758) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755359)

Disgraceful comment.

You're no better than Jack Thompson.

Re:And still you fight for your right to bear arms (5, Insightful)

psykocrime (61037) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755367)



And still you fight for your right to bear arms
(Score:2, Offtopic)
Take this as (another) wake up call. Vote for the candidate that promise to reform your gun control laws in '08.


Yeah, existing laws - making it illegal to walk on campus with a gun and shoot 30+ people - really did a lot of good, no? What makes you think passing more laws is going to help?

Something like this actually makes me MORE determined than ever to fight for my 2nd Amendment rights. You can do whatever the fuck you want if some nut with a gun shows up and starts trying to kill you, but I want to be able to defend myself. I may not succeed, but at least I won't go out cowering under a desk, praying to a god that does not exist, that the killer won't find me.

Re:And still you fight for your right to bear arms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755387)

What makes you think reformed gun control laws will solve this problem? There will still exist a black market, and anyone that really wants to shoot up his classmates will still find a way. Look to DC itself as evidence against gun control.

All you are doing is taking a knee-jerk reaction, with no real analysis into the cause. This is the problem with the nanny state, you punish the responsible majority for the actions of the minority and it isn't even for a valid reason. If you want to solve the problems with gun violence, you should look towards solving violent crime in general. You will find many more die at the hands of a baseball bat or knife than a gun.

Jack Thompson Strikes again (0, Redundant)

b0wl0fud0n (887462) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755169)

And once again, before any details about the shooter are released, Jack Thompson is blaming video games [kotaku.com] for the shooting.

from the funny-not-appropriate dept. (1, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755175)

then how about leaving out the clever tagline altogether?

Very sorry (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755181)

I'm really very sorry for these kids.

This is a terrible tragedy.

Get ready... (1, Troll)

psykocrime (61037) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755183)

...here come the "knee jerk" reactions, which - with Democrats in control of Congress - will almost certainly include new gun-control legislation. Legislation which - if history is any indicator - will do nothing to prevent tragedies like this, and will actually make our society more susceptible to this sort of thing, as fewer people have the means to defend themselves.

Does anybody know if Virginia Tech has a policy against firearms on campus? If so, I hope people stop and ask: could one student, armed with a handgun, have prevented the death toll from climbing as high as it did?

Re:Get ready... (1)

mwhahaha (172475) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755237)

VT is a gun free campus. They have banned guns from the campus.

Re:Get ready... (5, Informative)

mwhahaha (172475) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755319)

http://www.judicial.vt.edu/upsl.php [vt.edu]

10. Fireworks/Explosives/Hazardous Chemicals/Weapons
Unauthorized possession or use of fireworks, explosives, or weapons is prohibited. Hazardous chemicals that could pose a health risk are also prohibited from the campus, including chemicals that, when combined with other substances, could be hazardous or present a danger to others.

Unauthorized possession, storage (in vehicles on campus as well as in the residence halls), or control of firearms and weapons on university property is prohibited. (NOTE: Organizational weapons of the Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets, approved by the commandant, are not prohibited by this policy.) Firearms are defined as any gun, rifle, pistol, or handgun designed to fire bullets, BBs, pellets, or shots (including paint balls), regardless of the propellant used. Other weapons are defined as any instrument of combat or any object not designed as an instrument of combat but carried for the purpose of inflicting or threatening bodily injury. Examples include (but are not limited to) knives with fixed blades or pocket knives with blades longer than four inches, razors, metal knuckles, blackjacks, hatchets, bows and arrows, nun chahkas, foils, or any explosive or incendiary device. Possession of realistic replicas of weapons on campus is prohibited. Students who store weapons in residence hall rooms, who brandish weapons, or who use a weapon in a reckless manner may face disciplinary action which may include suspension or dismissal from the university.

Refer to Section V.W. for additional information about Weapons.

Re:Get ready... (3, Informative)

smashr (307484) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755347)

Does anybody know if Virginia Tech has a policy against firearms on campus? If so, I hope people stop and ask: could one student, armed with a handgun, have prevented the death toll from climbing as high as it did?
Virginia Tech does have a policy against firearms on campus. The Virginia Attorney General a couple years ago clarified that the administration of Virginia Universities has a right to prevent students from having weapons on campus but not citizens attending a public event or in public spaces. (As virginia is for the most part an open-carry state)

Re:Get ready... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755353)

Right. Or you could outlaw firearms altogether.

Or the other possibility... (0, Flamebait)

Xocet_00 (635069) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755379)

What if, on one of the other thousands of days that a shooting didn't occur, one of those students carrying a handgun gets into an altercation with another student and shoots him/her in moment of rashness?


Having everyone carrying guns around is just asking for them to be used during those moments we all have when we're not thinking clearly.

Re:Get ready... (1)

jockeys (753885) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755383)

this is what happens when you artificially, (thru legislation) create a Defenseless Victim Zone. or, as they are sometimes called, Gun Free Zones. there will most likely be a bunch of post-facto firearms legislation after this to make everybody feel better.

Remember kids, you should give up your rights because FEELING safer is more important.

To anyone who has lost someone important, I know that nothing I can say makes it hurt less. My thoughts are with you.

Re:Get ready... (1)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755395)

Your plan would do more harm than good. Given how much college students drink, if even 10% of them regularly carried firearms, there would undoubtedly be > 30 additional accidental deaths every year due to alcohol-related stupidity.

Case of the Mondays (0, Offtopic)

stickynips (1088445) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755195)

Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays.

Re:Case of the Mondays (0, Offtopic)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755363)

Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays.
Are you saying the silicon chip inside his head got switched to overload?

Re:Case of the Mondays (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755381)

No man... Way too soon

Re:Case of the Mondays (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755407)

Sorry, but it seems like you are not fully grasping the seriousness of this scenario. 31 people are dead! I don't think this is something to joke about. I work for a college and there are people reviewing our policy for such an event right now. This sort of thing is 'freak' and not common, but at the same time it is random and to be ready for such an event is a need if such an event were to arise. This is a tradgic loss of life. I think we should all look both a little inward and more outward towards others today.

This is terrible news (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755207)

As a Take-Two stockholder, I dearly hope this horrible shooting rampage will not have a negative impact on sales of the upcoming Grand Theft Auto IV. My thoughts and prayers go out to all my fellow Take-Two stockholders.

20% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755211)

If 20% of adult population were well trained and well checked before hand with license to carry concealed firearm, then this sort of mass shooting would have never achieved their goal of having lots of casualties - they all rely on the fact that opposition (you and me) will be unarmed and thus can kill and would lots of people. There is simply no other way to protect _general_ population because attackers will always have upper hand in choosing the place and the time to hit.

another victory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755213)

Another victory for victim disarmament.

I wonder what this will be blamed on (1)

pv2b (231846) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755245)

I wonder what video game Jack Thompson on the like will be trying to blame this on, and what insane laws will be passed to Stop This From Ever Happening Again(TM).

Seriously. This is a tragic incident, and I have the deepest sympathies for the families of all struck. But I predict a lot of knee-jerking in the days, weeks and months to come, which will showcase an even worse human behaviour, politicking and fear-mongering.

I don't want to diminish the significance of this event, but hundreds, possibly even thousands of people die in equally tragic human-created events every day -- most of them don't even make the news. Most of them are in other countries -- Darfur anybody? Remember that when you consider what happened here today, and when you see the long-standing ramifications and moral panic that will follow this.

A wise man once said, his name escapes me, and I paraphrase -- the world will be considered to be sane as soon as no new laws are passed, simply because some nut guns down a school full of people.

Good news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755249)

Now they can make a sequal to enter into next year's Sundance Festival.

Where is now the patriot act? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755251)

I guess the huge databases are useless afterall :|

Contrast this with Iraq Violence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755279)

Over there - it's religion causing ignorance. Over here - it's false freedom (right to bear arms) causing ignorance.

Imagine a world without religion. Do you notice the lack of guns?
Imagine a world without guns. Do you notice free religion really being free?

I am no fan of Big Brother.... (1)

The Media Mechanic (1084283) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755295)

I hate Big Brother just as much as the next guy, but incidents like these make me wonder if perhaps installing HDTV video cameras in all public areas, might make for a slightly safer environment. If this guy had been spotted carrying 2 guns sooner, maybe security guards could have confronted him and prevented this massacre. I mean college campuses are notoriously open and friendly environments... I would hate to see them "locked down" with barbed wire fences and metal detectors. Maybe security cameras really are a less obtrusive alternative to increasing security...

Then again, someone will always find a way to circumvent even the tightest security and observation..

Is this a problem we can solve with technology? Or is the true solution only psychological, cultural, emotional...?

If I sound confused, it's because I am... I don't understand why someone would inflict such pain and suffering on their fellow human beings... We're all in this together guys! Come on! Please stop the violence! Peace.

Article Offtopic (-1, Offtopic)

Carrion Creeper (673888) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755301)

Granted this is unfortunate and we should all take notice. There is no doubt about that. However...

This is why I read Fark which, while it has its flaws, tends to mention more serious articles such as this among its more humorous topics.

I am not trying to pick favorites, but anything that makes slashdot more like Fark (certain sets of topics interrupted by general real world news) is not a forward step for slashdot. Slashdot should stick to what it tries to do best. My condolences to anyone related to the submitting or posting of this article who was affected by this tragedy, and to anyone else similarly affected.

Sadness from an alumnus (2, Interesting)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755317)

Yeah, this sucks. I lived in AJ. As a CS major (and grad student), I had classes in Norris. I spent a lot of time there in general (thanks to various club activities). As the numbers keep growing and growing, it just becomes more and more shocking, yet numbing at the same time.

That said, everytime the press says, "This has set a new record in campus killings", I want to throttle someone.

Sick to my stomach (1)

crea5e (590098) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755323)

Hey I had classes in Norris. It's very small building in comparison to others. I had thermodynamics and maybe like game theory there at the very least. I remember it was like mineral science and mechanical engineering... I am sad. very sad. My prayers and thoughts to the students, families, friends, alumni... Suresh thakoor.

Worst in history? (-1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755361)

Worst school shooting in US history.
Or best, depending on your perspective.

One ticket, aisle seat please, blah, blah, blah.

Seriously though, an interesting tidbit form the ABCNews site:

But many students were looking online for information about schoolmates. Some of them established a so-called "wall" at Facebook.com to share what they knew; others turned to MySpace.com.

I wish I'd had access to something similar in the days just after 9/11 -- it was very painful to not know what had happened to friends and family who worked downtown.

My heart and thoughts go out to all those affected by this tragedy.

As horrifying as this is... (5, Insightful)

TomatoMan (93630) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755371)

As horrifying as this sickening act of violence is, it's sobering to recognize that this kind of random death toll is practically a daily event in Baghdad. We should be equally shocked and horrified by that.

Thoughts and prayers for all victims of violence.

i guess its time to lower bookstore prices... (0)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755375)

mod me down if you like, but my unbelievably morbid personality is kicking in, and i really cant help myself here.

I guess we have a better feeling now (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18755389)

For what a typical day in Bagdhad is like.

land of the free^Wdead (0, Troll)

Cederic (9623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755393)


hurrah for the constitutional right to bear arms and shoot your fellow Americans.

Coverage with a slant (0, Offtopic)

ctrawick (772913) | more than 7 years ago | (#18755405)

I am struck by the consistent description of this event as the "worst school shooting in U.S. history." While this is certainly true, it artificially makes this into a tool for the anti-gun lobby. A more balanced presentation would include mention of the Bath School Disaster-- a 1927 school BOMBING in which the eventual toll was 45 dead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster [wikipedia.org] The subtext seems to be that we've got it really bad today, and that good people don't own guns.
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