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Firefox Usage Near 25% In Europe

kdawson posted about 7 years ago | from the edge-of-the-wedge dept.

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PARENA writes "French researcher Xiti claims that Mozilla Firefox keeps winning terrain in Europe. 24.1% of Internet users in Europe use Firefox. Slovenia (44.5%), Finland (41.3%), Croatia (36.5%), and Germany (36.2%) lead the way, followed by a group of mostly Eastern European countries. Remarkably, The Netherlands is only at 13.3%, right before Andorra. Oceania maintains a slight lead over Europe, at 24.8%; the rest of the world trails at 11.9% to 15.1%."

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Ballmer chair jokes.... (2, Funny)

8127972 (73495) | about 7 years ago | (#18759303)

.... In 3 - 2 - 1....

Re:Ballmer chair jokes.... (0, Offtopic)

BradyB (52090) | about 7 years ago | (#18759343)

I wonder why Ballmer is still there? Could it be that the board is scared to fire him, in fear of him going postal on them all.

Re:Ballmer chair jokes.... (4, Funny)

Ariastis (797888) | about 7 years ago | (#18759425)

Your wrong. The IE team needs help moving furniture around.

Re:Ballmer chair jokes.... (3, Funny)

644bd346996 (1012333) | about 7 years ago | (#18759541)

Hmmm.... That could offer some insight as to why IE is so bad. All their furniture is broken, and the walls have gaping holes from having desks and chairs thrown through them. Their light fixtures are probably in bad shape, too.

Re:Ballmer chair jokes.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759543)

Possibly he's an excellent CEO. I could be wrong, I only know as much as you, and that's really nothing at all. The fact that the company is immensely profitable might be a clue...

Re:Ballmer chair jokes.... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18760163)

only if "excellent" means 'lucky' in Microserf-speak. Microsoft was handed a monopoly by IBM and they've ridden that monopoly all the way to the bank. Also, they've throw away 10s of billions of dollars doing nothing but preventing the real innovators in the market from profiting from excellent( the real one ) new products of their own. Failure at everything but their desktop leveraged monopoly is a good sign of 'MS-excellence'.

did I see something about "a clue"? doh.

Re:Ballmer chair jokes.... (2, Insightful)

heinousjay (683506) | about 7 years ago | (#18760313)

Apparently you have no understanding of what a CEO does. I'll let you know something he doesn't do: help the competition.

Your unrelated points are all excellent, and true about Microsoft in general, but you apparently don't understand the concept of leading such a beast, even in the abstract. It's okay, very few people do.

Yeah but... (4, Funny)

misleb (129952) | about 7 years ago | (#18759433)

Wasn't the Amiga also popular in Europe at some point? Nothing wrong with the Amiga, just pointing out that you can't always use Europe as a gauge for success. ;-)

-matthew

Re:Yeah but... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759449)

Wasn't George W. Bush popular in the US at some point?

Re:Yeah but... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759463)

But where's Oceania?

Re:Yeah but... (5, Funny)

lavid (1020121) | about 7 years ago | (#18759679)

I thought we were at war with East Asia....

Re:Yeah but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18760483)

AC since I moderated....

Whoever modded this as offtopic didn't get the joke. Wiki '1984'.

Two words (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759523)

just pointing out that you can't always use Europe as a gauge for success. ;-)

George Bush


Linux came from Europe... (4, Informative)

feranick (858651) | about 7 years ago | (#18759575)

If you didn't notice...

Re:Linux came from Europe... (0)

psxman (925240) | about 7 years ago | (#18759793)

Depends on what you mean by "Linux".
If you mean Linux as in the operating system, the way people typically mean it, no, it started in Boston.
If you mean Linux as in the kernel, then yes, it started in Finland.

Re:Linux came from Europe... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18760107)

Actually, Amsterdam. Before linux was minix, which was popular for teaching operating system fundamentals. Linus has stated that, had he known about *BSD, Linux wouldn't exist. Instead, his university taught minix, which was free but not Free, and didn't have full 386 support.

Re:Linux came from Europe... (3, Insightful)

feranick (858651) | about 7 years ago | (#18760311)

First Linux is the kernel. Second: that is not the point. Great things are developed anywhere.

Re:Linux came from Europe... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18760541)

Oh really? I haven't seen anything great developed on Pluto.

slavery was briefly popular in the US ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759673)

... just saying

Re:Yeah but... (1)

Carthag (643047) | about 7 years ago | (#18759717)

Commodore was entirely to blame for the lack of sustained success for the Amiga. They somehow lost it all, even though they had a fantastic computer with great name recognition and very good market share.

Re:Yeah but... (4, Insightful)

Foofoobar (318279) | about 7 years ago | (#18760177)

Yeah and wasn't legalized prostitution, hashish and Monty Python also popular in Europe? Shows you that they have it al over us and US. :)

IE States: More Useful? (5, Insightful)

Gamefreak99 (722148) | about 7 years ago | (#18759467)

Wouldn't it be more useful to look at the stats for Internet Explorer than those for Firefox? I'm sure many Europeans use Opera or Safari, besides just Firefox?

Got to give props to the Firefox guys though. They're getting there :)

Re:IE Stats: More Useful? (1)

Rukie (930506) | about 7 years ago | (#18759587)

Stats in general can be misleading, but I would agree that IE stats would be more useful. I'd love to see a time comparison chart between the popularity of Firefox vs IE though. I'm betting that firefox is doing very well because of all the advertisement google is helping them with. Have you seen all those "Get Firefox with Google Toolbar" adds! Google will give you a whole dollar each time someone clicks on it and downloads firefox, with the toolbar, from your site. Its sweet, but with Apple having a bit of the market share out there, and all those Opera users, along with netscape and links/lynx (Love for text browsers!), and even Konqueror for those weird KDE fans, I bet that we've got 50% open source web browsing SOMEWHERE...

Useful for what? (4, Interesting)

David Gould (4938) | about 7 years ago | (#18760341)

Wouldn't it be more useful to look at the stats for Internet Explorer than those for Firefox? I'm sure many Europeans use Opera or Safari, besides just Firefox?
I guess that sort of depends on what you're interested in tracking: the death of IE, or the growth of Firefox.

Re:Useful for what? (1)

Rob Simpson (533360) | about 7 years ago | (#18760599)

Well, I know Opera isn't, but aren't a bunch of other browsers based on the same engine as Firefox? Seamonkey/Mozilla, Konqueror, etc?

What am I forgetting? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759479)

I feel like I'm forgetting something important today. My co-worker said "does it end with x?" All I can think of is Firefox, but that's not it.

sounds way of low for home users (4, Informative)

dattaway (3088) | about 7 years ago | (#18759503)

I'm getting around 82% firefox, 16% IE.

OS platforms are 88% windows, 9% Mac, and nearly 3% Linux.

Are other people seeing this?

Re:sounds way of low for home users (2, Insightful)

seaturnip (1068078) | about 7 years ago | (#18759563)

Maybe it's just that most people going to your site have clicked on your slashdot link?

Re:sounds way of low for home users (1)

nottoogeeky (869124) | about 7 years ago | (#18759591)

I'm getting around 80% ie and 10% ff on e-commerce sites. 44% of the ie users are now using ie7 which is better than expected! I'm in UK btw.

Re:sounds way of low for home users (1)

Locutus (9039) | about 7 years ago | (#18760429)

beter than expected? Isn't MS-ie7 now part of the standard MS windows update system and has been for a couple of months now? I doubt it is optional so I'm surprised it's not a higher number.

LoB

Re:sounds way of low for home users (4, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | about 7 years ago | (#18759791)

I'm getting around 82% firefox, 16% IE.
OS platforms are 88% windows, 9% Mac, and nearly 3% Linux.

This tells me nothing until I know the target audience for your site and the number of visitors.

Re:sounds way of low for home users (1)

ilikejam (762039) | about 7 years ago | (#18760139)

Here's the interesting bits from my server logs:

Browser; OS Hits %

NS6; WinXP 41221 36.4 %
IE6.0; WinXP 30390 26.8 %
NS6; MacPPC 13339 11.8 %
NS6; Linux 5413 4.8 %
IE6.0; Win2000 4719 4.2 %
NS6; Win2000 4526 4 %
IE7.0; WinXP 2103 1.9 %
OP8.50; WinXP 1591 1.4 %


Most traffic is from a Digg story ages ago, though, so it's probably heavily biased towards the NS6/Firefox

Re:sounds way of low for home users (2, Interesting)

odie_q (130040) | about 7 years ago | (#18760699)

I admin a varied collection of sites in Swedish. The metrics for a couple of these over the last month follow.

University amateur theater (spex) site: 73.4% Firefox, 22.0% IE, 1.4% Opera, 0.2% Safari
Family discussion board and photo album: 85.9% Firefox, 7.8% IE, 1.8% Safari
Professional photographer's site: 49.4% IE, 32.9% Firefox, 13.1% Safari
Linux laptop installation instructions (English): 49.1% Firefox, 38.2% IE, 2.8% Safari, 2.8% Opera
Personal page about my boat: 59.6% IE, 35.8% Firefox, 2.2% Safari, 0.4% Opera

Nice indeed, but... (-1, Flamebait)

owlnation (858981) | about 7 years ago | (#18759513)

The first question for me is why is the US lagging behind on this? Only 2% more Firefox usage than Africa.

Anyone any ideas why this is?

Re:Nice indeed, but... (2, Interesting)

daeg (828071) | about 7 years ago | (#18759589)

Internet Explorer works decent enough for the average user. Outside of the US, I'm betting the internationalization support of Firefox is a good promoting factor. If you could have your native language be garbled based on very picky Internet Explorer language rules and parsing, or Firefox, which would you pick?

On a related note, I'd like to see a study as to how accurate translations are, too, when comparing FireFox (and others) to IE.

Re:Nice indeed, but... (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 7 years ago | (#18760431)

Actually I think not only that's not the case...IE might have upper hand when it comes to "internationalization" support. And right at the start...because what could Firefox/Opera possibly mean for non-English speaker?

Re:Nice indeed, but... (2, Insightful)

ProfessionalCookie (673314) | about 7 years ago | (#18760723)

Internet Explorer works decent enough for the average user
For me it's always been that Internet Explorer doesn't work for the developer .

The reason it works well enough for the average user is that we developers make it work by piling on hacks and generally jankie code. I'm fat because I eat and I eat because I'm fat.

I just wish there was a way to break the vicious cycle of IE usage quicker.

Wrong question (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759661)

Who cares about browser usage in the third world? If the question were "why is the US becoming a third world nation" you would get a more informed answer.

Re:Nice indeed, but... (4, Interesting)

mr_matticus (928346) | about 7 years ago | (#18759675)

You think a country full of people who don't care about an illegal war in Iraq, the abuse of our rights at the (blatant and unveiled!) hands of our president, or any apparent concern for the finer points of logic and reasoning would actually give a crap about what browser they use?

Their computers come with Internet Explorer, and it's good enough. They're not going to embrace Firefox just for the sake of it, because they're entirely apathetic about almost everything to begin with.

We Americans haven't had to fight for anything or even really compete. Students don't have to learn, and people readily embrace each other when a Wikipedia link makes them think they're experts on legal and business processes (*cough*implied warranties*cough*). Complacency explains a lot, including the relatively slower uptake of Firefox.

Re:Nice indeed, but... (1)

seaturnip (1068078) | about 7 years ago | (#18760013)

You think people who care about an illegal war in Iraq, the abuse of our rights at the (blatant and unveiled!) hands of our president, or any apparent concern for the finer points of logic and reasoning would actually give a crap about what browser they use?

Attention Dumbshit Moderators (5, Insightful)

mr_matticus (928346) | about 7 years ago | (#18760175)

It's not a trolling post just because you don't like it or because you don't understand it.

Complacency and apathy is exactly the sort of reason why Microsoft still commands the desktop and why people aren't switching over to superior products like Firefox. It's also the reason why alternative fuels are struggling to take off (fossil fuels are still profitable for producers and cheap for consumers) and why it takes near-catastrophe for the United States to enact appropriate social and environmental policy.

Since I am an American, you can take your indignation at my criticism and shove it.

Re:Nice indeed, but... (1)

jZnat (793348) | about 7 years ago | (#18760275)

Well, mod the above post +1 Mods on crack. He's totally right; far too many of my fellow Americans are apathetic towards pretty much everything. Sure, we've probably got more sympathetic Americans than there are citizens in several European countries, but the majority of us here in the US are depressingly apathetic.

Re:Nice indeed, but... (2)

Zach978 (98911) | about 7 years ago | (#18760439)

Their computers come with Internet Explorer, and it's good enough. They're not going to embrace Firefox just for the sake of it, because they're entirely apathetic about almost everything to begin with.

I'm an American computer geek, and I can't figure out why anyone (geek or civilian) would embrace Firefox. I don't think Firefox has many advantages over IE anyway. I use Opera, and when on a lab computer with Firefox/IE I can't tell a difference in performance between the two...

Re:Nice indeed, but... (1)

mr_matticus (928346) | about 7 years ago | (#18760635)

Because Microsoft is evil and Americans are flawless, of course. We must find a way to reconcile the two! The numbers must be lying!

Incidentally, I mainly replied to smile at your division of people into geeks v. civilians. :)

Re:Nice indeed, but... (5, Funny)

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Re:Nice indeed, but... (2, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | about 7 years ago | (#18760037)

How do you figure the US is lagging behind?

Look at the guys map, South America, and surprisingly - Asia, seem to have the slowest uptake.

The map doesn't have US specifically, but go ahead and assume that North America means USA only. We don't pay much attention to mexico or canada either.

A small victory (4, Interesting)

hansamurai (907719) | about 7 years ago | (#18759531)

I'm impressed with Slovenia and Finland at over 40% penetration. Though they're relatively small countries population wise, the Firefox teams have really made a substantial impact there. These successes are what it really takes for people to notice Firefox in the mainstream. 40% probably puts them near the share Internet Explorer has locally which is definitely a great step. The article also shows Australia at 25% which is awesome. Great numbers all around, keep up the great work.

Re:A small victory (3, Interesting)

uni4dfx (1078287) | about 7 years ago | (#18760407)

I am from Slovenia and proud of this. I think the reason why Firefox is so widespread here is in current high popularity of broadband internet - yes, we have broadband, in fact I'm writing this using a 10Mbit VDSL connection, and believe it or not, I'm getting FTTH somewhen next month which is very cheap by the way. Also, our schools have also contributed largely to spreading of Firefox. I do not think I know a school where they wouldn't use FF. What is best of all, the number of Firefox users is still rising. As for IE, it is becoming a minority - consider we also use browsers like Opera, IE is surely below 50%.

Two important questions... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | about 7 years ago | (#18759569)

1. It mentions 96,000+ web sites were monitored for the purpose of determining this. What were they? Were they evenly distributed by raw population? By internet-using population?

2. Does this survey make any attempt to take into account 'individual PC users' vs. 'internet cafe' users? i.e. Is this percentage of COMPUTERS or percentage of USERS? (Or, more likely, percentage of individual web hits?)

I can't find any technical details on how this survey was conducted, other than the slight mention of number of websites involved.

Re:Two important questions... (4, Insightful)

Timesprout (579035) | about 7 years ago | (#18759659)

Another question,and this is not a troll.

For years many OSS and Firefox proponents have claimed that MS crippled the web and killed innovation with IE. Now that the IE monopoly is crumbling whats changed? I dont use either browser and frankly my browsing experience is the same as it has been for the last few years. Wheres all this innovation I was told I was missing?

Re:Two important questions... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759825)

We aren't held back by everybody using Internet Explorer. We are held back because enough people use Internet Explorer. Even if only one in ten people use Internet Explorer, that's enough to force the average website to ensure compatibility.

Furthermore, it's a vicious circle. If web developers aren't taking advantage of nifty things like SVG, then there's far less pressure on browser vendors to incorporate these features.

Re:Two important questions... (1)

noobishness (1048406) | about 7 years ago | (#18759957)

Then there are the companies that write incompatible code for IE only and simply say "You must use IE to view this page." XM Radio's account management feature was one (though it's gotten marginally better), and Netflix's streaming movie service is another.

Re:Two important questions... (1)

robzon (981455) | about 7 years ago | (#18760089)

I've been using Firefox since 0.7 release and I can assure you that a lot has changed. Developers actually started to care about web standards and compatibility. Back then there was a lot of IE-only web sites that used MS "extensions" or bug workarounds. Now that standard compliance is somewhat enforced we can have better AJAX-enabled web sites for example. We have SVG coming (FX and Opera already support it pretty well, IE lagging behind). Firefox 3.0 will have a renderer fully based on vectors (gecko 1.7 AFAIR). Fx3.0 will also have a native support for OpenID (I'm not really sure on that one tho). There were many big and small improvements over the past few years, and the best is still to come.
Firefox also had a great impact on security, but it's a bit off-topic.
cheers

Re:Two important questions... (-1, Troll)

Timesprout (579035) | about 7 years ago | (#18760531)

Back then there was a lot of IE-only web sites that used MS "extensions" or bug workarounds
I see some Firefox only sites now and I think they suck as hard as the IE only ones did so no change there.

Now that standard compliance is somewhat enforced we can have better AJAX-enabled web sites for example
Ajax, generally attributed to MS as concept and first implementation has been around for years and while you can do some nice things with it, the wisdom of dumping large amounts of Javascript onto the client is debatable.

We have SVG coming (FX and Opera already support it pretty well, IE lagging behind)
Again, SVG has been around since the 90's and really not likely to revolutionize the web at this stage.

Firefox 3.0 will have a renderer fully based on vectors (gecko 1.7 AFAIR)
I can still remember being told years ago by the Mozilla people that Gecko and XUL was going to rule computing platforms. I'm not holding my breath at this point.

Fx3.0 will also have a native support for OpenID
Personally I felt Passport and Liberty were a bad idea in the first place and the same applies here.

So basically nothing all that new or revolutionary, just some small incremental improvements.

I must be ignorant (5, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | about 7 years ago | (#18759577)

Whats Oceania? I thought it was a made-up supernation from Orwell's 1984.

Firefox is fast becoming newspeak for "web browser".

Re:I must be ignorant (1)

r_cerq (650776) | about 7 years ago | (#18759657)

*grin*

Ok, what did you think the continent Australia is in was called? :)

Re:I must be ignorant (5, Funny)

IthnkImParanoid (410494) | about 7 years ago | (#18759745)

It's called Australia, after the only nation of any importance on it. Sort of like "America", but slightly less kick-ass.

:p

Re:I must be ignorant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759937)

Australia is full of sheep shaggers.

Where do you think the velcro glove came from?

Australia (2, Interesting)

esme (17526) | about 7 years ago | (#18759773)

I know there are some different opinions [wikipedia.org] about how many continents there are and what they're called. But most Americans consider Australia to be its own continent, and count all of the other islands as part of Asia. In fact, in American questionnaires about race, you will see the category "Asian/Pacific Islander".

Re:Australia (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759989)

> But most Americans consider Australia to be its own continent

That's just demonstrating the ignorance of Americans. Australia shares land borders with several other countries, such as Queensland to the north and Victoria to the south. Calling the whole continent "Australia" while ignoring the contributions of the other countries on the continent, Oceania, just because they're not populated by westernised whites is a combination of political supremism and just plain ignorance.

Re:Australia (0)

zCyl (14362) | about 7 years ago | (#18760455)

Australia [google.com]

Oceania [google.com]

And according to the wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org] as of today, the definition of what is called "Oceania" varies quite a bit, and sometimes doesn't even include Australia. There's no sense in calling people ignorant and racist when major information sources indicate that it is a non-standard or poorly standardized term.

Re:Australia (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about 7 years ago | (#18760149)

I know there are some different opinions [wikipedia.org] about how many continents there are and what they're called. But most Americans consider Australia to be its own continent,

Because they are taught that way in school.
I just point that out as whether Americans really consider 'Australia' a continent is not so much a question of how they personally perceive the divisions of the landmasses, but rather what they have been told is "correct". When I was younger, I questioned Europe being a separate continent. It seemed to me Europe was Western-most quarter of Asia actually.

Re:Australia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18760479)

What I learned in school in Europe was that Europe is not a continent; it's a... "world part". Eurasia is the continent. Oceania is a continent too. America is divided into two continents. This is apparently the most geologically correct view, but is still only one of many popular conceptions. In the olympic games logo, for example, the rings symbolize America (as one continent), Europe, Asia (as two continents), and Africa. It's confusing, but I hold that the common geological view is the most logical. Wow. What a strange thing to discuss.

Re:I must be ignorant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759867)

Ok, what did you think the continent Australia is in was called? :)

"Australia"

Re:I must be ignorant (1)

stratjakt (596332) | about 7 years ago | (#18759907)

It's called Australia throughout North America.

It was called Australia when I went to school in Canada, and it's called Australia in Washington, DC.

Re:I must be ignorant (1)

baryon351 (626717) | about 7 years ago | (#18760059)

It's called Australia throughout North America.
It was called Australia when I went to school in Canada, and it's called Australia in Washington, DC.


It's also called Australia in Australia :)

Re:I must be ignorant (2, Informative)

stuartrobinson (1003887) | about 7 years ago | (#18759723)

Oceania includes Micronesia (e.g., Guam), Melanesia (e.g., Papua New Guinea), Polynesia (e.g., Hawai'i), and Australasia (e.g., New Zealand). It's mostly made up of island nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceania [wikipedia.org]

Re:I must be ignorant (1)

Androclese (627848) | about 7 years ago | (#18760369)

Everything I learned of world geography came from the game Risk, and in Risk, Australia is a continent.

...its also the best place to hole up and defend yourself from attack as you build up your forces to "yuk-a-stuck"...or however its pronounced, so you can attack North America.

Re:I must be ignorant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759777)

Oceania is how most of the world call the continent that contains Australia, New Zealand, and a lot of islands.
I was seriously of upset when I saw this question on are you as smart as a 5th grader (I was zapping, I swear), when they asked how many continents have the same name as a country, and the answer was Autralia...

Re:I must be ignorant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18759869)

Whats Oceania? I thought it was a made-up supernation from Orwell's 1984.

Firefox is fast becoming newspeak for "web browser".
That is an evil Eurasian^W Eastasian lie. Oceania has always existed.

Re:I must be ignorant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18760101)

Oceania maintains a slight lead over Europe, at 24.8%; the rest of the world trails at 11.9% to 15.1%.
I'm more curious as to what percent of Proles use Firefox.

The numbers for the Netherlands are not surprising (4, Informative)

name_of_feather (1036518) | about 7 years ago | (#18759641)

Remarkably, The Netherlands is only at 13.3%

I don't find that remarkable at all. I lived in the Netherlands for a few years, and one of the things that struck me was how Microsoft-centric the universities were. A huge percentage of the Computer Science students had never even tried an OS other than Windows! (I come from one of those sunny countries in the south of Europe, and that's where I attended university. There, the various flavours of Unix — mainly Linux of course — ruled and continue to rule inside the Computer Science department). Therefore it doesn't surprise me at all that the Dutch are still stuck in the yesteryear of Internet Explorer.

As time passed, I realised that part of the reason for the Dutch situation has to do with a certain spirit of conformity and of "trying not to distinguish yourself too much from your peers". Granted, it has its positive sides — like a fairly equalitarian society — but also downsides like this one.

Re:The numbers for the Britain are not either (2, Interesting)

Marcion (876801) | about 7 years ago | (#18759823)

More technically educated users are more likely to choose Firefox, as less technically educated users can only use what they are spoon fed.

If you look at the map in TFA, it is almost more-or-less a map of how much countries spend on equipping their schools properly and providing decent technical skills to their population. These countries will run ahead within the IT industry of Europe. Sadly my nation (UK) will probably not be one of them.

One by one... (4, Interesting)

frakir (760204) | about 7 years ago | (#18759687)

First IE slowly being replaced by superior FF.
Then Open Office (or less bloated equivalents like Abiword) will come and kick out Word and al from grandma computers. Then average Joe will not be able to watch his movies on Vista and noone will have a copy of XP handy. So his 12-year old will install Ubuntu.
And wmv and other non-open formats will die, too. People are getting burned by DRM tricks and lock-ins.

Well... I like to dream.

Re:One by one... (1)

blhack (921171) | about 7 years ago | (#18760251)

this is already happening to an extent. At work, when we get a new batch of dells in and they forget to send us the Microsoft Office CDs with the product key code, in goes the OpenOffice. Its free, and in my opinion, better than MS office.

Re:One by one... (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | about 7 years ago | (#18760573)

It is happening, and in that order.

Firefox has the lowest "risk of looking stupid".
"Go on, click the Red Fox instead of the Blue E..."
"Gee, it loads webpages... just like Internet Explorer??!!!!"
"Yep... Now let's just put the Fox right on top here where you can find it, and the Blue E down there in the corner..."

Open Office is a little harder, because many programs insist on proprietary export interfacing to MS Project or Excel. But 2 licenses of Excel and 25 users on Open Office works pretty well here.

Linux is the really tricky one, because of the often mentioned Management Nervousness. I think it's better to let one power user who knows the stuff to "just use it", with ZERO promotion, and let the mindshare do its thing.

Re:One by one... (1)

oyenstikker (536040) | about 7 years ago | (#18760779)

OpenOffice.org is also harder because it simply is not as good as Microsoft Office. I use it daily, it is just clumsier and buggier than MS Office.

Languages? (4, Insightful)

RealGrouchy (943109) | about 7 years ago | (#18760241)

Could it have anything to do with how easy it is to get Firefox in your local language?

Correct my North-American egocentrism, but aren't most of the countries listed predominantly non-English speaking?

- RG>

Re:Languages? (2, Informative)

sznupi (719324) | about 7 years ago | (#18760361)

Irrelevant - IE is also localised, so is Opera (BTW, alternative browsers combined for my place, Poland, are close to 50% now...)

Re:Languages? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18760667)

Just about any list of nations will be predominantly non-english.

Hmm.. correlates to Software Freedom Day (2, Interesting)

QuantumG (50515) | about 7 years ago | (#18760247)

If you look at the number of teams to population size for Software Freedom Day (which often involves people handing out CDs with Firefox and other free software) you'll see some correlation to these usage stats.

For example, compare the USA [softwarefreedomday.org] (24 teams) with Australia [softwarefreedomday.org] (19 teams). When you consider that the US population is over ten times bigger than Australia's population (298,444,215 vs 20,264,082), is it any wonder that Software Freedom Day is more effective in "Oceania" than it is in the US?

Not to mention the cultural differences in accepting software from random people on the street in the US, Europe and Australia.

Rabid fanbase (-1, Flamebait)

Jalwin (1082419) | about 7 years ago | (#18760269)

Why do the more rabid users of Firefox/Linux/etc always look down upon the people who use IE/Windows/etc? Who cares what people use there is not a CLEAR choice that is superior in every way. So it is opinion not fact.

Re:Rabid fanbase (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18760527)

Why do the more rabid users of Firefox/Linux/etc always look down upon the people who use IE/Windows/etc?

For the same reasons that your fellow music fans look down on you for listening to the Beegees. For the same reasons that people who drive a Toyota Prius feel better about their own morality when they see you in your Hummer. For the same reasons that your story about getting a great deal at Walmart says things, to them, about you, but not so much about your thrifty savvy.

I'm not mad at you for using IE. It's a comfort to me, in fact, that the great unwashed exists, because it makes my impeccable standards-compliant hygiene worth all the gruesome effort.

Also, that shirt? Very chic, in a Ricky Bobby sort of way. If I were you, I wouldn't give a damn what Stacy and Clinton have to say about it.

Goodie (0, Offtopic)

GFree (853379) | about 7 years ago | (#18760355)

With any luck, future generations will have no memory of that horrible, horrible abmoniation called Internet Explorer.

In 2101, war was not beginning...

Clerk: (looks at sheet, decides on changes)

Clerk: Internet 2.8.01 reporting bb explorenet doubleplusungood refs unperson rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling

sShi7? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18760395)

morning. Now I have

W(here)tf (1)

towsonu2003 (928663) | about 7 years ago | (#18760607)

W(here)TF is Turkey? They might have problems with censorship and stuff, but they're part of Eastern Europe... And these guys already got many comments about Turkey being part of Europe.

Germany 36.2% - yet Seibel web apps are msie only (2, Interesting)

walterbyrd (182728) | about 7 years ago | (#18760619)

I know Seible is owned by Oracle now, but not for that long.

Where I work, we use a web-based Seible product called crmondemand. It will only work correctly with MSIE. The Firefox MSIE plug-in doesn't help.
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