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Google To Add Presentations

kdawson posted about 7 years ago | from the looking-office-like dept.

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A number of readers (some from the audience at Web 2.0 Expo) wrote to let us know that Google is adding presentations to their Docs and Spreadsheets package. With the announcement the company revealed that they have purchased Tonic Systems to help with the new presentation software. It's expected to be ready by summer. Google's CEO Eric Schmidt was asked if Docs and Spreadsheets will compete with MS Office, and he said, "We don't think so. It doesn't have all the functionality, nor is it intended to have the functionality of products like Microsoft Office."

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Won't work (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18775893)

99% of the time most people use the "standard" features of MSOffice. GOffice will be fine with this. Unfortunately, for the 1%, everyone uses a different piece of advanced functionality and get annoyed that THEIR pet feature is missing. Good to have an alternative with intarwebbiness built in though I guess.

Re:Won't work (0, Troll)

homeobocks (744469) | about 7 years ago | (#18776449)

Way to summarize what Joel Spolsky wrote years ago.

Re:Won't work (1)

renegadesx (977007) | about 7 years ago | (#18776725)

1000's of people have been saying that same thing for years now.

Microsoft accuses OpenOffice of being on the level of Office 97 and SJVN writes "yeah, it works?"

Re:Won't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776587)

And then there are those of us that don't use "office" software at all.

Re:Won't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776695)

Yeah. Isn't "office" an emacs mode or something?

Re:Won't work (4, Interesting)

cmacb (547347) | about 7 years ago | (#18776841)

The question is, once large organizations figure out (if they are actually interested in saving money let's say) that this one percent phenomena exists, how valuable will it be for them to buy everyone in the organization a $200+ piece of software "just in case" they need it?

The more appropriate response will be for Office to be looked upon in the same way that a compiler is, something that just a few people, specialists, need to have a copy of, while everyone else can make use of much simpler web-based alternatives.

As people start to use "Google Office" at home for its ease of sharing documents, etc, the same argument that made Office a standard will start to apply to Google Apps: "Hey, all these people right out of school already know Google Apps, let's just standardized on that so we don't have to teach them Office".

I don't think I've run MS Office in three years, and my use of Open Office is starting to fall off quite a bit as I just load things people send me into Google Docs from the get-go. I'm also noticing that the only thing I'm storing on my PCs are music files and photos, with more and more photos being stored online as well. This is great!

Re:Won't work (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | about 7 years ago | (#18777209)

The more appropriate response will be for Office to be looked upon in the same way that a compiler is, something that just a few people, specialists, need to have a copy of, while everyone else can make use of much simpler web-based alternatives.

You can compile code online, and most people really don't need to do otherwise?

*feels disconnected from the modern world*

Re:Won't work (1)

EnsilZah (575600) | about 7 years ago | (#18777169)

Could be easily solved if Google offered a good API and mechanism for importing plugins.
Missing some features? Check if there are open source plugins or maybe some closed source ones that you can buy for micropayments.

Easier said... (2, Informative)

encoderer (1060616) | about 7 years ago | (#18777417)

That's a lot easier said than done.

I don't know if you've actually USED Docs but the last time I did--about 2-3 weeks ago--it didn't even have find & replace capability. All it had was "replace all" and even that had "experimental" warnings all over it and couldn't be undone.

So saying "All they need is a good API and a mechanism for plugins" when they can't even do find & replace is just a little silly, in my opinion.

Maybe. In about 2 years. At the earliest.

The big question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18775919)

Will google's product cause brain damage?

Re:The big question (0, Redundant)

frosty_tsm (933163) | about 7 years ago | (#18776053)

Only if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

... and get hit in the head with a flying chair.

So... (5, Insightful)

Impeesa (763920) | about 7 years ago | (#18775943)

They wanted to offer a new product, and bought a company to do so? Isn't that sort of a Microsoft thing?

Re:So... (4, Informative)

Sancho (17056) | about 7 years ago | (#18776187)

Depends.

If you want to start offering a product or service, and it's going to cost you more to develop that product/service than to buy a company which already offers it, the choice is obvious.

Re:So... (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 years ago | (#18776215)

Only if they buy them to remove them from competing.
Otherwise it's a sound business move.

Re:So... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776499)

his mind is not for rent, to god or government. - Rush, the musicians, not the fat tard.

I've always wanted to comment on your sig. I'm assuming that you are a fan of Rush, the musicians.

I find it ironic, since both Rush, the musicians, and Rush, the "fat tard," are both admirers of the "philosophy" of Ayn Rand. In fact Geddy Lee and Rush Limbaugh have said the she's a major influence for them. The album 2112 was dedicated to the "the genius of Ayn Rand." You know, the same Ayn Rand that is dismissed as a joke in both literary and philosophical circles.

I like Rush, the musicians, as much as anybody, but they probably ought to leave the intellectual heavy lifting to others. The same goes for oxycontin-boy.

Re:So... (3, Insightful)

xoundmind (932373) | about 7 years ago | (#18777019)

Only if they buy them to remove them from competing. Otherwise it's a sound business move.

Buying them to remove a competitor is a sound business move.

Re:So... (5, Insightful)

Bongo Bill (853669) | about 7 years ago | (#18776241)

The reason Microsoft is so rich is because that strategy works. It should be no surprise that Google behaves similarly.

Re:So... (2, Insightful)

MadnessASAP (1052274) | about 7 years ago | (#18776999)

No, Buying a company that is already in a market your going into is business. Then buying/suing every other company trying to get into or currently in the market is a Microsoft move.

Re:So... (1)

Kuciwalker (891651) | about 7 years ago | (#18777249)

That's where Google Docs came from, too. And Picasa. And Google Earth. It's a pretty Google thing too, which makes all the flak MS catches for it pretty funny.

Lazy employees (4, Insightful)

TodMinuit (1026042) | about 7 years ago | (#18775951)

With the announcement the company revealed that they have purchased Tonic Systems to help with the new presentation software.

What exactly do Google employees do all day? Count money, play pool, and ride Segways?

Furthermore, if this cannot export to PDF or PowerPoint, it's pretty much useless. When giving presentations, Internet access is rarely provided or is flakey at best.

Export (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | about 7 years ago | (#18775991)

Export to ODF. I suspect one of the billion or so people who don't think Office is God's Gift to Whomever will figure out how to go ODF->pdf, or ->flash, or ->DHTML, or something even better.

Re:Export (2, Interesting)

SheeEttin (899897) | about 7 years ago | (#18776143)

Interestingly, I recently noticed that my school has installed OpenOffice(.org) on all the computers--but the shortcuts only appear on teachers' desktops.

At least I don't have to convert to MS' .doc format any more. Just tell them to open it in this "OpenOffice.org thing".

Re:Export (1)

misleb (129952) | about 7 years ago | (#18776269)

So you export to ODF and convert to PDF.... with what? OpenOffice? Why not do the presentation in OpenOffice in teh first place and have a much richer presentation?

-matthew

Re:Lazy employees (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776021)

OpenOffice exports to PDF (or Flash).
I imagine it won't be hard for them to do the same.

Re:Lazy employees (4, Informative)

Matt Perry (793115) | about 7 years ago | (#18776097)

Furthermore, if this cannot export to PDF or PowerPoint, it's pretty much useless. When giving presentations, Internet access is rarely provided or is flakey at best.
I'm sure it'll export to both. I've been using Google Docs and the word processor can export to HTML, RTF, MS Word, OpenOffice Writer, and PDF. The Google spreadsheet can export to CSV, HTML, OpenOffice Calc, PDF, plain text, and MS Excel.

Re:Lazy employees (2)

HockeyPuck (141947) | about 7 years ago | (#18776117)

PDF doesn't always cut it as one often uses animations.

Re:Lazy employees (4, Insightful)

brilinux (255400) | about 7 years ago | (#18776525)

But we do not yet have the technology to have computers electricute or shoot people who want to use animations in presentations, so the best that the programmers can do is disallow the presentations from being exported to filetypes that allow animations, hence pdf.

Re:Lazy employees (2, Informative)

UtucXul (658400) | about 7 years ago | (#18777253)

PDF doesn't always cut it as one often uses animations.
I use animations in pdfs (made from LaTeX) for all my presentations [umd.edu]. pdfanim [uni-bremen.de] is pretty damned reliable. Sadly the results don't quite work with xpdf at the moment, but Acrobat or Acrobat Reader have been available for every talk I've given.

Re:Lazy employees (4, Interesting)

ampathee (682788) | about 7 years ago | (#18776141)

I'd like to see it use the s5 [meyerweb.com] format - then it could be saved as html+css.
Take a look at the introductory presentation [meyerweb.com] - it's pretty neat especially considering it's all standard html+css+js.

Re:Lazy employees (2, Informative)

Petrushka (815171) | about 7 years ago | (#18776145)

Furthermore, if this cannot export to PDF or PowerPoint, it's pretty much useless.

Where does the information that it can't export to PDF or PowerPoint format come from? I can't find that in TFA. Google Documents and Spreadsheets can certainly export to MS Office, OpenDocument, PDF and other formats, so it would certainly surprise me if this couldn't too.

Re:Lazy employees (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18777045)

I don't think "if" means what you think it means.

Re:Lazy employees (1)

Petrushka (815171) | about 7 years ago | (#18777225)

"If" can be a lot more nuanced than you think. There are numerous types of conditionals, the main categories being "simple" ("If A is true, then B is true") and "contrary to fact", also known as "unfulfilled" ("If A were true, then B would be true, but A is not true"). The ggpp's sentence is clearly of the first type (its avoidance of the subjunctive is not the determining factor, as people rarely use the subjunctive in English; but people do use other similar periphrases for unfulfilled conditions). Moreover, a new paragraph starting, "Furthermore, if ..." carries a clear implication that the premise is not in any doubt: "If it is indeed the case that A is true, then ...". I stand by my comment, though posting this one without a karma bonus as it's off-topic.

Presentation software is different (1)

ukemike (956477) | about 7 years ago | (#18777215)

The point is that presentation software is different from word processing. You need the program to be local on your computer so that you can make the presentation, in someone else's office, and without access to the net. For this to be useful, at the very least, google will have to make the slideshow part of this program available to live on your local PC. Maybe something analogous to Adobe Reader.

I do training frequently and use powerpoint as one of my tools. The laptop that I use most often doesn't even have wireless networking, because it doesn't need it. Often I train in places where the internet wouldn't be available at all without major hassles. I hope that google gets it right.

Re:Lazy employees (1)

thrawn_aj (1073100) | about 7 years ago | (#18776149)

What exactly do Google employees do all day? Count money, play pool, and ride Segways?
They don't hire the best graduates to do trivial things like make office suites :P. There are programmer drones to do that kinda stuff. Besides, the concept is so old now that the last ounce of novelty has been squeezed out of it. It would be like hiring a Beethoven to write elevator muzak :D.

Re:Lazy employees (1)

na641 (964251) | about 7 years ago | (#18776941)

Once again my karma will limit the amount of people who read this comment but...

Before MS stole the word processing market years ago, i'm sure plenty of people felt the way you do, however they were proven wrong. They hire the best graduates to do exactly that; innovate and progress the market. To say there is no room for improvement goes against everything the industry stands for. Wait until the next big thing in the office market comes along, and soon we'll all be talking about how we can't live without the feature(s).

Internet access...where? (0, Offtopic)

LinDVD (986467) | about 7 years ago | (#18776421)

You said:"Internet access is rarely provided or flakey at best"

Could you please elaborate a bit further? You see the problem I have with your statement is I am now using EV-DO via my smart phone for high speed wireless broadband in major metropolitan areas, tethered to my machine here (PDA net). My plan is currently via US Sprint, although you can also go with Verizon and Cingular/AT&T has their own system called 3G. I can tell you from personal experience that EV-DO from my place here is 450 kilobit/sec download-anything but flakey and in select cities, like San Francisco EV-DO is even faster, supporting up to 1 megabit/sec download.

Oh and the upload speeds are lighting quick too, exceeding 150 kilobits/sec most of the time.

The fee? $15 a month-unlimited data, on top of a voice plan which is $40 per month (450 minutes), and if you run out of minutes, just use Skype...so using Google's stuff isn't so bad, really, depending on where you are in the country.

Re:Internet access...where? (0, Flamebait)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | about 7 years ago | (#18776795)

"the country"??

I Think you mean you mean the country where you currently are (USA).

This may be news to you, but the world is a little bigger than that. Get used to it.

Re:Lazy employees (2, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | about 7 years ago | (#18776571)

From what I understand from rumors heard before the departure of Dennis and Alex, formally of Google's Dodgeball [dodgeball.com], they are tied up in endless meetings and conference calls rather than having the opportunity to work on their project.

Second Amendment Threat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776657)

"Freedom is untidy." [cnn.com] —Donald Rumsfeld

Remember, kids: Violence and mayhem is proof of our nation's greatness. May the liberal antigun peaceniks never rob us of our untidy freedoms.

Re:Lazy employees (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776691)

What exactly do Google employees do all day?

Delete spamblog links from Google search results and take turns washing the company jet.

interviewing candidates (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776993)

What exactly do Google employees do all day? Count money, play pool, and ride Segways?

Based on my former experience at Google, I would say you have to add "interviewing candidates" to your list of tasks that employees spend a significant amount of time on.

Re:Lazy employees (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | about 7 years ago | (#18777205)

When giving presentations, Internet access is rarely provided or is flakey at best.
I disagree. Anyone who comes to my company to present gets internet access. And practically every time my people have gone somewhere else they're provided internet access. And if there is a computer in the presentation center already it most likely will have internet access.

That doesn't mean that this product doesn't need export capabilities, I'm just arguing against your internet comment (:

Do you want it to replace MS Office? (0, Redundant)

stratjakt (596332) | about 7 years ago | (#18775963)

Googles gettin a lil big for their britches. I think its time to turn a good hard cynical eye towards everything they do.

Re:Do you want it to replace MS Office? (3, Interesting)

grantek (979387) | about 7 years ago | (#18776001)

"We don't think it'll compete with Office - we just want the customer base that uses it"

Re:Do you want it to replace MS Office? (3, Interesting)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | about 7 years ago | (#18776199)

"We don't think it'll compete with Office - we just want the customer base that uses it"

Got it in one. Add this to the commercial domain packaging Google is offering and it looks like the platform for a lot of small businesses. $50/user/year and you can throw away all your departmental Microsoft servers. If you get controlled logins, Gmail, Writely, spreadsheet and presentation as well as a portal with your own domain name, why bother with Microsoft? Oh and you can throw away all the operations support structure and those dusty MCSE's as well. That's gotta save you more than $50/user/year, and you get a reliable platform too. I mean, it isn't like Google doesn't have a bit of redundancy here & there.

I'm an old and dusty MCSE/network engineer too and I don't see why a small business needs that kind of infrastructure or expertise any more than you should have a television engineer in your home to switch channels for you.

I was once a Microsoft shill until I discovered my inner Fear of Flying Chairs...

Re:Do you want it to replace MS Office? (1)

Petrushka (815171) | about 7 years ago | (#18776823)

... and I think they've made a pretty good start. I'm now finding that my students are e-mailing assignments to me (which they're not supposed to do, but that's another story) in OpenDocument format. That in itself tells me they're not using MS Office. But what's more, the layout in the document makes it pretty clear that they weren't using OpenOffice either -- all the manual line-breaks look suspiciously like ... a web interface, maybe?...

Re:Do you want it to replace MS Office? (2, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | about 7 years ago | (#18776247)

I agree. Complain all you want about MS, I have a legal copy of Office (2000) on my computer and they can't take it away. I can save the files on my hard drive (in a variety of formats), and I can open files I created years ago. What if google cancelled Google Office? You're fucked. Or if they get busted on patent infringement. Or if they wreck the program with dubious features? (MS isn't the only one that does that). Yes, let's give the company complete control over our office documents. They promised not to be evil.

Re:Do you want it to replace MS Office? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776323)

A tin foil hat... supporting microsoft? Something's wrong here... something's horribly, horribly wrong.

Re:Do you want it to replace MS Office? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776565)

So, you chose to ignore the benefit of having presentations web acessable from anywhere with a simple login? Why?

Yes, let's give the company complete control over our office documents.
Yet you have no problem giving microsoft complete control over your office documents? Remember office 97? Planned obsolescence. Its microsoft's business model.

What if google canceled Google Office? You're fucked. Or if they get busted on patent infringement. Or if they wreck the program with dubious features?
Yes, what if google's nearly immaculate track record of making intelligent business dealings is no indication of what they will do in the future. Yet you still like the software from the company that does all of what you just stated?

Microsoft will not sell XP February of 08?
Patent Infringement on Firefox Developer's Tabbed Browsing?
Microsoft office bugs are "features"?

Re:Do you want it to replace MS Office? (1)

Atlantis-Rising (857278) | about 7 years ago | (#18776911)

When did firefox get a patent on tabbed browsing, pray tell?

Because there's TONS of prior art there. I would hardly call that 'patent infringement', as any patent so issued is obviously defective.

Re:Do you want it to replace MS Office? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776577)

Well good for you. For everyone else who wants a basic document editor for free with great collaboration, there's Google Docs. So what if Google cancels it or for some strange reason it goes down - as long as you've kept a local copy you can still use your favourite editor with the format Google exports (which is PDF, txt, rtf, & doc I believe).

No, Google is pissing me off. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776329)

Open Office is a fine replacement. For office. Google you want to kill microsoft? Build a web app that kills Quicken/Money and ultimately Turbo Tax et al with secure banking. Gnucash is trash. I'm sorry, I'm sure a lot of people worked very hard on it, but it is. The spreedsheet and wordprocessor apps are of extremely limited functionality, fine, Open Office is pretty rich, runs nearly anywhere. Kill the things which pin people to Microsoft. Office applications aren't one of those things anymore.

Re:No, Google is pissing me off. (1)

dinther (738910) | about 7 years ago | (#18776851)

Oh yeah, hear hear. Good one.

I have been hoping, paying...no not praying.....hoping that Google would pickup money management and even accounting, why not tax forms and the like. I have switched over to Google completely. I abandened my spam infested Outlook, no longer use my legal copy of Word and excell and no matter where I go, I always have my entire office with me (If there is Internet that is)

Lol, Don't keep the contact details of your ISP in your GMail address list because you can't call em when there is a connection problem. It really illustrates the point.

Add Quickbooks to that list (1)

transporter_ii (986545) | about 7 years ago | (#18776867)

Some people might get huffy and puffy at work if we swapped to Open Office, but I bet we would be able to manage it. But what would keep us on Windows is Quickbooks and our Remote Desktop server.

A good Quickbooks replacement that wasn't even free but ran on Linux, would go a long way toward us being able to ditch Windows.

Transporter_ii

I don't get it (5, Insightful)

geek (5680) | about 7 years ago | (#18776029)

First Apple says they don't want their office app to compete with MSOffice, now Google says they don't want to compete with MSOffice. When will someone man up and compete? OpenOffice is nice but it has a HUGE number of flaws still. We NEED competition here.

Re:I don't get it (0, Redundant)

QuantumG (50515) | about 7 years ago | (#18776087)

You mean other than Star Office / OpenOffice.Org?

I admit, it would be nice if someone would compete by not making something as bloated as Office.

But then we'd all just complain that it was lacking in features.

Competing with MSFT (0, Troll)

stratjakt (596332) | about 7 years ago | (#18776127)

I know what I mainly need from an "office suite" is just a good word processor, one that doesnt lag 10 keystrokes behind me typing a simple letter.

I don't want to buy or install a whole office suite, just the apps I need. Why does it all have to be bundled with junk I dont care about?

Re:Competing with MSFT (3, Interesting)

misleb (129952) | about 7 years ago | (#18776349)

I know what I mainly need from an "office suite" is just a good word processor, one that doesnt lag 10 keystrokes behind me typing a simple letter.


WTF!? Computers haven't lagged behind keystrokes in like 15 years (although browser based apps chock full of Javascript aim to change that). What are you running, a Mac Classic or something?

-matthew

Re:Competing with MSFT (1)

Asm-Coder (929671) | about 7 years ago | (#18776685)

Obviously you haven't used a unkempt computer in a while. Most of my friends computers are so full of junk, no matter what you are using to type, there is lag. I prefer to keep my computer very clean, virus scans once a week and etc. Also, I noticed that my Linux box never has any problems like this.

But next time remember that not everyone can (or will) take care of their computers.

Re:Competing with MSFT (2, Interesting)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | about 7 years ago | (#18776893)

When I'm editing a 200-page Pages document, I get up to five seconds of lag per keystroke on my G4 Powerbook.

Re:Competing with MSFT (0, Troll)

Tickletaint (1088359) | about 7 years ago | (#18777197)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. In addition, during this file transfer, Safari will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Pages.app is straining to keep up as I type this.

Re:Competing with MSFT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18777301)

What are you running, a Mac Classic or something?
Maybe Vista?

*Ducks*

Re:Competing with MSFT (1)

corychristison (951993) | about 7 years ago | (#18776915)

I know what I mainly need from an "office suite" is just a good word processor, one that doesnt lag 10 keystrokes behind me typing a simple letter.

I don't want to buy or install a whole office suite, just the apps I need. Why does it all have to be bundled with junk I dont care about?
You, my friend, are in need of AbiWord [abisource.com].
I only have experience with it on Gentoo Linux, so I have no idea how it performs on other operating systems. However, the experience I have had with it has been quite pleasant. Especially if all I want to do is create a quick document

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776137)

Saying you're a competitor means that for your product to be considered a "success" it needs to beat the other guy.

It's a perception thing.

Re:I don't get it (1)

java_dev (894898) | about 7 years ago | (#18776537)

Silly rabbit, of course they're competing. This is called positioning. Schmidt is happy to say Google's apps won't have all the functionality that Office has because he knows 80% of it is crap most people don't need.

Re:I don't get it (1)

mysticgoat (582871) | about 7 years ago | (#18776729)

First Apple says they don't want their office app to compete with MSOffice, now Google says they don't want to compete with MSOffice.

This is only their way of saying MSOffice is no longer relevant, that's all.

Re:I don't get it (2, Insightful)

archen (447353) | about 7 years ago | (#18777083)

You mean like Corel Office, or the dozens of other Office Suite carcases left by the roadside in application history? MS has a stranglehold on the entire market right now. As soon as someone brings up Open Office everyone bitches about quirks with importing MS formats - comparisons on its own merits are usually secondary. The reality is that with Microsoft's position, everyone tries to carve out a nitch as best they can and hope that MS doesn't bundle something that further expands its reach.

Re:I don't get it (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | about 7 years ago | (#18777179)

First Apple says they don't want their office app to compete with MSOffice, now Google says they don't want to compete with MSOffice. When will someone man up and compete? OpenOffice is nice but it has a HUGE number of flaws still. We NEED competition here.
By not declaring that they are competing they can not fail to compete. Truth is, their product has the same end result as the Microsoft product - they are competing.

Is it Flash or lots of JavaScript? (1)

VGfort (963346) | about 7 years ago | (#18776109)

Or openlazlo? Powerpoint exports? Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Re:Is it Flash or lots of JavaScript? (3, Informative)

TodMinuit (1026042) | about 7 years ago | (#18776147)

From TonicSystems.com [tonicsystems.com]:

Q. Who is Tonic Systems? What are their products?
A: Tonic Systems is a San Francisco-based company that provides Java presentation automation products and solutions for document management - Tonic Systems Builder, Tonic Systems Filter, Tonic Systems Transformer, Tonic Systems Viewer, and JarJar Links. Features of their products included text extraction for indexing documents, presentation creation capabilities and document conversion tools.

Re:Is it Flash or lots of JavaScript? (1)

beakerMeep (716990) | about 7 years ago | (#18776477)

JarJar Links? really? no seriously, don't kinda around. really. someone named an application that? i mean really? really?

Tonic makes a good product. (4, Informative)

vistic (556838) | about 7 years ago | (#18776225)

I use the TonicPoint Viewer for Mac instead of OpenOffice or Powerpoint... it has way fewer troubles with fonts. If I open a Windows PowerPoint presentation in Mac PowerPoint, I usually end up seeing weird characters instead of bullets in lists... and equations with greek letters, etc. are almost always messed up.

So at least now I believe Google Presently will be a decent product.

I don't care if google is (-1, Flamebait)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | about 7 years ago | (#18776297)

giving away bars of gold and blow jobs.
I have banned access to any and all google IP's and products.
No machine connected to my lan can access anything google has to offer.
Boycott google.
use Clusty --> http://clusty.com/ [clusty.com]

An Access solution would be needed too... (2, Interesting)

not already in use (972294) | about 7 years ago | (#18776333)

...And it wouldn't be hard. Just use an existing OSS database as the back-end solution (mySQL, PostgreSQL comes to mind) and then create a front-end that makes it easy for the layperson to set up tables and create queries, forms and reports. Considering the resources Google has at hand, this wouldn't be too difficult and would have a free stable core already available to them.

But, everyone here says otherwise! (1)

mattgreen (701203) | about 7 years ago | (#18776433)

Odd, everyone here is so certain that GOffice will compete with MS Office. Competition is needed here, but I'm not amused. Surely someone has an explanation? I've been TERRIBLY deceived by all of you!

Excellent, powerpoint has lost its way (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776437)

I recently did a reasonably simple powerpoint presentation on a lower version of the microsoft software and all in all I thought it was great. Still, I think it is silly to have to rely on the system to make deliberations on whether to embed files based on a filesize limit setting in the configuration section.

Unfortunately I did a similar thing last night on a later version and to me it seemed much more of a struggle to do simple things with sound. The UI seems to have gotten worse and the system would not work with an embedded mp3. Now I get the feeling that it doesn't like embedded mp3's - thats fine. It didn't tell me anything though.. it just didn't work. In the end I had to admit defeat and force it to use an external file by manipulating that inane filesize option back down to a low size and readding.

The horror (1)

Mathness (145187) | about 7 years ago | (#18776723)

Q. Who is Tonic Systems? What are their products?
A: Tonic Systems is a San Francisco-based company that provides Java presentation automation products and solutions for document management - Tonic Systems Builder, Tonic Systems Filter, Tonic Systems Transformer, Tonic Systems Viewer, and JarJar Links. Features of their products included text extraction for indexing documents, presentation creation capabilities and document conversion tools.
*shudders* Had a horrible flashback there, read it as Jar Jar Binks.

Google Office Ajax13 (3, Interesting)

popo (107611) | about 7 years ago | (#18776779)

I know Google has the public relations dollars, but one would think on Slashdot we'd be discussing
the many (IMHO far better) online office suites. I have a hard time looking at Google Docs
and thinking anyone would find it compares to say "Ajax13" ( http://www.ajax13.com/ [ajax13.com] ) or other
independent offerings.

Likewise, Google's webtop pales in comparison to far slicker applications like DesktopTwo
( http://www.desktoptwo.com/ [desktoptwo.com] ). -- which by the way uses a web based java version of OpenOffice
which is also slicker than any of Google's office apps.

I'm all for "free" and "freely distributed" web applications replacing the MS Office tax that
we're all forced to pay, but I'm also for the best man winning. And IMHO, Google's not exactly
deserving of the top spot here.

Re:Google Office Ajax13 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18777183)

Where's the "share this document" and "collaborate" features on ajax13?

Features & bugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18776845)

Google's CEO Eric Schmidt was asked if Docs and Spreadsheets will compete with MS Office, and he said, "We don't think so. It doesn't have all the functionality, nor is it intended to have the functionality of products like Microsoft Office."
Does he mean "bugs"?

Google and MSFT and Misdirection (1, Insightful)

TechForensics (944258) | about 7 years ago | (#18776847)

Google's CEO Eric Schmidt was asked if Docs and Spreadsheets will compete with MS Office, and he said, "We don't think so. It doesn't have all the functionality, nor is it intended to have the functionality of products like Microsoft Office."

I like this kind of modest understatement. It understates the threat Google poses to Microsoft. Smart PR move IMHO.

Wild guess (0)

saladpuncher (633633) | about 7 years ago | (#18776991)

I'm going to make a crazy guess here. Google will release product after product until the have almost all of the MS Office Suite covered. Most businesses won't use it though as the idea of putting their files up on some nebulous file cloud spooks them. They don't want corporate secrets in the hands of who knows who. Then Google will drop their bombshell: their office suite will be made to work ONLINE and OFFLINE (and still in a browser!) jumping the final hurdle for a business suite. On an even wilder note they may even release the source code claiming "see, even if we go out of business you can compile it yourself". Their online model will be supported by ads and their offline one will make money by selling support. The sound you hear is a thousand chairs flying into walls.

Re:Wild guess (1)

cecil_turtle (820519) | about 7 years ago | (#18777149)

Yeah I agree except maybe the offline functionality - but I think instead I foresee another Google appliance [google.com] for business use - run your own Google Office server (the "GO" appliance), only $30,000!

fuck google (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18777091)

what do these guys do but copy everyone else? where's the innovation? oh wait... those kind of bitches are reserved for ms alone. sorry.

Wat about wiki and graphs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18777287)

I would like if Google add graph funtionality in their spreadsheet program. Also I have a feeling that google wiki would be a killer application

cu18 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#18777319)

of America (GNAA) lagged behind, p0or dead last The time to meet irc network. The I won't bore you

Hmmm.... Confidentiality? (1)

notaprguy (906128) | about 7 years ago | (#18777413)

Who in their right mind would use this for any presentation that included anything remotely important? I think concerns about confidentiality will make this a hard sell to most corporations - those are the majority of the people who use PowerPoint.
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