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Mandriva Linux 2007 Spring Released

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the fresh-bits dept.

Mandriva 191

AdamWill writes "Mandriva is proud to announce the release of Mandriva Linux 2007 Spring. Download the hybrid live / install One or the purely free / open source software Free. Mandriva Linux 2007 Spring includes the latest software (KDE 3.5.6, GNOME 2.18, Firefox and Thunderbird 2.0) and several major new features: Metisse, the most innovative accelerated 3D desktop technology; open source telephony with WengoPhone; Google desktop applications including Picasa and Earth; updates and improvements to many of the Mandriva configuration tools, and the brand new drakvirt for configuring virtualization; significantly improved hardware support, including greatly improved graphics card detection and support for several common laptop memory card readers; and a brand new desktop theme. Mandriva Linux 2007 Spring is available in the full range of editions, including the freely downloadable One and Free, as well as the commercial Discovery, Powerpack and Powerpack+. For more information see the Spring product page and the Wiki page, where you can find download and installation instructions, the Release Tour, the Release Notes and the Errata."

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Yawn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777405)

Wake me when something interesting happens.

Re:Yawn (1)

Rukie (930506) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777809)

Well what is this with "Metisse"? I haven't heard of it before. I've seen Beryl with XGL/AIGLX and the really cool E17 window themes. Is Metisse a window manager thats picking up some steam here or what?

Yet but.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777415)

Does it run linux?

Re:Yet but.. (1)

Architect_sasyr (938685) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778067)

That all depends on your opinion of the distro and your definition of the word ;)

adverts (0, Flamebait)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777449)

This reads way too much like an advert, can we please stop letting PR people whore shit on slashdot?

(I run Ubuntu, I do know what Linux is and how it is related to Slashdot's theme. I just think these soulless marketing style articles are boring and could be done better.)

Re:adverts (4, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777501)

Let's write our own adds. Post below why you think Mandriva is good. What's its forte. What sets it apart. Why would I choose this distro? Be sure to post a soundbite too. for example "Ubuntu: it's the desktop linux for people who aren't experts". Or Debian "Steady and depandable, and an awesome package (manager)". etc.. Damn Small " Small and fast, in and out quickly".

Re:adverts (5, Insightful)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777617)

Actually.. Mandrake used to be the "desktop linux for people who aren't experts." I remember buying my first copy of it in Best Buy about 7 years ago. Came with a good deal of documentation, and worked pretty well right outta the box. I think it was somewhat of a Red Hat fork at the time (it used RPM, and claimed to use DEB too IIRC, but I don't remember trying anything but RPM.) During the time when Red Hat was a bear to download (at my university connection, it would've taken me weeks to get the ISO) the next version of Mandrake was a quick 2-hour d/l away.

Anyway, I've always found Mandrake easy to configure (with their drake- graphical utilities). In some ways it was easier than Ubuntu. It certainly had a friendlier (though not easier) install process. Drakedisk was the most intuitive, stable, and asthetically pleasing graphical partition manager I've used. It was far better than Ubuntu's offering in that area.

The thing that Ubuntu did better than mandrake enough to make me switch though was package management. Mandrake had OK management, actually, good management for the pay-version, but the free version had to either hack something together to use their freely accessable but intended for-pay package servers or hunt down updates for every package manually.

Re:adverts (1)

ssintercept (843305) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778231)

i too spent 30 bucks at best buy for mandrake 7.2...it was great. came with a huge manual and three discs. its graphical install was good and it actually made me alot more confident and competent with my PC and now i use pc-bsd and damn small (still have a winders box too). i have tried many other flavors since but i remember mandrake and smile.

Re:adverts (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18778269)

Excellent summary. I might add that this is an excellent distribution to give to a family member - the configuration menus are not *too* overwhelming. It's an easy competitor to opensuse 10.2 in the automatic patch management realm, but to be honest I haven't used this current release so I can't speak to the stability of their patch process. Security updates were easily setup and non-intrusive.

The application menu was *horrid*, I hated how everything was laid out. This is the best example I could find quickly of their menus - not that great [mandriva.com] - but I didn't look that hard. But really, that's the worst thing I could say about it. USB devices always detected out of the box, and using other (out of the US) servers to bring in DVD and other 'proprietary' codecs, it was a perfect desktop system.

easyurpmi? (3, Informative)

robbo (4388) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778311)

You've never heard of easy urpmi [zarb.org] ? I just update the mirror and run 'urpmi.update -a'. I've had smooth upgrades all the way from Mandrake 9.2 to Mdv 2007.

Re:easyurpmi? (0, Flamebait)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779701)

d run 'urpmi.update -a'. I'

I dont understand what do you mean by "run 'urpmi.dupa -a '.I

On ubuntu I click on Accessories, then click on Synaptic package manager, then enter my password and click on Select All Upgrades and click OK!

Were do you run those obscure commands? on Firefox? I tried it and I only got to a google search page without any results...

I'm still on Mandriva (4, Informative)

rmm4pi8 (680224) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778093)

Mandrake 8.1 was my first Linux distro, and it's just kept getting better since then, with perhaps the two low spots of 10.0 and 2006.0, both of which very unstable for me--I think the former correllated to bankrupty and the latter to the round of mergers. 2006.0 actually drove me to try Kubuntu (I'm solidly in the KDE camp) which I found very lacking from the perspective of a Mandriva user--difficult to uninstall packages I didn't want (because of the way Kubuntu is really just a package which lists all of the KDE packages as dependencies...), with less good wireless configuration support, a less good partition manager, less good multimedia support, etc.

I am now a full time Linux admin, and while I typically use either RHEL/CentOS or Debian on the server, the few Linux workstations in my company are all running Mandriva. The partitioning tool and hardware support are just the best of any distribution I've tried, and with a quick trip to easyurpmi to set up the external repositories, the userland is the best out there as well. I find PLF way easier to use than all the tricks required to get media codecs and such on Ubuntu.

And I still like it enough that even though I do Linux administration for a living, I still offer free Mandriva email support, which perhaps 10 of you have taken me up on, some of you frequently. Seriously...have a problem, I'll help you out if I can. Nothing against the other distros, but despite its reputation as being for beginners, I haven't found anything about it that's less friendly to experienced admins (for instance, the drak tools don't overwrite hand-edited config files the way SuSE's YaST does). Can anyone tell me what has started the 'less good for experts' tagline, other than that experts don't like to be seen using the distro that all the new users are trying out?

Re:I'm still on Mandriva (1)

tuckerteeth (560608) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779317)

I gotta agree, I've tried several other distros and despite sticking with them long enough to work out what I needed to do to get the setup I desired, they were no way as easy to install, configure and use. All our machines at home run Mandriva 2007 and even the non-technical family members find the distro very stable and user-friendly. I'll be updating to Spring.

Re:I'm still on Mandriva (1)

Nuffsaid (855987) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779665)

it's just kept getting better since then, with perhaps the two low spots of 10.0 and 2006.0, both of which very unstable for me
Ouch, bad luck! Those were the only versions I tried! Maybe that's why Kubuntu is now both on my home and my work PC.

Re:adverts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18778457)

Slackware: Get 'er done Linux. Go ahead, break it.

Re:adverts (2, Insightful)

MisterCookie (991581) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777537)

Like Ubuntu's any better in not spamming adverts? Take a look at digg.com, if it has the word ubuntu in the title, it makes frontpage.

Re:adverts (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777707)

This one was submitted *BY* Mandriva => awilliamson@mandriva.com

Re:adverts (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777721)

I don't read digg, now do I care what happens there. But even so I did not claim Ubuntu was better, was just pointing out I run Linux so it's not some noob whining from his XP box how Linux sucks etc.

Re:adverts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18778039)

You still sound like a whining noob though, some people are interested in new releases of linux, that's why they read /.

hey - mandrake is great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777769)

i used mandrake, what, ten years ago? got a lot of use from it processing photos.
edit / cropping. excellent!!! on a 386 compaq laptop, did a lot at the time.

the french think it through and keep it real.

more excellent linux. yes i know it is confusing, anything but the Borg!

tAKE Care. good luck.

Re:adverts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777793)

You tell 'em, and make sure /. doesn't report as news the release of new versions of any other Linux distributions while your at it, i don't care if Hefty Heffalump or Slutty Salamander have dozens of new features nor do i wish to know when they becomes available for download or what those dozens of new features might be.

If i want to know about new releases of mandrake i use my powers of telepathy to pick up the news directly from the mind of their release manager.

Keep this crap off slashdot, leave room for serious news like Post-It note art!

Re:adverts (1)

dayid (802168) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777909)

Damn, and here for a second I thought I was reading distrowatch....

Re:adverts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18778579)

Funny, I usually don't consider the news about new distro/program releases here as advertisements, but this time I only got to 1/3 of the description until I had to stop reading because it just felt so much as advertising. And when I enter the comments section, what do you know, the first post is about this being advertising...

Re:adverts (1)

escherian (941441) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778645)

Mandriva is based on RPM -> RPM is basically dead -> all people using RPM distros are using APT (Debian) derived package managers. We need to have a common Linux base on Debian (completely free OS) and stop pushing at all levels proprietary and commercial distributions, they have the money to do this and they don't need our help. Please stop this PR (and we all doubt it is free, in fact we are sure someone here - maybe not the poor /. writer - are getting payed). There are over 150 Debian-derived distros out there: write about them...

Re:adverts (3, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778669)

RPM is not 'basically dead'. Mandriva Linux does not use an APT derived package manager. It uses urpmi and rpmdrake, developed in house at Mandriva. Mandriva Linux Free and the GNOME version of Mandriva Linux One are composed of 100% free / open source software and are entirely free to download. We have been producing the Free edition of Mandriva Linux since 1998 and it has always consisted of 100% free / open source software. The KDE version of Mandriva Linux One is free to download but does contain some proprietary drivers for the convenience of those who use them (NVIDIA, ATI, Centrino wireless etc).

Re:adverts (1)

escherian (941441) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778753)

1) RPM IT IS 'basically dead'. Take a look at: https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/rpm-maint/2 007-March/thread.html [duke.edu] nobody is contributing to a RPM site launched with a big fanfare from Redhat. Even your former founder went APT when decided to go alone. "RPM Hell is a common way of referring to it". RPM doesn't allow concurrent version of libraries in a simple way and we can go on with arguments like this ones for a long time. Also if Redhat and Mandriva and Suse are using it, that doesn't mean it's a good system. Most Fedora people use APT and so do many Mandriva and Opensuse users. Their number is increasing. 2) I'm not talking about freeness of Mandriva. I had a very good time when French parliament decided to go with Ubuntu. That's freedom. 3) If you don't switch to Debian base soon you'll die soon. Time will prove it. Switch, soon. 4) RPM distributions are bad for Linux because commercial software producers are doing packages in this format and that's not for a technical reason but only for commercial agreements. We need autopackage-style for commercial software and APT based for free ones. Thats all folks, everybody can judge by them self...

Re:adverts (2, Interesting)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778909)

Well I don't know what you mean by free, then. If you're suggesting Slashdot is taking money to run stories, or something, then no: I submitted this story to Slashdot via the normal submission channels this afternoon. A few hours later, it went up. Nothing else took place whatsoever.

I've met exactly one person in five years using apt on Mandriva. A few more using smart, but still not many.

Otherwise, well - basically, we beg to differ. As you say, time will tell who's right.

Re:adverts (2, Funny)

Library Spoff (582122) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779185)

You run ubuntu?
Mark is that you?

Why? (0, Troll)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777453)

How many desktop distros does the planet need? I can see the need for a few, each customised for a niche with something like Ubuntu probably scooping the lion's share of x86 desktops. Gentoo is for kids who play with matches. Debian for hippies. We need a few distros (well they're not really distros) to cover embedded and a few more for non-x86 hardware (PowerPC etc). How long can the community keep so many distros going?

It seems like an awful waste of talent. Perhaps focusing on fewer distro might get things moving along faster. I'm sure all that infighting and dilution of effort keeps MS smiling.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777491)

It is a bit ironic that you say that, because Mandriva is a consolidation of Mandrake and Conectiva.

Re:Why? (4, Informative)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777513)

It is a bit ironic that you say that, because Mandriva is a consolidation of Mandrake and Conectiva.

Both of which were forks of Redhat, leaving us with two distros where initially there was one.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777531)

RedHat is effectively dead to anyone who doesn't want to pay for a Linux distro. Fedora sucks. I haven't tried "Mandirva" since it stopped being Mandrake, but it was quite good back then. So really, I count one usable distro out of the whole mess.

Re:Why? (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779121)

RedHat is effectively dead to anyone who doesn't want to pay for a Linux distro.

Really? Has Netcraft confirmed this?

El SombreroRojo es muerto. Viva CentOS!

Re:Why? (3, Interesting)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777499)

If they are funding projects like Metisse I think we need more.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777581)

Until you've contributed to open source development, kindly shut the fuck up. You have no idea what you're blathering about.

my dream... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777591)

I'm starting to agree. I've been using Linux since 1995, trying out new distros over the years have been fun, enjoyable, entertaining, and most of all a major learning experience. But now I just want the damn thing to work, the software to work, the hardware to work, etc. And for the most part I do get things working, but imagine all the resources (time, money talent) that are being diverted to thousands (ok, if not thousands then at least hundreds) of different distributions, imagine all those resources being used on just a handful of distributions, imagine what would get done and how far and quickly things would advance.

I understand, projects like Linux (the kernel), KDE, GNU tools, etc are separate. I'm not talking about merging all the open source projects, I'm just talking about all the redundant putting together of all the projects (aka distributions).

Also I know different "flavors" would need to be established, a server edition, business edition, entertainment edition, etc; but they all could be based off the same "core" distribution.

I know it's been talked about, even attempted, but it's my little dream of what "could be" if people in the Linux community came together to work on the big picture.

Re:my dream... (3, Interesting)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777741)

I'm not talking about merging all the open source projects, I'm just talking about all the redundant putting together of all the projects (aka distributions).
This will inevitably happen as "Linux" slowly gets more mainstream and greater desktop market share. What do I mean? Well it isn't going to be "Linux" as the amorphous mass of distirbutions that mainstream users will come to know, but rather a very small handful of distributions. As market share expands it will be that very small handful that will be gaining in audience, while all the other distributions will continue to be the small niche items that they are. Right now, because everything is relatively niche, the difference between "mainstream" and "niche" distributions is not that apparent. Once Linux becomes less of niche desktop OS (and that will happen, just very slowly) the difference will become more clear.

Here's why: (1)

armanox (826486) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777595)

We have Red Hat and Ubuntu for people who want it easy.
We have Debian for those who like a little effort.
We have Linux From Scratch for those who belong in an assylum, or doing obscure platforms
We have Gentoo for all of our cross platform needs (SGI Octane anyone)?
And we have Slackware for those who want to have some help starting up and then do the rest themselves. (Nicer Gentoo).

Re:Here's why: (3, Interesting)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777997)

Simple desktop distros: Ubuntu and Mandriva.
Enterprise-priced server support: Red Hat and SuSE.
Community supported for techies: Debian and Gentoo.
Localized in Chinese: Red Flag.

I wouldn't really consider any of the other distros to be "major" (ignoring non general-purpose PC platforms).

Re:Why? (3, Informative)

solanum (80810) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777607)

Firstly because this is open source and free (as in speech) software*, so people can do whatever they like with it. If I want to release my own Linux distribution it's up to me, I don't need anyone else's permission.

Secondly, I personally rate Mandriva way above Ubuntu, I've used Mandriva for about three times as long as Ubuntu has even existed. After all the hype I did ditch Mandriva for Ubuntu for a while, but it was so frustrating that I switched back. The installer for Mandriva is second to none (whereas Ubuntu wouldn't even let me install grub to anywhere other than the MBR - yeah, I found out later there is another version of Ubuntu that would - yet another download). Also, the admin tools for Mandriva were better and there were more of them and finally, when I tried it Kubuntu was a very poor second cousin to the base Ubuntu (I wanted KDE) and there were all sorts of problems with it. Dunno whether that has changed since they said they would improve KDE support.

*Yeah, I know Mandriva push their commercial versions, but you don't have to buy 'em and all the software is available elsewhere, e.g. PLF.

Re:Why? (1)

Rukie (930506) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777863)

My computer had some troubles recently, turned to be a bad bios (did a firmwapre upgrade and solved the problem) but because I use gentoo and it takes a little longer to install, (had ruined my information in attempting to fix the comp :-D) I installed Kubuntu. Less than 4 hours later, I formatted the harddrive and started to reinstall Gentoo. I couldn't stand the slugishness of KDE with Ubuntu. I looked at the package management system, and it didn't seem to have too much (maybe I wasn't looking around enough?) I wanted some office stuff, but I also wanted enemy territory true combat. It seemed like everything in Kubuntu's package management system was a part of KDE. It upgraded everything real nicely once it was installed, but I couldn't stand the long boot time. To me, I love Gentoo's ebuild system. Portage works so well with over 10,000? or is it 8,000? packages at my fingertips. Emerge xfce4 and I'm set lol. I haven't the chance to try out Mandriva/Mandrake, but with this Metisse thing I might have to check it out. (I've been using E17 a lot recently as well.) In my limited experience, I learned so much more about linux from gentoo's installer and it prepared me to handle most any situation. (Support is amazing!) Suse installs amazingly easy, but that was when I didn't know anything about linux. Once it was up I didn't even know how to install programs hehehe. If Kubuntu has a better package management system than I think it does, then its probably better than Suse for that. Slackware can be a little confusing to install as well. ClarkConnect, (not sure what thats based on, uses RPM's, so redhat?) installs easily but is for pure gateway/firewall use. Again, I think I might find a... 7th harddrive and install Mandriva :-D

Re:Why? (1)

Zantetsuken (935350) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778043)

While I'm still in the stage of trying out distro's and primarily boot to WinXP Pro (games), I recently went from Fedora Core 6 (my CIS *nix courses use Fedora based books) to Debian Etch, the package management seems much nicer than FC. While I've heard that Gentoo's method of building from source lets you leave parts of programs out and can cut down on dependencies - Debian (and .deb based distro's) seems to be able to select unneeded dependencies when you remove packages. Since my primary machine for toying with *nix is my 60GB Laptop drive, with only a 10GB partition for whatever distro I'm going through, it helps save space...

Re:Why? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777823)

How many desktop distros does the planet need? I can see the need for a few, each customised for a niche with something like Ubuntu probably scooping the lion's share of x86 desktops.
But Mandriva eez French! Zer eez no Linux like a French Linux. Mandriva is slim, fashionable, and drinks good wine.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18778991)

Zer eez no Linux like a French Linux. Mandriva is slim, fashionable, and drinks good wine.
How does one drink an emulator [winehq.org] ?

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18779105)

> How does one drink an emulator?

Actually, Wine is not an emulator.

Hmmm. I'm sure I've heard that before somewhere...

why? practice. multiculture. (1)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777885)

All of the distros out there.. pet projects, in-house optimized kernels, serious attempts at desktop penetration - these things are allowing experimentation across a wide range of individuals with a wide range of interests and skill sets.

When several true desktop competitors emerge there will be the richest ecosystem of skilled laborers to draw from that has ever existed in the tech industry. Most importantly, they will not only contribute to what those major competitors are attemptig to achieve, but they will hopefully have tried different methods of achieving similar things, thus allowing Linux to harness the power of multiculture against their monoculture competitors.

Currently consolidation would simply mean uneccesary specialization by people who are more inclined to experimentation.. or trying their hand at directing efforts as they only can in a smaller scope development effort.

Believe me, if Linux possessed all the applications necessary to appease people who are used to other operating environments I would be decrying the number of distros as well. Fact is (and we are only hurt through denying this) we still lack some key components and players that are ubiquitous in the proprietary markets and 'vital' to the satisfaction of most users.

Anyhow, here's to a bright future for open source.

Regards.

Re:Why? (4, Insightful)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777965)

Mandriva is a legitimate zero cost commercially supported desktop Linux distribution. There is only one other distribution in that category: Ubuntu. Having a bunch of distros in the same niche would be redundant, but having two is a good thing. Mandriva is definatly one of the major players, and they have been for a very long time.

Re:Why? (1)

Falladir (1026636) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777999)

Debian is also good for servers. Depending on your level of experience, it can be easier to administer than Gentoo or FreeBSD, and it's definitely quicker to install. The minimal-install footprint is smaller too, I think (I heard ~200 MB in the new release).

Re:Why? (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778009)

Sounds like an excellent question to ask all those other distros who *haven't* been around since 1998. :)

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

dragonturtle69 (1002892) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778011)

About 6 billion distributions would be nice, one for each person on Earth. Change the kernel, change the desktop environment, customize (not just the GUI or settings) your applications as you see fit, and add or remove whatever you wish from the stock distribution. That is why I truly enjoy using Linux. I know that there is some nit picking to be made about what is a "distribution", but I am sure everyone understands what I mean.

To illustrate what I mean:

I wish Mandriva well, and hope that they no longer make the same decisions that led to me formatting that partition. When JRE became a for cost plugin, I left. I have no problem paying for software, but don't charge me to use what someone else is providing for free. There were workarounds, but they left the browser and plugins outside the standard update path. Ubuntu is a nice distribution, along with Kbuntu and friends, but the lack of a root account felt very odd. Maybe I did not give it enough time. I know that, again, there are workarounds. But if I have to work around my OS, why am I using it? At work, its all about Windows. Workarounds make some sense there, since I am being paid. Speaking generally of all OS's, why would I pay for an OS for private use, then work to make it do what I wish, how I wish? Suse and Slackware are my current distributions, with Slackware taking me back to where I started with Linux, ZIPSlack. Knoppix, DSL, and Slax have all played a role with my bootable CD distribution needs. Each of these has strengths and weaknesses. Being able to choose is a strength of OSS and Linux, and why I promote them. If something doesn't work the way that you wish, change it or change your distribution.

Each change was mine to make. I controlled what happened on my PC's and how. If I felt a workaround was either too much work or would break something later, I moved to another that met my needs more closely. Limiting distributions would limit choice.

How many distributions? However many we decide to make!

Re:Why? (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778191)

From the Release Notes: "Mandriva Linux 2007 Spring is the first Mandriva Linux release to have a non-free section in the public repositories. This section, alongside the longstanding main and contrib sections, contains non-free drivers, firmware and some software, including the proprietary NVIDIA and ATI graphics card drivers, firmware for Intel Centrino wireless cards, Java runtime environments 5.0 and 6.0, and more."

Re:Why? (1)

postmortem (906676) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778075)

One would be enough, especially for somethingwith so low market share. If zealots could all work together, surely we wouldn't have RPM/DEB/APT-GET/TAR mess

Re:Why? why not (1)

ssintercept (843305) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778177)

why do we need differing flavors of pop, or more than one car maker, or shampoo? how about if we had one political party? i could go on forever...but why?

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18778321)

As many as those willing to keep creating/maintaining'em. You know, it's the "free market" in the true sense. No one's forcing you to work on them. It's brilliant that Linux distro market is the so vigorous, trying to one-up each other. True, it makes app developer life such a pain, though, but stagnant water go sour.

Re:Why? (1)

Bitmanhome (254112) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778327)

How many desktop distros does the planet need?

Pretty much one per person. It's hard to roll a distro though, so we tend to share many of them.

There's only 12 versions being released here so it doesn't help much percentage-wise, but it's a step in the right direction.

Re:Why? (1)

misanthrope101 (253915) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778389)

How many basketball players or pianists does the world need? How many kinds of toothpaste? How many models of athletic shoe do we need, for the love of God? There isn't a central job giver-outer that tells people what to do with their time.

With something as interesting and configurable as GNU/Linux, many people are going to tinker and come to the conclusion that the distros out there don't meet their needs, and some of them are going to develop distros that DO meet their needs, and share them. Some of these will be one-man shops, and some will have large communities form around them. People do what they find interesting and rewarding in some way. Why should that be different than all the rest of human existence?

Metisse seems like a novelty. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777457)

I just tried out this Mandriva release. And I have to say, Metisse seems like nothing but a novelty. It lets you do some flashy things with your application, but really doesn't offer much beyond that. After about 30 minutes of trying out its various features, all I could really say was "Meh."

Way back when, when X11 window managers started offering virtual desktops, you could find your productivity increasing immediately. It was such a simple idea, yet so powerful. You'd think that we'd find the same with something like Metisse. But that just isn't the case. It really doesn't increase productivity, and instead consumes a great deal of system resources.

It was interesting to play with it for a little while. But since it doesn't bring anything useful to the table, I don't think I'll continue to use it.

Re:Metisse seems like a novelty. (1)

zsau (266209) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777579)

I played with Metisse a couple of months ago in a beta of Mandriva. It's mostly novelty, but it has some features that I have been wanting for ever.

Zooming out to view all virtual desktops like a fullscreen pagerhas much more value (to me) than a cube—it's essentially Exposé for virtual desktops, except it's actually useful because you always know where everything's going to be.

The ability to rearrange tools in windows so that what you want is where you want it is something I've wanted for ever, although in practice it seems a little too cumbersome to want to do very often.

Various nifty features like being able to partially grey out windows that aren't in focus sounds like it's useless, but if you use focus-follows-mouse it can increase your productivity especially on high resolution screens. Shadows likewise.

Unlike Beryl and Compiz, Metisse actually seems to be based around the idea of increasing productivity.

Re:Metisse seems like a novelty. (3, Interesting)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777685)

Unlike Beryl and Compiz, Metisse actually seems to be based around the idea of increasing productivity.
That's nice to know, because that's not the impression I got from their demonstration videos [mandriva.com] which feature "folding windows", tilting windows at weird angles in 3D, and a weird sort of mirror reflection effect. That's nice to show off what the engine can do, but in principle all the other fancy 3D managers can do those too -- what really interests me is, as you discuss, actually using all that power to add productivity. I agree that the pager [dailymotion.com] looks nice (although the other effects in that video are a little underwhelming in the productivity stakes). The shading effects shown here [insitu.lri.fr] could be used nicely to gray out unfocussed windows which, I agree, might be nice (as long as it isn't carried too far). Still, I'm waiting for people to get bored with the gee whiz effects and the more useful things to start to shake themselves out.

Re:Metisse seems like a novelty. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777767)

Is Metisse open source, or proprietary?

Does it require a graphics card, the way that Beryl seems to (and thus causes Linux to crash on my laptop, a thing which ought not to happen)

Re:Metisse seems like a novelty. (1)

zsau (266209) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777817)

Metisse is free software, of course.

It will use your graphics card acceleration if it can; it ran very nicely for me on my new laptop using modern 32-accelerated Intel integrated graphics. I also tried it on my old laptop which has very old Intel integrated graphics using the i810 driver (nothing like the modern stuff!) and it ran very nicely considering. But on an old desktop with a 32 MB NVidia graphics card with very simple 32 acceleration (I assume it used the proprietry drivers on the Mandriva live cd), it ran like a dog. So for sufficiently old computers it might be desireable to turn acceleration off.

Re:Metisse seems like a novelty. (2, Insightful)

zsau (266209) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777843)

Some of the effects they show in the demonstration videos are actually useful in contexts we're not used to. If you have a tabletop computer with a large screen and people are sitting around it, window rotation could be very practical. (One of the demo videos shows exactly that.)

Some of the weird tilting effects by themselves are completely useless, but if you start dragging text to copy it from a non-topmost window, a window partial obscuring it automatically tilts away so you can see what you're copying. This feels like it'd be one of those features that once you get used to it, it's indispensible. I only tried it for two or three days, so I can't really get

So yeah ... Metisse is both "look at what we can do!" and "these ideas of ours have practical application": A guided search. Beryl and Compiz both seem to be "look at what we can do!": If you shoot enough arrows, one will hit bullseye.

Re:Metisse seems like a novelty. (1)

zsau (266209) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778109)

Some of the weird tilting effects by themselves are completely useless, but if you start dragging text to copy it from a non-topmost window, a window partial obscuring it automatically tilts away so you can see what you're copying. This feels like it'd be one of those features that once you get used to it, it's indispensible. I only tried it for two or three days, so I can't really get

Finishing sentences is overrated when you're hungry at want lunch. I was just going to say I'd only tried it for two or three days, so I didn't really get comfortable enough with it.

As to my final paragraph, it's worth noting that Metisse is a project of HCI researchers working at a University, and Beryl and Compiz are just regular free software projects.

real productivity gain... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777975)

Can only be attained when you know on which virtual desktop you want to go and go there in a fraction of a second using a keyboard shortcut. If you have to look at a pager then click on it, you're wasting time... I'm not criticizing the "oh shiny" pagers/3D desktops etc. but I'm simply saying that if productivity is a concern, then you better organize your virtual desktops in a way that makes sense for you, that you can remember easily, and to which you can switch in no time by using the keyboard (without looking at it of course, otherwise you're also wasting time and you'd be better to take touch-typing lessons).

Why announce this over the other distros? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777469)

I got to admit that Linux is for nerds, I love it. But why is this more interesting then say Sabayon? Leave it to distrowatch, or tell me if some new distro is doing something newsworthy.

still sucking them dicks? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777535)

i'm sure the fags are dancing in the streets over this shit. fudge packing will be going on tonight without a doubt. and of course those filthy faggots are still sucking them dicks.
 
linux is a fags os. fags who like taking it up the ass in the name of free software. cheap bitches.
 
and i'm sure dykes are into it too. fucking homos.

Google Earth is compelling? (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777583)

I mean, cool for Google to make it OSS, but does the availability of Google Earth mean anything from a practical perspective?

Re:Google Earth is compelling? (3, Funny)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777753)

I mean, cool for Google to make it OSS, but does the availability of Google Earth mean anything from a practical perspective?

Well... If you troll Google Earth over the San Fernando Valley (home of the American porn industry), you can spy in on all the outdoor porn shoots.

Re:Google Earth is compelling? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18778437)

It's not open source!

A soft spot... (1)

shoegoo (674914) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777795)

Mandriva (err Mandrake) will always have a soft spot in my heart as my first distro (I think it was 8.0 or 8.1 in the end of 2001). Anyway, it was a fine distro back then and I felt that URPMI never got the credit it deserved. Sure their repositories did not have nearly as many packages as Debian's, but with the official repos coupled with Texstar's, I was always happy. Although I haven't tried Mandriva in years (though I still use the partitioning tool on the install CDs fairly often), the features, screenshots, and community surrounding the distro make it look like it is still a very viable choice for a desktop beginner distro.

/me heads to the Mandriva User Board [mandrivausers.org] for nostalgic purposes...

I like Mandriva and all, but ... (1)

TihSon (1065170) | more than 7 years ago | (#18777837)

I have been a loyal Mandriva user since 8.2, and although I will admit to having had a few flings with various other distros (Suse10.x, (K)Ubuntu) I am still using Mandriva in both my home systems. That said, after reviewing the videos of Mattisse et all I am forced to ask myself ... so what?

I have been seriously considering making the switch to the Isle of Man distro, KDE version, but I have so far delayed for fears my Linux mojo isn't strong enough. When I see what I would consider somewhat ... *ahem* ... lame features like the upside down mirror demo though, well, what can I say?

I like 2007 well enough, but these updates seem somewhat disconnected from what a regular guy like myself would want ... namely a nice desktop in an open architecture.

Don't be afraid to try Kubuntu; I did. Here's how: (1)

KWTm (808824) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778085)

I, too, started out with Mandrake; it was v8.1 that I bought from Wal-Mart. Thank goodness for Mandrake's amazing hardware detection (for its time) that made it so easy to install. I stuck with Mandrake till v10.0-official, but, like another poster said, its package repositories made it hard for me to upgrade: I had to reinstall with each new version because I kept having errors when I just upgraded incrementally. Finally, Kubuntu grew to the point where it overtook Mandrake, and I made the leap. I continue to be satisfied with Kubuntu, even though I'm still using the Long-Term Support version, 6.06; in two days, I will be two versions behind and happily satisfied not running the latest and greatest. As you can tell, I'm not the type to upgrade just for the sake of upgrading. New versions of software packages are available even for distro versions like 6.06 that are not the newest, so don't worry about upgrading the entire distro just to get the latest Firefox.

When you switch over from Mandrake, put your /home directory (and whatever other data you want) on a separate partition, then carve out a new partition to install Kubuntu. (You can use QTParted or something similar.) I made my Kubuntu partition about 3 GB, but lately it has been getting tight, so you might want to assign 4GB to Kubuntu; this includes log messages in /var/log, downloaded Ubuntu packages in /var/cache/apt, and programs in /bin + /usr/bin + /usr/local/bin + /sbin etc. Leave your Mandriva partition alone in case you need to dual-boot back into it (shrink it to about 3GB or something); Kubuntu will let GRUB recognize the Mandriva partition as bootable Linux.

Kubuntu assigns user numbers from 1000 up, but Mandrake uses 500 and up. When I migrated to Kubuntu, I found that all my /home directory files were owned by User #501, but Kubuntu wouldn't recognize any human user with that number. I wrote the following script that you can use to modify Kubuntu to create and recognize user 501:

#!/bin/sh
# Debian uses adduser as a front-end to useradd, so use that to add users

sudo cp /etc/adduser.conf /etc/adduser.conf.0~
# Now, edit /etc/adduser.conf so that LAST_SYSTEM_UID=499 and FIRST_UID=500
sudo bash -c 'sed -e "s/FIRST_UID=1000/FIRST_UID=500/" /etc/adduser.conf.s1'
sudo bash -c 'sed -e "s/LAST_SYSTEM_UID=999/LAST_SYSTEM_UID=499/" /etc/adduser.conf.s2'
sudo bash -c 'rm /etc/adduser.conf && mv /etc/adduser.conf.s2 /etc/adduser.conf'

sudo adduser --uid 501 my_username
sudo usermod -G "adm,admin,audio,cdrom,dialout,dip,floppy,lpadmin, plugdev,scanner,users,video" my_username

To use: first, while still in Mandriva, check what your UID is in the /etc/passwd file. It's probably somewhere 500 to 510 or so. Then, when Kubuntu asks you to create your first username during installation, use something temporary that you won't use again, like temp_admin. Then log in as temp_admin and run the above script. It will modify /etc/adduser.conf to set the max system account number to be 499, freeing 500 and up to be used for human users, just like the way it is in Mandrake. Then it will create an account called my_username (substitute with your permanent account name that you want to use, the one you're currently using in Mandrake; and substitute 501 with whatever user id# you were using in Mandrake) and enroll you in the various groups necessary to make you a sudo-able admin. Re-login as my_username, and you're good to go. Mount your home directory, and you'll have all your data files back.

Best of luck!

Re:Don't be afraid to try Kubuntu; I did. Here's h (1)

ET_Fleshy (829048) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778305)

You could also just `sudo chown {username}:{usergroup} -R /home` to fix the issue w/o all the fuss...

No: what if you dual-boot back into Mandriva? (1)

KWTm (808824) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778427)

You could also just `sudo chown {username}:{usergroup} -R /home` to fix the issue w/o all the fuss...
Not if you want to continue dual-booting into Mandrake. If you chown it, then Mandrake will no longer recognize the files as belonging to the original user. Then you'd have to fuss with Mandriva's user account.

Re:No: what if you dual-boot back into Mandriva? (1)

TihSon (1065170) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778883)

I will be setting up an entirely new system, and I have never been one to dual boot for long. If I do decide to switch, my HD setup ... Mandriva with Ubuntu or Ubuntu alone ... will tell me which method I will use.

Thank you both for the impromptu Linux knowledge increase! :-)

Re:Don't be afraid to try Kubuntu; I did. Here's h (1)

TihSon (1065170) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778857)

Thank you for the script. I will keep it in my system setup files for the day I decide to take the leap.

Oooo! another linux dist. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777847)

Yawn. They're like fucking toadstools after a good rain. OpenSolaris B62? Now that's interesting. FreeBSD 7? Yep, I'd grab it. Mandriva/DeadHat/Gackware/RentOS? Who the fuck, excepting the fanboys, really cares? Boring, Boring, Boring. News that matters, my ass...

Other than that, how does it compare to Vista?

Mandriva == goatse.cx? you decide.

Torrents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18777849)

Direct link to the torrents (from OSNews.com story)

http://torrent.mandriva.com/public/ [mandriva.com]

Ubuntu is screwed. (1)

kahrytan (913147) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778401)


  If more distros like Mandriva include compositing window managers then Ubuntu is royally boned. And it is time for Gnome and KDE to start including some of Beryl, Compiz or Metisse's features into their window managers.

It is the next step in Linux distro evolution.

Re:Ubuntu is screwed. (2, Informative)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778749)

With Feisty.
To install beryl in Kubuntu: aptitude install beryl-kubuntu
To install beryl in Ubuntu: aptitude install beryl-ubuntu

To start beryl, type beryl-manager in a terminal.

That's it.

Re:Ubuntu is screwed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18779115)


  It's to bad Beryl sucks. It is too bloated. And the manager is too complicated. The developers screwed up on Beryl. They added to much useless junk and lack the ability to make it user-friendly to boot.

Re:Ubuntu is screwed. (1)

Asmandeus (640419) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779265)

OK troll, I'll bite.

It's to bad Beryl sucks.
How does it suck?

It is too bloated.
How is it bloated?

And the manager is too complicated.
What? It has everything clearly labeled and sorted into different perfectly sensible sections.

The developers screwed up on Beryl. They added to much useless junk and lack the ability to make it user-friendly to boot.
OK, now I'm positive you've never used Beryl. Which I can pretty much say to just about anyone that tries to criticize Beryl/Compiz/whatever about it's visuals harming productivity and such. You people realize you can turn off (or on) pretty much anything you want? You could just keep on the "expose" feature if you wanted.

What they've brought to the Linux desktop is a great thing. Anyone who tries to say otherwise needs to do themselves a favor and actually try it before speaking up.

I'm sick of Linux (3, Interesting)

tsa (15680) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778591)

I've been using Linux for ten years now and I get more and more disappointed by it. Ten years ago there weren't many user-friendly distros out and I started with Slackware. I'm still very happy my friend dragged me into using that because I am now a savvy *nix amateur. But! During the last ten years I kept hearing that, yes, Linux is now really almost ready for the desktop, and world domination is just around the corner. I tried some other distros over the years (Suse, Redhat), but I kept coming back to Slackware. About a year ago I changed to Ubuntu because I didn't like all the configuration I had to do after every Slackware upgrade anymore. 'Ubuntu works out of the box!' the website assured me. After install I spent hours getting X to work right. It only wanted to run in 1024x768 @ 60 Hz. Thanks to my experience with Slackware and my backups I could edit xorg.conf to fix that. Now I have a working install, but Ubuntu is so slow that it's a pain to use. And I haven't been able to watch a movie on it yet. Configuring Gnome was a pain, and there isn't much documentation on how to start on the Ubuntu website either. I find the whole Ubuntu experience very disappointing. The only thing that keeps me from changing to a Mac completely (I have a MacBook Pro which I love) is the lack of choice in hardware. Changing to Windows is of course no option; I never understood why that OS is used so much. So I keep using Linux, but I almost never use my main machine as anything other than a file server anymore. Linux is very good at that, no matter which distro you use.

Re:I'm sick of Linux (1)

lbbros (900904) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778657)

So much for ranting, but "there isn't enough documentation" is FUD. There are at least two resources, the official documentation page (help.ubuntu.com) and the community wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com).

Re:I'm sick of Linux (4, Insightful)

Vintermann (400722) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778735)

Perhaps you could try... oh, I don't know, Mandriva?

I use it, wouldn't switch to a mac for the world. They don't even have the keys where they should be!

Re:I'm sick of Linux (1)

DigitAl56K (805623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778807)

Changing to Windows is of course no option; I never understood why that OS is used so much.

Perhaps for all the reasons you just mentioned: You don't have to spend hours getting the window manager to work right. It doesn't want to run in only 1024x768@60hz. You don't need to manually edit an xorg.conf, or have the experience required to do so. You can watch movies on it very easily. Configuring the shell isn't a pain. There is plenty of choice in hardware.

Remind me again why Windows is no option?

Side note: No, fan boys, this is not an open invitation for you to critique every little problem with Windows. Or every big one ;) We all know it's not perfect.

Re:I'm sick of Linux (1)

lattyware (934246) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779025)

Because I really don't feel like spending hundreds of pounds on what I can get, better, for free. That goes for both the OS and the software. For me, Linux works way better than windows ever did.

Re:I'm sick of Linux (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779081)

All the things you mention I have on the Mac. Plus, no spyware, malware etc thanks to a fantastic OS that is not defective by design.

Re:I'm sick of Linux (1)

WaZiX (766733) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779349)

Funny, the only OS I have ever had problems with to set resolution is windows. For some reason I just couldn't find a way to get my resolution back to 1280x800 after updating my drivers. Oh and installing an external monitor with 1440x900 was also an incredible pain...

Come to think of it, having an easily editable xorg.conf makes things MUCH easier, no need to mess with installing monitors, then making the OS somehow recognize what monitor it is, just edit a couple of lines (and xorg.conf is one of the most understandable config files out there), and you are set.

Oh and try installing windows that didn't come with your computer, it will take you MUCH longer to set it up to your needs. A clean windows XP install goes like this: Install WIndows (3 reboots?), install every single driver (1 reboot/driver, so something like 5 reboots), install every application you need, install every application you don't need but you have to install in order to give the bugger a livespan greater then a week, enjoy?

Windows takes far LONGER to set up, and is much MUCH more of a hassle.

Re:I'm sick of Linux (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779399)

Perhaps for all the reasons you just mentioned: You don't have to spend hours getting the window manager to work right. It doesn't want to run in only 1024x768@60hz. You don't need to manually edit an xorg.conf, or have the experience required to do so. You can watch movies on it very easily. Configuring the shell isn't a pain. There is plenty of choice in hardware.

From the outset, I'm not going to in any way deny that Linux isn't ready for the "Joe Bloke" user and my personal feeling is that it never will be - unless "Joe Bloke" is prepared to put some work into learning how to configure text files and read man pages. If he's not prepared to do that then he shouldn't touch Linux.

However, with that said, none of the reasons you've given are "showstoppers".

Configuring xorg.conf can be a pain the first time around but there are plenty of people offering help with doing it on the Web. And once you've got Xorg working correctly, just make sure you keep a copy of the working xorg.conf to go back to if subsequent changes you make stop it working - that's just common sense.

As for desktop functionality, there's no problem with it. Aside from the small range of native commercial games on Linux, OpenOffice works pretty much "out of the box" and gives a very good compatibility with MS Office documents if, like most people, you're just writing a few letters, creating a few simple presentations and a simple spreadsheet for finances and the like.

For movie players, xine and mplayer again work easily, provided, like in Windows, you have the right codecs installed.

Configuring the shell? Yep, you've got to change a few text files sometimes but this is far outweighed by the power the shell gives you once you start creating pipelines and simple scripts.

I should also say that I use Windows XP and I do quite like it (though not in preference to Linux). But with that said, I have to spend a long time configuring XP to get it to work the way I want it to - the default GUI is the most appalling piece of bloatware I have ever had the displeasure of using, much better is the classic Windows 2000 interface. Additionally, all the redundant CPU-consuming features like menu fading all need to be turned off and then, when you've installed the applications you like, you have to spend time configuring filetypes to make sure that the app you want to use opens the file. (And this is something you continually have to watch as you install new apps.)

Then there are tools like registry cleaners, spyware and virus apps, all of which need to be run and updated regularly and none of which are needed on Linux.

Put this all together with the fact that I use Gentoo Linux, which takes a long time to initially set up and tweak, but once it's done, it's just a case of using an "emerge" command to automatically install what software you want, I would say that overall I spend more time keeping Windows clean and working than I do Linux.

PCs and operating systems are *ALWAYS* about having to spend some time getting the best out of them. If you're "Joe Bloke" who just wants to surf the web, play a few games and download a few pictures, then you can buy yourself a pre-installed Windows PC that will do all of that the moment that you power it on - but unless you're prepared to spend some time administering Windows, then in a year's time you'd better be prepared to reinstall Windows or, if you're ultra-lazy, just buy a new PC.

This whole argument is "horses for courses" and entirely subjective. I know many people who use Windows XP and are happy with it enough to never want to consider trying Linux - and good luck to them.

But if you're really into running a PC "your way", then nothing beats the power and configurability of a Linux system - if nothing else, you've countless desktop environments to choose from and, once a few dependencies have been sorted out, you can run just about any application in any shell or GUI that you like.

Re:I'm sick of Linux (1)

Vskye (9079) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778961)

I've also been using Linux forever, since the pre-1.0 days. As you said, as a server it is rock solid, but as a normal desktop computer it is somewhat less forgiving. On the other hand, I've been using kubuntu for the past couple years and it works well for me, and have had only a few issues with upgrading to LCD and a new nvidia card, and even that wasn't bad, since I'm familiar with xorg.conf. (a normal joe user would have gave up though) Another funny comparison is that I bought a iMac this year, what sold me was the bash prompt. ;) Works good enough that the kids now use the linux box, and I retired the old pentium 120MHz Gateway, and use the iMac for my normal dev / all around system.
 
Issues that I consider non-forgiving to the new Linux average computer user would be:
Watching dvd movies. (or burning)
Tv card support still sucks for auto detection.
Lack of drivers for new video cards.
Lack of games compared to the Windows world.
 
Now, granted we can fault lack of open specs, etc to some of these issues, but to the normal computer user they just don't care. Shit should just work.

Re:I'm sick of Linux (1)

JonJ (907502) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778989)

Shit should just work.
Currently, no operating system does this as of today(Not OS X either.). But GNU/Linux is the closest one.

Re:I'm sick of Linux (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779133)

That's interesting, you have the same Linux 'career' as I have. For me the bash prompt was also a selling point for OS X. I bought an old iMac G3 and put OS 10.3 (I guess it was) on it. After some fiddling around with that thing I bought an iBook. If you could easily upgrade the videocard in an iMac I would have bought one last year. I play a lot of adventure games, and although they're not really heavy on the graphics card they get more demanding all the time. Now I have a windows/Linux box that I use as a game machine / fileserver.

Re:I'm sick of Linux (2, Insightful)

WaZiX (766733) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779271)

You've been using linux for 10 years and it took you hours to fix your xorg.conf?

How hard is it to add a couple of "widthxheight" in a text file? Or even easier: to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg so you can add them by just selecting the resolution (and giving your monitor refresh rates at the same time).

Oh, and by the way, if you had fired up an IRC client and connected to #ubuntu, it would have probably taken you 5 minutes tops.

Re:I'm sick of Linux (1)

Graftweed (742763) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779443)

Well, if you use your "main machine" only as a file server, then it isn't really your main machine anymore, is it? :)

I'm in a situation similar to yours. I've also used Slackware for as long as I've been using Linux and even though I've used all sorts of other distros, including SUSE at work, I keep coming back to it. I also use OS X heavily since my laptop is a Mac and I run pretty much the same set of tools there as I do in Slackware.

If you're comparing OS X to Linux in terms of desktop use (i.e. users who don't know, and don't want to know, what's going on under the hood) then obviously OS X wins hands down. Linux is slowly improving and I believe it will eventually reach the point where you mostly won't have to worry about that, but it will never be as good as OS X since the real added value Apple brings to their machines is that they also control the hardware OS X runs on.

If Linux only had to be installed in a very small set of hardware configurations I believe it would catch up to OS X very quickly.

I like OS X, I really do, but I'd never trade the flexibility a Linux machine provides me with for a little bit more ease of use. Not to mention you can have one up and running dirt cheap, but that's another matter.

Re:I'm sick of Linux (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779699)

Well, if you use your "main machine" only as a file server, then it isn't really your main machine anymore, is it? :)

Nope, you're right. Besides, the MacBook Pro is by far the fastest computer I've ever had. Much faster than the game machine / fileserver. But before the MBP I used the iMac G3 I had to type my stories and books in. Giving away that thing was a bad mistake. I'm now working on my next book, on the MBP. Typing on a laptop sucks even more than I had imagined. I could of course use my Ubuntu machine, but the room it sits in is almost always cold, and for some reason vim keeps crashing on that machine. I guess I will have to move the machine and put Slackware back on it. Problems problems :-)

Spring released? (1)

Buchenskjoll (762354) | more than 7 years ago | (#18778861)

So mandriva is spring released? Am I the only thinking that huge springs launching mandriva discs into the atmosphere, to spread it around the globe, is a poor alternative to the present system of downloading distros over the internet?

Metisse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18778873)

What the hell? I remember setting up Metisse and using it back in '04-05. I completely thought it was dead in the water, there was never any updates for it... But this is great news! I remember being very disheartened that such a great project was going nowhere.

Thank you, Mandriva, for jump starting an almost stale project!

Thunderbird 2.0 (1)

franksands (938435) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779363)

When was this released? Or did they already developed their own version of The Time Machine?

Re:Thunderbird 2.0 (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#18779371)

it's the latest beta.
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