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Only 244 Genuine Windows Vista's Sold in China

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the not-good-odds dept.

Windows 457

morpheus83 writes "Whilst Microsoft was bragging about the sales number of their latest OS Windows Vista, few would actually know that they have only managed to sell 244 copies in the whole of China in the first 2 weeks. You heard that right, and that's the number quoted from the headquarters of the Windows Vista chief (90% national volume) distributor in Beijing."

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244? (4, Funny)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782837)

That's gross + 100.

Re:244? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18782891)

That's gross + 100.

Thats almost too gross!

Bring on the pun police! I'm ready for you...

"Vista's" (2, Funny)

ncc05 (913126) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782931)

Ummm...not to be too pedantic, but I've never heard of "Windows Vista's". I have heard of Windows Vista, the plural of which is "Vistas".

Re:"Vista's" (5, Funny)

zxnos (813588) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783057)

you misread, vista owns the selling in china.

Re:"Vista's" (0, Troll)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783307)

In Communist China, Vista sells you.

Re:"Vista's" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783357)

You are indeed an opportunist.

Re:"Vista's" (1)

ionFreeman (783795) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783391)

It's not 'Vistata'? 'Vistae'?

Re:244? Yes 244 master copies (5, Funny)

rapidmax (707233) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783007)

That are 244 master copies for the pirates...

Commie Chinese only need ONE chinese sale (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783251)


Commie Chinese only need ONE chinese sale then EVERYBODY has the chinese version of vista. Whaduya expect from a peasant farmer demographic, tivo users?.

Well... (5, Funny)

ioshhdflwuegfh (1067182) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782845)

Records are there to be broken.

Re:Well... (1, Funny)

thepotoo (829391) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782965)

Yeah, really. This is the kind of story so amazing it doesn't deserve the haha tag - it deserves a buahaha tag.

From as Bad as Piracy is in China (3, Funny)

dctoastman (995251) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782847)

I think every single legitimate sale could be considered a victory.

Re:From as Bad as Piracy is in China (5, Funny)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782875)

I think every single legitimate sale could be considered a victory.

From Microsoft's perspective. From the user's perspective it can be considered a loss.

Re:From as Bad as Piracy is in China (1)

LagAdder (1076505) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782881)

I agree. Regarding how the media depicted the situation in China so far, I'm surprised Microsoft sold any at all.

Re:From as Bad as Piracy is in China (5, Funny)

seyyah (986027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782909)

Hell, at this rate they might even top the 3,628 copies of XP sold in China so far.

Re:From as Bad as Piracy is in China (1)

Pebblestone (1027120) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783045)

Hey, dude.

I have to say the retail version of Vista is still too expensive for us. But 244 is the number of retail selling, right? My brother just bought a notebook PC and Vista is pre-installed, but it's English version.

MS not working on Chinese version? I don't think so. Unless they want to loose the PC retailers in China.

Unfortunately (4, Funny)

arcite (661011) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783283)

It seems all 244 copies were sold to Microsoft's Beijing quality testing center.

Re:From as Bad as Piracy is in China (3, Funny)

OK PC (857190) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783381)

Well it is 243 more sales than in Russia...

Not to worry (4, Funny)

lurker412 (706164) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782857)

There are 8,576,336 users already.

Re:Not to worry (1)

Tim99 (984437) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782967)

Nah, Way too low...

Another Embarrassing Figure (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18782861)

The other embarrassing figure Windows failed to release was that they have 243 employees in China--revealing that the only other copy is unaccounted for but, curiously enough, has been verified as 'genuine' by the WGA website five billion times.

Things working against them. (4, Interesting)

CogDissident (951207) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782863)

Well, they only have a few small factors working against them.
1: Less performance than XP.
2: Lots of bugs.
3: Perceived lack of need to upgrade.
4: The fact that china is the piracy capital of the world.
5: Windows vista costs more than two dozen weeks wages for the average worker, so its expensive even to the rich.

Re:Things working against them. (3, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782991)

This difference between the rich and the poor in China is staggering. I know people from China, and they say the rich people are very rich. They drive around in expensive cars, and send their kids to Canadian schools who charge tens of thousands of dollars a year in tuition. These children also have their own expensive cars. Even if there is only %0.01 rich people (it's probably much higher), that's still 100000 people. If you ask me, they aren't doing too well.

Re:Things working against them. (3, Interesting)

wan-fu (746576) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783219)

The problem isn't necessarily the money. It's the culture and attitude toward IP in China. I know a bunch of rich kids in China and most of them have never bought a DVD in their life. They download all their software, movies, etc.

Re:Things working against them. (2, Insightful)

tzhuge (1031302) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783333)

It's not just the rich. The rich are certainly very very rich, but even the middle-class in China has very good buying power. There are many households in China that hire someone part time to do maid work. They don't spend a huge amount of money on housing and they don't invest as much for retirement (although both these things are changing). Costs for western name brand products (gadgets, clothing, fast food, StarBucks, etc.) is more or less the same as what you would find in the West. However, food (groceries and restaurants), domestically produced clothing, and labor are all incredibly cheap. The consequence is that they have a lot of expendable income and purchasing power.

Re:Things working against them. (1)

notque (636838) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783399)

That's weird. I know people in China, and they are considered quite wealthy with government jobs, and they pull in 7k a year. They don't seem particularly well off to me. Maybe that's a big step below.

Re:Things working against them. (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783279)

5: Windows vista costs more than two dozen weeks wages for the average worker, so its expensive even to the rich.
Probably the best point. Even though China is, what, 1/5 the World's population I bet 9 out of 10 don't own a computer. In the UK and USA I believe we are approaching 1:1 computers on the internet to human beings old enough to operate them. I personally have five computers running right now.

I dispute #5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783329)

5: Windows vista costs more than two dozen weeks wages for the average worker, so its expensive even to the rich.

I dispute that Vista is expensive "even to the rich"

A quote from an article in referenece to the income of people in the largest (wealthier) cities of China http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_conte nt&task=view&id=447&Itemid=32 [asiasentinel.com]

"How many of those 115 million people have a household income of $10,000 or more, the minimum likely needed to afford a significant level of consumption - a mortgaged apartment, a car, a computer, the occasional karaoke visit? This group may total 70 million. Up the household income level to $18,000, the point at which it might begin to equate in purchasing power terms to a median household income in the west, and the number falls to 25 million. "

If you go to any major city in China, and I have many friends who went there recently .. the whole place is one large construction site and lots of people can afford cars apparently because there were so many new cars on the road.

In China there are millions of people making enough money to afford a legit copy of Vista.

Woohoo (1, Funny)

faloi (738831) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782865)

Next on /., stories about how piracy is hurting MS!

Re:Woohoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783079)

Piracy isnt hurting MS. Putting out shitty products is what's hurting MS.

Is that a genuine Windows SKU? (4, Insightful)

igotmybfg (525391) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782867)

If you look closely, the vertical text on the right side of the Windows box says "Windows Vista Ulimate 2007". Given that we're talking about China, I'm going to go out on a limb and say, NO.

How on earth.. (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782869)

Did this make the front page? I'm as anti-M$ as the next guy, but come on, a few lines on a blog... with a pic of a baggied dvd case?

Geez, what's up with Firehose today?

Re:How on earth.. (2, Funny)

flitty (981864) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783319)

1. Uh, an anti-M$ story making it to the front page surprises you? You must be new here.

2. I, for one, welcome our new pirate overlords.
3. ????
3. Profit!!!

No worries, they can spin it... (4, Funny)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782897)

I mean, if they can make the Zune sales look like an iPod killer (e.g. "we're the #2 selling hard-drive based digital music player in the 30GB range! we pwnz0rs!!!!1!"), Microsoft is liable to be nearly orgasmic with delight in describing Vista's position as the "top selling multi-GB-sized DirectX10 inclusive DRM-based GUI-based OS" in China...

/P

Bill gates says ... (5, Funny)

sarathmenon (751376) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782899)

244 copies ought to be enough ....

Cost (3, Interesting)

News for nerds (448130) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782905)

The distribution and packaging cost should be bigger for the Chinese version. Microsoft should have terminated the development of the Simplified Chinese version of Vista.

Re:Cost (2, Informative)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783103)

And yield the market to Linux?

Yes, they have XP now, but if MS rested on their laurels, they would have less (propietary formats, APIs, etc) to lock in users in the future since Linux could catch up if they remained a stationary target.

Is that "genuine"... (1)

oneandoneis2 (777721) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782933)

...as in the Windows Genuine Advantage? :o)

Re:Is that "genuine"... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783263)

No, this is real.

244 Vista users? (4, Interesting)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782939)

I don't even know one Vista user here in the States. This OS has been a real flop for Microsoft. Notice they don't give stats for actual activated copies of Vista or customer sales--they only give the numbers of OEM licenses sold. They did the same with XP to inflate the numbers.

Re:244 Vista users? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783205)

Does that mean you're still using XP? LOL.

You an antique collector?

Re:244 Vista users? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783227)

This OS has been a real flop for Microsoft... They did the same with XP to inflate the numbers.

Yeah. Seriously. I mean, *nobody* uses XP. They *must* be screwed.

Re:244 Vista users? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783373)

Msft and/or its shareholders are just as happy to have the money for licenses that are never used. Even better, each license sold that goes unused is one less user that may request support and thus cut into profits.

Only 244 Pirating Outfits in China (1)

gsslay (807818) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782941)

Chinese Microsoft Genuine Advantage register stored on one Excel spreadsheet.

244 Copies? (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782949)

244 copies is what, 2.44 copies per new computer sold in China since Vista's release? I'd say they ought to be satisfied with that ratio.

No wonder since Microsoft started leaking Vista (1)

abdulzis (939827) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782951)

No wonder since Microsoft started leaking Vista Retail upgrade links legally http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microso ft%3Aen-us&q=vista+retail+legal+http+links [google.com]

Re:No wonder since Microsoft started leaking Vista (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783015)

But you still need the key to fully use them

all i can say is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18782959)

HA HA
no in all serious maybe this will wake them up.... oh fuck it who am i kidding

Re:all i can say is (1)

gsslay (807818) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783427)

Wake them up to what?

Seriously. What do you want/expect Microsoft to do about this? Realise that piracy is rampant in China? Realise that people can always get a pirated copy cheaper than a licensed copy, no matter how cheap it is?

I think we can assume that Microsoft already know this. So what do you want them to wake up to? Do you want them to under-cut the pirates???

Piracy is theft (0, Troll)

mi (197448) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782963)

Let's hear the Slashdot crowd claim, once again, how software piracy is not really theft, and how it does not deprive the software-maker of anything of value.

And, of course, how the software-maker's steps to prevent the piracy are unethical, while the piracy itself is not.

Re:Piracy is theft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783061)

Ok...

Piracy != Theft
Piracy does not NECESSARILY deprive the software maker of anything of value.
Software patents are unethical & DRM is unworkable & counter productive.

Happy now?

Re:Piracy is theft (3, Funny)

gandy909 (222251) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783097)

That's right! Especially if you were never going to purchase it for any reason whatsoever anyway. They still have the cd to sell that you were never going to buy. Flame me, I dare you!

Re:Piracy is theft (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783145)

Let's hear the Slashdot crowd claim, once again, how software piracy is not really theft, and how it does not deprive the software-maker of anything of value.

And, of course, how the software-maker's steps to prevent the piracy are unethical, while the piracy itself is not.

I think you have that backwards! When a consumer is forced to purchase Vista with their new PC, it is the purchaser who is deprived of value. I'm willing to bet that even in China not too many people are even pirating Vista, never mind buying it...

Piracy? Uninteresting software another option! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783183)

You blame it on piracy?

Maybe the software is found to be uninteresting and people spent their money wisely.

Re:Piracy is theft (1)

BoyIHateMicrosoft! (1044838) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783225)

I agree that in some part, piracy is theft. Some stuff I will buy even though I have to sell a kidney to get it like Adobe CS3 or the new Dreamweaver. I can handle buying those. I just can't justify paying more money to M$ for an OS that really hasn't proven itself yet. Maybe in two or three years I will be willing to pay for it, but for now I'll take my illegal $1 Chinese copy thank you very much!

Re:Piracy is theft (2, Interesting)

Miros (734652) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783241)

Let's none of us deny that software piracy is illegal and to some degree... wrong (in that you're doing something to something someone created that they don't want done to it, of course, that doesn't say anything about just _how_ wrong it is... i would bet, not that wrong ultimately). However, poor sales of the software in China alone does not say anything about causation, simply correlation.

My point is this. Sure, piracy exists, but we cant blame poor software sales on piracy _alone_. After all, if we were to do that, people might start doing crazy things like complaining that people wont buy crappy music because of internet downloads, when the reality is that some music just sucks. If we had awesome Vista sales in the US, and poor sales in China, and you considered Chinese market factors on the process and built an actual model to analyze it, then maybe, maybe you could say something conclusive about piracy. You however, are just making a bigoted guess, at best.

Piracy is NOT theft (1, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783311)

It is copyright infringement. Depriving someone of YOUR money is not a crime on its own. By your logic, if I make a burger at home, I'm stealing from McDonald's. It is up to each country to decide whether copyright infringement is a civil matter, a criminal matter, or not a problem at all. Also, you have absolutely no proof that any Chinese have pirated Vista, you are just assuming and libeling a whole country. Maybe they don't want Vista because it SUCKS, hmm, you ever think of that smart boy?

Re:Piracy is theft (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783355)

What!? people want to spend as little as possible?

My god! This is awful. I mean it's not as though Microsoft want to charge aas much as possible for their stuff.

And it's not like anyone was forcing anyone to buy the software in the first place, unlike the bastards holding a gun to Microsoft's head forcing them to write Operating systems.

Linux is cheaper than Vista* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18782971)

*except on Chinese street-corners

It would have been less. (5, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782979)

Blame that one clumsy pirate who failed to stick the disc into his drive without scratching it 243 times beforehand.

Vista Failure (1)

Butisol (994224) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782987)

I think the reason for this is very simple. The Chinese are not a stupid people, except for the whole communism thing.

Re:Vista Failure (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783405)

Oh you must be referring to that communist thing that's funding the capitalist US's deficits. Yeah what a failure it must be.

What's funny (5, Interesting)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 7 years ago | (#18782997)

The irony here is that the box, the CD case, the CD itself, and the hologram were all manufactured in China along with most of the Vista-compatible hardware there is in the world.

Hey, the Chinese are not stupid. (0, Redundant)

1shooter (185361) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783005)

Ok, 244 are so far but they were probably bought it to make pirated copies of.

And the point is? (3, Interesting)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783019)

Besides the fact that this is yet another slashvertisement, I'm not quite sure what the point of the article is...

Due to the overwhelming piracy in China, whatever genuine # came out would seem pathetic. Anyone have the stats on "genuine" DVD sales in China?

Limits of growth (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783027)

640 kopies should be enough...

Therefore expect 100% market penetration in China in approximately 3 more weeks.

Source? (5, Informative)

AlHunt (982887) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783071)

Oddly, the only references in the "story" (TFA) are a circular reference back to site itself and an unintelligible link to a story in Japanese. I see nothing that substantiates the claim of 244 copies sold.

Really poor submission ...

Type declarations (1)

Peaker (72084) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783081)

unsigned char number_of_copies;

'nuff said.

Legit Copies (1)

canb (792889) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783085)

What about the legit copies sold with new computers in china? I'm sure they amount to something as revenues for microsoft. It is understandable that vista sales would be low. As you could get the copy for a very very low amount of money from pirates.

So. (5, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783099)

That's probably how many they would have sold in the USA by now, if OEMs weren't putting it on machines.

Where I work, people are scratching it off their new machines and installing XP.

Yet Vista Install Base in China is 100,000 (1)

ntsucks (22132) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783117)

Only 244 copies sold, yet there is probably an install base of 100,000 users already.

China: open source paradise (3, Insightful)

malevolentjelly (1057140) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783133)

This is not a good thing, people.

Isn't this the same slashdot that celebrates mass piracy? We all know that the chinese don't buy software, music, or movies and for some bizarre reason everyone on slashdot celebrates it. They are taking money from us-- they are blatantly robbing our largest industries. This isn't bringing us any closer to the magical open source commune you people envision for the future, it's only bringing us closer to poverty.

What do you think the US's role is in the world market? How many of you work in steel, ammonia, or aerospace?

I don't suppose any of you work in software, which depends on sales- possibly web industries that depend on paying customers who aren't buying bootleg products- maybe even the financial industry, which is adversely affected by the lack of revenue our media firms and software companies see out of China.

Stop being fanboys and start thinking like we're competing in a world market and our jobs are not secure.

I suppose you'd all like to see the market shift to an open source model, where all the code is written in east europe and china where its cheaper, and those of us who once wrote software here are then waiting tables for the executives and managers who were smart enough to outsource all their R&D and engineering as soon as possible.

Selling software, entertainment products, and media in China is really the best outcome for our middle class- it doesn't only benefit a few fatcat moguls, like most of you have fooled yourself into thinking.

Re:China: open source paradise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783281)

Yeah it really seems like poor Bill Gates will have to close down M$ after this...

I'm surprised it's that many (5, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783137)

China has been pretty frank about not giving a crap about piracy.

Who are the 244 morons who actually paid?

Piracy is fun (4, Informative)

j0se_p0inter0 (631566) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783139)

When I lived in Beijing, my g/f needed Windows reinstalled on her comp but didn't have a CD. We went to a local market in Chao Yang district and bought a copy of XP for 8 yuan ($1). They have boxes of cd's in shrinkwrap...Autocad, Photoshop, Flash, whatever you need. And if you buy a bunch you can bargain for a discount. Don't even get me started on DVD's... Combine that with the fact that beer is cheaper than water over there and you can see I obviously had a good time :)

Paging the editors... (0, Offtopic)

afabbro (33948) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783141)

Only 244 Genuine Windows Vista's Sold in China

Windows Vista's what? Hint to the editors: look up "possessive" in your remedial English textbook.

Re:Paging the editors... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783211)

afabbro, look up anal retentive in your choice of reference material.

This is madness! (1)

Millennium (2451) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783163)

THIS... IS... oh, wait; I guess it's not quite enough for Sparta yet, huh? Um... er... let me get back to you in a couple of weeks, k? Here's some earth and water in the meantime.

Wow (1)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783169)

Wouldn't even break the top 10 of Blu-Ray.

Re:Wow (1)

figleaf (672550) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783231)

You never know. I am sure movies are pirate too.

Vista is stupid to sell there (3, Insightful)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783173)

First of all, I'm willing to bet there are very few "Vista-capable" computers among the "middle class" there in the first place. Second, Windows Vista is expensive as heck for someone over there -- it'd be like buying a car I reckon. Third, pirated copies are available for $1. That's one dollar!

What kind of IDIOT would you have to be to pay for a "genuine" Vista in China when you can buy a "non-genuine" one for a dollar?!

Marketing it in China was a huge waste of money. But whatever, Microsoft has money to burn.

Why buy in China? (1)

thanksforthecrabs (1037698) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783193)

When you can pirate like everybody else there?

OEM's are MS's saving grace (3, Insightful)

slusich (684826) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783213)

If it weren't for OEM software being installed on machines before the sale, MS would have gone under already. I think it's likely that while pirate copies are hurting sales, most of the people buying pirated copies wouldn't have shelled out for the real thing. Even if Vista's copy protection had been 100% bulletproof, sales would still be dismally low. XP is a fairly solid operating system, and Vista is failing to bring anything new to the table. The desire to upgrade simply isn't there.

Export licences? (2, Insightful)

redelm (54142) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783245)

Could this be due to limitations under US Law, specificially the Commerce [doc.gov] Control List or State Dept ITAR [state.gov] rules?

Many people don't know, but the US exerts complete juristication and control over exports. I would have thought MS-Vista falls under the "publicly available" software exemption, but this wouldn't cover ITAR rules on munitions (incl encryption).

Piracy (0)

jxs2151 (554138) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783247)

Say what you will about Microsoft and its policies, the rampant piracy in China (and most of Asia) is hurting the American economy in general. If Microsoft doesn't sell Vista because the Chinese are pirating it instead, MS makes no money. They lay off employees who no longer buy their groceries at the local supermarket. The checkout person loses their job and can no longer afford to buy video games. There goes your job because now your employer isn't making any money. There is right and there is wrong. Microsoft lawfully owns the rights to their software and the Chinese are stealing. Stealing is wrong (you'd feel that way if someone stole your car) and should not be condoned or laughed at. This is just wrong.

Cut with the "economy" illusion already (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783309)

There is no economy in this.

Bulk of the profits from any mega corporation goes to major stockholders' pockets, and they either stash that cash up in swiss banks, or spend them on lavish houses or cars, restaurants and whatnot at inflated prices - the fraction of population who benefits from those are pathetically small percentage of the society.

It has been that way since first colonial companies have been founded, and it is still that way today.

Re:Cut with the "economy" illusion already (1)

jxs2151 (554138) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783441)

I can certainly understand your sentiments but the facts say otherwise- the capitalism system simply works better for everyone than any other economic system.....so far. The research just simply says that it works. Yes, there are those that get obscenely rich, obscenely. But things seem to be working pretty well for me, and I am guessing you too.

If you could post some facts to back up your rhetoric I would be glad to take a look. Serious facts backed up by research that says what you claim is true- no screeds, no mindless attacks on the rich, just facts.

I am opposed to millionaires, but it would be dangerous to offer me the position. -Mark Twain

Re:Piracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18783371)

Microsoft is a lot more than just Windows. If you have a look at the share price in the last year you will realise that what you said is just sheer paranoia http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT&t=1y [yahoo.com]

Oddly... (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783273)

Oddly, sales of blank CDs went up dramatically in China shortly after the release of Vista.

Its True (1)

cottandr (1017464) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783295)

I was in china last week. Every fake DVD and games shop had a couple of copies of cracked windows vista. They also had copies of every other big commercial software package - Office, Macromedia, the lot. Microsoft's big mistake was releasing a public beta of vista. This meant that crackers could get their hands on the software and crack it and sell it for 35p in a country where it is easy to sell fake stuff such as china.

Phoning home (1)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783297)

Wouldn't an OS that phones home back to a server in the USA be illegal anyway?

In Soviet Russia (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783315)

Microsoft pirates YOU!

the breakdown... (1)

insanius (1058584) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783317)

243 copies shipped to Chinese branches of Western companies. 1 copy shipped to the Chinese government.

spun up headlines in 2 weeks: "Bill Gates declares, 'Windows Vista huge success in China!'", "88% of Chinese computers run Windows Vista!"

It had to be said (0)

rlp (11898) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783353)

In Communist China Vista is copied by you!!

HA HA! (1)

rnmartinez (968929) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783367)

ha ha! Those 244 people must feel pretty dumb right now!

Better sales than Linux (0, Troll)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783375)

Irregardless, of this, I could care less. Rinux hasn't sold any copies in China.

I won't even install my LEGIT copy, for free (3, Interesting)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783393)

I 'won' a free copy of vista ultimate for attending a MS installfest in mtn view (at the MS campus, one sunday afternoon).

I spent the whole day there doing a test upgrade of my xp box to vista. quite a few things didn't work for me.

the deal was that we give MS some feedback on the install and we get, in return, a retail boxed ultimate copy.

they kept their promise and I got mine in the mail.

however, I don't plan to install mine. not sure what I'll do with it, but even for free - I'm not willing to install the drm-posing-as-an-os on my system.

I do use XP for photo work (and xp makes a GREAT platform for vnc-client, btw) but xp will be the last MS o/s that I ever install.

when people refuse to install legit copies FOR FREE, then you know you have a PR problem on your hands..

Marketing 101: Success vs Failure by the #s (2, Interesting)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783395)

Microsoft should be able to sell what it wants, at the price it wants with whatever DRM and restrictions like its ET = "Phone Home" stuff and whatever else it wants, because it is a free market out there.

But CUSTOMERS always determine success or failure in various markets. With the 244 MS China sales reps, IT guys & crackers having bought a copy of VISTA to jump start sales, the rest of China has given MS's VISTA a slamdown.

3rd world sales of VISTA are worse than the OS cost as other things cost more:
1. New Hardware needed in maybe 80%+ of users
2. New or patched applications & MS Office needed
3. Maybe your new PC goes into slowdown if you bought one with a pirated version of VISTA

How much is an OS worth & why is a stand-alone VISTA copy so high?

I seem to recall I bought my family pack of OSX 10.4 for around $150 for use on up to 5 computers, and there was no choice in which of 6 versions of OSX I would buy, and I did not fear that all sorts of things would crash when I upgraded from 10.3 (and they didn't).

Just my opinion, but I think Ballmer goes by 2010. I understand that pricing as high as the market will bear works in Tiffanys, but OS's are COMMODITIES. Ballmer is trying to moosh the numbers so MS stock price goes up or at least holds. Customers vote with their feet and their wallets, and Ballmer will never be able to spin customer demand.

Look at down the side of the box... (1)

abshnasko (981657) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783401)

They even spelled "Ulimate" wrong downt he side of the box. Amazing.

How Many Companies? (1)

triso (67491) | more than 7 years ago | (#18783411)

How many companies bought Vista? Well, 244, of course.
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