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Michael Dell Using Ubuntu Linux At Home

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the hmmmm dept.

Operating Systems 236

whoever57 sends us a link from the Dell site noting that Michael Dell is using Ubuntu Linux at home (7.04, Feisty Fawn) on a Precision M90 laptop loaded with Openoffice.org and Evolution. If one were betting on which distro Dell will eventually ship pre-installed, this factoid might be food for thought. Oh, and Micheal Dell's gaming system uses XP Media Center edition.

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Just an advert (4, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796177)

It looks like a normal posted flyer.
Given all the other stuff he has I bet the baseline Linux machine will be the toilet one.
Or the one he threatens his kids with:

"Screw around on teh internets and you will use Linux for the rest of the week"

Having said that, its REALLY good Dell are actually selling machines, the specified model just looks crap compared to the other kit on the page.

Re:Just an advert (1)

Rukie (930506) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796203)

nonetheless, YAY for linux supported hardware.. (I'm still trying to find a bluetooth PCMCIA card thats supported..)

Re:Just an advert (5, Funny)

BecomingLumberg (949374) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796303)

No, you are missing the point. He had to use the monster PCs for the ones running vista just to get it on the web. The Ubuntu lappy runs fine without a supercharger...

Re:Just an advert (2, Insightful)

gerrysteele (927030) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796477)

Or he's just created a ton of buzz and talk about his company for free.

Re:Just an advert (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796531)

Nope, every computer besides the Ubuntu one runs XP or XP Media Center. They are almost all "Vista Ready" though.

Re:Just an advert (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796461)

You call this shit:

* Intel Core 2 Duo T7600 Processor
* 4GB DDR2 667Mhz DRAM
* 17" WXGA+ Widescreen LCD
* 160GB 7200rpm SATA hard drive
* 8X DVD +/- RW optical drive
* NVIDIA Quadro FX 3500 512MB
That is hardly a damn baseline machine. It is a mobile workstation for crying out loud with a QUADRO! Yes, not great for 3D accel, but they have caught up and I think great 2D accel might be more warranted in Linux anyway. Most people using it that I know are not running crazy 3D games in it. Yes, most the other systems on the page would smoke this, but that hardly is saying much.

I also wouldn't start assuming what systems will have Linux installs, but I will put money that there will be workstation systems, both portable and desktop based, as well as, at least one user grade desktop. How much 3D support it gets will probably depend on what kind of support they really want to give for nvidia drivers in Linux.

Re:Just an advert (1, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796485)

Yeah, because a laptop with a Core 2 Duo, 4GB of RAM and a Quadro graphics card is utterly crap.. pfft.. I had an M60 for a while and it was great, that M90's specs look pretty awesome to me, and it probably costs more than £2000.. not that I'd want to swap my MacBook Pro for it at the moment anyway.

Re:Just an advert (1)

Eigtball (1081119) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796669)

FYI the M90 is an XPS M1710, just a different video card that screams workstation (Quadro!!!) Pew

Re:Just an advert (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796847)

Well you have to figure that the reason to use Windows is for games, or having MCE to interface with your XBox360-- or other things of that sort. At this point, most people will find Linux most appropriate for their work machine. You have OpenOffice, Evolution, Firefox, etc. Your "productivity" apps. Those things are far less resource-intensive.

M90 (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796185)

Is the wonder machine, I also use... :)

However, I am not allowed to use Linux. :(

Dell support would be fine, but corporate policies need to change too.

Re:M90 (1)

sirmonkey (1056544) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797015)

live cd/dvd my friend :-) thats what i do at school, it's quite fun to because people think i've cracked the comptuer. All i do is reboot when i leave and its normal :-) no one knows(even tho i've tried to explain that an OS can run from a cd).

FP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796187)

Feisty Ponies!

Hurray (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796193)

Breaking news. I'm so glad I read this. Now I'll sleep much better.

I agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796325)

I am tired of all the crackers, the virus, the having to reboot once a week (and sometimes more) and the BSOD. And that is on XP.

He is not the only one - Happy Feisty Fawn day! (1)

Marcion (876801) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796207)

The statistics are biased towards how you buy your computer, rather than what people actually use. How many of those other machines dual boot also?

Businessmen & Their Customers (4, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796213)

If one were betting on which distro Dell will eventually ship pre-installed, this factoid might be food for thought.
I'm going to discard this assumption that because Michael Dell uses Ubuntu that's what they're looking at.

The simple reason being that a good businessman never assumes what's good for him is good for his customer.

Re:Businessmen & Their Customers (1)

capt.Hij (318203) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796267)

I was going to disregard the assumption because I assumed that the page was set up by the Dell marketing droids and was the subject of many many exciting meetings. Imagine the discussions on which distribution they should say based on the perceived nerdiness vs coolness factors. Riveting.

However (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796331)

The simple reason being that a good businessman never assumes what's good for him is good for his customer.
If you don't eat your own dogfood, how can you expect your customers to.

 

Re:However (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796489)

How many dogfood manufacturers eat their product do you imagine?

Worst... analogy.... ever

Re:However (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797105)

Ahhh,
But the distro isn't the dog food, the notebook is.
In this case I would think that the LT release would be the ideal distro for them to distribute to customers, but hey...
-nB

Re:Businessmen & Their Customers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796455)

So apparantly, Steve Jobs isn't a good businessman.

Re:Businessmen & Their Customers (3, Interesting)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796599)

No, he merely said that he never ASSUMES it is. It might very well BE the best thing for the customer as well as the businessman. You've taken the point in reverse.

He's saying that the fact that M. Dell is using Ubuntu should not play a major factor into what distro Dell decides to ship to its customers. The opposite is not true... If he were to pick a distro AFTER the decision had been made, he may very well choose to use the same distro his company is shipping.

We don't know if that decision has been made, what it is, or why M. Dell chose Ubuntu. Making assumptions on any that is foolhardy at best. But then, that's what journalism means today. Making half-assed assumptions and printing them as fact. When you're wrong, you just write the retraction in tiny print on the billionth page.

Maybe he ist looking at a course change? (4, Insightful)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796505)

In the past, sticking to Windows seems to have worked for Dell. There are obvious reasons (need to support only one OS) plus maybe a very favourable volume deal by Microsoft.
But as Linux gains more market share, it is time for Dell to re-evaluate this position. Michael Dell using Ubuntu may be part of such research. If so, he is acting with more foresight than some managers I know ;-)

Re:Businessmen & Their Customers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797145)

Only a couple of days ago Mark Shuttleworth pretty much confirmed-by-denial that they are in discussion with Dell to ship Ubuntu. I'd say the chances are pretty good.

MS tax (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796215)

I wonder if he can get it without the MS tax?

Re:MS tax (1)

brunascle (994197) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796585)

oddly enough, the no-OS laptops [dell.com] dell is offering cost the same or more than the equivalents with Windows. :-/

i'm looking into getting a linux laptop, and the best deal seems to be to get a dell with windows and load linux onto it yourself (make sure you configure it with linux-friendly hardware, though).

How did he download the release so fast? (0, Offtopic)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796235)

At the moment ubuntu.com is very slow, so close to the release time. I wish I could get a link to the right torrent for the release (not the beta). Maybe Mr Dell has a link?

Re:How did he download the release so fast? (2, Informative)

Tx (96709) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796363)

Here you go, these links came from linuxtracker, they are definitely the final releases, not the beta.
CD - ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent [linuxtracker.org]
DVD - feisty-dvd-i386.iso.torrent [linuxtracker.org]

Re:How did he download the release so fast? (3, Informative)

Zonk (troll) (1026140) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796409)

Use the Swedish mirror. I switched to that a while ago since the us servers always seem very slow. The Swedish one is usually very fast.

http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ [ubuntu.com]

The iso's are on that site now.

Errmmmm (1, Troll)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796241)

Wasn't Feisty Fawn just released this week? If he's been using it, he's either been using the beta or else he just installed it, right? And if Dell were really in talks with Canonical to distribute Ubuntu 7.04 on Dell PCs, wouldn't we be hearing about it from Canonical and/or Mark Shuttleworth?

Re:Errmmmm (1)

fl!ptop (902193) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796315)

yesterday, there was posted an interview [slashdot.org] with mark where he alluded to dell running ubuntu, but he shied away from completely admitting it.

What? (3, Informative)

wild_berry (448019) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796759)

Why didn't you let the GP read their own interpretation to Mark Shuttleworth's exact words:

derStandard.at: So are we going to get pre-installed Ubuntu on Dell computers?

Mark Shuttleworth: Well - time will tell.

derStandard.at: Are there active talks on that?

Mark Shuttleworth: I would not comment on any conversations underway.

I can see that this isn't (i) a definite 'No' (and nor would it be); (ii) "We'd be delighted if the Dell team want to get in touch"; (iii) "I have their Cease & Desist and Restraining Orders on my office wall -- we'll get Dell to ship Ubuntu, just you see"; or (iv) "We're integrating Wine and Launchpad to track users via the default-installed Dell add-ons". However, I don't think that there's enough there to be sure that it is any hint of talks, as Canonical's and Ubuntu's status would rise if Mark Shuttleworth could give the impression that Dell were interested.

What he said (1)

babbling (952366) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796795)

"I certainly would not push the large IT companies to put Linux on consumer PCs, because I understand that in their business, the cost of a user accidentally getting Linux, thinking that they get cheap Windows would be a problem for the companies selling the computers. So I don't think it is really ready yet for mass consumer sales of Linux on desktop. But I think in strategic target markets, like workstation or in emerging markets, there are good opportunities and we work with the companies in those markets to execute on those opportunities."

and...

derStandard.at: So are we going to get pre-installed Ubuntu on Dell computers?
Mark Shuttleworth: Well - time will tell.
derStandard.at: Are there active talks on that?
Mark Shuttleworth: I would not comment on any conversations underway.


My conclusion is that they are in talks with Dell. If they were not he would have given a simple "no", but the fact that he said he wouldn't comment suggests that there are some sort of talks going on that they don't want to announce just yet.

Re:What he said (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797055)

Or, he wanted to give the impression he was in talks with Dell without explicitly saying so. He might do this even if it weren't true, because just implying that Shuttleworth and Dell were in talks about Ubuntu being pre-installed on Dell computers gives Ubuntu some extra cred, at least temporarily.

Re:Errmmmm (5, Funny)

billcopc (196330) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796955)

I hate to feed the rumors, but what other distro would they possibly use ? I don't know of any other that pulls off the user experience schmoozing as cleanly as Ubuntu, seeing as it's one of their main goals. As funny as it would be to toss a Gentoo boot disc in the box and watch the call center agents as they commit suicide one after another:

Joe - " I setup Portage to run off a CDB backend, and now my metadata is corrupt. Fix my box, bitch!"

Kerpal - " Ok, sir, please turn off the computer and remove the power cord for 2 minutes. "

Joe - " No, f*** you that won't fix it. I need a tarball of this and that, and a custom shell script to reindex those..."

Kerpal - " Ok, sir, I am going to put you on hold... (hold music) AAAAAAAAAH *BOOM* *SPLAT* *CLICK*"

Ultimately they want a nice easy distro to appeal to the masses, because that's the business they're in. I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with a nice idiot-proof restore CD as well, because the expensive part is training the thousands of tech support people worldwide. Having them pop in a restore disc is an easy way to deal with it, because ultimately that's what a lot of techs end up doing when Windows acts up too... just blow it away and start over. That's how they're trained. Advanced software troubleshooting is a luxury billed by the hour, not covered by the puny hardware warranty.

mikey likes it... (-1, Troll)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796255)

He's probably just sick of all the bullshit that is microsoft windows. Windows is such a pushy and intrusive user experience IMHO, and there's a trust factor.. Who can say with confidence that they trust microsoft's operating system? I'm not talking about the million viruses, malware and spyware packages that enhance the experience.. but what's going on in the kernel itself? It's not exactly open to curious eyes, ya? When I'm forced to use Windows it reminds me of those god damned MySpace webpages.. a pushy, obnoxious and hysterical creation.. the contents of which are usually disjointed thoughts of some teenage kid on ritalin, this is not far from what Microsoft Windows has become..

I know why people are so disappointed with Vista... there was a hope that microsoft would build something like OS/X, it would have to be a straight rip-off but something that would improve the old-beatup desktop instead of pushing the same basic bullshit as they always have. For all the billions of $$$ invested in Vista , it's a total disappointment. Maybe they should talk to Rasterman of Enlightenment, he could give them a few tips

Re:mikey likes it... (1)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796321)

It's not OS/X. It's OS X. And it's not "oh ess ex" it's "oh ess ten"

Re:mikey likes it... (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796771)

Maybe IBM's been doing stealth OS releases all these years... OS/2 Warp Version 10. :P Now that would be one ugly Dos Shell.

Re:mikey likes it... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796441)

He's probably just sick of all the bullshit that is microsoft windows. Windows is such a pushy and intrusive user experience IMHO, and there's a trust factor..
He certainly isn't tired of all the money he gets from the tons of boardline malware that comes preinstalled on most Dells running Windows.

Re:mikey likes it... (1)

FKnight (521972) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796487)

"Forced to use Windows"

Grow up.

FIVE?! (5, Insightful)

ArtDent (83554) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796271)

I can't even imagine why one person would want five PCs.

How much time does he spend applying patches and updating software? Transferring data?

THREE different laptops? Doesn't he realize that the whole appeal of a laptop is that you can take it with you wherever you go?

Re:FIVE?! (2, Informative)

Helios1182 (629010) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796345)

Given that he runs one of the largest PC companies in the world he may just enjoy them and working with them.

Or... (2, Funny)

anti-human 1 (911677) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796765)

...given that he owns/runs Dell, he has plenty of backups if one craps out (or bursts into flame, rumor du jour).

Re:FIVE?! (3, Informative)

faloi (738831) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796347)

I can't even imagine why one person would want five PCs.

I can... One PC to act as my home theater, another PC acting as a big ol' server, a corporate approved box that I can use to work from home, a gaming rig, and another laptop to do normal computer-type stuff. And that's not even counting any machines that would be for other people in the house to use.

Re:FIVE?! (2, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796469)

I can see the need too. Unfortunately I don't have all that much space at home. So, I have to have one computer that does absolutely everything I need. That means for right now, I'm running Windows. I would love to be able to run a Linux Server, A Windows Gaming machine, and have a Linux Media centre, and well, for office/internet, I don't care, either one is fine, so I'd probably go with Linux.

Re:FIVE?! (0, Offtopic)

muellerr1 (868578) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796769)

I don't get why your post was modded as funny.

Re:FIVE?! (0, Offtopic)

AncientPC (951874) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796975)

I don't get why yours was modded as interesting. :)

Re:FIVE?! (2, Funny)

joey_knisch (804995) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797061)

Probably because there is no "observant" category.

Re:FIVE?! (0, Troll)

danespen (996827) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796797)

The home theater and server can easily be combined, with the right hardware. Then get a corporate approved gaming laptop - voilà :-) - Two instead of five!

Re:FIVE?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797017)

Are you mad? Hard drives are extremely noisy, you wouldn't wan't one in your THX certified home theatre room.

Re:FIVE?! (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796903)

I resemble that remark, though I use my company laptop for "normal computer-type stuff", and don't play games much. Throw in a couple computers for the kids and another laptop for the wife and the numbers edge back up.

Re:FIVE?! (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797081)

One PC for name service and in the darkness BIND them.

Re:FIVE?! (1)

tijmentiming (813664) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796355)

One word: Marketing.

I bet you buy washing machines, micro waves and home cinema sets because the guy in the store "Uses this brand at home" as well.

Re:FIVE?! (1)

penp (1072374) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796551)

I read that as "warshing machines" for a second there. What am I turning into?!

Second Amendment Threat (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796385)

"Freedom is untidy." [cnn.com] —Donald Rumsfeld

Remember, kids: Violence and mayhem is proof of our nation's greatness. May the liberal antigun peaceniks never rob us of our untidy freedoms.

Re:FIVE?! (1)

Themer (994454) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796503)

That's like asking how long it takes him to clean his 15 bathrooms... /sarcasm

Re:FIVE?! (1)

Khomar (529552) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796607)

I can't even imagine why one person would want five PCs.

Easy. I have five computers in my house including two laptops. One laptop is for work. One laptop is for my wife, and I also use it when I am watching the kids (I don't usually watch them in my office). One is my file server. One is my primary home machine for things like Quicken and hobby development. My last computer (the admittedly frivolous one) is basically just used for LAN computer games. Here very soon it will be setup to host my children's computer games.

There is also another old computer currently sitting in my closet that once was (and hopefully will soon be again) a little web server.

If you own a computer hardware company and can afford to have five high quality computers in your house (especially considering he would get them at almost no cost), why not have five computers?

Re:FIVE?! (1)

quarrelinastraw (771952) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796615)

The three laptops are optimized to do different things. Some are bigger and have more power some are smaller. I have several computers each doing different things. Data syncing isn't a problem because I just put everything I work on in subversion and then 'svn update' whenever I switch computers.

I don't do any gaming, but I have several computers. If I had the money, I would have several more. For example, I would have one computer for running mathematical simulations and other number crunching, another one for programming and writing things (since the math computer would run at around 100% CPU all the time), a laptop for mobility, and another laptop that runs OS X for compatability. This doesn't even mention servers etc, or the possibility of having a desktop machine at home.

Re:FIVE?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797047)

"another one for programming and writing things (since the math computer would run at around 100% CPU all the time)"

Not a problem if you have a decent OS (and AFAIK Windows is included in this), enough RAM, and you set the process priorities right. I wrote my PhD thesis and ran various bits of code on a workstation that was permanently doing statistical calculations in the background. The background stuff ran a few percent slower, the foreground was as responsive as ever.

Personally I have a very portable sub-notebook (travelling light), a more normal laptop that it's comfier to work on but isn't as portable (working/long holiday), a desktop for games and anything else requiring heavy-duty processing (DVD rips mostly, sometimes playing around with octave), and another desktop made from bits that are spares left over from upgrading (I think this is broken, actually, but I've never really needed it).
Even my parents have 3 computers each and they're not particularly geeky - five doesn't seem that crazy. If I had the money and the space I'd have add a ready-made LAN party with 4 or so high-end computers set up, get a macbook pro and mini, a file server and maybe my own web/mail server...

Re:FIVE?! (1)

lanswitch (705539) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796719)

Laptop with XP and Linux. (useful for about anything.)
XP Workstation (used as harddisk recording system)
Linux workstation (for fun & profit)
Linux server (for fun&profit)
HTC universal pda (web-browsing, e-mail, pda)

so... 5 pc's seems pretty standard to me.

Re:FIVE?! (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796813)

Let's see. 1 video editor, 1 Gaming PC, 1 kitchen Tablet PC, 1 media center, 1 Toshiba Toughbook cf-30, 1 Latitude 131L, 1 Dell D600 1 MSI laptop for my daughter (in pink)

1 Security camera DVR PC 1 server pc.

Oh I forgot, another toughbook cf-28 in the garage for car tuning and diagnostics.

so I got 11 computers, 1 wife, 1 child. I have the parts to build 2 more... Looking to make a pair of mythbackends to reside at a couple of friends houses to record TV illegally for me.

except for the Toughbooks, everything else is chump change computers that cost less than $600.00 each when new. (a lowly out of date Pentium4 3ghz machine can edit HD video just fine as well as play every new game there is just fine)and all have their own jobs.

Re:FIVE?! (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796815)

How much time does he spend applying patches and updating software?

Come on, man. Do you think this guy does this on his own? The guy probably has a team of people who just change light bulbs.

Re:FIVE?! (1)

DoctorPepper (92269) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796845)

Five? Eh, well, I guess the five desktop systems and four notebooks on my home network are a tad out of the ordinary?

Re:FIVE?! (1)

sjvn (11568) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796927)

Heh. I've never had less than 20 in my home at any one time for more then a decade. The current count is 24.

And, yes, I use all of them.

And, yes, I could use more. For example, I don't have an Intel-based Mac or a recent SPARC box.

Steven

Re:FIVE?! (0, Troll)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796953)

Well he is a CEO of a rather large company. I bet he could aford it. The only thing that erks me he has so much money why does he wast it on crappy Dells he should use his money to get some good quality Macs.

Re:FIVE?! (1)

disasm (973689) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797107)

lets see...
Ubuntu Laptop
Debian Server at House 1 (too much of a hassle to bother upgrading when all it runs is ssh/screen)
Ubuntu Server at House 2
Ubuntu Server at Colo Data Center
Ubuntu on Media computer (freevo)
Knoppmyth on other media computer (mythtv of course) - May possibly be upgraded to ubuntu in the near future
Ubuntu Desktop at House 2
debian laptop at house 1 (no battery left, 1998 thinkpad)
netbsd 486 router at House 1

Should I keep going? And updates to debian/ubuntu computers are automatically done /w error checking script that e-mails me if I have to intervene. When a new release comes about (once every 3 years for deb, 6 mo for ubuntu), it takes about 5 mins per computer to get them all upgraded. This isn't including my work computers/computer I manage at work, just personal machines.

Sam

Re:FIVE?! (1)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797137)

Let's see, I've got my Powerbook, my wife has her iBook. There's the Mini in the office acting as a file and print server, and we've got my old Power Mac in the basement that's simply waiting to be sold. And if you include my web host, which I use to do offsite backups, that's 5 "PCs." I'm also thinking about setting up a MythTV box.

And I don't spend much time applying patches or transferring data. That's what scripts are for.

Makes perfect sense to me (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796301)

It's the easiest to use of the PC based desktop operating systems.

 

Re:Makes perfect sense to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796887)

You know, I used to say that windows is the easiest, but after giving ubuntu a try I think I agree with you. If you have no dependent programs and just use it for browsing, IM, music, piracy etc. I think either some *buntu or vector linux(great for old lappys) is easiest. Well, maybe mac, but I don't know anything about those. Maybe it's time for me to go back to a linux desktop...

not bad (1, Insightful)

phrostie (121428) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796335)

i'm not an Ubuntu user, but it is a choice.

MOD PARENT UP!!! +5 INFORMATIVE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796523)

this is the single greatest post on Slashdot...EVAR!!!

Just look at all of the information presented in so few words....Never has a user embodied the jist of an article/story more than "phrostie (121428)"..

incredible....please mod up and let this prose be read by all!!!!

Wait!! (1)

Y-Studios (988661) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796357)

But...Wait next month hes going to have OS/2! I cant wait to see that!

Feisty released (5, Informative)

bignickel (931486) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796359)

Although it's not officially announced yet, the Ubuntu Feisty Fawn torrents are live:

Desktop i386 [ubuntu.com]

Desktop AMD64 [ubuntu.com]

Server i386 [ubuntu.com]

Server AMD64 [ubuntu.com]

The more exotic torrents (and the directly downloadable ISOs) can be found at the official release site [ubuntu.com] but I thought we'd try to save their servers a bit of pain and heartache.

Re:Feisty released (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796405)

I thought we'd try to save their servers a bit of pain and heartache.

Indeed. Thanks a million.

Seriously? (1, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796391)

I really want to know what it is that makes people think Ubuntu is the best thing since sliced bread. I've tried it out, and it's not any better than a lot of other distros. Actually, I find that because they aim too much towards the home user, that it makes it difficult to do more advanced things. Personally, I use Mandriva. I have used it since version 7. I don't see Ubuntu doing anything that Mandriva (or Mandrake) wasn't doing 3 years ago.

Re:Seriously? (5, Insightful)

FKnight (521972) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796543)

Who are you to say that Ubuntu is aimed "too much" at the home user? Did you ever think that maybe that's who they're targeting? Every other Linux distribution isn't aimed at all at any variation of a home/average user. The folks at Ubuntu are probably going "gee, duh. Maybe we should make a distribution that you can use without having to have 6 years of sysadmin experience" You're doing the right thing by using a distribution you prefer. It's just a little off base to say that Ubuntu's distribution is aimed "too much" toward home users. Or do you prefer the days when you had to be a computer geek in order to use a computer?

Re:Seriously? (2, Insightful)

budword (680846) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796641)

I used Mandriva 3 years ago, and some since. Ubuntu got quite a few things right, with ease, that I couldn't find a way to do in Mandriva, even given the large amount of time I spent on those tasks back then. Installing Ecipse and Java for one, were a real pain in the ass. Ubuntu, it was a 3 minute job. I like Mandriva, and I think it was great for it's time, (back when I used it daily), but I've reached the point I want to work with my system and not work on it. Ubuntu gets so much right hassle free that no other distro I've tried comes close. And the community is willing to help newbies without yelling RTFM. Throw in it's debian (read apt) based instead of rpm based (bad bad memories from my red hat trial years ago), and I have a clear choice. It's not for everyone, but it is for me.

Re:Seriously? (3, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796643)

I don't see Ubuntu doing anything that Mandriva (or Mandrake) wasn't doing 3 years ago.

Windows Migration Assistant? [michaellarabel.com]

Re:Seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796995)

1. User Forums are excellent
2. FEISTY - Wireless works provided you have a "good" Linux NIC. using D-LINK DWL-G510 from newegg. $30.00
3. packages for software are simple and plenty
4. Eye candy or no eye candy, you choose
5. NOT 2400MB to get it all - 4 CDs for usual distro - it is one.
6. AGAIN - packages for software are simple and plenty. Took me 5 minutes yesterday to do a RAID 5 EVMS volume on FEISTY.

Re:Seriously? (1)

disasm (973689) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797029)

Really? I find the opposite. I find ubuntu to be a distro I can give to anyone, and they can figure out how to do almost anything they need to do on it. Then when I want to get to work, I can install fluxbox/aterm/dev libs/etc... And can do things the hard way without the hassle of getting the dependencies I need installed thanks to my good friend apt...

Now my question for you is what specific things are in Mandriva that make it easier for you to get things done than in ubuntu?

Sam

Re:Seriously? (2, Interesting)

porkThreeWays (895269) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797071)

Yes, the secret is out. High quality Linux distributions aren't that much different from each other. I think Ubuntu has come to the forefront because they've got the right advertising, were in the right place at the right time, have a very dedicated community which wants Ubuntu in the most hands, and because it still is a pretty good distribution. That's not to minimize all the hard work that has gone into Ubuntu, but everyone is working hard. Ubuntu just did a lot of non-technical things right as well combined with a little luck.

Oh Boy (1, Flamebait)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796401)

Now we'll never hear the end of the "Ubuntu Rocks" guys

Re:Oh Boy (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796633)

That's okay, they're not going to be nearly as bad as the 'Kubuntu is better' guys. ;) Which reminds me...

KUBUNTU! WHOO!

5 computers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796419)

He spends some amazing 1.2 minutes per day with each computer.
On a good day he may use the ubuntu laptop for 2min!

Support...... (2, Funny)

The Diver (310313) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796423)

How much time does he spend applying patches and updating software? Transferring data?

None. He has support take care of it.

No Vista (4, Insightful)

yuna49 (905461) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796509)

While it's interesting that he has an Ubuntu laptop, I'm more surprised that none of the four other machines are running Vista. They're all still using various flavors of XP.

He's smart, why shouldn't he run linux (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18796535)

Just made a living out of selling cheap windows boxes. You seriously think the owners of Mc.D. eat the burgers themselfes aswell? ;-)

Big Deal. (1)

crhylove (205956) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796549)

This is /. I'm not going to be impressed until he has them all synced up into one contiguous cockpit in some flight sim.

On a serious note though, he would probably sell more computers (eventually) if he DID switch a majority of his machines over to Ubuntu.

A. They'd be cheaper.
B. They'd work better.
C. They could have Beryl eye candy.

I mean, those 3 things are enough to easily make a Feisty machine sell more than a windows machine for 90% of the users out there who don't REALLY need DirectX.

rhY

Re:Big Deal. (0)

Martindale (942417) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796873)

THIS IS /. COUNTRY!!!!

Re:Big Deal. (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796969)

This is /. I'm not going to be impressed until he has them all synced up into one contiguous cockpit in some flight sim.

No no no, you're doing it wrong. I'll fix it for you:

This is /. I'm not going to be impressed until he has them all turned into a beowulf cluster.

Just sounds like a plug for Dell systems nothing (1)

ScrewTivo (458228) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796601)

more... How much does he use the systems? What are his comments on the various systems? Big whoop he has a computer with Linux on it. He is Mike Dell for gosh sakes.

OS by Ubuntu (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796729)

Watch by Cartier

Desk by Ethan Allen

Suit by Armani

Who cares what Michael Dell has on his laptop? How many people who work for "American" car companies drive "Japanese" cars? Just because his company has a deal with Bill Gates doesn't mean MD has to run Windows on his laptop, nor does it mean that what's on his laptop is going into production laptops. Talk about creating a stir over nothing...

Re:OS by Ubuntu (0)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796935)

Watch by Cartier

Desk by Ethan Allen

Suit by Armani


I take it by your comment that you think Ubuntu is the Cartier/Allen/Armani of Operating Systems?

Re:OS by Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797035)

How many people who work for "American" car companies drive "Japanese" cars?

Only those buidling "japanese" cars her in the States......

Gaming rig?! (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796781)

Oh, and Michael Dell's gaming system uses XP Media Center edition.

Get back to work, you slacker!

I used to support executives (3, Insightful)

gelfling (6534) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796871)

At a rather large tech company. A small cadre of top honchos had their own groupware server(s!), their own email server(s!) and their own dedicated VPN. They also had instant 24/7 unlimited support wherever they were for any of the multiple home or office machines they used. Their support ratio headcount was 1:1, e.g. each supported person had one FTE dedicated to them.

They simply did not acknowledge that anyone in the organization had any sort of technical problems at all and chalked it up to nerdy whining. Our budgets were routinely slashed, hardware and software was left running long past end of life, capacity planning was a joke and the internal costs for help desk calls and deskside visits were jacked up to absurdly high levels so that no managers would permit their own people to use them. Complaints to senior management were met with not so vague threats of termination, STFU, GBTW!

So if Mike Dell uses uBuntu it's probably because he's imperially disconnected from the realities in his own company. To him, I'm sure he feels that everyone has 5 PC's and full time free dedicated support from the best brains in the industry and what on earth are these peons complaining about now for God's sake?

Soft (2, Interesting)

mattr (78516) | more than 7 years ago | (#18796947)

I'd rather see several detailed screenshots per machine with detailed info on exactly what software packages are used, how he likes them, and how, and how much, they are used.

I must be the only one who thinks displays look cooler with something displayed in them.

That said it is almost enough to get me to buy those dual 30" ultrasharp displays. I mean they must be readable if Dell has them at home, right? Just how much do those suckers cost I wonder.. Quality of LCD display is pretty important to me as my eyes need rest.

more facts (1)

ElephanTS (624421) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797069)

The really big news though, is that so does Billy G! But he likes it to keep it real quiet. Balmer tried it but didn't understand it and went back to Workbench 3.9.

You all fell for it: this is PR at work.... (4, Insightful)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797113)

Oh, gee, Michael Dell, running dog lackey Microsoft/Intel fanboi now uses Ubuntu! See? Dell is really trying to those pesky Linux people! See? Mikey uses one at home, although there is the altar of XP Media Center there just to make sure that Bill's not pissed.

C'mon, folks--- this is PR working at its finest and you're getting sucked right into the nozzle. Dell support for Linux has been scant and waffling for years. Now you're being seduced by the fantasy that The Big Dell actually uses an OSS system. Get real.

From the drug world (1)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797119)

It is well know that a successful dealer doesn't use the drugs he sells.
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