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Ubuntu Feisty Fawn Released

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the have-at-it dept.

Linux 590

Lots of readers told us about the official release of Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn (screenshots here for Ubuntu and Kubuntu). Some readers report that the distribution servers are being hammered. Here is a review of Feisty Fawn. Reader LinuxScribe sends us to LinuxPlanet for the story on a pleasant Java surprise in the release.

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Sarkozy is teh devil ! (-1, Flamebait)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797133)

Save France from that neocon, vote elsewhere! Fuck Bush!

Re:Sarkozy is teh devil ! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797181)

Our good friend Don Imus has some suggestions for future Ubuntu releases.

Angy Akata
Busty Beaner
Crackhead Coon
Ditzy Darkie
Eerie Earfucker
Fisting Feminazi
Grubby Goombah
Horny Ho
Irate Inky
Jumping Jigabo
Kinky Kike
Lame Limey
Morose Moolie
Nappy Nigger
Obscene Oreo
Puny Popolo
Quiet Queer
Reeking Rafter
Sleazy Spic
Tipsy Tranny
Ugly UncleTom
Venomous Velcrohead
Wretched Whigger
Xenophobic Xena
Yellow Yenta
Zany Zebra

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Slashed already? (0, Offtopic)

spazmolytic666 (549909) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797155)

This Account Has Exceeded Its CPU Quota

That didn't take long...

Fast mirror at Indiana University (5, Informative)

cow ninja (306125) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797159)

Here is a quick mirror: (ftp also works) [indiana.edu] http://ftp.ussg.indiana.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/ 7.04/ [indiana.edu] maintained by http://www.ussg.iu.edu [iu.edu]

Go ahead, take our bandwidth :)

Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (5, Informative)

didde (685567) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797227)


Let's not forget The Pirate Bay, people. They've had this up since 03:00 UTC.

The .torrent [thepiratebay.org] is available here.

Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (5, Funny)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797463)

Let's not forget The Pirate Bay, people. They've had this up since 03:00 UTC.
I told The Pirate Bay that there was no piracy involved, it was perfectly legal to copy Ubuntu discs and pass them around.

They got all stroppy and took it down immediately.

Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797913)

What's .torrent mean?

haha, my image word is: bastard

Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797989)

Have you fallen through a wormhole from 2003 or something?

Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (4, Funny)

dfay (75405) | more than 7 years ago | (#18798007)

Ah, but is it a PROPER-FINAL release? Or is it just another tired beta leak from a group trying to get a reputation?

Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (3, Insightful)

Lunar_Lamp (976812) | more than 7 years ago | (#18798043)

How exactly do you 'leak' a public beta?

Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (5, Informative)

Zonk (troll) (1026140) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797273)

Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (4, Informative)

teh loon (974951) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797613)

Torrents are the way to go. A few hours ago I couldn't find the ISOs on most mirrors except for the ones that I downloaded slowly from, so I opted for the torrent option. Managed to download the ISO in an hour through DHT - the ubuntu tracker wasn't accepting the torrent then.

Now I'm installing it as I speak, and it's nearly done.

Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (0)

Y-Studios (988661) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797457)

THANK YOU!...I LOVE IT!!! :D

Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (2, Informative)

ender- (42944) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797583)

Get those torrents going folks :)

They haven't finished downloading yet but I've got bittorrent going on a 10Mbit connection for the following two disks [torrent links from the mirror posted above]:

Ubuntu Desktop i386 [indiana.edu]
Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [indiana.edu]

I'll leave them running for a day or two once they're finished downloading.

Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (5, Informative)

mattnuzum (839319) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797597)

Try the homepage now. We've simplified things and will update the mirror list frequently until the excitement dies down.

Please note that if you use Ubuntu now, you can update very easily, but don't use dist-upgrade. Instead:

Before you start

        * You can only directly upgrade to Ubuntu 7.04 ("Feisty Fawn") from Ubuntu 6.10 ("Edgy Eft") (see UpgradeNotes)
        * Be sure that you have all updates applied to Ubuntu 6.10 before you upgrade
        * The latest version of Update Manager (0.45.2) must be installed before you upgrade. Otherwise, you will receive an Authentication failed error. See [WWW] here for instructions how to check if you have the required version.

Note: If you have a version of Ubuntu which was released before Ubuntu 6.10, please see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/UpgradeFromOld Version [ubuntu.com] for information on how to upgrade.

Network upgrade for Ubuntu desktops (recommended)

You can easily upgrade over the network with the following procedure.

      1. Open System -> Administration -> Update Manager
      2. A button on the top of the window will appear, informing you of the availability of the new release
      3. Click Upgrade
      4. Follow the on-screen instructions

Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (2, Informative)

therevan (312663) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797685)

Thanks for posting those mirror links. For the KDE and educational users out there, here are the links to Indiana University's mirrors for the Feisty versions of: Xubuntu (the Xfce variant for low-end machines) is up on Ubuntu's official image servers:

Plesant Java Surprise? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797163)

Does that mean they removed it?

Re:Plesant Java Surprise? (5, Informative)

Kirth (183) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797361)

They bundled it. Except on 64bit machines, where it still does not work correctly and still does not have a browser plugin; because the bug-report for this is only two years old.

Re:Plesant Java Surprise? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797489)

Ohh goody. More people being encouraged to use Java. Just what we need.

torrents (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797177)

Don't bother with the official sites - I think they must be running Ubuntu Sluggish Slug Server Edition! Kidding aside, there are a myriad of torrent options.

Oh goody. (1)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797189)

I'm a happy user of 6.10 however, so I won't be upgrading for a bit.

In fact, I think I might wait a couple of months before getting the upgrade.

Though Java is nice ... In fact, I think I can keep my 6.10 system and just install Java from the 7.4 system can't I?

All in all, Ubuntu looks very tasty.

(Interestingly the front page of the Ubuntu homepage still says that it is going to be released tomorrow ...)

Re:Oh goody. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797339)

Java is in multiverse. You could always install Java from multiverse, it just involved jumping through some hoops since Sun used to require some truly stupid redistribution requirements. (You still have to accept the Java license before being allowed to even download the JRE from Sun.)

All this changes is that now Ubuntu is allowed to distribute the JRE directly, otherwise it's essentially identical. And install the Java documentation STILL involves manually downloading the documentation and sudo cping it into /tmp.

I'm not sure the Ubuntu 6.10 Java package support Java 6, but it definitely supports Java 5, and there's really no noticeable difference between Java 5 and Java 6.

Seriously, the "Java surprise" is basically non-existent. By default, you still can't install Java without enabling multiverse, which is disabled by default.

Re:Oh goody. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797465)

But netbeans is still poo.

Why Can't Linux Developers Match OS X (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797223)

Yes Linux has come a long way in desktop features and the other things that make up a desktop environment, but I just don't understand how Linux desktop UIs still can't manage to get spacing, font/text placement and alignment, shading, and all the other details that make OS X so instantly appealing to so many people, regardless if they want to are able to pay for Macs of their own to use.

Just compare:

http://shots.linuxquestions.org/scaled/Ubuntu%207. 04/11.gif [linuxquestions.org]

vs

http://images.apple.com/macosx/leopard/images/inde xdesktop20060807.jpg [apple.com]

I just don't understand how there can remain such a huge gap in the attention to detail and refinement with Linux desktops and apps. Have Linux developers never used Interface builder and it's alignment spacing tools or ever really sat down with a Mac and gone over the various OS X UI parts to understand how and why the feel and work so well?

Re:Why Can't Linux Developers Match OS X (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797261)

Now you did it... :)

Here come all the teenage Linux fanboys talking about 'skinning' and 'eye candy'...

Re:Why Can't Linux Developers Match OS X (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797313)

Looks like some Ubuntu devs showed up!

Re:Why Can't Linux Developers Match OS X (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797743)

Funny, aside from the dijointed menu drop down on the Ubuntu screen shot, I find the Ubuntu looks much better. (Actually, KDE doesn't have that problem, just as a comparison - Actually, I'll take the look of KDE over OSX any day). I'll also keep my menu bars with my windows and not at the top of the screen, thanks.

There were no menu drop downs on the mac screen shot, but I know what those look like, and I know they are better done.

Re:Why Can't Linux Developers Match OS X (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797811)

"Funny, aside from the dijointed menu drop down on the Ubuntu screen shot, I find the Ubuntu looks much better."

And there it is like clockwork. Right on time. Some idiotic fanboy pipes in with the inevitable idiotic comment.

Go away idiot.

Re:Why Can't Linux Developers Match OS X (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797909)

actually, I'm neither a Linux fanboi (I hate the OS). However, Gnome, which the true idiot was complaining about (although she/he called them Linux for some reason), are actually cross platform, and you can even get them to run on your precious mac.

The fact of the matter is, I don't like the look and feel of the Mac Operating system (it's much better than it was pre OS X I grant you that). There are things it does well, there are things it does very well, and there are things it does poorly.

Example: The text the OP complained about not being lined up? It appears to be vertically centered as it's line up, not lined up by the top or bottom. This would make things with different line count seem not lined up, even though they are.

Oh yes, and here's a hint, if you want to make an argument, don't insult people who disagree with you, especially when they don't insult you - it hurts your case.

won't work (1)

Sobieski (1032500) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797229)

Trying to boot my old comp with the cd, no luck : / Strange, Linux cds don't seem to wanna boot but Windows XP had no trouble doing it, but I don't want to run that O_o

Re:won't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797307)

If you are just looking, try booting it on your new PC. Since it is a live CD, you don't have to touch your new PC's disk to see Ubuntu.

Re:won't work (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797491)

Sounds like it might be a bad burn. Try burning another disc, at a lower burn rate.

Re:won't work (1)

Sobieski (1032500) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797593)

thanks, but actually, i booted with and verified the disc on my new computer and it was error-free

Is your WinXP disk a burn? (1)

Smeagel (682550) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797777)

Not that I'd expect an answer if that's true...but ;) A lot of times older drives have real problems with burns, in various ways. If your XP disk is an official release and not a burned copy it would make sense why XP would boot and your burned linux disks would not.

Re:Is your WinXP disk a burn? (1)

Sobieski (1032500) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797923)

It is a very genuine copy ;) with the hologram disc and other fancy stuff

You might want to consider... (1)

Smeagel (682550) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797995)

getting a new drive if you'd really like Linux on that box. CD drives cost all of $10 these days, and a new drive would certainly fix that problem. I had to go that route 3 or 4 years ago with a computer that was 3 or 4 years old at the time.

Re:won't work (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797813)

How old is your "old" computer? I tried booting Ubuntu on my old P1-233 and it didn't work. Turned out you need at least a Pentium II to run it; which, to be fair, is still a pretty ancient machine by today's standards.

Re:won't work (1)

Sobieski (1032500) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797957)

It is a PIII 450MHz so not extremely old, but still no monster

Re:won't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797863)

I've seen a few computers that do exactly the same thing. For example--there's my computer and my sister's computer (two Gateways, 1.5 GHz and 1.6 GHz P4s with 256 megs of memory) that run any disc I throw into them flawlessly. Then, there's my mom's Compaq (I think think that's the brand) that absolutely refused every disc (literally, dozens) I tried... except Windows XP. Whether it's the copy of XP that came with it, my retail copy, or my sister's Gateway OEM disc, they all run... but not a single Linux disc.

I had to remove the stock DVD-ROM drive, replace it with a store-bought CD-ROM drive, and set the original DVD drive to slave. Since then, it's worked fine... it now runs just about everything its cheap, low-powered hardware can handle. The machine is also not that old, and the drive works fine... I swear these companies are finding ways to purposely make it hard to boot anything other than Windows.

Also, my friend has a Gateway laptop, and it also refuses to boot Linux discs. Only, because it's a laptop, I won't even bother trying to go all that trouble with the disc drive just to see if I can get Linux on it.

Re:won't work (1)

dbcad7 (771464) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797993)

I had the same problem on an old machine. The solution was to change the CDrom drive. Not saying that it's guarenteed to work on your machine. In my case after various upgrades to other computers I happend to have another CD-Rom player lying around. You also might want to make sure your not doing something like burning to DVD-Iso and trying to read it with a standard Cd-rom dirve.. (It happens). Good luck

Upgrade from 6.10 (3, Informative)

raffe (28595) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797235)

I have just update my 6.10 vmware image running on my win xp to 7.04. Runs great. If you want to try to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 open a terminal and enter
gksu "update-manager -c -d" and follow instructions. As always, back up your computer fist. :-D

Re:Upgrade from 6.10 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797323)

> As always, back up your computer fist.

Why?

It's not like it's going to mkfs over my /home partition, is it?

What's different about this compared to a regular 'apt-get install', except for upgrading more packages? You don't backup everything before you do that, do you? (Do you?!)

Serious question, BTW. Yes, I have backups to guard against disk failures, house burning down, etc.

Re:Upgrade from 6.10 (3, Insightful)

Clover_Kicker (20761) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797649)

probability of ruining /home : very low
consequence of ruining /home : very high

You do whatever you like, my /home lives on a server that's backed up every night, TYVM.

Re:Upgrade from 6.10 (3, Insightful)

bytor4232 (304582) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797713)

gksu "update-manager -c -d" and follow instructions. As always, back up your computer fist. :-D

I don't know if thats a good idea. I could be wrong, but what your asking for is to upgrade to the last beta. You may want to wait a few days before running update-manager.

Check it out:

arthur@persephone:~$ update-manager --help
usage: update-manager [options]

options:
    -h, --help show this help message and exit
    -c, --check-dist-upgrades
                                                Check if a new distribution release is available
    -d, --devel-release Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is
                                                possible
    --dist-upgrade, --dist-ugprade
                                                Try to run a dist-upgrade
arthur@persephone:~$

Re:Upgrade from 6.10 (4, Informative)

bytor4232 (304582) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797787)

To properly upgrade 6.10 to 7.04 simply go to System - Administration - Update Manager. The button just appeared on my update-manager informing me of a new release.

Use the torrents, people (4, Insightful)

moranar (632206) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797265)

Help alleviate the load: use the torrents.

Re:Use the torrents, people (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797423)

In fact, I'm using the torrents now. I love it when a release announcement on Slashdot goes up -- the more people downloading using the torrents, the faster it is for everyone.

Gentoo has failed me too many times (0, Flamebait)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797267)

I am going to try this ungla bunga linux out, and I will advise...

My beef with "turnkey" distros is they always seem to be missing something I need.

For example, I have 4 drives encrypted (dm-crypt).. Does unga bunga have all the device mapper and crypt support built into its kernel?

Also, I auth against an LDAP machine, so I need nss-ldap and pam-ldap and all of that jibber jabber. Samba needs to be able to join my samba-controlled domain, too.

Re:Gentoo has failed me too many times (3, Informative)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797395)

Re:Gentoo has failed me too many times (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797419)

I wonder why you've been modded flaimbait. Is the Ubuntu fever that high here?

Re:Gentoo has failed me too many times (2, Informative)

Anivair (921745) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797619)

I think it is. Linux geeks have a powerful love for Ubuntu (I know, being one myself). Personally, i think ubuntu is the best shot Linux has at the desktop market in any way. It's easier to set up and run that any windows and doesn't lack any features. As long as you're willing to actually USE the internet and look for answers to your questions, you're in luck. And to be fair, technical support in ubuntu (at the publuc forums) is vastly superior to windows tech support (I admin both OS's and linux is easier to get help with by far). So there's a reason for the ubuntu love, certainly. But with Vista just out, any new linux dostro story is bound to spark flames.

Re:Gentoo has failed me too many times (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797969)

It's because there's no (-1, Too lazy to use google) moderation. And it's spelled Flamebait, btw.

Re:Gentoo has failed me too many times (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797435)

The Debian (therefore Ubuntu) package repository is one of the largest on the planet. At least double the packages Gentoo plus you don't have to screw around compiling crap unless you want to. Note that Ubuntu/Debian have a package build system that's similar to the Gentoo ebuild junk, it's just that most people prefer binaries.

Yes it comes with dm-crypt support. Note that depending on your requirements, loop-aes is more secure than the dm-crypt stuff.

All the LDAP stuff is supported. Samba too.

Re:Gentoo has failed me too many times (1, Flamebait)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797477)

My problem has always been the packages are missing something I need. Like SAMBA wont have CUPS support or LDAP, or whatever. There's always some --enable-bullshit flag that's left out.

The last time I played with Debian (admittedly, years ago), it was pretty rough this way.

Re:Gentoo has failed me too many times (1)

Drew McKinney (1075313) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797889)

That was my biggest upset with Debian (I too played with it several years ago). I was always a slackware guy until Ubuntu.

My only upset with Ubuntu is it's networking support; wireless inparticular. I have a laptop running Edgy right now whose eth0 will go up and down depending on the weather. Both eth0 and eth1 have IP addresses assigned (DHCP) and are sending packets but otherwise it appears to not work (ping throws nothing, for example). Yes, ive checked IPTABLES and route -n and etc/networking/devices and nothing.
/RANT

Hopefully Feisty will fix some of these issues. I really enjoy my Ubuntu laptop on the plane -- "What version of windows is that? You're doing so much and it doesn't lag at all"

Old news! (4, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797283)

I already heard this from Michael Dell.

Re:Old news! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797571)

Good for you.



Oh wait, sorry, I don't really give a fuck about whether you already know, nor what you ate for breakfeast. This isn't you blog.

Re:Old news! (1)

tolan-b (230077) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797687)

It was a joke you moron.

Not a very funny one, but a joke none the less.

Re:Old news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797697)

wooosh!

Finally! (2, Funny)

tygerstripes (832644) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797295)

At last, Ubuntu are all set to work on the release they really wanted to push: Generic Gnu!

(Of course, it'll be a Gazelle, but hey.)

Re:Finally! (3, Informative)

StonedRat (837378) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797367)

It's already been announced as Gutsy Gibbon.

OMG ICE BURN lolol (0, Redundant)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797297)


        * Your site has used more than 20% of the cpu.
        * Your account has too many processes running at the same time.
        * Your site was consuming too many resources. This happens on occassion to very busy sites that have inefficient scripts running.

Not too many 404s directly diss the sites coder like that..

Not according to their homepage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797309)

www.ubuntu.com says
"Countdown to Ubuntu 7.04 \n Release is Tomorrow"

Tomorrow as in "In several hours"

Just my 2c

(a Dapper user myself)

Where did you get that "news" from? (1)

F-3582 (996772) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797347)

Neither the Website [ubuntu.com] nor the repos know of this, yet... And yes, I ran the Update Manager with -c.

Re:Where did you get that "news" from? (1)

kriston (7886) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797455)

The file's been up for several hours at:
http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ [ubuntu.com]
and:
http://frei.ubuntu.com/feisty/ [ubuntu.com]

Re:Where did you get that "news" from? (1)

F-3582 (996772) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797675)

Now, I see it. And the Homepage got a little facelift, as well. Unfortunately, the repos still haven't been updated...

Thanks Mark (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797385)

Whatever we think about this man, we should thank him to have launched the Ubuntu Project. This is the first Linux distro that have the potential to succeed on the Desktop and to get some decent market share beside Windows and MacOS.

Re:Thanks Mark (1)

theantipop (803016) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797709)

It's been my plan to replace Windows on my second PC with this Ubuntu release. The only problem I can forsee is setting up MythTV to work with my Radeon AIW. Either way it should make for a fun weekend project!

Re:Thanks Mark (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 7 years ago | (#18798059)

DON'T DO IT. Radeon AIW support under linux sucks. I have a desktop sys that used to be my gaming machine that I just can't use because of the poor driver support...

I love Ubuntu, but this isn't an Ubuntu only issue. ATi's linux drivers are the worst thing as far as stability goes. (you can't switch to a terminal and back without a complete system lock, you can't switch rendering modes without a complete system lock, you can't go to sleep and come back without a complete system lock)

System Requirements? (2, Informative)

2008 (900939) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797409)

Based on the review this is worth upgrading to - but what are the system requirements like? 6.06 is just usable on my 196 meg RAM laptop, will this push it over the edge?

Incidentally, how come SAMBA isn't included by default? This bit me recently when trying to move files between 2 networked (but not on the internet) computers.

Re:System Requirements? (3, Informative)

SomeGuyTyping (751195) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797521)

on SAMBA, just begin to set up a share and synaptic will download and install the SAMBA components.

Re:System Requirements? (1)

Library Spoff (582122) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797563)



if you've a rt2500 based wireless card you might wanna get something else..

Re:System Requirements? (1)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797609)

Possible security reasons? It's about the only thing I can think of.

Re:System Requirements? (1)

hollywoodb (809541) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797699)

With only 196MB RAM you'd likely be much better served by something like ArchLinux, Zenwalk, or another more lightweight distribution. Hell, even plain Debian has less cruft than Ubuntu. There may be a little more setup involved, but even Xubuntu is a bit of a stretch for 196MB. I've been an ArchLinux as well as Zenwalk user, and they both have very helpful communities, although much smaller than Ubuntu's. There's also LinuxQuestions.org.

Disclaimer: I don't see a point in Ubuntu. OpenSUSE does what (K)Ubuntu does better with better hardware support. Always has. Publicity != Quality. I'm glad Ubuntu is bringing GNU/Linux to the masses, but there have always been easy to use distros such as OpenSUSE, Ark, etc.

Maybe I'm just sick of hearing about what brand of tissue Mark S. uses to wipe his ass or what shade of brown the next Ubuntu wallpaper will be... Correlation? Perhaps.

Re:System Requirements? (2, Insightful)

mbrod (19122) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797707)

Have you tried to run Xubuntu [xubuntu.org] ? It runs xfce [xfce.org] as the window manager and is suppose to have lighter hardware requirements. I would wait a bit on trying to get that distro or even access their site as the entire Ubuntu world is getting slammed right now.

Use KDE (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797799)

It uses shared libraries to better effect than Gnome. The result is a far lower memory requirement. It's also faster when it comes to display updates for some reason.

 

slashdotted... this time IRC, not HTTP (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797415)

On freenode,

#ubuntu = 1600 users
#ubuntu-release-party = 850 users

In the last hour, these have both gone up by around 100-200 each. 24hrs ago, #ubuntu-release-party had 20 people.

Apparently this is a new record for the freenode IRC network!

Forget whether or not ubuntulinux.org can remain online, everyone start praying for the poor folk at freenode :)

Java is not YET Free software (-1, Troll)

crush (19364) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797527)

It seems as though Ubuntu is intent on cementing its position as the cheat of the Linux distros: each new release is notable for the inclusion of innovative code whipped up by hackers hired by Ubuntu, but rather for which non-Free software they include. This is detrimental to the rest of the Linux distros as it weakens the pressure on Sun cement the deal and release the entire Java as Free Software.

Ubuntu seems consistently (whether it be proprietary, closed, non-Free wireless or video card drivers or this) just to be attempting consistently to squeeze a few extra percent of the market share at the expense of the long-term robustness of Free software.

Maybe the next release should be Sneaky Snake or Conniving Chimp ?

Erratum: should have read (1)

crush (19364) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797575)

each new release is notable NOT for the inclusion of innovative code whipped up by hackers hired by Ubuntu

Re:Java is not YET Free software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797717)

yep, the so called number #1 bug should be read:
"Ubuntu doesnt have a majority market share in the linux distro marketplace. This is a bug, which heavy hype is designed to fix."
I want to tbe there and see their faces when he sells it out to google.

And we don't care. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797801)

We already have GNU/Debian for that. HTH.

Re:And we don't care. (0, Flamebait)

crush (19364) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797919)

We already have GNU/Debian for that Only for the moment. Canonical is trying (unsuccesfully at the moment because they don't offer a convincing long-term support package in part because some of their included software is closed/proprietary) to move into the commercial/enterprise market. This hurts distros like Debian because there's always some careless, ignorant manager that will switch based on the hype from his over-excited junior sysadmins. Ubuntu/Canonical's strategy of pushing non-Free software is dangerous for all Linux users, including ironically the users of Ubuntu itself (but if the profiles are anything to be believed these are largely people that were perfectly happy using Microsoft and Apple OSs and just want a free/low-price OS, so they probably don't care).

Re:Java is not YET Free software (4, Insightful)

at_slashdot (674436) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797805)

Ah, please can you take your self-righteousness and shove it up your ass?

Re:Java is not YET Free software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797951)

Ah, please can you take your self-righteousness and shove it up your ass?


Aye.. I second that.

Re:Java is not YET Free software (4, Funny)

jetxee (940811) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797821)

Well said and sad. The cheat of Linux distros. Way too easy to get it working...

Re:Java is not YET Free software (1)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797849)

How about Radical Realist or GoodForSomething Goose?

I'm guessing you missed the news that Ubuntu is coming out with a COMPLETELY free distro for those who like practically useless installs? They haven't named it yet but they are definitely coming out with it. What do you think of the name, CrippledByPrinciplesBuntu?

Re:Java is not YET Free software (5, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797867)

Ubuntu seems consistently (whether it be proprietary, closed, non-Free wireless or video card drivers or this) just to be attempting consistently to squeeze a few extra percent of the market share at the expense of the long-term robustness of Free software. Maybe the next release should be Sneaky Snake or Conniving Chimp ?

Whether you agree with what the Ubuntu project is doing or not, there is nothing sneaky about it. They have never tried to hide what they are doing.

Many of us, including me, have been asking for a long time for a distribution that fucking works. One that does things, out of the box, that every other operating system does. And we frankly don't care if that means that we have to run closed software today. Because as we have seen, the existence of closed software on Linux does not prevent people from working on open alternatives to it. The existence of free-as-in-beer Java hasn't stopped people from working on free-as-in-speech implementations (and as you point out, Java is on its way to Freedom.) The existence of the free-as-in-beer nVidia drivers isn't stopping work on an alternative.

Ubuntu is doing what a sizable slice of the community has asked them to do, and your complaining about it is ridiculous. Complain about the users if you like.

And stop complaining about the lack of Ubuntu-distributed new features. Even if no one "at" Ubuntu ever fixed a bug, which frankly is not required by the Open Source model, they do a shitload to coordinate it, and they have done more to package Linux for the end user than anyone else.

Finally, Ubuntu is going to be bringing out an entirely-Free distribution. So I'm not really sure what you're bitching about. If Free software can't compete on its own merits, then it deserves to lose.

Re:Java is not YET Free software (1, Troll)

crush (19364) | more than 7 years ago | (#18798033)

Many of us, including me, have been asking for a long time for a distribution that fucking works.

And your acceptance of non-Free software now, today means that you'll still be asking for the same thing 10 years down the road. It's a long term losing strategy for very minimal short-term gain.

Ubuntu as a distribution fits into the software ecosystem as a parasite. It gives back very litte in terms of original new code or projects and weakens the push for Free software.

How about Parasitic Pig?

Re:Java is not YET Free software (4, Funny)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797925)

Yeah everybody knows linux should stay pushing philosophies instead of actually work. Who needs users anyways?

Holy slashdotting, Batman! (1)

Markus_UW (892365) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797605)

Was it just me or did ubuntu.com just get slashdotted there, and come up again just recently? Good work my slashdotting friends.

UbuntuStudio (2, Interesting)

SomeGuyTyping (751195) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797607)

I'm excited about this release mainly because UbuntuStudio was supposed to come out with Feisty. I'm looking forward to having a maintained and stable realtime kernel for audio work

Transalation of news (-1, Flamebait)

postmortem (906676) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797733)

New version of Useless Linux for Idiots is out.

Re:Transalation of news (0, Troll)

Hohlraum (135212) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797927)

I make 6 figures working with Debian on the Server and Ubuntu on the Desktop. I'm also 6'6 and 350lbs. Now what is it you just called me?

Might skip this version (5, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797737)

and the next one...

Bring on Version 9: Hungry Hungry Hippo!

Linux Mint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18797759)

There's nothing that Feisty has that's missing in Linux mint. Well, except for the poop theme. Also, as Mint is largely a duplication of Ubuntu, the Ubuntu Forums and community are just as useful with either distribution. I run Mint on my laptop, and I notice that it not only looks nicer by default (with a great theme that's superior to what you'll find at gnome-look.org), but more importantly, it runs everything faster. Give it a try!

Dual-boot (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797775)

I might wanna try this on my WinXP laptop as dual-boot.
Can anybody tell me if it's possible to remove Ubuntu from the dual-boot later?
Just like to have a backup options. Otherwise I'd have to go through the pain of imaging my harddisk first.

Also, I currently use Outlook Express on both laptop and desktop, with the laptop install pointing to a shared folder on the desktop. Is there any Linux application which is able to natively work with an Outlook Express e-mail folder. Or would I be able to share e-mail in a similar way if I installed Thunderbird on all my computers?

Re:Dual-boot (1)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 7 years ago | (#18797971)

It is "possible", you may just reformat the partition later using windows XP "administrator tools" and remaking the boot record or whatever from the "repair" tools in windowx XP CD.
Or just save documents and restore OEM.

I am not familiar with desktop email but I heard thunderbird compatibility with outlook has been increased greatly in the last 2.0 version.

Java (2, Interesting)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 7 years ago | (#18798041)

I don't like Java too much but I really think that although ubuntu may be rushing it (since Java has not been GPLed yet) linux and Java may make a great alliance, let's face it, linux has the issue that windows programs don't work on it, even with WINE there are issues sometimes, and Java's main selling point (cross platform-ness ) doesn't quite work with the current operating system monopoly situation. The only thing we needed to start improving the situation was a distribution that comes with sun's Java installed by default, these are great news.
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