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Nintendo's Sale Dominance Gets Noticed

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the that's-why-they-call-it-the-big-n dept.

Businesses 152

Via Kotaku, a Wall Street Journal report on Nintendo's continued dominance of the game charts. The piece rehashes the February NPD numbers and discusses the role the Wii and DS have had in revitalizing a company the WSJ refers to as an 'also-ran'. "To take better advantage of the Wii's growth, EA moved quickly to ramp up game production for the system, acquiring Headgate Studios, a developer in Utah focused entirely on making titles for Nintendo hardware, and shifting resources in other EA development groups to Nintendo projects. The company released four titles for the Wii in March, including a version of its Tiger Woods golf game in which players swing the Wii controller like a club. EA is also working on a line of consumer guides for the Nintendo DS that will be aimed at older players in Japan."

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Obligatory (0, Troll)

Karganeth (1017580) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813221)

Stiill?

Sorry.

Saw it coming... (3, Insightful)

bynary (827120) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813227)

Sony's hubris was palpable. I'm not quite sure why Microsoft hasn't garnered more of a lead here though.

Re:Saw it coming... (5, Interesting)

MMInterface (1039102) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813975)

MS's flagship game hasn't come out yet. For a lot of people Halo was the reason to get the Xbox. I don't think they are going overtake Nintendo when Halo 3 comes out but I'm sure they will be doing a lot better. I expected the 360 to be doing much worse. Its Sony's low sales that have suprised me.

Re:Saw it coming... (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815753)

Sony doesn't have low sales. They've sold more consoles then Microsoft did relative to release date. Low compared to the PS2? You betcha. Is that a surprise? No, why should it be? It's more expensive, and it's the last of the "big three" to join the party.

Rumors of the PS3's death are greatly exaggerated.

Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18813245)

In fact, Nintendo is doing so well, that Square-Enix has suggested that Final Fantasy XIII may in fact be heading to the Wii. (Probably as a port.) In any case, they have 100% confirmed that it will no longer be a PS3 exclusive.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18813271)

In any case, they have 100% confirmed that it will no longer be a PS3 exclusive.

No, they haven't.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (3, Informative)

CaptCommy (872383) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813359)

Yes they have. http://www.ps3center.net/story-394.html [ps3center.net]

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (2, Informative)

SynergyBlades (1004560) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813411)

No, they really haven't. That is the only site on the entire intarweb that is reporting this "news"; I would not be surprised if all they've done is misread the scans of the interview which stated the series (Fabula Nova Crystallis) as a whole is not exclusive to PS3 and mobile, which we knew already, since there are entries to come. No, FFXIII is still exclusive to PS3 so far, until Square Enix says otherwise - at which point it'll be on more games news sites than just "PS3 Center".

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (3, Informative)

CaptCommy (872383) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813531)

You kinda fail at google. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167864.html?sid=6167 864&action=convert [gamespot.com] Its all over the web if you look for it.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (2, Informative)

SynergyBlades (1004560) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813637)

You kinda fail at timelines. That one's old news, and still nothing official has actually come from those discussions. It's a fairly giant leap to go from the game's exclusivity being under negotations with Sony and Square Enix, to it being "100% confirmed" that it's multiplatform.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18816673)

Get over yourself. YOU'RE WRONG! There! Stop being a whiny bitch about it!

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18814311)

lol, only on slashdot could you be modded down as a troll for calling out FUD

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813445)

That sound you hear in the background is various SCE execs committing suicide. Oh wait, sorry, the sound of that is "probably too cheap." But regardless, losing FFXIII exclusivity is a sign of the beginning of the end for the PS3. If Sony can't keep squeenix in line, then all they have left to force people to buy their console is Gran Turismo. Can anyone suggest an excellent gran turismo-style racing game for PC? I don't plan to buy a PS3 or an Xbox 360.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (1, Insightful)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813623)

Um...no. That article doesn't confirm jack squat.

The number one reason? The complete and utter lack of sources. No quotes, no press releases, no anything - just their assertion that he said it, which, given that "ps3center" isn't exactly a reliable news source, is definitely not enough to base these kinds of assertions off of.

Consider it complete and utter bullshit until we see it verified by someone who's more reputable.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815229)

You're correct, I don't trust that article for a minute. A bunch of fanboys from all sides have been quoting it on various sites, and I take absolutely no stock in it.

A) there is no evidence that FFXIII is being ported to the 360
B) there is no evidence that FFXIII is being ported to the Wii
C) there is no evidence that FFXIII is being ported to the DS

BUT...

There IS evidence that FFXIII may NOT be exclusive to the PS3, but that could mean any one of the above, or the PC. The only sure quote we have is from the president of SCE France saying that FF13s exclusivity is under question. No platforms have been named, so anything up until this point is pure rumor, speculation, and wishfull thinking. Nothing wrong with speculation, but don't present it as fact.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (0, Troll)

rnmartinez (968929) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813701)

what wil happen is they will make Final Fantasy XIII: Crystal Chronicles or some kind of knockoff for the Wii - I doubt they would let Nintendo have a real FF game - although it beats the hell out of me as to why not. I know that the Wii us underpowered but I don't own an HDTV so if I play FF XIII its going to be in 480p regardless of the platform.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (2, Interesting)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813777)

I thought they said that Final Fantasy XIII wasn't going to be exclusive to PS3. This can easily mean a couple of things:

a) Outright port of Final Fantasy XIII or XIII Versus to XBox360, PC or Wii
b) Another game in the set of games they're releasing under the FFXIII project umbrella for another system. A good bet would be DS, followed by Wii or XBox360.

In my mind, b is most likely because they are already advertising that at the Square-Enix Party this year they will be unveiling a brand new FF game that no one knows about. An outright port to the 360 or PC would be possible if PS3 sales continue to lag to the point where the current install base + new customers just for FF13 will not recoup the loss from development (which is supposed to be offset by numerous ports/remakes released this year). If the cost:benefit ratio for a port to a different platform will help them at least break even on the entire project then it's inevitable and good business sense. Square has already gone on record stating that this generation is going to be expensive, so if they drop the cross-platform FF13 hammer, I'm not going to be surprised at all.

A Wii port could be done if they were smart about it. They would be smart to scale back the real-time rendering to FFXII standards and they can still keep the FMVs at high poly counts, just re-sized to 480p. Redoing a game but keeping the same plot, etc. isn't impossible. They scrapped Mother 3 for the N64 and remade it from the ground up as a GBA game. Also, Namco was working on a Xenosaga Episode 1+2 game for the DS as well at one point.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815085)

Actually, that's already a given. Square has said that there are going to be six games in the Fabula Nova Chrystalis series (FF13 series) that will span quite a few different platforms and styles of gameplay, and has STRONGLY hinted at Wii and/or DS titles. What's more up in the air is the central title itself, Final Fantasy XIII, whose exclusivity is now under question.

I think that a 360 port would be a bit simpler, especially since the white engine runs on both the PS3 and the 360... although reprogramming for non-cell architecture is no small feat. I've made this analogy before, but it's like choosing to take a cross-country trip from LA... if the Wii is NYC, then the 360 is Pitsberg... sure, Pitsberg is closer, but considering the length of the trip, it's not going to make a huge difference, one way or the other.

As for re-doing the game, that's a little unneccessary. Mother 3 isn't a very good example, since the N64 and GBA use incredibly different hardware... the N64 can do 3D graphics, the GBA can't. The Wii and PS3 still can do exactly the same kinds of graphics, just to different degrees of perfection. They polygon count isn't quite as much of an issue as the shaders and lighting effects, which are pretty simple to step down off of. Making the game 480p instead of 1080p will reduce power requirements greatly, practically solving a lot of the GPU issues right there. As people have said, the difference between Wii and PS3/360 graphics at 480p resolutions is pretty marginal.

About 90% of development time and costs for RPGs are in their design, NOT their coding, so if you're not going to obtain the exclusivity bonus, you might as well port it to all possible consoles (within reason). So I think there's probably a good chance that we'll see a tri-system release for FFXIII.

Versus XIII is still a PS3 exclusive, for all we've heard, though.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815261)

For some reason I think Versus would be a more compelling choice for the Wii since after playing Twilight Princess, I can easily see them doing a Kingdom Hearts (pretty analogous to Versus from what I've heard) or similar action RPG on the system with motion sensing for sword swinging, etc. However, seeing as how Versus is being touted as more of a side-story/spinoff/densetsu, I'm guessing they're expecting lesser sales for it anyways. So a port of Versus would be a lesser choice compared to the main game.

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that the Square Enix party is gonna be covered like mad by the gaming press. I think a lot of people are waiting with bated breath to hear a definitive news report on the fate of FF13 before they decide to get a PS3. Also, I think the KH community is waiting big time to hear what's next in that series at this event. Anyone know if there's plans for hands-on demonstrations of DQIX?

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815831)

No hands-on demonstration of DQIX... trailor only. :(

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (1)

Omeger (939765) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815445)

Square Enix didn't make Mother 3.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815489)

You don't say? Jeez I did not know that.

I was just using it as an example of a game that was scrapped entirely and was brought back up in a different style but with the writing and scenario intact. Which was something that another responder pointed out: RPGs are 90% scenario / story.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (3, Informative)

Chainsaw Karate (869210) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815447)

NO, Square-Enix have never suggested that Final Fantasy XIII will be multiplatform. AFAIK that rumor came from a mistranslation of this article http://www.gamefront.de/ [gamefront.de] that has been going around some message boards. They HAVE confirmed that the FF XIII series will be multiplatform, and have hinted that there will be more than the three we know about, but they've never stated that FF XIII itself will be multiplatform. Also see this interview with Hiromichi Tanaka http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid= 24297 [gamesindustry.biz] where he says

"Up to PlayStation 2, all consoles had roughly the same concept of how to enjoy the gaming experience. With next-gen, each has different features and is targeted at a different audience.

So, we have to make different titles for different platforms, depending on what sort of game we want to make and what the users will be expecting; we can choose which platform we want to go for. This is completely different from the old games industry."

Also, the idea of porting a graphically demanding game like FF XIII to the Wii is total fucking nonsense.

Re:Final Fantasy XIII May Be Coming to the Wii (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815469)

I heard it from an Anonymous Coward on Slashdot who provided no links to any sources, so it must be true!

"Informative" my ass.

one word (3, Funny)

cpt.hugenstein (1025183) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813285)

Nintendo execs say only one word as they ride the rollercoster to the top... wiii! (mandatory wii joke, I know its getting old)

Re:one word (5, Funny)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813399)

No need to explain yourself, buddy...wii understand

Two name-jokes already? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18814507)

Okay, but let's stop there. Thwii or four would be wiidiculous.

(checking "Post Anonymously" out of shame...)

Dominating (4, Funny)

EmperorKagato (689705) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813333)

[quake3arena]

DOMINATING

[/quake3arena]

Re:Dominating (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813595)

[unrealtournament]

WICKED SICK

{/unrealtournament]

(Sorry. Couldn't resist)

Re:Dominating (1)

MayonakaHa (562348) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813917)

[killerinstinct]

ULTRA COMBO

[/killerinstinct]

(yeah.. me too)

Re:Dominating (1, Funny)

rkanodia (211354) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814155)

Actually if you were playing it properly, it was more like

ULTRAAA! ULTRAAA! ULTRAAA! ULTRAAA! ULTRAAA!

(opponent walks away from the machine)

ULTRAAA! ULTRAAA! ULTRAAA! ULTRAAA! ULTRAAA!

(opponent comes back with chips and a sandwich)

ULTRAAA! ULTRAAA! ULTRAAA! ULTRAAA! ULTRAAA!

(watch someone else play a round of Puzzle Fighter on the machine next to you)

ULTRAAA COMBO!

and that was the first third of the match or so.

Re:Dominating (1)

MayonakaHa (562348) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815211)

Yeah I remember all the repetitions going on at the local 'cade but I completely forgot about what the actual words were and went with the little bit that I remembered. I only half remember cause I'd usually be standing at a Neo Geo machine playing Samurai Showdown 1-4 or Last Blade 1 or 2.

Re:Dominating (2, Funny)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814169)

Um...
[MK]
FINISH HIM!
[/MK]

Re:Dominating (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 7 years ago | (#18816675)

[MKII]
TOASTY!!!
[/MKII]

I always loved that one... I could do it every time, too. All the way up the ladder, "TOASTY!!!"... "TOASTY!!!"... "TOASTY!!!"... Ahhh, good times.

Re:Dominating (1)

Cristofori42 (1001206) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813633)

Umm I think you're looking for the [unreal tournament 2004] tags

Re:Dominating (1)

CelticWhisper (601755) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813977)

[unrealtournament2003]

WII-CKED SICK

[/unrealtournament2003]

but the PS2 outsold the new consoles (1, Interesting)

mobiux (118006) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813389)

I think a more telling story is that the PS2 is still selling more than all the "next-gen" consoles.

280,000 vs 259,000

Although, I think the wii could trounce it if they could keep it on the shelves.

Re:but the PS2 outsold the new consoles (2, Interesting)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813599)

Also keep in mind...that the PS2 is a "mature" system (over 6 years old), half the price of a Wii, with an absolutely massive game library. The fact that the Wii is getting close to the PS2 sales (being double the price) is definitely something to brag about.

Re:but the PS2 outsold the new consoles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18813685)

Also keep in mind that the Wii is hard to find. You go to the store to get a Wii for yourself or your kid and they don't have it, but they do have a PS2.

Re:but the PS2 outsold the new consoles (5, Informative)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813721)

?? Not sure where you got your numbers. They don't match anything in this story or the last one.

February:
Nintendo DS: 485,000
Nintendo Wii: 335,000
Sony PlayStation 2: 295,000
Microsoft Xbox 360: 228,000
Sony PlayStation Portable: 176,000
Nintendo Game Boy Advance: 136,000
Sony PlayStation 3: 127,000

The Wii is beating the PS2. It's not dominating it, no, but it's selling 40k more a month.

Re:but the PS2 outsold the new consoles (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813769)

Ok, I see the March numbers now. Fair enough.

Re:but the PS2 outsold the new consoles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18814257)

I promise, I'm NOT just trying to diss the PS3. But what gets me the most about those numbers are the following two lines...

Nintendo Game Boy Advance: 136,000
Sony PlayStation 3: 127,000

Outsold by outdated hardware... ouch.

This is starting to get old - and I'm a fanboy. (2, Interesting)

Demoknight (66150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813393)

Aren't businesses *supposed* to innovate and sell their product? Isn't EA supposed to suffer for not at least throwing *some* of their development at the Wii from the start? Whatever I'm just starting to get tired of everyone sucking Nintendo's wii.

Re:This is starting to get old - and I'm a fanboy. (4, Insightful)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813513)

EA is suffering already by not making nearly as much as they could be (that kinda stuff gets people replaced). Theres a good reason Nintendo has been the top developer for their system who rakes in the most cash. EA, and others write them off, and shortly after the Wii launch they were bitching about how they won't ever be as big as Nintendo on their own console vs MS & Sony who have fairly weak #s in their own offerings on their own systems. Could have something to do with Nintendo being fully behind their own console, and the quality involved, but who knows. I'd personally be happy if EA had nothing to do with Nintendo consoles. They just shovel out shitty sports games, rehashes, and half-assed ports.

Re: EA is getting better.... (2, Insightful)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813725)

I'd personally be happy if EA had nothing to do with Nintendo consoles. They just shovel out shitty sports games, rehashes, and half-assed ports.

Saddly then you would be missing some great Wii games. Madden 07 (for the Wii) is exceptional, and both the Godfather and Tiger Woods are eating up lots of my free time. In fact, I suggest getting Tiger and the Godfather at the same time. I'm stuck on Jim Furyk in the Tiger Challenge, and each time I lose to him I throw in the Godfather so I can throttle someone with Full Motion controls.

If only I could import him into the Godfather game directly... It would be much more satisfying, and I wouldn't mind losing as much.

Re: EA is getting better.... (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814165)

I have to agree with the GP about EA.

Madden 07 (for the Wii) is exceptional,
Which has everything to do with the Wii's unique controller and very little to do with EA or Madden. Madden is still about 99% the same game it was 7 years ago, largely now due to the exclusive NFL rights EA weaseled out of them. There's a lot of new features we most likely would have by now in NFL games if this were not the case.

And don't even get me started on their recent releases for PC. The local landfill has less bugs than most EA fare does these days.

Canadian Football League? (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814427)

There's a lot of new features we most likely would have by now in NFL games if this were not the case.
Then developers with compelling new features should look for a universe other than NFL. For example, Midway makes Blitz: The League. But where are the CFL games?

And don't even get me started on their recent releases for PC. The local landfill has less bugs than most EA fare does these days.
Are all the bugs necessarily EA's fault, vs. the video driver publisher's fault?

Re:Canadian Football League? (2, Insightful)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814661)

Then developers with compelling new features should look for a universe other than NFL. For example, Midway makes Blitz: The League. But where are the CFL games?
Right, because everyone knows that any old football game based on no league at all or some minor/international league will sell as well as one based on the NFL. Most developers don't waste their time on these for good reason.

Are all the bugs necessarily EA's fault, vs. the video driver publisher's fault?
Yes they are. Most of the bugs have nothing to do with video at all. We're talking things like bugs in multiplayer netcode that other companies had working great since Windows 98 days and game exploits just for starters. And when the games you're releasing are primarily (if not exclusively) multiplayer, having bugs so severe in the netcode that multiplayer is broken at release is downright ridiculous.

EA hasn't released a game worth the full retail price for at least a good 5 years.

Are you sure features will never beat league mark? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814943)

Right, because everyone knows that any old football game based on no league at all or some minor/international league will sell as well as one based on the NFL.
It doesn't need to sell as well as Madden. Like the GameCube, a game just needs to sell more than it costs to make. And if the new features are compelling enough, it will.

Profit alone is not enough (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#18816421)

It doesn't need to sell as well as Madden. Like the GameCube, a game just needs to sell more than it costs to make

Actually, it's not quite that simple. That would lead to lost potential profit. If a dev team finishes a game and is about to start a new one, you obviously go with the one that has the most potential profit. If you could compete with Madden and make profit x, or you could instead create a GTA clone and make profit y, then you go with the GTA clone if y > x, even though you could have made money with the football game.

Not neccessarily disagreeing with you. Just saying that "it makes profit" alone isn't enough to get a game made. Committing a team to a game means that the team can't make another game that could make more money.

Re: EA is getting better.... (3, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815905)

Which has everything to do with the Wii's unique controller and very little to do with EA or Madden.

No, no... It's because of EA's implementation of controls using the Wii's unique controller. The Wiimote, awesome as it is, is not a magic wand. It does not turn shit into gold, and it's perfectly possible for a game to implement shitty controls for the Wii. In fact, seeing how hard it seemed for some game studios to get simple analog stick + binary buttons controls working reasonably, I think the potential of shitty controls for the Wii is very high, and some of the games that are out there bear this out.

I'm not a fan of EA or Madden (nor have I played it on the Wii) but the reason people keep talking about Madden for the Wii is because EA did a good job of implementing the controls and creating a unique experience. Never would have happened without the Wii there in the first place, but hey that's the whole point of Nintendo's strategy, breaking game developers out of their old habits and getting them to do something new.

Re: EA is getting better.... (1)

BloodyIron (939359) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814677)

because football changes each year... right?

granted, the wii has brought far new ways to interact with the game, but i dont see '08 on the wii being different except maybe better interface controls.

sports games are old and uncreative despite what wii has been doing. (heart wiimote)

Re: EA is getting better.... (1)

BeansBaxter (918704) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815255)

Don't mess with my SSX Blur. Yeah I don't buy any other EA games but I do love Blur and hope for a sequel.

Re:This is starting to get old - and I'm a fanboy. (1)

jojoba_oil (1071932) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814601)

Whatever I'm just starting to get tired of everyone sucking Nintendo's wii.
Why? It's not like it's a wee-Wii. It's actually grown quite large with all the media stroking.

And to answer your question about EA suffering, I wouldn't say so. I have a Wii, and I must say that aside from the minigame-oriented games (Warioware, Raving Rabbids, Monkey Ball) I have yet to see a game that both: introduces a style of game-play that requires a controller such as Wii's; and makes full use of the controller for a game that captures the attention of the player for more than a few minutes. I think the closest was Elebits. I played until the first boss (beat him) and got bored, because it was just more of the same -- drag boxes/bushes/tables/etc and then play hyper-speed duck hunt. Oh, and don't be too loud either! After more games get released and people realize that there wasn't much need I think they'll relax and once again go for whichever console/game combinations have the best graphics (and potentially gameplay, but kids these days seem to prefer graphics).

Taking into account the above as well as the sheer lack of games released for any system, I think it's a bit early to jump to conclusions about wrong/right choices being made. I'd imagine companies will win-out by sticking to their original game plan (no pun intended). This is because it takes a lot more development time to port a game across these console platforms (coding, testing, inconsistencies, etc) and I think time is of the essence currently; People are anxious for new games. Personally, I'd attribute almost all of the XBox360's success to Gears of War alone.

Doesn't matter (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18813443)

The Wii can sell all it wants. It's still a piece of crap.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

marto (110299) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813553)

An opinion that many don't share :) What do you not like about the wii?

Re:Doesn't matter (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18814019)

Price is a clear indicator of quality. Wii is cheap as shit cause it's a piece of shit.

Re:Doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18814179)

My guess is your'e one of the dudes who paid $2000 for a PS3 on eBay and now you're bitter because you have 2 good games...

Re:Doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18814373)

My guess is that the GP is just trying to flame without reason - you know, just to get a rise outta you :)

Re:Doesn't matter (3, Funny)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815177)

Sounds like an Audiophile to me. Can I interest you into some great $2000 speaker cables? They are pure copper alloy and have been demagnetized as well. I also have a demagnetized granite shelf to mount your equipment on for 20,000. And a tuned power cable for $500.
You know that price is a sure indicator of quality.

Re:Doesn't matter (-1, Flamebait)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815515)

I've Karma to burn so I'll chip in I found out my local toys r us actually had a PS3 and Wii sat next to each other and despite what everyone says everyone was hulked around the PS3 (mostly going £500! we can't afford that yet.)

So what don't I like about the Wii? Well firstly after watching the Wii demo it looks like we are going back to Playstation (as in 1) level of graphics, which as a gamer is off-putting and is quite noticeable, its something when your little sister goes "eugh that's worse than singstar". I'm not saying that graphics are everything (HL2 not as pretty as Doom3 but much better game) but when I'm looking at a console I want something that can be at least as pretty as my current console (at this time a PS2.) Anything worse will put me off it

Games that are always fun, now I'll admit I played Wii sports and for ten minutes it was fun. But actually having hand eye co-ordination I worked out the easy way to use the controller stopped waving my arms around and won against any competitor (there were three.) Providing something challenging is fun for me, mini games and things like Sports can be fun for a while just like Buzz The Big Quiz is great fun the first ten times you play it, then you understand the game and most of the challenge goes away, sure if you get Buzz the Music quiz you'll start having a little more fun. Now sure I go through games like this far more quickly than the average person but people will get there and once they do the game loses all enjoy ability, in other words mini-games are fun for a while but get old.

Nintendo's game library is currently poor and I don't think its going to get substantially better, I've been around asking Wii players their favourite game (this was pre Paper Mario Release) basically I was told Wii Sports was great, (Zelda fans loved Zelda), the Sonic game was ok but Paper Mario is going to be awesome. That's four good games in how many months out of how many titles, the 'dud' PS3/xbox360 games were still raved about in some quarters by PS3ers/Xbox360ers. With companies like EA jumping on the bandwagon I don't hold much hope that things will get better for at least a year or two.

The Wiimote, I hate this, just words can explain. The reason for my dislike is because the Wiimote is a gimmick, its something to get people going "wow that looks really cool!" if the Wiimote had been released for the gamecube (ignoring technical issues) would the gamecube have sold as many units? What makes this worse is the few (i'll admit few) Wii gamers I've met have told me they use the classic controller for most of the games because its better. So after choosing a console because of a certain type of controller and then you don't use that controller. Oh and the fact there's three different controllers for the thing and you'll inevitably need all three.

Lastly it appears Wii's live in the same world as Ipods now, it doesn't matter how good/poor it is, how expensive it is people like it because its 'cool'. Like Apple fanboys the Wii as developed its fanboys into attacking anyone who disagrees with them or suggests the Wii isn't the best thing since sliced bread. I've even seen one forum poster post something like "I've had my Wii for 3 months and have to ask, is this it? What games do I need to get to really have fun?" instead of suggesting other Wii games they attacked the guy/girl for daring to suggest the Wii wasn't incredible, I can't like any technology which has that sort of fanboyism behind it.

Before you accuse me of being a PS3 fan boy, I own a PS2 I love my PS2 but I'm undecided at this point which console I'm going for. From playing a few friends PS3's I can see that I'll have a lot of fun with such a unit, but there's no way I'm paying £425 for one, it's not worth that. When GTA comes out I'll make my choice, heck I might be wrong about the Wii and get one. Until either the Xbox360 gets a games library which isn't identical to my PC's, the PS3 sells at a normal price or the Wii can start churning out some good graphical quality and fun games, then I'm undecided.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 7 years ago | (#18816505)

it looks like we are going back to Playstation (as in 1) level of graphics,

I stopped reading your comment right there [ign.com]

Some Points (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#18816633)

I've Karma to burn so I'll chip in I found out my local toys r us actually had a PS3 and Wii sat next to each other and despite what everyone says everyone was hulked around the PS3 (mostly going £500! we can't afford that yet.)

Probably because they already own a Wii, so they play the one they don't own yet?

As for the Wii's graphics: Not sure what game you've played. There are some Wii games with really awful graphics, and there are some with nice graphics. The Wii is capable of easily outpacing the original Xbox, so it's certainly not "going back to PS1 level graphics."

Nintendo has a number of killer apps in development. The current lineup is not great, but it's not bad either, given the age of the console. Definitely better than the PS3 (where you still basically have Motorstorm and Resistance - personally, I'm not into FPS; I own Motorstorm, Ridge Racer and flOw, none of which are games you're going to play for more than a few weeks at most). The third party support is also good, and getting better. EA, interestingly, has released a bunch of awesome games - Godfather comes to mind.

Not sure about your classic controller remark. Are you just making things up? I don't think there's even one Wii game that supports the classic controller. As far as I can tell, it's strictly VC games (and maybe for Metal Slug, not sure).

Wait, I'm starting to see what you're doing here. You're not actually making a coherent argument. You're just making stuff up as you go. Damn. Sorry for replying. Look, the Wii is winning because it's fun, just like the iPod became the best selling MP3 player by being easy to use and offering a full solution that did not force the user to copy MP3 files using Windows, or scroll through his songs on a single list using arrow buttons. There's a well-sized list of awesome games for the Wii, some of them even from EA, and yes, there are Wii games with good graphics. The controllers are great. Sure, they cost more than PS3 controllers, all things considered, but they're easily worth it, and you still come out ahead by a huge margin, given the Wii's price.

Give the Wii a fair chance, and you'll end up liking it.

(Disclaimer: I own both)

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

644bd346996 (1012333) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814771)

Too bad you are an AC. I would like to be able to read your other rants about the failings of capitalism.

If the wii is selling much better than any other new console, that defines it as not crap. The fact that you have a low opinion of it simply defines you as not being part of the target market.

Games? (0, Flamebait)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813453)

So.. when will there be any new games released for the Wii? Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, Super Smash Brothers are all without release dates, with a few of these rumored not until 2008. I believe the analogy of the Wii just being two GameCube's duct-taped together is looking more true every day.

Re:Games? (2, Interesting)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813585)

How about "Nights: Journey of Dreams" in Fall 2007? That's the reason I'm buying a Wii.

Re:Games? (1)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813645)

I've seen "news" of this everywhere. Why does everyone have a hard-on for NighTs?

Re:Games? (2, Informative)

Guaranteed (998819) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813601)

I just bought Super Paper Mario two weeks ago and I already have six saved games on it from all my roommates AND my girlfriend, and it is difficult for me to find time to play on my own console because someone is always using it. I own 4 games for it. Twilight Princess, WarioWare (this one got old except for at parties), Super Paper Mario, and Wii Sports. Of the 4, I'd say there are 3 games which are among the most fun I've ever had playing console games. There are great games for other consoles, sure, but i don't own those consoles. I can only speak for the Wii, but I think there are plenty of games on it right now which I have a ton of fun playing.

Re:Games? (2, Funny)

lmnfrs (829146) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813609)

A SuperGameCube? That sounds totally rad, but I haven't seen one of these in stores anywhere - where can I get one!?

Re:Games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18815949)

Actually some Nintendo doc refers to the Wii as the "Gamecube Advance" :)

They were probably written before the 'revolution' code name, though.

Jump on the bandwagon! (0, Troll)

dj_tla (1048764) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813557)

Though I am getting a bit impatient waiting for a great game for the Wii (Super Paper Mario was alright, but didn't satiate my craving), this and other announcements is just encouraging companies to rush out tripe. Only a matter of time until we get another E.T. [wikipedia.org] !

Re:Jump on the bandwagon! (1)

marto (110299) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813605)

Have you seen the Resident Evil footage (Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles [ign.com] and Resident Evil 4 [ign.com] )? I can't wait to get my hands on a wii and these games.

Re:Jump on the bandwagon! (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814555)

Those videos look unplayable to me (granted it is not a productions release). The jumpy pointer looks painful to use.

I am also concerned about latency on the pointer (using the Wii menu as my judge).

NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasing? (3, Interesting)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813567)

First of all, I should mention that I'm somewhat biased (read my profile). That said, I do like what Nintendo is doing, and have been seeking out a Wii for months now. However, I'm not willing to buy one on eBay, or call stores everyday, or stake out early morning shipments at Target. I do look for one everytime I'm at Costco or Fred Meyer (a local big-box store where I do my grocery shopping). I have more than enough games and other things to do, that I don't need one right away, but am willing for it to be a simple impulse buy.

Anyway, I'm confused why the NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasing. Here are the numbers for the past few months:

January: 436,000
February: 335,000
March: 259,000

I think we can all agree that demand far exceeds supply, so these numbers essentially cover production as well. Now, I didn't include the November and December numbers, because they probably still reflect the huge ramp up of Wii units that were pumped out months before launch. I am guessing that most of that initial supply is long gone by January now.

So again, why is Wii production decreasing? As I am not a business person (just a lowly software engineer), someone please correct me if I'm missing something here.

I just want my Wii, dammit.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813675)

Huh? Those are sales numbers.

They stockpiled an assload before the launch at christmas, and those have trickled out onto the market. The lowering numbers mean the supply sitting in the warehouses in japan is running out.

I'm sure if anything production has increased, just not enough to meet the demand.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18814055)

They stockpiled an assload before the launch at christmas,

You're implying they had 100's of thousands of Wii's sitting in warehouses that they chose not to ship to stores during the shortage? Just decided to skip the whole Xmas rush thing? Marketing reason's, right?

Slashdotter's can be so clueless

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814183)

Umm no limited shelf space, and you can usually stockpile a product faster than you can ship it out.

They dont teleport themselves from Japan to the shelf at Toys R' Us, fella.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (1)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814343)

They stockpiled an assload before the launch at christmas, and those have trickled out onto the market. The lowering numbers mean the supply sitting in the warehouses in japan is running out.

I'm sure if anything production has increased, just not enough to meet the demand.
I am aware of stockpiling units, which is why I didn't include the November and December numbers. I really doubt that Nintendo was "trickling out units" past December. It doesn't make sense to sit on such a high-demand item, as you always run the fear of upsetting consumers and having them purchase something else (perhaps a 360 or PS3, or get that budget PS2 they haven't gotten yet). (And no, I am not in the school of thought that Nintendo purposely restricted supply to cause shortages)

That said, I don't think anyone outside of Nintendo will know for sure either way.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (2, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814783)

They can only hit retail as fast as they can be shipped from Japan, and get through Customs.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (2, Insightful)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813677)

My guess would be the fact that it's launched in Japan and Europe during that time period. Those numbers are too low to be worldwide.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813695)

are these world wide numbers or for a specific region (considering 6-7 million have been sold, and these numbers for a month seem low to represent a console that sold that much worldwide, it look regional to me)? if worldwide, yeah i'm wondering why the numbers are dropping. if for a specific region, then maybe other regions are getting a different distribution of wii amounts depending on the percept demand relative to the region the above numbers represent.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18813945)

...and from another article, they certainly seem like north american numbers only

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (1)

Taeolas (523275) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813741)

NPD stats are North American only right? Maybe after the Christmas Rush, Nintendo's shifting the distribution a bit to equalize it across the regions. So if they are making say 750k/month, in January they sent 500k to North America, and split the remaining 250k in the rest of the world. Now, North America's down to 300k, while Japan and Europe and Asia are splitting the remaining 450k. That, or Nintendo is shipping proportionally more to Wal*Mart and e-tailers than to the b&m stores that report their stats to NPD.

Yes, these are North American numbers (3, Insightful)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814225)

Ahh yes, I probably should have mentioned in my post, that NPD is only North America.

People have made many good points about regions. The numbers would make a lot of sense, if it's just a matter of Nintendo shifting production capacity from region to region. If someone could pull worldwide numbers of the Wii, that would help.

That said, it is disconcerting that, at the very least, North America seems to be getting fewer and fewer units. I'm speaking from the point of a North American consumer, who just wants to be able to buy the console. From a business perspective, Nintendo may be doing the right thing, if it thinks that supplying Europe and/or Japan is more important than North America at the moment.

Re:Yes, these are North American numbers (2, Insightful)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815769)

Keep in mind also that Wiis are available for purchase from some online retailers. The thing is places like Walmart.com are still only offering the $650 bundled setup. I would imagine these bundles don't sell as quickly so there is some stock just sitting for now.

Re:Yes, these are North American numbers (1)

SethraLavode (910814) | more than 7 years ago | (#18816609)

There is speculation that Nintendo might be redirecting some of their production toward Japan, seeing as how Golden Week is coming up shortly, and that's their biggest holiday9s) / shopping spree of the year. It's probably wise of them to shift stock to match the different regions.

Also, while Nintendo might shifting more units toward Japan or Europe, that might be to shift back toward equilibrium after prioritizing North America for the Christmas season.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (2, Informative)

windex (92715) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813767)

It's being fucked with by the distribution chain, too.

Example: GameStop held onto thousands of units over a couple of months just so they could horde them into $600 packages and sell them on their website.

Which is how I got mine because, well, let's face it, super paper mario is pretty kick ass.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (2, Interesting)

El Gigante de Justic (994299) | more than 7 years ago | (#18813803)

I don't think it's so much that production is decreasing, as it is that they had a giant stockpile of constructed, un-localized Wiis ready before the initial released in November. along with a stockpile of parts for making more Wiis that wasn't immediately shipped to stores so that they could localize and then distribute them based on what regions were selling the most. However, since it's been regularly selling out everywhere, and possibly as a pace faster than Nintendo or any of their suppliers fully anticipated, they probably are hitting a limit on production for one or two components that are limiting their production output.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814007)

NDP is north America.

Nintendo had trouble getting everything shipped end og '06 so January has slightly inflated numbers.

The Japanese market is similar though. So it is possible that:

a) Europe/South America/Rest of Asia/Africa are getting more.
b) They are being held for something big (speculated for next fiscal quarter).
c) More "obscure" places count for a lot of stock and they are piling up in places like K-mart (sounds unlikly).
d) A slight monkeying around with shipments to increase scarcety.
e) Contracts running out for factory time without it being replaced elsewhere.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (1)

link_mmc (880707) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814077)

Production probably isn't decreasing as that would be downright foolish. These are US sales #s, worldwide sales numbers have probably stayed pretty constant which means that the European release would decrease the US supply. Does anyone have those numbers?

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (1)

AbsoluteXyro (1048620) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814319)

More likely is that Wii production is constant, and Nintendo is simply burning through the end of supply built up during pre-launch production last year.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (1)

beaverbrother (586749) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814345)

The NPD numbers are only for the U.S. Production could be going elsewhere.

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (1)

Kumba (84067) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814743)

Those are sales numbers, not production numbers, and yes, they are a decrease from prior months. Roughly, compared to February numbers, the Wii saw a 22% decline in sales, along with a small percentage for the 360. The PS3 has actually gone up in sales a little, shockingly enough. 127,000 units in Feb versus 130,000 units in March. Not a big increase, but it's there.

My opinion, it's the slump we usually see around this time of year. I figure some of the blockbuster titles are being retained by Ninty so they can continue to tweak things (they're about as bad as Blizzard on delaying something for quality purposes), but also to combat the future big hitters from the PS3 and 360 Camp (i.e., Halo 3). Figure, they still have Metroid 3 and Mario Galaxy up their sleeves, plus those other new franchises we saw briefly at E3, yet haven't heard from since (H.A.M.M.E.R. and Disaster). I think as we get into the summer and early fall, we're gonna see a lot of really cool stuff coming out for all three consoles. Sony better have cool stuff in the pipeline, or they're gonna be swimming up shite creek without a paddle (and have hole in the boat).

And the DS? Crikey. 508,000 units in one month. That's just insane. I wish I'd invested in their stock a year ago. tbey struck their all-time high since getting listed on the Osaka Securities Exchange back in 1962. I think it's up to ¥36,000 or something now. Their yearly financial report also comes out next week. That'll be interesting to look at.

--K

Re:NPD stats show that Wii production is decreasin (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815797)

Well, until demand is met (which it clearly hasn't been, yet), those numbers say nothing about the actual demand, so it's impossible to chalk up to disinterest in Wii titles. Those numbers are pure reflections of how many units are being produced, since 100% of all inventory is being sold the moment it hits the floor. Large titles aren't going to increase sales at all, at this point, if Nintendo can't even meet the damand that is already out there.

Someone set us up the Pokebomb (1)

SethraLavode (910814) | more than 7 years ago | (#18816669)

The DS sales are almost certainly due to the upcoming release of Pokemon Pearl and Pokemon Diamond this weekend. I've heard figures claiming that there have been 500k pre-orders already, between the two games.

This is what I hate about big companies (1)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 7 years ago | (#18814721)

To take better advantage of the Wii's growth, EA moved quickly to ramp up game production for the system, acquiring Headgate Studios


In other words, the biggest kid on the block, rather than doing their homework and using their brain power to stay ahead of the competition, simply went out and bought a solution in order to bring it in-house. Headgate dudes, I feel sorry for the head-up-ass rape that is sure to follow. I hope you can still crank out a few good titles before you get eaten alive by the EA machine.

Re:This is what I hate about big companies (1)

BeansBaxter (918704) | more than 7 years ago | (#18815363)

Interesting thoughts. Yet even with the buyouts happening it seems game developing rock stars don't usually stay forever. I think indie development houses will be around for a long time and proven game developers will continue to demand top dollar and make money on their own. EA can't just swoop in a buy a development house that is privately held. Now lets be honest though if you own the place and EA offers to pay your retirement if you sell to them are you really going to say no?

\. needs a new Borg icon to represent EA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18815485)

I suggest photoshopping Larry Probst face on 7-of-9 to complement BillGates/Locutus.
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