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RMS Protest Song On Gitmo

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the serious-parody dept.

Music 500

An anonymous reader tipped us to a protest song RMS has written and recorded (while visiting Cuba) and is hosting on stallman.org. It's a sort of parody, although it's too serious really to be called that, in Spanish of the song "Guantanamera," in which a Gitmo prisoner talks about his experiences and mourns his fate. RMS wrote the lyrics in 2006 after learning what "Guantanamera" actually means. The lyrics are moving, and the recording, in Ogg, is competent — RMS sings well and he's got some amateur musicians from Cuba backing him up. Here are the lyrics and an English translation.

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Communist!! (0, Flamebait)

Reikk (534266) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826143)

Just go suck on Fidel's cock for a while you fucking communist pig asshole!!

Heh. (1)

bluephone (200451) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826161)

"Be free, hackers, be free..."

Score 1 for the Islamic extremists! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826581)

I think people who were wavering about whether what we are doing in Guantanamo is right, will come down on the side of Bush when they see unkempt hippie commies like RMS singing their juvenile "protest" songs. WAKE UP people - we are at WAR after all. RMS should be put on trial for treason...

Antics like this... (-1, Troll)

leereyno (32197) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826175)

...only reinforce the view that Stallman and his crowd are a bunch of communists.

He should stick to what he's good at, writing software.

I wonder how he managed to visit Cuba without violating the federal law that prohibits US citizens from trading with our enemies.

Re:Antics like this... (3, Informative)

Valar (167606) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826205)

I wonder what you are talking about. Contrary to popular belief, it is totally legal to visit Cuba (up to X times per year, [IIRC X is one]). There are also controls on how much currency you can bring with you, but to a certain extent, it is perfectly legal to vacation in Cuba (this is, in fact, common for citizens of Cuban descent).

Re:Antics like this... (5, Interesting)

dabadab (126782) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826243)

"it is totally legal to visit Cuba (up to X times per year, [IIRC X is one])"

You know, having grown up in an Eastern Block country where a symptom of the dictatorship we had was that we were allowed to go to the "West" only once in every four yours, I find this limit in the "Land of Free" totally hilarious (and, on the other hand, totally sad).

MOD UP! (3, Insightful)

colonslashslash (762464) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826451)

How the hell did this get moderated as "Troll"? It has a perfectly good point behind it - why should a country that constantly plays on how free it is limit its citizens to where they travel?

Re:Antics like this... (2, Informative)

eli pabst (948845) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826285)

No it's not. Tourist travel to Cuba is prohibited and business travel is restricted. Even then you must be approved by the State Dept. You'd be wise not to get your Passport stamped by Cuban customs. Quote from the US state Dept:

Tourist travel is not possible under U.S. law. Business-related travel is restricted to persons engaging in or arranging for permitted export sales, such as the sale of medicines or medical equipment, or for food or agricultural goods to non-governmental entities.

http://www.state.gov/p/wha/rls/fs/2001/fsjulydec/4 835.htm [state.gov]

Re:Antics like this... (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826491)

No it's not. Tourist travel to Cuba is prohibited and business travel is restricted. Even then you must be approved by the State Dept. You'd be wise not to get your Passport stamped by Cuban customs. Quote from the US state Dept:

Tourist travel is not possible under U.S. law. Business-related travel is restricted to persons engaging in or arranging for permitted export sales, such as the sale of medicines or medical equipment, or for food or agricultural goods to non-governmental entities.

http://www.state.gov/p/wha/rls/fs/2001/fsjulydec/4 835.htm [state.gov]
Maybe he travelled through a free country like Canada or Mexico. Some countries still have freedom of travel unlike Soviet America. Papers (Real ID) please, comrade.

There are no prohibitions for travel from Canada to Cuba. Canadian citizens are free to travel to Cuba on vacation.

Re:Antics like this... (1)

miscz (888242) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826495)

Tourist travel is not possible under U.S. law
So you're saying that the U.S. is not a free country, not Cuba. I've seen travel agencies arranging trips (legal) to Cuba here.

Re:Antics like this... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826403)

Yes, I'm sure that he had a dandy time there. I wonder if he is now going to write a song about political prisoners in any one of the 300 Cuban prisons/reeducation camps? No?

Re:Antics like this... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826207)

Go via a country whose foreign policy isn't completely asinine, 50 years after the fact.

Re:Antics like this... (4, Funny)

laejoh (648921) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826209)

communists?

That's SOOOOOOOOOOOOO '80-ties! You must have misspelled Al-Queda!

Re:Antics like this... (3, Insightful)

polar red (215081) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826213)

"enemies". Your corporations needs you thinking like that so your government can spend a huge percentage of their money on weapons. Sir/madam, the world is not in black and white, although your government wants you to believe that.

Re:Antics like this... (3, Insightful)

MPAB (1074440) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826219)

Yep. Political support of the most unfree regimens (Cuba, Venezuela, Iran ... which go back to the dear USSR) in the name of freedom shows exactly what those people want: to impose THEIR idea of freedom upon everyone; a freedom in which all of us are equal but THEY (our self assumed saviors) are the most equal of all.

Re:Antics like this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826263)

And the US is a free country ? Slaves of the dollar!

Re:Antics like this... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826291)

Eh? If you don't approve of the Guantanamo detentions, it means you like communism?? What kind of bizarre logic is that?

Look, I don't approve of the Guantanamo detentions, or the war in Iraq. I also happen to think that Fidel Castro is a raging deluded asshole, yet I also think that the embargo on Cuba is embarrassingly stupid and should stop.

And I didn't see anything at that website that indicated that RMS had actually visited Cuba, but speaking of that, it's also bizarre that an American citizen cannot go wherever the hell he pleases whenever he pleases.

Re:Antics like this... (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826459)

Cuba is a perfect example of why embargo's do not work. That is why I never understood people advocating the like with Iraq and other countries.

Besides the poor - or soon to be poor - who does an embargo hurt?

Re:Antics like this... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826299)

Can see Microsoft's next complaint to the government already, it is illegal for them to trade with "our enemies" but no way to stop GPL'd software from being "traded" to "our enemies". Of course any Microsoft software "our enemies" are using must be pirated.

Re:Antics like this... (5, Insightful)

PhxBlue (562201) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826335)

He should stick to what he's good at, writing software.

Next you're going to say country music singers should just shut up and sing.

It's bullshit. Being good at something does not take away your right to hold or express political views.

Re:Antics like this... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826447)

"Next you're going to say country music singers should just shut up and sing."

If you are a country singer and want to talk about how you are ashamed of America and hate the President, I'd tell them to shut up and sing if they want to keep the same audience that bought their albums too. If you want to have your political views front and center in front of folks that disagree violently this is fine...just expect to find a new audience.

The same with RMS. He has ALWAYS been a commie, not in the hippy hug everyone and share sort of way, but more of the do as I say or face the consequences way. If he would keep his comments to simply software, and wouldn't push it as if it were some religious edict (though being an atheist, I think he is starting to believe that he is the next best thing to a real god, based on his writings and hearing him speak) -- I could almost forgive his attitude. But once he starts spouting off about governments and supporting despotic governments, he muddies his message...or maybe clears it up for those that don't know any better.

"It's bullshit. Being good at something does not take away your right to hold or express political views."

And you are absolutely right. It just helps us weed out the idiots quicker by allowing them to express their attitudes publicly. What was that Nuggett quote on the Confederate flag? Maybe if this gets modded up, someone will find it for me.

Personally, I have to worry about my message staying clear...as such, I'm posting this anonymously as I'd hate to see something I love be derailed because someone misinterprets this post (or even worse, interprets it correctly).

Re:Antics like this... (1)

Obsi (912791) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826455)

Quoted for truth. Damn. Fucking. Straight. If that were the case only AOL users --

Oh wait, AOL is cliche. If that were the case only Myspace users could hold opinions.

Re:Antics like this... (4, Insightful)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826557)

"It's bullshit. Being good at something does not take away your right to hold or express political views."

True, but being good at being attractive or a good singer does give you a larger stage than you would normally have to disseminate your ill-informed, embarrassing rantings, which your opinions usually are when you're a rich dilettante whose principle contribution to society was to make millions of people think, "that sounds neat" for thirty seconds.

Re:Antics like this... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826339)

"bunch of communists"

Is that still a bad thing in America? Sounds like something from the 1950s!

Re:Antics like this... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826355)

Does anyone else find it funny that loopy right wingers first criticize Stallman for being a "communist" then turn around and support a restriction (not being able to freely travel or trade with Cuba) that represents anything but actual freedom.

Re:Antics like this... (0, Flamebait)

deacon (40533) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826363)

Yes, the level of obliviousness is amazing.



Stall visits an island, run by a homicidel dictator, that most native people
are trying to escape in whatever (non)sea-worthy craft they can create.

  He then "protests" about a detention facility which provides halal food, Korans wrapped in plastic, delivered by glove wearing guards (so the Koran will not be "defiled" by the "infidel") are provided to the "prisoners".

Meanwhile,in Pakistan, a 12 year old jihadist sawed of the head of a "spy".



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070420/ap_on_re_as/pa kistan_child_executioner_1 [yahoo.com]

Will Stall go to the scene to protest this atrocity? I think not. It might require actual being in a danger zone.

Wanker.

Re:Antics like this... (4, Insightful)

The Anarchist Avenge (1004563) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826381)

Ahhh yes... Gitmo, the bastion of human rights. Of course, the fact that many people with no connections to terrorism were kept there against their will doesn't outrage you at all...

Re:Antics like this... (5, Insightful)

Eivind (15695) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826425)

You know, if you do something wrong, it's not really very convincing to point out that there's worse things in the world.

One of the things that separate civilization from barbary is that we, generally, try to play fair -EVEN- with those people who would not extend the same courtesy to us.

Yeah, the human-rigths situation is (much) worse in Pakistan than it is USA, and on US-run detention-centres. That make you particularily proud ? Your ambition is to beat Pakistan, so aslong as you're ahead of them, you're a happy camper ?

Re:Antics like this... (1, Flamebait)

skam240 (789197) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826461)

He then "protests" about a detention facility which provides halal food, Korans wrapped in plastic, delivered by glove wearing guards (so the Koran will not be "defiled" by the "infidel") are provided to the "prisoners".

Of course this same detention center is keeping these people against their will without any kind of means to challenge their incarceration. Plus water boarding and sleep deprivation don't sound all that pleasant and most would call this kind of treatment torture.

Yes the regime in Cuba does terrible things to its citizenry and is one the world could do without. This, however, does not mean that RMS is "oblivious" in protesting the plight of these inmates at the hands of a country that is suppose to be above such practices. Likewise, his not going into a "danger-zone" to observe other deplorable acts for which to create a protest song about does not discredit what he has written about the prisoners in Cuba.

Re:Antics like this... (1)

shark swooner (1077115) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826467)

halal food, Korans wrapped in plastic, delivered by glove wearing guards (so the Koran will not be "defiled" by the "infidel") are provided to the "prisoners".

Well, when you put it that way holding people for half a decade without charges *does* sound like a good idea.

Honey, it's true what they're saying... habeus corpus *is* overrated... yes, they get Korans and things... if I had only had known they would be getting halal food!

Re:Antics like this... (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826385)

Got to love American ignorance and brain washing.

Communism isn't a bad thing, infact as children as are taught communism ideals. "Play fair and share" is the basis of Communism and we teach this to children from day one. If you think communism is some how a bad thing I suggest you look up what communism is, because it isn't a small group of people hording everything and leaving nothing for everyone under them to share.

Re:Antics like this... (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826623)

If you think communism is some how a bad thing I suggest you look up what communism is, because it isn't a small group of people hording everything and leaving nothing for everyone under them to share.

Tell it to anyone who ever lived in a communist country. If you weren't an appratchik, you were screwed.

-jcr

Re:Antics like this... (4, Informative)

spiritraveller (641174) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826439)

I wonder how he managed to visit Cuba without violating the federal law that prohibits US citizens from trading with our enemies.

There are several exceptions [state.gov] to the restrictions on travel to Cuba.

I would imagine that RMS went there for a conference on free software. This would fall under an exception which doesn't require special permission from the State Department.

Re:Antics like this... (1)

The Lord of Chaos (231000) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826561)

Stallman and his crowd are a bunch of communists.
Is there something undemocratic about protesting against government policy? How about protesting against holding prisoners without a trial?

Gee I'd like to listen (4, Funny)

catbutt (469582) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826183)

but Ogg only?

Yeah I know its RMS, so ideology wins over practicality. But I'd think AAC would be ok, and then it could be played with iTunes or whatever.

Re:Gee I'd like to listen (1)

boldie (1016145) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826295)

Mod parent +5 for "funny"

Re:Gee I'd like to listen (3, Informative)

Phroon (820247) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826343)

From the Xiph page:

Xiph QuickTime Components (XiphQT) [xiph.org] is, in short, the solution for Mac and Windows users who want to use Xiph formats in any QuickTime-based application, e.g. playing Ogg Vorbis in iTunes or producing Ogg Theora with iMovie.
It lets you do exactly what you want to do, play Ogg in iTunes.

Re:Gee I'd like to listen (-1, Troll)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826539)

From the Xiph page:

Xiph QuickTime Components (XiphQT) [xiph.org] is, in short, the solution for Mac and Windows users who want to use Xiph formats in any QuickTime-based application, e.g. playing Ogg Vorbis in iTunes or producing Ogg Theora with iMovie.
It lets you do exactly what you want to do, play Ogg in iTunes.
But I don't want to install another plug-in just to play a proprietary format like OGG. I would like to listen to it in a open standard format. Is OGG an officially published standard or do developers have to agree to a license and include source code from the project in their product in the form of a plug-in? If the latter, then that to me is the very definition of proprietary. It does not matter if the source is open if there is not an open standard to go along with it.

Re:Gee I'd like to listen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826633)

You mean like mp3? Oh wait. How about AAC. Nope that requires a patent too. Maybe you meant WMA? (HAHAHA).
No, seriously, Ogg *IS* the open standard.

Don't discuss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826191)

For reasons of national security this matter may not be discussed.

Don't forget: Dissent kills marines

We welcome our GNU Overlord (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826195)

...to camp gitmo.

RMS = Richard Stallman (1, Informative)

Umbrae (866097) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826201)

I hate when people use acronyms that they assume everyone knows. Even though I knew it, I would not be surprised if many did not.

Re:RMS = Richard Stallman (2, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826391)

This is Slashdot! Anyone who has been here for more than 5 minutes should know who RMS is. Even if they didn't, following the 2nd and 3rd links in the summary would immediately educate them.

A related movie (4, Interesting)

dabadab (126782) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826203)

The Road to Guantanamo [imdb.com] - about three British muslims who end up in Gitmo, get abused and then released.

Re:A related movie (-1, Troll)

leereyno (32197) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826511)

Yes, and we all know how honest islamofascists are.

Re:A related movie (3, Insightful)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826601)

Compared to US government officials?

That depends if you consider "We deny everything", "No comment", and "I don't recall" to be dishonesty or some sort of "standard response form" that means nothing and therefore is neither honest or dishonest.

i actually... (2, Interesting)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826261)

feel slightly better about the guy now... Don't ask me why.

Not that I ever hated the guy, I only know what I read about him.

Maybe if Bush recorded a protest song in a foreign language I would find his zealot-ous rhetoric easier to swallow.

Regards.

P.S. Hey... My first troll-bait post!!! *shakes his own hand*

Re:i actually... (1)

canUbeleiveIT (787307) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826485)

P.S. Hey... My first troll-bait post!!! *shakes his own hand*

I hate to break it to you...but that's not your hand that you're shaking.

I feel bad! (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826525)

I listened it on konqueror, not in the GNU/whatever app that plays ogg.


But, hey, it also made him a much nicer person in my opinion. Almost everything I read about him concerns such fanatical debates that one forgets he is a human being. And his Spanish accent is not too bad, although he would need to polish a bit his "r" sounds.

This guy keeps on getting lamer and lamer (0, Flamebait)

lbbros (900904) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826265)

First the visit to Cuba (bitch and moan about the embargo how much you want, folks, but it's NOT a democratic and free country), now this?
Why hasn't Stallman said anything about other non democratic countries that treat people even worse? Like Cuba, or China, for example. Because they use free software so they're "friends"? What a lame hypocrite. I'm glad the whole Free Software movement is not like him.

I openly despise such a raving fanatic, that I thought had sunk already low with his babbling mention of "liberating everyone in the cyberspace" (don't have the link at hand, but it's on Groklaw).

Re:This guy keeps on getting lamer and lamer (2, Insightful)

Falesh (1000255) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826331)

Why hasn't Stallman said anything about other non democratic countries that treat people even worse?
So you are not allowed to criticize wrongs unless you criticize all wrongs, an incalculable list, at the same time?

Re:This guy keeps on getting lamer and lamer (2, Insightful)

lbbros (900904) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826365)

No, because simply put *everyone* is ready to criticize Guantanamo and its abuses, but *no one* bothers to criticize China or Cuba for theirs (because of a fundamentally broken ideology, that means enemies of USA == friends - notice that I'm not an USA citizen, nor that I like their foreign policy that much). Cuba *is not* a democracy, period. It's hypocritical to act like that, to attack such things when you're on a ground that's much worse.

I am a FOSS supporter, but by no means I support such ideology.

But oh, I forgot. They use Free Software. They must be great by default.

Re:This guy keeps on getting lamer and lamer (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826589)

No, because simply put *everyone* is ready to criticize Guantanamo and its abuses, but *no one* bothers to criticize China or Cuba for theirs

That's crap, 1. because they DO get criticized ALL the time, just switch on TV 2. an American can hardly do anything about it short of starting a war with those countries.

On the other hand, the United States ostensible has the aspiration to be a beacon of human rights. Furthermore, the American people DO have a chance to correct the wrongdoing of their own country which they can't with regard to, for example, China.

Re:This guy keeps on getting lamer and lamer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826611)

> Cuba *is not* a democracy, period. It's hypocritical to act like that, to attack such things when you're on a ground that's much worse.

Well, but in Cuba it's not "his" government that is in charge, people that he and others he has to do with all the time can vote for and against, and last but not least, it is very unlikely he will ever be judged by what the government in Cuba does, whereas the action of the US government might have an impact on how people react towards US-citizens, including him.
So I think there are many, many reasons to behave like that, hypocritical or not.

Re:This guy keeps on getting lamer and lamer (2, Insightful)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826415)

And the USA is a "democratic and free country"? I for one think not. (And I've written an essay on why the presidents position in particular isn't democratic or particularly free, which can be found at a fine website [revleft.com].)

Also, bitch and moan about how the embargo has done absolutely nothing (except keep the "Miami Cubans" happy and voting for whichever party). Face it, the embargo has done nothing, the USA trades with regimes that are much worse (Saudi Arabia for example, and previously Iraq (where did they get those chemical weapons from again?)) and the UN has voted every year for ages to have it removed (with only ever about 3 or 4 countries (and normally two, can you guess which two?) opposing and a similar number abstaining I think). And you wonder why US foreign policy is hated around the world.

I can't speak on why RMS hasn't been publicised objecting to "nasty" regimes (though I wouldn't be surprised if he has said something...), but I can say that calling him a "lame hypocrite" is stupid. I'm glad the whole of the Free Software Movement is not like you.

Re:This guy keeps on getting lamer and lamer (1)

lbbros (900904) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826477)

USA is free enough for you to be able to *write* what you wrote, instead of getting tracked by the government and arrested like in China or Cuba. Most people don't even *know* what a real regime is.
Also you talk about the embargo but NOT about the torture, the useless arrests etc that take place in Cuba. The embargo may be bad, but a regime is even worse.

RMS thinks that if someone embraces FOSS, he/she is a saint. Which is clearly not the case. I would have understood that if he had made this song on democratic grounds, but in Cuba it is and will remain hypocritical.

Re:This guy keeps on getting lamer and lamer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826419)

First the visit to Cuba (bitch and moan about the embargo how much you want, folks, but it's NOT a democratic and free country)


Oh yeah, that why there's an embargo. Just like the ones on China and Saudi Arabia...

Re:This guy keeps on getting lamer and lamer (1)

lbbros (900904) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826509)

I'm not questioning the fact if the embargo is there or not. Just that people think "Cuba is good, it's all the USA's fault" when Castro is far from being a saint.

RMS is a ROCKSTAR! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826271)

Gets out the lighter.

Needs imagery (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826287)

This song is loaded with inflammatory terminology. It's a real turn-off. Stallman needs to use imagery and abstractions to illustrate his point.

The empire has decided
To keep me in prison forever.
The question is whether to do it
With or without a fake trial.

This comes off as preachy. No one wants to listen to that. It's much better to describe it than to spell it out.

Who or what the heck is RMS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826309)

Root mean square?

I mean come on really... "RMS Protest Song On Gitmo" is completely meaningless.

Disgusting (2, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826317)

Let me get this straight. As long as Castro embraces software freedom, actual political freedom is irrelevant in Stallman's world.

This is the same man who links to impeach Bush sites -- presumably not because of Bush's lack of embracing software freedom, though based on the current evidence, Stallman would forgive Bush for everything if he would embrace free software.

Political Freedom (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826497)

"Let me get this straight. As long as Castro embraces software freedom, actual political freedom is irrelevant in Stallman's world."

And who do you think is a good example of embracing freedom, if you were going to consider the USA, then consider the following points.
  - Doesn't recognize the democratically elected palistinian government as being legitimate
  - Recognize Pakistan's military dictatorship as legitimate.
  - Places domestic travel bans on its citizens
  - Limits travel to other countries (as mentioned above)
  - Spies on its own people without probable cause, (echlon/carnivore/whatever its called now, RFID ? )
  - Violates its own constitution (count the ways)
  - No longer has a clear separation from the judicial system (sacking bush unfriendly judges)
  - Highest imprisonment rate of any country per head of population
  - The government of some states kill their own people (capital punishment)

Face it, "land of the free" is nothing more than a propaganda term.

RMS isnt superman... solving all the worlds problems is too much for one person, maybe he just wants to concentrates on software freedom, doesnt mean he shouldnt express his views on other types of freedom.

If you would expect RMS to keep silent about his views on political freedom, then can you honestly say you respect political freedom ?

Re:Political Freedom (1, Informative)

jcr (53032) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826597)

"Doesn't recognize the democratically elected palistinian government as being legitimate"

Hold on a second, there. The US government boycotts the current palestinian government because Hamas has disavowed the treaties that Arafat signed with Israel, and continues to attack Israel from Gaza. If the palestinians want a government dedicated to the destruction of israel, that's what they'll choose, but fuck them if they expect us to keep giving them money while they do whatever they damn well please.
-jcr

Re:Disgusting (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826579)

Let me get this straight. As long as Castro embraces software freedom, actual political freedom is irrelevant in Stallman's world.

Huh? What in flying fuck are you talking about? The song is about political freedom, you idiot. Just because it's Stallman singing the song, it doesn't mean he's singing about software.

Re:Disgusting (4, Interesting)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826583)

Stallman isn't supporting Castro, he's just shitting on Bush more. The fact that Cuba isn't the bastion of human rights doesn't reduce the severity of the United States - the most powerful single country in the world - having questionable human rights practices.

Stallman is always very careful about what he says in cases like this. Don't put words in his mouth, find out what he's actually said and respond to that.

GTMO (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826321)

Ah hell, lets smoke bong loads and let 'em all out. They are all innocent shepherds and shopkeepers anyway. They can live next door to me. I mean, it's pefectly legit to teach the Quran even if you can't read. And Tora Bora is just a vacation spot, never mind you carried an AK and some grenades instead of a camera.

Re: GTMO (3, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826535)

Ah hell, lets smoke bong loads and let 'em all out. They are all innocent shepherds and shopkeepers anyway. They can live next door to me. I mean, it's pefectly legit to teach the Quran even if you can't read. And Tora Bora is just a vacation spot, never mind you carried an AK and some grenades instead of a camera.
So how many of them are actually guilty of anything?

Oh, wait. They're not entitled to fair trials, so we'll never know.

How about a song for Castro's Victims? (2, Insightful)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826323)

How about a song for the thousands of victims tortured and killed under Castro's regime? [capmag.com] You know, the people who weren't imprisioned for involvement in terrorism, but for such "crimes" as running an unauthorized library [friendsofc...raries.org] or demonstrating for democracy? [newsmax.com] Where are their songs?

Re:How about a song for Castro's Victims? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826373)

that's a great idea - why don't you record one.

Re:How about a song for Castro's Victims? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826453)

How about a song for the thousands of victims tortured and killed under Castro's regime?
As soon as you record one, I'll be here to complain that you didn't also make a song about the millions of victims of the United Stated/North Korea/China/Great Britain/France/whatever. Let's face it: Nearly every country has blood on its hands and all countries, including industrialized ones, still violate various human rights. For example, human rights include a right to work, "just and favourable" conditions at work, a right to an "standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services" etc. and not only what's usually touted, free press, free speech and so on which are of course, also human rights.

Re:How about a song for Castro's Victims? (3, Insightful)

IgnoramusMaximus (692000) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826473)

How about a song for the thousands of victims tortured and killed under Castro's regime? You know, the people who weren't imprisioned for involvement in terrorism, but for such "crimes" as running an unauthorized library or demonstrating for democracy? Where are their songs?

I would caution you to take these reports with a grain of salt unless there is some other hard evidence to support them. The same kind of stuff was coming out of Eastern Europe in the 1980s and much of it turned out to be a fabrication. Cuban "commies" were always on the mild end of the spectrum, when compared to, say, China, whom apparently we are supposed to measure with a wholly different measure because they make golf-balls for Wal-Mart.

So don't become a tool for some rabid Cuban exile land-owner who would play the world's smalles violin about human rights abuses in Cuba only to promptly abuse everyone in his path should he manage to get his paws back on the island.

This is precisely what happened in the Eastern Europe where the Solidarity used to broadcast "shocking" reports by rebellious reporters about how well off the top members of the socialist government were: "Two! count em! Two 4-room apartaments!! Outrage!!". Of course as soon as the "freedom loving capitalists" took over, some of the former historical palaces of the nobility which have been designated as museums became houses of some of the same ex-Solidarity members who bemoaned the wretched inequality of the "commies".

Buyer beware.

I'm sorry... (1, Insightful)

geek (5680) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826631)

..... but I grew up in Florida and know a LARGE number of Cuban immigrants that would scoff at your remarks. They've had family members tortured and killed in some of the most horrif and brutal ways immaginable. I'll take a family members first hand account over some leftist whacko apologists "buyer beware" statements anyday.

Re:How about a song for Castro's Victims? (1)

d0c0m0 (798420) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826513)

Are you completely delusional? And are those links to bizarre propaganda sites supposed to prove something? Cuba should be commended for NOT torturing people, unlike the United States, and unlike the US-supported dictatorships all over the world. Actually, Cuba has one of the BEST human rights records in Latin America if you look at the entire period since the revolution. Although admittedly that does not say much among a collection of, again, US-supported right wing dictatorships engaging massive campaigns of torture and murder against its own population. The worst human rights abuses in Cuba right now take place at Gitmo. By the way, would you care to guess why exactly the US has a military base on Cuba?

Re:How about a song for Castro's Victims? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826555)

> ...imprisioned for involvement in terrorism,

How do you know? Because a politician lied and told you so?

These people have not been tried in a court of law. In the eyes of the law they are innocent. You statement is no different to a Klansman stringing up a Black person from a tree: a lynch mob.

Only one of these people (Hicks) has been found guilty, and that was a forced confession by a kangaroo court. He was put in the situation that if he pleaded guilty he would be released, or if he pleaded innocent he would be locked up for 20 years. He did what any rational person would and pleaded guilty.

Re:How about a song for Castro's Victims? (1)

asninn (1071320) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826625)

The only thing you can come up with to defend the USA's actions is "we're still better than communist dictatorships like Cuba"? I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

OGG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18826369)

We're talking about FOSS here day and night, however, I highly doubt that lots of people here can't play OGG without installing any kind of software.

Sorry, not interested (-1, Offtopic)

Master of Transhuman (597628) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826399)

I'm busy listening to Andrea Corr's "Shame On You" antiwar song from her new solo album to be released in June by Atlantic.

Check out the 30-second sample on her MySpace page [myspace.com] or her Bebo page. [bebo.com]

They had the full songs up on the Bebo page at one point, but took them down after a while, but not before I got the whole versions of all three of the songs they posted.

Yes yes (0, Troll)

malkir (1031750) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826407)

Let's bitch about Gitmo. Only one pillow per prisoner, the temperature is sligtly out of whack, the food is unnaceptable -- too much fat, they're getting chubby. Why not write a song about real torture [metimes.com] instead of panties on someones head and loud Chili Pepper music?

Re:Yes yes (1)

Kristoph (242780) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826549)

The page you linked to actual refers to a crime committed in Turkey, the perpetrators of which have been arrested. The RMS song is about the persecution of individuals in violation of international laws by his (the US government) government.

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Made my own RMS protest song (1)

djauto23 (1091453) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826437)

Beautiful piece..

Actually I made my own RMS protest song, using one of his speeches as a voice sample over a hiphopish track. When I asked him for sample clearence he told me he didn't like it, and that his voice made it worse. But I could post it anyway, so here goes my music/blog spam: http://ringheimsauto.org/index.php/illegal-musikk/ [ringheimsauto.org] (mp3/ogg/flac).

Irony Much? (4, Insightful)

Shihar (153932) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826493)

Does anyone else appreciate the extreme irony of going to protest in Cuba, a nation that was rated as having the second least free press (just behind North Korea) in the world, no political freedom of any sort, and thousands of political prisoners. Cuba is a nation where if someone decided to go protest against the political prisoners held in Cuban jails, they would be rounded up and tossed into jail. Going to Cuba to protest some other nations violations of liberty is the sort of thing that should make people laugh until they cry.

Re:Irony Much? (4, Insightful)

DamnStupidElf (649844) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826587)

Does anyone else appreciate the extreme irony of going to protest in Cuba

Does anyone else appreciate the irony of having a U.S. military prison in Cuba? Wait, maybe that's not irony...

Re:Irony Much? (3, Interesting)

pjabardo (977600) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826639)

Not saying that Cuba is paradise or even a good place but come on! Second worst? You are quoting from Reporters without Borders, a NGO that receive a lot of cash from US State Department and other departments. That's why their main enemies lately are Cuba and Venezuela.

It is difficult to believe that Cuba is worse than Saudi Arabia, a country that does not allow non business visits by any non-muslim. Uzbequistan is certainly much better than Cuba. The list of US client states that are a "paradise" compared to Cuba is long.

Iraq is also much better! If you don't get killed by the different kind of wackos you will be popped by some trigger happy "coalition" soldier. China is another fine example of free press.

With so many countries with free press, no wonder Cuba and Venezuela are at the bottom.

RMS is like the creative part of the mind (0)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826499)

90% of what comes out of his mouth is pure drivel and should be discarded. 5% is sentimentally true but needs lots of editing to be generally palatable. The last 5% are actually good ideas.

Recover whatever ideas you can from him and incorporate them into your own beliefs, if you so choose. The rest can be safely ignored, because nobody else is going to listen to him with any seriousness. Really, I don't understand what the problem is here.

At least this song doesn't make my ears bleed.

Paradeos of Guantanamera (1)

elgee (308600) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826551)

The only decent paroday of Guantanamera is "One Ton Tomato" and there are numerous versions of that.

What's Spanish for "Potemkin Village"? (0, Flamebait)

jcr (53032) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826559)

So, RMS becomes Castro's latest "useful idiot".

-jcr

Counter (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826637)

Bill Gates is gonna counter by releasing a song about how we need more H1B's to replace Godless communist OSS programmers.

Attention Castro haters: (4, Insightful)

subl33t (739983) | more than 6 years ago | (#18826645)

STFU

The song has NOTHING at all to do with Cuba, it's about Gitmo which, for all practical purposes, is 100% American.

He happened to write the song while in Cuba, so what? He could have written it in Argentina or Canada or China.

Now go back to your GI Joes, the grown-ups are talking.
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