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Pokemon Diamond/Pearl Released in U.S.

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the squirtle-squirtle dept.


The wait for 'catch-em-all' folks in the US is over; Pokémon Diamond and Pearl are out today. Joystiq and Kotaku have coverage of yesterday's launch party at the Nintendo Store. "There was a station set up to play the card game, manned by adults who were there to teach the game to kids. Finally there was a station where Junichi Masuda, the game director, and Shigeru Ohmori, the game design lead, signed autographs for those old enough to know who they are. It may have been meant to push Pokémon merchandise (the guys at the card station handed out thin packs of cards to every kid who came by) but it also meant there was something for everyone." 1up and Gamespot, meanwhile, are offering up reviews of the game. Both hand it the respectable score of 8.5, saying that it's still a great game experience but dinging the developers for not moving the series forward in any innovative directions.

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Pokemon is great and all.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18856295)

I guess, but... seriously guys ... get laid.

Why is this news again?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18856299)


Re:Why is this news again?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18859059)

It's not, it's Zonk being his usual self, advertising for Nintendo.

Re:Why is this news again?? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#18871697)

Because it just happens to be one of the most selling videogame series still in use?

So.... (2, Insightful)

Durrok (912509) | more than 7 years ago | (#18856369)

Is it still the same game that I played 10 years ago with just more pokemon? Not that I am interested in playing it again but if I recall correctly that was the only difference between the red, blue, green, etc versions.

Re:So.... (2, Informative)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 7 years ago | (#18856451)

The pokemon games are released in pairs (for the most part), where you can only get certain pokemon on certain versions.

With the pokemon red/blue/green/yellow, pokemon red/blue was what the main pair was for the original game... in the US. Pokemon green was Japan only, and I believe it held the place of pokemon red there. Pokemon yellow was, I think, Pokemon Blue, but you could start with pikachu.

Re:So.... (2, Informative)

Clazzy (958719) | more than 7 years ago | (#18856983)

With Yellow, you collected Bulbasaur, Squirtle and Charmander (i.e. the starting Pokemon on red and blue) along the way. I think there were certain other modifications to make it fit in more with the TV series like Pikachu being unable to evolve and some of the characters from the series.

Re:So.... (2, Informative)

InsaneLampshade (890845) | more than 7 years ago | (#18856525)

You can battle/trade across the world via wi-fi now.

Re:So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18856821)

It's the "Madden 2007" of RPGs.

Re:So.... (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 7 years ago | (#18857509)

Is it still the same game that I played 10 years ago with just more pokemon?

In a sense, but the Wifi abilities actually makes it worth it though. No more having to find people in the person to battle with.

Re:So.... (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#18860883)

Basically, due to the WiFi trading and battling, it is possible to beat the game without leaving your mother's basement, or making any sort of human contact whatsoever.
They've also generally refined each of the Pkmn's that were already there, tweaks to the battle system, time/date sensitive events (like Animal Crossing), sortakinda 3d map, and adapts the game to the DS hardware (touch screen menus, notetaking, sleep mode so you can put it down w/o saving). But the online is the biggest change by far

Wrong demographic for this crap? (-1, Troll)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 7 years ago | (#18856443)

The wait for 'catch-em-all' folks in the US is over; Pokemon Diamond and Pearl are out today. Joystiq and Kotaku have coverage of yesterday's launch party at the Nintendo Store. it "bring your kid to work day" at the SlashDot editorial offices? I think most people here are a little too old to give a flying crap about yet another product in a franchise aimed at the elementary school demographic.

Re:Wrong demographic for this crap? (0, Troll)

n2art2 (945661) | more than 7 years ago | (#18856581)

I think your just bitter that women don't like you and you can't get a date to save your life. Don't take it out on all the people who actually have families. Tech news is tech news even if it is something you think is just for children.

If you don't know, Pokemon is supposed to be the first online playable game coming out for the Wii. There will be more to come.

So get over your pathetic, lonely little self.

Re:Wrong demographic for this crap? (1)

theazreal (1015759) | more than 7 years ago | (#18856749)

I think that's probably an unfair characterisation. Yes, this game is marketed towards children but considering the splash it made in Japan ( and_Pearl#Reception [] ) and the franchise's previous success in America, I think it's unlikely that it won't be an important game this year, if not just by sales volume alone. Anyways, they put out some fun games. :) It couldn't be more mindless than Cooking Mama, after all, and I was (am) terribly fond of that game.

Re:Wrong demographic for this crap? (1)

NsOmNiA91130 (942812) | more than 7 years ago | (#18857067)

I think the game is really damn fun, and it offers a lot of new or updated things, namely the underground tunnels, wi-fi battles and trading, and 3D overworld graphics. It's a fresh game for a rehashed series, and I recommend to any DS owners who liked Red/Blue. Most of my friends play it, and all of us are over 16.

Re:Wrong demographic for this crap? (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 7 years ago | (#18857137)

Actually, the game's merchandising seems to be directed more at kids here in the States. From what I remember, the game itself is fairly age-independent. I mean, yeah your character is like a pre-teen, but honestly it's doesn't throw kiddie stuff in your face. The core games are fairly fun regardless of what age you are.

Re:Wrong demographic for this crap? (5, Informative)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 7 years ago | (#18857199)

You need to separate Pokemon the game from Pokemon the media phenomenon. The media phenomenon is certainly aimed at children...the games are not. The games are pretty much standard console RPG's reminiscent of the 8/16 bit era (and early 32-bit era when 2D graphics were still common)...they just give you a lot more characters to choose from in battle than most. Anyone that likes console JRPG's will enjoy these, especially if they want a little 8/16 bit nostalgia.

Re:Wrong demographic for this crap? (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 7 years ago | (#18857999)

Truth be told, I can't sit through a Pokemon cartoon unless I'm drunk, but the Pokemon games are damn fun regardless (even more tthan most Xbox games for me)

Same applies for the Yu-Gi-Oh games for the DS. The Anime is horrid, but the games are really fun.

Re:Wrong demographic for this crap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18859073)

I bought blue the day it came out(along with a blue gameboy pocket which had finer dot pitch than the color).

It was touted in the nintendo power magazine as an rpg where you chose how your characters developed, and you could trade them, or have tons of them.

Incredibly satisfying demolishing the main badguy's PM with your starting PM because it's supposed to LOSE :)

Re:Wrong demographic for this crap? (1)

trytoguess (875793) | more than 7 years ago | (#18862331)

Sorry, but the GBA pokemon games had groups who thought radically altering the land/water ratio of the planet was a good idea because "people would like it more" as villians. I'm not sure how such a... simple plot is not aimed for the kids.

Correction... (1)

Tickenest (544722) | more than 7 years ago | (#18856445)

"There was a station set up to play the card game, manned by kids who were there to teach the game to adults."


Re:Correction... (1)

Tatisimo (1061320) | more than 7 years ago | (#18857293)

Good comment, but it could have read something like this: In Soviet Russia, kids raise adults.

Pokemon (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18856579)

Pretty soon, they'll have to start using Hex codes instead of color names.

Gotta buy em all, gotta buy em all.

behind much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18856669)

Got my copy sunday.

Re:behind much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18857351)

Yeah, seriously.

FYI if you haven't picked it up yet, Circuit City had it on sale for 20% off (27.99) on Sunday (I went there since GS/GB/GC were out). Don't know if it's still the case but worth a look.

Oblig... (2, Funny)

chowdy (992689) | more than 7 years ago | (#18856859)

Back in my day, we had 150 Pokemon! And we liked it!

Re:Oblig... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18856967)

So now we take those original 150 and play online against these new kids. Heres hoping we can somehow get an original MissingNo to this version.

Re:Oblig... (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#18857237)

...and we battled them... uphill... both ways

Re:Oblig... (3, Funny)

MS-06FZ (832329) | more than 7 years ago | (#18859107)

Back in my day, we had 150 Pokemon! And we liked it!
Yeah! And we could chant out the names of all of 'em in a rap format, and identify each one by its silhouette!

('course, we actually had 151...)

Re:Oblig... (2, Funny)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 7 years ago | (#18860567)

"...And we had to use WIRES to make 'em fight!"

errrrr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18856985)

but dinging the developers for not moving the series forward in any innovative directions.

What were they expecting? Did they not see the word "Pokemon" on the label?

Re:errrrr (2, Insightful)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#18857847)

The point of milking something is to extract everything you can out of it. The big sales weekend in the US just shows the franchise developers that more innovation isn't quite needed yet.

Fads usually don't last this long, though, so I think it's safe to say that the formula works for a reason. Whoa there, cowboy, no need to add chocolate syrup to that milk just yet.

Re:errrrr (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#18862375)

Last time someone tried to fix something that wasn't broken, we got Windows Vista

Not to nitpick.. (1)

Grave (8234) | more than 7 years ago | (#18857517)

I hate to nitpick, but the games released on Sunday, the 22nd. Not today. Not Monday. If you tried to buy them Monday or today, you probably couldn't without a pre-order, since most stores sold out.

Re:Not to nitpick.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18858339)

Not even with a pre-order. I reserved both (nephew and baby brother's bdays are in the next two weeks) and Diamond got back-ordered so they didn't ship EITHER of them!

Re:Not to nitpick.. (1)

mathletics (1033070) | more than 7 years ago | (#18858533)

I was able to walk into an EB at the end of the day and pick one up.

Re:Not to nitpick.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18864817)

There are plenty available in the Best Buy and Circuit City near where I live as of tonight so the rumors of Pokemon being hard to find is a bit overstated!

Been playing a bit since I got it last nite... (1)

Taeolas (523275) | more than 7 years ago | (#18857523)

And it's the same standard play you've seen in all the rest of the games so far. I think my biggest beef though is ineffective use of the touch screen. It would've been so much easier to reorganize your monster team by drag/dropping to switch instead of the little menu that was standard in the games. Or tapping the pokeball on the top left of the touch screen to bring up the switch screen in battle and so forth. Little intuitive things like that would've, IMO improved the game play and would've been simple to bring out. Guess we'll need to wait for Pokemon Opal to be a minor upgrade to Diamond/Pearl with those sorts of tweaks.

Re:Been playing a bit since I got it last nite... (1)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 7 years ago | (#18863525)

If you skipped the GBA ones(like I did) there's a lot of new stuff(and over 300 new pokemon). Berries, breeding, etc. etc. Jebus did they complicate this thing since Red + Blue.

I guess if you didn't, the additions are minor. Shrug, the only reason I really picked this up was for the WiFi. That, and pokemon is a great JRPG lite.

Fantastic Game (3, Informative)

Trip Ericson (864747) | more than 7 years ago | (#18857745)

I see the first few comments are all very negative about this game.

Yet I am 18 and greatly enjoy the game. It's got a fun storyline, a wider variety of Pokemon (the magic number is now 493), and at long last decent graphics.

And I know I'm not the only one. I moderate the Diamond/Pearl forum over at Bulbagarden [] , which is home primarily to a number of older fans, many of whom are older than I am. Say what you will, this game is not just for children. Just because there's no graphic violence and language in it, that doesn't mean it's not fun by a long shot.

That said, I don't own a copy of the English version yet (still playing with my Japanese import of Diamond), but I'll be getting it soon enough.

- Trip

Re:Fantastic Game (1)

CaseM (746707) | more than 7 years ago | (#18860627)

You'll be happy to know that if you have Action Replay, you can extract your save file from your Jap import, move it over to your US copy, and it will work. I believe even the Pokemon names change, too.

Re:Fantastic Game (1)

Is0m0rph (819726) | more than 7 years ago | (#18862069)

I like it. Been playing Pearl all morning. I never played the previous ones but so far a nice light RPG. Just getting into to it so I haven't messed with wifi yet.

DS Emulators? (0, Offtopic)

SilentOneNCW (943611) | more than 7 years ago | (#18859195)

So, on a completely unrelated topic, how is DS emulation coming along?

Re:DS Emulators? (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 7 years ago | (#18860113)


No$gba can run these games. That's a gba emulator written in assembly.
I ran this game just a few hours ago and it seemed fine.

In beta, playability unknown. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18860355)

I know there are a few emulators out there... iDeaS comes to mind. There are also lots of DS ROMs out there, but most of the emulators, last I looked a few months ago, said various things about being in beta or not working very well just yet.

So they're actively being dumped, and I don't doubt that you can find a copy of the Pokemon D/P ROM, but I don't know whether it will be playable or not.

If anyone knows a DS emulator that works great, I'd like to hear about it, too.

Re:DS Emulators? (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#18860939)

The best one Ive seen is NO$GBA (which does DS in addition to GBA). It's a bit slow on my box (AthlonXP 2400+, 1GB RAM), but since my machine is a bit old YMMV. Besides the slowness, it is the most accurate DS emulator Ive seen. Some 3d is a bit finicky, but it's clear besides that. You need ROMs of course (which you own legal copies of, right?).

Wrong Date (1)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 7 years ago | (#18859537)

I hate to bash the editors, but the game was released Sunday, not today; and the party was Sunday as well. And I've got fifteen hours in already, and this is finals week. Oops.

My impressions. (2, Interesting)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 7 years ago | (#18860899)

I got it on Sunday and found the game to be readily available. Given how hard it was promoted in many stores I was expecting it to be harder to find.

Not that anyone asked for them, but here are my initial impressions on the game...

The last Pokemon game I played which was Pokemon Blue for the old Gameboy Pocket and this game despite being significantly more complex is very reminiscent that game. I have to say I don't agree with the complaints that the game should have been more innovative. Sometimes I don't want a game to be innovative. I want a game to adhere to a tried and true formula which I know I will enjoy. I don't want to feel alienated because the developers decided to completely revamp gameplay. I wouldn't want Pokemon Diamond/Pearl to be some stylus-based puzzle game.

Perhaps if I had played all the Gameboy Color and GBA version I would be asking for something different myself. But there are already plenty of other Pokemon games with differing gameplay styles on the DS.

I like the game. It's got nice vibrant graphics. When traveling around the world environments are subtly done in 3D; it all looks like it's sprite-based, but the environments are all 3D. Another neat thing is that a player can cross the entire world seamlessly. The outside world isn't broken into sections. Interiors and caverns, of course are the exception.

The Pokemon, in fights, don't really look any different than what I've seen of the GBA Pokemon games. The lack of character animations is a slight disappointment. But I can appreciate the amount of production involved in dealing with over 400 Pokemon, especially since some aren't much more than blobs.

The background music is decent. But Pokemon sounds leave a lot to be desired. Most consist of odd digital squawks. When I first encountered some of those sounds I couldn't help but momentarily wonder if those audio clips weren't corrupt.

Fights are entertaining but can get tedious sometimes, especially since Pokemon can be taken down more easily than a player character in most conventional RPGs. Walking through tall grass or caverns can bring an absurdly high number of random encounters. Then there are the jerks who stand around waiting to challenge the player. I like the interface, especially during fights. It's colorful and easy to follow. There are some inconsistencies, however, particularly with the inventory. It's like a different team worked on that aspect of the game.

One thing I've noticed is that this game has longer save times than any other DS game I've played to date. In some cases it even warns that it has to save "a lot of data".

The minor issues aside I do enjoy the game. It does get addicting; I can't help but wonder why Nintendo hasn't considered an MMO version of the series.

Re:My impressions. (2, Informative)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#18861897)

Not to atack your post but the battle system has been innovated in 2nd and 3rd generation which you missed and the 4th gen totally shook it up.

2nd : Two new types to balannce psychic. split special into special attack/special defence.
3rd : Limited EVs, so pokemon now have a max stat level instead of in previous games where the more you killed the higher their stats would go even if it was unnatural (killing 3 million geodudes = +400 to defence stat for example). Also added Double battles
4th : Moves are now divided by what they do instead of type. Now we have fire attacks that use attack instead of special attack, completely shakes the boat and crushs a lot of the current cookie cutter builds. On the Wii game there will be 3v3 battles, expanding the 2v2

There are more to it than that but that's the most basic run down and each generation added something new which changed the scene (not to mention new pokemon adds new tactics, as do new moves). But yea, it's not super innovative, but there are quite a few wnehancements if you lift the cover.

Re:My impressions. (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869861)

The 1st/2nd gen had limited EVs as well, the 3rd gen just changes it so it's a points pool instead of per-stat caps.

Re:My impressions. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18865871)

You'll notice the new pokemon have more melodic (that might be stretching it) sounds than the old pokemon. Old pokemons keep the noise they made the first time they appeared, which might account for why some pokemon sound pretty bad compared to others.

One of the most awkward parts of the Pokemon Stadium/Coliseum games was that they also keep the original sound clips. It was really strange to see pretty 3D pokemon battling, yet hearing them make the stupid little digital squawks from the RPGs. I didn't really understand why they couldn't have used the pokemon "voices" from the TV show or something.

Diamond or Pearl (1)

12ahead (586157) | more than 7 years ago | (#18863177)

These games seem like fun. Not knowing anything about Pokemon - which one should I get? Diamond or Pearl? None of the reviews seem to mention what the difference is. I thought Wikipedia [] would have some info but same deal here. Could someone point me at some info about the difference between Diamond and Pearl?

Re:Diamond or Pearl (2, Informative)

Babbster (107076) | more than 7 years ago | (#18863657)

The only difference between the games is that each contains a few monsters unique to it. Unless you've got a friend/relative who is also buying the game (with whom you can trade the version-specific Pokemon), you can just grab whichever one you find without worry.

Re:Diamond or Pearl (1)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 7 years ago | (#18864775)

I got Pokemon Pearl simply because I liked the guy on the cover better.

The only difference that I know of is that each offers some different monsters, I'm assuming late in the game. Otherwise, I doubt you'd ever notice the difference. And with the trading functionality I assume you could acquire anything with a single copy of the game.

Re:Diamond or Pearl (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868273)

If you don't have any Wi-Fi access, ask your friends (if they play) which one they're getting, and get the one they didn't get.
If you do have Wi-Fi access (either through a Wi-Fi router, or Nintendo's fancy USB dongle that only works on Windows), just pick the one with the pkmn you think looks better on the cover, since you'll be able to trade for everything else online.
The only major differences are which pkmn are available in the wild

Re:Diamond or Pearl (1)

spamking (967666) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869053)

I bought my daughter Diamond and she's been playing that thing non-stop since we picked it up on Sunday.

She's turned into a Pokemon nut . . . I'm sure she'd love to learn about trading characters, etc. online, can you recommend any good sites that explain the trading and stuff?


Re:Diamond or Pearl (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869369)

As far as the trading goes, I believe (My copy won't come in for an hour or so) trading has always been done from the second floor of the Pokemon Centers (check the manual, or wait for me to post when the mail arrives). The keyword you're looking for is "Global Trade System". From there, it boils down to searching the list for what you want (for example: Level 12 Female Bulbasaur), and it tells you who has one, and what they want for it. Naturally, you can also put up your own Pokemon and what you want in return for them.
If you know other people, and want to trade/battle directly with them, you will need their "Friend Code", which is a 12 digit number each of you have to dial in on your game. After that, you can find them online, chat with them (using the built-in mic, the offical DS lite headset(mono), or the Turtle Beach headset(stereo). Stay away from the Datel headset), trade and battle directly.

Re:Diamond or Pearl (1)

spamking (967666) | more than 7 years ago | (#18870663)

Thanks for the info . . .

They mess up nearly everything... (1)

zzo38 (1092117) | more than 7 years ago | (#18864593)

I think they added too much pokemons, just the pokemons #1 to #150 is good enough. They also add too much other stuff, such as genders of pokemons and things. Even Pokemon Red/Blue is good but is a few things not very good. I would make it a bit differently.

An honest review from a jaded veteran (2, Informative)

mjhacker (922395) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873395)

Way way back in the day, I bought Pokemon Blue for my Gameboy (yes, the big clunky one that ate up 4 AA batteries). I was lots of fun and everyone at my school played, battled, and traded. Even kids that didn't consider themselves nerds had a copy and were willing to trade or battle if you asked. It was the most revolutionary game for a portable system since Tetris.

I didn't play another Pokemon game since.

It's been 9 years now - I'm married, going to college, and working. When I heard about Diamond and Pearl, I was quick to reserve them both. I'm glad I did.

One of the major things that makes playing Pokemon Diamond/Pearl more enjoyable is the DS's built-in wireless. This might not seem like a big deal, but not every kid on the school yard kept a cable with them for Pokemon trading. Also, of course, the Wi-fi element of the game is very exciting. The voice chat is surprisingly well done, and makes the otherwise long battles (6 vs. 6 is quite a grueling battle) a little more enjoyable.

There was enough nostalgia to make me happy, but at the same time there were many new elements to me (I know most of these things were added in previous versions, but I know I'm not the only one who hasn't played since Blue). My wife, a first-timer at any Pokemon game, received it with enthusiasm and has been playing it every free moment she gets.

It's true that there's not much innovation to be found here. Even so, this is a solid game that was very well done. It remains a solid, lengthy RPG for the DS and will end up as one of the top games of the year.

I need to know if there are any new pokemon.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18888173)

.. like Cubone [] , the one that wears its mother's skull?
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