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Hmmmm...... Yummmy! (0)

kanaka (9693) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530484)

Yes, there is a secret message, and this is it:
Transmeta's policy has been to remain silent about its plans
until it had something to demonstrate to the world.
On January 19th, 2000, Transmeta is going to announce and demonstrate
what Crusoe processors can do.
Simultaneously, all of the details will go up on this Web site
for everyone on the Internet to see.
Crusoe will be cool hardware and software for mobile applications.
Crusoe will be unconventional, which is why we wanted
to let you know in advance to come look at the entire Web site
in January, so that you can get the full story and have access to all
of the real details as soon as they are available.

that ought to be enough (1)

Foaf (1882) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530485)

Yay, at last IBM is making a computer that will run Notes comfortably.

I guess since they've made a Notes-server dedicated box it was time to concentrate on one with enough grunt to take on the Notes client!

but what about.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530486)

... getting the 11th post???

Chiba? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530487)

They are aware of the fact that Chiba is one of the many names for Marijuana, right?

Re:Hmmmm...... Yummmy! (0)

Mr Donkey (83304) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530488)

Just to let everybody know, the above post is a comment in the html source of the transmeta home page [transmeta.com], not some ramblings by a caffeine-pumped slashdotter, like I initially thought it was.

Mouse is House can make a return. (1)

Musc (10581) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530489)

With this kind of computing power available, perhaps project MouseIsHouse can be completed. This project, started 30 years ago, has the potential to revolutionize housing, while literally ending world hunger. Essentially, the idea is to, through genetic engineering, create a mouse who can function as a house. The mouse would be roughly a 300 foot diameter sphere, with a large central cavity, kept clean and dry through a biological moisture evacuation system. We could breed houses, much like we breed cows today. Once grown, the MouseIsHouse will be sulf sustaining, living off photosynthesis and liquid nitrogen. The trick is merging the sequoia tree DNA with the mouse DNA. Doing this requires more processing power than researches have had access to. A 512 node beowulf cluster is perhaps one step closer to free, clean housing and food. On the ceiling of the living chambers grow an edible sludge. While not supremely delicious, it is nutritious, and due to cheapness can wipe out hunger in third world countries. I know this sounds too good to be true, but as anyone involved in the field of animalHousing is well aware of the importance of our work.

infrastructure (2)

netpuppy (77874) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530490)

i'm not a beowulf geek, but 256 nodes seems like a lot of boxes to be running all those scheduling and message passing protocols between. I am curious what they are using to switch that much traffic, and if the GigE is going to be enough to handle all of the traffic between nodes.

I couldn't find any info on the network hardware, however. Sigh.

Re:Chiba? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530491)

It's also the name of a city in one of William Gibson's books. I like it.

Chiba....Hmmmm (2)

mochaone (59034) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530492)

I forget whether Chiba city is a Gibson or Stephenson thing, but when I was growing up, Chiba (cheeba ?) meant weed (yeah, that weed). I would love to see a chiba city ;>)

Ummm...a 1000-node cluster has already been built. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530493)

This cluster has been applied to genetic programming in California. Check http://www.genetic-programming.com/ and http://www.genetic-programming.com/machine1000.htm ...It's not what you know...it's not who you know...it's who knows what you know --Anon

Usenix paper on chiba city (2)

netpuppy (77874) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530494)

can be found here:

http://www.extremelinux.org/activities/usenix99/ docs/betagrid/EvardEL99/index.htm

ob.shoutout [o/t] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530495)

...Headed by Remy Evard, an NU [neu.edu] alum. Yay CCS [neu.edu]!

This is pretty cool. (3)

Dacta (24628) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530496)

It appears this cluster is for development of open-source software. That is amazing - I doubt there are many computers in the world that are more powerful than this and used for software development.

Almost all the super-clusters like this one are used for energy research, weather forcasting, and other scientific research (and of course "classified purposes").

I guess they will be developing super powerful scientific anaylasis applications, but I do wonder what exactly. I mean, isn't half the problem with this type of application developing the algorithms for weather forecasting (or whatever) in the first place?

I suppose they can develop some kind of supercomputer infrastrucure that would be useful in all type of supercomputer applications. (PVM?)

A highly scalable image rendering package would be pretty cool, too.

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Re:that ought to be enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530497)

This definately should have been moderated up...this was funny as hell.

For those wondering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530498)

Chiba is a coastal city in Japan, not too far from Tokyo.

It was referenced a lot by Gibson.

My grandfather's from there :).

I had no idea it was a slang term for marijuana.

Re:Chiba....Hmmmm -- It's Gibson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530500)

It's Gibson -- as in "Hack a Gibson." ;)

Re:Chiba? (1)

Oo.et.oO (6530) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530501)

yes yes it is.
Neuromancer:

"The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel"

Chiba City is also called "The Sprawl"

William Gibson rules

Highlights from that link (2)

Decibel (5099) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530502)

The l ink [extremelinux.org] in the above comment is actually a presentation about the cluster. Here's the juicy bits:

- The primary purpose is to be a scalability testbed
- They expect the cluster to eventually grow to 1000+ nodes (they have a timeline [extremelinux.org] that indicates that they should be getting ready to install the next 768 nodes RSN)
- They mention some sample applications [extremelinux.org]
- There's a 16' x 8' Active Mural [extremelinux.org]
- It will be open to open source development groups and 'people who ask nicely'
- They mention some of the unique management issues here [extremelinux.org] and here [extremelinux.org]
- The cluster is organized as "towns" [extremelinux.org]
- The cluster is actually comprised of 3 12 systems [extremelinux.org] in it's current config.
- Here's the system configurations [extremelinux.org] and network topology [extremelinux.org]

Hey mom! I bought a mouse! (1)

EvilKarma (91072) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530503)

This is a GREAT idea. Now us poor hackers in the bay area can afford to live here without having to shell out ungodly rent rates for little closets full of mice. Now the tables are turned and the mice ARE the closets! Seriously, this gives the terms "mobile home" a whole new set of meanings. One question though? What if ferrets turned out to be more viable large family dwellings? Do you think the state of California would lift the restriction on them if they were to be used as dwelling space only?

(REALLY OFFTOPIC; you have been warned) (3)

Q*bert (2134) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530504)

This usage is immortalized in certain Beasie Boys lyrics:
  • I'm a writer, a poet, a genius, I know it. I don't buy cheeba; I grow it.
  • Yeah I smoke cheeba; it helps with the brain. I might be a little udsted, but I'm not insane.

It will be interesting to see how the DOE's attempt to power Washington D.C. with cheeba turns out. Clinton is sure to oppose it, even though we know he used to fill up on chiba fuel (but didn't actually burn it).

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Re:Chiba (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530505)

Chiba means thoudsands of leaves in Japanese. In particular, leaves from trees not Marijuana!

Re:Chiba? (1)

pb (1020) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530506)

:) And at this rate, we'll have The Matrix (no, no, the one in Neuromancer!) soon enough. It'll be a little crystal with a penguin etched on it, with a Transmeta processor. After all, it's small, portable, and contains all the data in the world...

And to answer another thread up top: "It's not like I'm using." ... "It's like my body's developed this massive drug deficiency." ;)
---
pb Reply rather than vaguely moderate me.

this will prove linux is tops, once and for all (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530507)

this is great news. its good to see IBM leading in open source enterprise computing. they know what we have known for a long time...no commercial unix/os can match linux in reliability, scalability, or innovation.

the facts are there, solaris/sun hardware cannot even compare to intel/linux scalability and SMP efficiency. it's also why 80% of major corporations are abandoning solaris for linux. linux just plain outscales and outperforms.

the sgi/cray stuff is downright pathetic. we've seen quad xeon linux machines completely run circles around SGI origin 2000 systems in production. also, beowoulf makes cray look like an apple II. sgi is dead, and finally no one has to rely on their overpriced, underperforming hardware...(and unscalable, non enterprise ready IRIX os).

Linux is here to rule the world, and now IBM stands behind it. IBM only picks winners, you do the math.

LiNuX MaN

It had to be said... (3)

phil reed (626) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530508)

Jeez, I wonder what a Beowolf cluster of these things would be like.

Uh, wait... oops.


...phil

Re:Chiba (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530509)

And it is not a city from the Neuromancer, any more than airplanes are from the same book. Yes, Chiba City appears in the book, but it is a real city with millions of people living there. It is about half an hour outside of Tokyo, and the real name is Chiba-shi, where shi (pronounced like she) is Japanese for city.

Re:(REALLY OFFTOPIC; you have been warned) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530511)

Cheeba was immortalized for white youth by the Beastie Boys. It had been referenced in dozens of true hip-hop songs going back to the late 70's and early 80's. Once again, another attempt at revisionist history by Da Man. Next, you'll be telling me that punk from Limp Bizkit was the first guy to wear a Kangol.

A bunch of these Would make a great cluster... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530514)

Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll try harder next time.

Re:(REALLY OFFTOPIC; you have been warned) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530516)

Next, you'll be telling me that punk from Limp Bizkit was the first guy to wear a Kangol.


You mean he wasn't?...

Neato Link With Pics and Details (2)

augustz (18082) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530517)

More details here [extremelinux.org]

This looks wonderfull... Send a note of support to info@anl.gov [mailto] or the lead guy on the IBM side, tfiggatt@us.ibm.com [mailto]...

These guys are not only doing stuff that is fun to look at, they are willing to let people work on their own projects within their project... Drop them a note...

Re:IBM Always picks winners? (1)

Vacuum (106320) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530518)

Actually MCA kicked ass performance wise, but the stupid suits at IBM wanted too much money to liscence the tech.

Mouse is House!? (2)

PhiRatE (39645) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530519)

You know, I've read this guys user page, I've wandered through some of his previous comments, I have contemplated the nature of his existance, and it just plain don't make sense.

What sort of crazy electro-neural burst makes people suddenly have the urge to type this stuff? I mean, its funny, yeah, its quite witty, but when you boil away the outer shell, it comes down to being downright insane. Crazy, loony, nuts, crackers, bonkers, stark raving mad.

It MAKES NO SENSE. MouseIsHouse project!? Disgusting but highly nutritious MOUSE SHIT? Where does this COME FROM? I believe that this guy may, in essensce, be some kind of proof that determinism is false. There is no possible sequence of events, no matter how strange or contrived, that could have generated a neural map so convoluted that all those ideas would occur simultaneously, or even over a reasonably short period of time.

I'm going to break down and cry now.

Borg analogy (1)

sklib (26440) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530520)

For some reason all of this reminds me of a Borg cube --- thousands of nodes, some controlling others, all networked, etc etc.
I guess it would kind of suck to be a computational node -- doing integrals in your head 24/7 for weeks at a time sounds kind of painful... Just like preparing for a math exam.

seti@home (1)

sklib (26440) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530521)

If you can buy processor time on it, I think it'd be neat to just buy enough to get you to the top of the seti@home contributor list, and then bask in the glory of a first post.

Benchmark (1)

rlp (11898) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530522)

Hey, maybe we talk Mindcraft into running their
NT vs. Linux benchmark on the Argonne cluster.
And don't forget to include "total cost of
ownership". :~)

Re:Chiba? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530523)

Chiba is a suburb of Tokyo - I was there last weekend and it reminds me of Rockville, Maryland. Hard to picture the events in Neuromancer taking place there. Wirefarm - Too lazy to log in...

Its a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530524)

This is sad for 3 reasons: 1: VALinux does not make true beowulf clusters, if you ever took a good look at how they deal with load balancing you would understand. 2: They are using pentium processor which are not the best for the type of work this cluster will be used for. 3: They are using Gigabit Ethernet, not the best choice. Mathew Lang, Root Computing mathew@rootcomputing.com

Re:Mouse is House!? (1)

Musc (10581) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530525)

You wouldn't believe how much laughing your post has caused me. I read your comment in the middle of a large computer lab full of people, and i laughed so hard i cried. I am increasing observing reactions such as yours to my ideas. Are you yourself joking? Or are you merely completely unable to take a joke? More and more i believe that the world is throughoughly insane. Duplication is theft, exploitation is noble, private individuals are incapable of doing bad things, only the government can do that, freedom is slavery, slavery is freedom, these things and more are accepted by the vast majority, yet make absolutely no sense . The MouseIsHouse was not supposed to make sense, it is a joke, pure and simple. I'm not sure which of my other comments you looked at, but most of those were quit serious, and the fact that they disagree with the traditional view is simply proof that the traditional view is fully irrational. I have been called 'the most extreme person i have ever met', 'brain fried', and now 'stark raving mad'. These comments only go to prove that my views are correct.

Re:Chiba....Hmmmm (2)

moonboy (2512) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530526)

Gibson from Neuromancer.

----------------

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein

That's more obnoxious than "First Post" (1)

squireson (32699) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530527)

What the hell does that have to do with
Chiba City ?
Just curious ,
Your Squire
Squireson

Re:seti@home (1)

Abigail-II (20195) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530528)

If you can buy processor time on it, I think it'd be neat to just buy enough to get you to the top of the seti@home contributor list

That would be an inefficient use of processing power. About 20% of the CPUs are not computing nodes. seti@home clients don't need mayors, storage- or visualisation cities. You'd be better of with 1296 ordinary PCs, then only use 1024 of them in the cluster, and the other 272 for management.

Oh, and you still wouldn't beat those admins that have twice the number of workstations running seti@home.

-- Abigail

Re:this will prove linux is tops, once and for all (3)

Tet (2721) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530529)

solaris/sun hardware cannot even compare to intel/linux scalability and SMP efficiency.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Go away and don't come back until you've got a clue. When was the last time you saw Linux running on a 64 CPU SMP system? Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Linux fan and have been running it for nearly 8 years now (I've even had it running on Sun Enterprise servers), but it doesn't yet scale as well as Solaris.

it's also why 80% of major corporations are abandoning solaris for linux.

Really? And just where did you pluck this figure from? In my experience, a few major corporations are replacing Solaris with Linux for DNS, email, and maybe web serving, and they're doing it for price/perfomance reasons, not for SMP scalability. None are doing it at the high end.

I thought Chiba was right outside of Tokyo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530530)

When I lived in Tokyo, I went to Chiba-Ken a few times. I always thought freaks and malcontents lived there, though, as it seemed like every time there was a murder or something it happened in Chiba.

Re:infrastructure (2)

Chalst (57653) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530531)

They are not all going to be on one ethernet ring! Something like 16x (16 machine subnets) sounds possible.

Re:infrastructure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530533)

See http://www.extremelinux.org/activities/usenix99/do cs/betagrid/EvardEL99/sld018.htm for a slide with some networking details.

A Town of 32 internally interconnected with 100bT. Towns are interconnected with GigE.

I don't know the model numbers off hand, but they are using Cisco switches for this.

I believe they are going to start with Myrinet soon.

At SC99 they were planning to take an entire Town with them in one travel rack. 32 1U tall pcs, networking, and a Mayor.

Re:Its a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530534)

Things to note: this isn't using beowulf. It wasn't designed to. They are using MPI. Also, GigE is being used in this phase, but the plan is to integrate Myrinet. See: http://www.extremelinux.org/activities/usenix99/do cs/betagrid/EvardEL99/sld005.htm http://www.extremelinux.org/activities/usenix99/do cs/betagrid/EvardEL99/sld017.htm

Re:infrastructure (2)

jd (1658) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530535)

I vote for the Mayor of Townsville. :)

(The Townsville cluster will be using experimental Powerpuff networking, which includes protection from crackers using the Mojo suite.)

Re:infrastructure (1)

kperrier (115199) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530536)

The is the "admin" network. It connects the control workstation to the nodes. The SP uses the SP Switch for intra-node communication. It can pass data around at speeds faster Gigabit Ethernet.

Re:(REALLY OFFTOPIC; you have been warned) (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530537)

Then there's Cheeba Cheeba [cddb.com] by Tone Loc. While searching for a URL for that, I found the home page of the Cheeba Brigade [tripod.com] -- kind of like a cross between the McKenzie brothers and Cheech and Chong...

Re:Chiba....Hmmmm (1)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530538)

Yes, Gibson actually called it Chiba City in Neuromancer. He was refering to a city in Japan.

Funny thing about it in Neuromancer it is one of the highest tech places in the world. Right now it is one of the more rural cities in Japan. I know people who build a log cabin there.

Re:It had to be said... (1)

silverton (48912) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530539)

No mention of beowulf in the release, but what else would you use?

BAY-OH-WOLF! ah-oooooOOOOOOOOO!

Re:Mouse is House can make a return. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1530542)

I smell a rat. Anyone recall that, in fact, it's the mice who are experimenting with *us*? (Ahh so subtle says Slardibartfast (sp?)). Yeah, get this mouse-house thing going - maybe then someone will figure it out 2 seconds before the Vogans show up.

Re:this will prove linux is tops, once and for all (2)

Eg0r (704) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530544)

Actually, they're replacing x86/solaris with NT... looks like easier to administer than a unix box :-(

Nothing mentioned about security, stability, scalability... people seem just not to care.

And when you are a linux fan, that can hurt a lot...

---

Re:Chiba? (1)

mackga (990) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530545)

Wasn't the sprawl the Boston-Atlanta Metro in the US? Or was that in the later books?

Testes: one, two... three? (2)

Q*bert (2134) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530546)

This is a test of my new sig

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Re:Testes: one, two... three? (2)

Q*bert (2134) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530547)

Testing again...

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Re:(REALLY OFFTOPIC; you have been warned) (2)

Q*bert (2134) | more than 14 years ago | (#1530548)

What's a Kangol? Is that that fly hairdo that Vanilla Ice had?

;)

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