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Help Make Firefox On Mac Suck Less

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the native-fox dept.

Mozilla 375

bluephone writes "Colin Barrett, one of the new Mac geniuses, and an Adium developer, has posted an entry on his blog offering an open call to all Mac users of Firefox asking them, 'What sucks about Firefox on the Mac?' He says he already knows about and is trying to solve such things as: 'Native Form Widgets (currently scheduled for Firefox 3), Keychain Integration, Firefox should have a Unified toolbar (not completely hopeless, it turns out), Performance...', but he wants to hear what else Mac users want from Firefox. So please, if you're a user of Macs and the interwebs, then RTFA, unclog your tubes, and send him your ideas."

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375 comments

Camino (4, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868373)

Isn't this what Camino [caminobrowser.org] is for? Like, the very reason [caminobrowser.org] for its existence?

I.e., taking the Mozilla/Gecko codebase, and making a lean, fast browser with Mac widgets, tight Mac OS X integration, Keychain support, and so on?

I understand the goal of trying to get more Mac-specific functionality into Firefox, but with a fundamentally cross-platform browser, inasmuch as it goes, it's been harder to integrate platform-specific features and functionality into Firefox proper. That's the reason Camino was born: to be a more agile project that is focused on making such a browser for Mac OS X using Mozilla/Gecko. For folks who don't need specific Firefox functionality or Firefox extensions, Camino is already the answer.

Re:Camino (5, Insightful)

kadat (1092425) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868401)

Although I'm not a Mac user myself and can't say anything in the matter of usability on Mac OS, I use Firefox on both Windows and Linux mainly because of its extensions as they provide great functionality. Firefox without the plugins is not Firefox anymore, they're one of its most significant features.

Re:Camino (4, Insightful)

GundamFan (848341) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868491)

This is exactly why I love Firefox, no mater what OS I am currently using on a box, I have access to a browser I know how to use. In this way projects like Firefox and OO.org may contribute to the end of desktop OS monopolies.

Re:Camino (2, Insightful)

encoderer (1060616) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868827)

Ok... have you ever actually ran into a browser that you DON'T know how to use? Aren't they basically all the same?

Re:Camino (2, Insightful)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869185)

Ok... have you ever actually ran into a browser that you DON'T know how to use? Aren't they basically all the same?

They're all the same, except for what differentiate them. When you're used to keyboard shortcuts and added features that increase your productivity, using a browser that doesn't have them, even though it's still a browser and can still display web pages, will be a much slower and more frustrating experience.

I use Firefox constantly. I love the Ctrl+L shortcut that gives focus to the address bar. I love how I can simply type "slashdot" then hit Ctrl+Shift+Enter to have it turned into "http://www.slashdot.org". I love keyword bookmarks too. I know the Google search bar is right there, I haven't found the keyboard shortcut to access it though, but it doesn't matter because of keyword bookmarks. I wanna google the word "Safari"? Ctrl+L gg safari Enter. I wanna see the Wikipedia entry on Safari? Ctrl+L wiki safari Enter. I wanna see the definition of the word "Safari"? Ctrl+L dict safari Enter.

While the main functionality of all browsers is the same, it's those little added features that make a cross-platform browser even more enjoyable.

Re:Camino (2, Interesting)

mike2R (721965) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868551)

Yeah, I use Camino on the Mac because Firefox is just too clunky, but I do miss the extensions - and have to keep Firefox for occasional use of those extensions I can't live without (Webdeveloper toolbar principly).

Cocoa Gestures (2, Insightful)

mike2R (721965) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868573)

Just to add that the one thing that lets me function in Camino (or Safari) at all, is Cocoa Gestures [versiontracker.com] , although if anyone can tell how to tie this into "top of page" and "bottom of page" actions I'd be a happy man.

Re:Camino (-1, Flamebait)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868415)

Camino is already the answer.
An answer from the ghetto.

No-one is too sure where the hell the Firefox people get their money from, but there is actual funding going on here, and if you can get a browser that people are paid to work on fulltime (people not imported straight from Indian grad schools, thank you Microsoft for playing) then why would you choose to use a browser that people work on now and then?

Re:Camino (4, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868557)

Uh, Camino is not ghetto. Many people who work on it are the same people who also work on Firefox [wikipedia.org] . The lead Camino developers already work for the Mozilla Foundation. And since its purpose is to take the preexisting Mozilla/Gecko codebase and simply add the Mac OS X-specific functionality, I can't see any logic in your answer: most of what makes up Camino is what you're already using in Firefox.

And since when do we denigrate open source software as "ghetto" if everyone on the project isn't paid (which is frankly the same as a lot of the work product that goes into Firefox)? How did this even get modded up? Have you ever even used Camino?

Re:Camino (2, Interesting)

anagama (611277) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869023)

Many people who work on it are the same people who also work on Firefox.
Perhaps then they can work on what drove me away from Camino -- the way it stores login data. If one site has two different logins (eg, gallery and blog), Camino barfs and remembers only one. Firefox can remember both. Or at least this was true some months ago when I finally got fed up with Camino, trashed it, and went back to Firefox.

Re:Camino (1)

porl (932021) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869233)

did you ever submit a bug report or feature request?

Re:Camino (1)

SamTheButcher (574069) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869173)

I've used Camino and it's not that great of an app. Plus, as others have said, the cross-platform-ness of FF is a Good Thing where I work, where Macs & PCs are used side-by-side and familiarity is key.

Re:Camino (2, Insightful)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868563)

It's funny how round here choice is a good thing until it comes to Firefox. Then it's a case of 'but its the bestest browser in the multiverse, why would you want to use anything else?'. Firefox is not the be all and end all of browsers. Some people like to have alternatives.

Re:Camino (1, Flamebait)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869097)

(people not imported straight from Indian grad schools, thank you Microsoft for playing)

Racist much?

What the fuck do you have against Engineers in England? one of the advantages of open source is that it is open to everyone and anyone IN THE WORLD who wants to contribute. And what a best place to be educated than an Open Source project were "people imported straight from indian grad schools" can improve their coding skills and can be flamed because of their errors ?

Oh, I take that you believe that only the average White Skin Kukuxclan-American programmers are good enough for Open Source developing? Hate to break it to you but several of the head open source developers pionners are NOT caucasian (Miguel de Icaza comes to mind).

Sheesh...

Re:Camino (2, Informative)

zentex (176409) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868589)

Isn't this what Camino is for? Like, the very reason for its existence?

yes, it is. When I first got my MAC, I didn't like Safari so I *tolerated* Firefox. After much complaining to a group of friends they suggested Camino, and I was instantly sold.

Sure, the releases are slow to hit market, but it's integration and functionality (not to mention it's clean look) out-weighs all else.

Camino lacks foxmarks! (1)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868663)

I don't have foxmarks from within camino. Foxmarks [foxcloud.com] are awesome - I can have the same set of bookmarks on my Mac at home, in my RHEL box at work and my windows work laptop!

And Camino doesn't support that. It's a deal-breaker for me.

Re:Camino lacks foxmarks! (2, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868679)

Probably why I said:

For folks who don't need specific Firefox functionality or Firefox extensions, Camino is already the answer.

I understand that for many, the lack of Firefox extensions is a killer. But, for other groups of people, it's not.

Re:Camino lacks foxmarks! (1)

GundamFan (848341) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868749)

Google's browser sync does the same thing with the added ability to sync browser history and cookies using encryption and your Google account.

Evil? (1)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868887)

Are they still not evil? And will they continue to be non-evil for all future?

*waves at Sergey & Larry*

Re:Camino lacks foxmarks! (1)

jaavaaguru (261551) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868933)

I have my bookmarks available in every browser, and can sort them in multiple ways, and search them [del.icio.us] .

I use Firefox when using Linux or Windows, and I mainly use Safari on my iBook because it feels faster. I do have Firefox installed though, purely for the Firebug extension.

Re:Camino (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Sniper (113827) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868693)

Camino sucks because it doesn't do firefox extensions, and CMD+[1-9] doesn't switch tabs.

There are probably others, but the lack of extensions had me running back to firefox within 10 minutes of trying Camino. Oh, and because I use Firefox on other platforms and I'd rather it acted similarly on all of them.

Firefox however sucks due to the lack of keychain integration, and because it doesn't read the system proxy settings. Form widgets doens't bother me at all - in fact, I prefer the current setup.

Cheers.

-t

Re:Camino (1, Informative)

FranklinDelanoBluth (1041504) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868949)

Camino still lacks very simple functionality and it does not support all the myriad plugins that Firefox does. Just a simple example, Ctrl+Click doesn't open in a new tab.

I like Firefox a lot on the Mac. In fact my only complaint is performance - (e.g. a total virtual memory footprint ~700MB on a machine with only 512MB physical RAM!!!!!!).

Re:Camino (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18869033)

Maybe I have misunderstood your comment (since control click on a Mac is equivalent to a right click to bring up a pop-up menu) but command-clicking on a link opens it in a new tab in both Camino and Firefox.

Re:Camino (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869161)

Yes, but maintaining Firefox for OSX and Camino isn't necessarily ideal. It's probably a little bit of a duplication of effort for developers, and it might confuse users a little regarding which browser they should be using.

One of the major features of Firefox is its extensions. Camino can't use Firefox extensions, but Firefox doesn't quite integrate into the OS. It'd be nice if they could somehow close the gap.

Macs Suck! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868407)

It's the harsh truth.

Re:Macs Suck! (0, Troll)

osschar (442236) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868503)

Macs are ok ... but most people having them do suck.

Well... (4, Informative)

Megane (129182) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868409)

I can think of one tiny thing that sucks on Mozilla on Mac... when ever I copy a bunch of text from a window, it puts bleeping CR line breaks in instead of LF line breaks. Unless I fix it first, it makes text editing act a bit wonky.

Thanks Mozilla Team! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868429)

The first thing my s.o. demanded to be installed on her shiney new macbook. She didn't like safari alot (missed adblock+ & weather extensions).

Rather ask how to make FF on mac suck less, I'd just like to thank the Firefox dev team for an excellent port, and ask people for suggestions of how FF on os x can rock even more.

SafariBlock (1)

dead nancy (239321) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868561)

I think the Web Developer Extension [mozilla.org] is one of the few things that keep me coming back to FireFox. It also doesn't crash like Safari does when closing windows after watching Poker After Dark [nbcsports.com] episodes.

Regarding AdBlock, tho: SafariBlock [pimpmysafari.com] is pretty close.

DN

Simple Fix (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868445)

Well heck, if all you're trying to do is improve Firefox, just take it off the Mac. The second you do that, it will cease to suck.

Bug report? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868459)

Firefox on the Mac generally meets my needs. I had not really noticed it being much different from Firefox on other platforms. However, there is one thing I noticed. When all open windows are minimized to the Dock, a new window cannot be opened. This happens on a PowerPC-based Mac (10.4.9) with Firefox 2.0.0.3. That is a Mac-specific thing that would be nice to have fixed.

Bring back... (2, Interesting)

eggman9713 (714915) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868461)

...third-party cookie blocking please! This option was removed in FireFox 2.0 for whatever reason, and although this is not unique to the mac version, it would be nice to have it back, as it majorly prevents advertising cookies and gives me just that much more peace of mind when I surf the net.

Re:Bring back... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868639)

It was removed because it didn't work. It has never worked before and doesn't work in other browser either (although they might advertise it), it is just too easy to circumvent.
 
Instead of giving people a false sense of security by offering a security function that doesn't work, they just simply removed it. And so should other browsers.

Nice idea... (3, Insightful)

Rufty (37223) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868495)

Any chance of something like this for Thunderbird?

Re:Nice idea... (1)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868541)

Any chance of something like this for Thunderbird?

Well said. I've sat here for a few minutes, and I can't think of much for Firefox, but the Thunderbird list might as well be a mile long. Thunderbird needs Mail.app import and Spotlight integration for starters.

Re:Nice idea... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868649)

Correo?

http://www.nkreeger.com/correo/ [nkreeger.com]

That's Gecko + some Thunderbird code - the XUL shit + Mac interface

Looks like he's already got (3, Interesting)

wiredog (43288) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868501)

all the suggestions I would make. Primarily, fix the borken bookmarks. It'd be nice to be able to order them by hand rather than having the app decide for me which order they should be in.

Other than that, I prefer FireFox to the built-in Mac browser.

Re:Looks like he's already got (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868697)

Bookmarks are not Mac-specific.
 
Both bookmarks and history are getting a major overhaul for Firefox 3 though. It is called 'Places' and actually, the work on it is mostly done by now. I think you can expect a Firefox 3 alpha build with the new 'places' system in about six weeks.

Re:Looks like he's already got (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868877)

Primarily, fix the borken bookmarks. It'd be nice to be able to order them by hand rather than having the app decide for me which order they should be in.

Huh? Bookmarks--> Organize Bookmarks... now move them around by hand all you want.

IE tab? (1)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868509)

[ducks and runs away to dodge rotten tomatoes nay rotten apples being thrown]

Re:IE tab? (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868865)

Well, as long as you don't mind the version of IE in question being ridicoulsy outdated, discontinued, and not able to run native on the new Macs, then go ahead.

Re:IE tab? (1)

chrish (4714) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869049)

Actually, you're not as trolly as you might have thought.

An IE Tab style add-on that would load the page with WebKit instead of the Firefox renderer would actually be helpful sometimes; I've hit a few websites in the last month that wouldn't work with Firefox 2.* on OS X but would work with Safari.

Yes, the solution is to bitch at the idiots who made the site check for specific browser/OS combos instead of just writing up standard XHTML and CSS, but in the mean time, I need to get things done...

Re:IE tab? (1)

MetalPhalanx (1044938) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869135)

IE tab requires the IE rendering engine to be installed on the computer before it will work.

FF&OO (1)

ThirdPrize (938147) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868513)

The standard FF like the standard OO both look like something running on a Windows 3.1 machine. Whats the point of a nice sleek MacBook if your main app is so clunky and out of place. They should branch the FF code like NeoOffice have done and stick a decent OSX UI round it.

Re:FF&OO (1)

asylumx (881307) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868605)

Well, honestly they should put a prettier UI on FF for Windows, too. That would get them a lot farther -- if they can do it without slowing its load time down even more.

Re:FF&OO (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868615)

Since NeoOffice feels like running Vista on a Windows 3.1-old machine, that would be so much better!

Re:FF&OO (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868675)

As someone else already pointed out - Camino.
It's hard to make an app have a native look on multiple different OS's, since they all use different gui toolkits. Therefore, most cross platform apps write a base abstraction layer using the native gui toolkit and have their own toolkit running atop that. It also results in the app looking and behaving the same on all platforms (except that firefox has different default themes for mac)

Re:FF&OO (1)

ThirdPrize (938147) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868751)

But why can't Camino use FF plug-ins? Without the plug-ins its just another browser. They should at least share that much of a code base.

Re:FF&OO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18869057)

Whats the point of a nice sleek MacBook if your main app is so clunky and out of place.
Hmm ... let me think.
...
I got it! There is no point, really!
And while we're at it: have a few question marks:
?????
There, that should be enough to profit from for a few days!
I'm afraid I can't pass you any of my apostrophes; they're too valuable. I need them when writing comments.

Re:FF&OO (1)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869229)

Tons of people consider OpenOffice.org to be "Mac compatible," which is like saying a Windows app is "Mac compatible" because you can run it in emulation. X11 is about as far from a mac-like experience as you can get. It's absolutely hideous to look at, and there's no standardization about how interfaces should work.

printing blows as well.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868531)

I swear that it is mysteriously locked into US Letter paper size and not using A4.....

Its kinda funny. (4, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868545)

I usually use Safari but I don't know why. I have firefox in my dock right next to it. I also tend to get slightly better compatibility with Fire Fox. But... I still use Safari. I think the main reason is probably the bookmarks work better in safari. But I don't really use bookmarks that much. I guess the only feature that I really prefer over Safari that I use over Firefox is RSS I just like Safari RSS Support better then Firefox. If I bookmark an RSS Feed it automatically subscribes me. And there is a search bar right there for me to find info in it. It is not that firefox is bad and there isn't a work around it is not that hard to do a cmd-F (though having the search on the bottom of the window is annoying) It is usually easy to make an app that looks and works good for both Linux and Windows. But for Mac there is a slightly different set of standards. Firefox isn't horrible but if still feels out of place.

Search at the bottom (1)

Hyperhaplo (575219) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868661)

In response,

I'd like to comment that the Search box being at the bottom of the window is one of the reasons I first switched to Firefox (back in the days when Netscape was dead and Opera was the only real alternative). I've lost track of the number of times I've used MS applications (or anything else really) and have been annoyed by the search box covering up text. Just my 2p.

Perhaps your comment could be more correctly summed up as:
"SUGGESTION: Allow the Search bar to float and not be locked at the bottom of the window."

Here's a few (-1, Troll)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868547)

Have maximize remove useless title bar.
Make alt-tab cycle distinct windows.
Recognize ctrl-based shortcuts.
Have a close button on the preferences window.

Otherwise it's the best software available for the Mac, after Boot Camp.

Re:Here's a few (1, Informative)

ben there... (946946) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868653)

Have maximize remove useless title bar.

Not really useless. It tells you what page you're on/article you're reading if the web dev is competent (ie not myspace devs).

F11 should do what you're looking for.

F11 (1)

xenn (148389) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869109)

Really? What does F11 do for you on Mac Firefox?

I wish it worked like it does in windows, using all the screen real estate, complete with removing the Apple menu too. The only browser I remember having that very useful functionality was iCab, with it's Kiosk mode.

Re:Here's a few (2, Informative)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868689)

If you want to cycle windows in an app, use Command+~. I'd really appreciate it if Windows behaved this way. Not every window is the same.

Re:Here's a few (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18869139)

Ctrl + Tab works for most windows apps.

Huh? (5, Interesting)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868581)

I use FF exclusively on both the Mac and Windows, and I think the Mac version works *better* than on Windows...the Mac version doesn't get sluggish after opening and closing a lot of tabs, doesn't gobble up half a gig of ram, and I have never had it just up and quit on me like it does on Windows.

I find FF on the Mac is also more tolerant of some of the more ... baroque addons; I admit to being an addon junkie and addons that claim to be fully cross-platform crash on Windows while I've never had an addon crash FF on the Mac.

So, hey, if they want to make FF better, that's awesome, but to me, it's enhancement, not fixing.

Re:Huh? (1)

pubjames (468013) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868909)

Me too! There is nothing sucky about Firefox. If anything, I wish that Apple would drop Safari and just use Firefox, and use their energies elsewhere.

one-button mouse world (1)

bananaendian (928499) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868585)

In Firefox when i for example press and hold over a link or image, it doesn't bring up the menu you get by right-clicking on Windows? On Windows I do a lot of right-clicking and don't have to touch the keyboard at all - with mac I have to either use keyboard to 'right-click' or find the function among a maze of menus. And buying a two button mouse isn't the solution you insensitive clod! since I'm using the trackpad on the macbook.

Re:one-button mouse world (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868677)

If you're using the trackpad on the macbook try putting two fingers on the trackpad as you click the button.

Re:one-button mouse world (1)

cypherz (155664) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868691)

So why not just use the built-in right-click functionality of your MacBook trackpad? It's under Trackpad Gestures on the Trackpad tab of the mouse prefs pane.

HTH

Re:one-button mouse world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868711)

Place two fingers on the trackpad, and click with your thumb. This will give you the desired "right click". If it doesn't work, check your preferences.

Not if you don't want it. (2, Informative)

fatalb7 (852308) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868721)

In the Keyboard & Mouse system pref there is an option called:
"Tap trackpad with two fingers for secondary click".
At least on my MB Pro.

Moving two fingers = scroll.
Taping two fingers = right click

I rarely use the trackpad button in fact.

Re:one-button mouse world (1)

binary paladin (684759) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868915)

Yeah, that ctrl button is WAY THE HELL over there.

Of course, if you have a Macbook, you could try clicking with two fingers for a right click. So, unless I'm an insensitive clod and you only have one finger... of course, then a two button mouse wouldn't work anyway.

Re:one-button mouse world (2, Informative)

wnknisely (51017) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869075)

Goto "about:config"

Set ui.click_hold_context_menus to "true"

Enjoy!

Re:one-button mouse world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18869167)

So double-tap right click on your macbook. You ignorant clod.

Flash and adblock (1)

Pseud0 (412706) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868599)

I wish the flash integration on mac wouldn't let firefox/flash consume 100% CPU, making my MacBook want to hoover. I also wish that Adblock wouldn't make my overlays flicker in and out of screen. As for Firefox itself - it doesn't suck. It's still the very best. Even on Mac. So quit whining and get in the game!

Re:Flash and adblock (1)

jhfry (829244) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868681)

Ditto!

The little lady gets upset when I close her browser before logging myself into our Mac... of course if I don't, her damn myspace page (that is always up) consumes 70%-100% cpu AT ALL TIMES.

I don't notice any significant slow downs normally associated with a task using excessive CPU... so I suspect that the consumption is low priority (or Mac gives the interactive user/application priority)

Either way, it usually breaks sleeping too. I can force it to sleep, but it never goes to sleep on it's own if she leaves that damn myspace page open.

Re:Flash and adblock (1)

Miseph (979059) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868947)

My friend, the solution is to reclaim the computer and set some rules prohibiting stupidity. If you're really ballsy you could just go for the throat and declare no MySpace, though that runs the risk of being willfully ignored and undermining the whole effort. I'd just go for explaining to her why it's completely idiotic to leave that up, especially since it clearly wastes a lot of energy and slows the machine down significantly.

I speak from personal experience, by the way: mine used to have a thing for leaving Photoshop open with 20+ extremely hi-rez photos loaded for hours at a time; then she'd get mad at me when I closed it because my machine only had 256 megs of RAM and just touching the mouse caused it to lag out. It can be done, though.

Re:Flash and adblock (2, Funny)

jeremyp (130771) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869017)

making my MacBook want to hoover.
Yes, that really sucks.

Out of curiosity (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868603)

Can anyone comment on how Opera behaves on the Mac?

Re:Out of curiosity (1)

binary paladin (684759) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868857)

Pretty well actually. Now, I'm not a regular Opera user, so take that for what its worth. I just use it for web development testing. The widgets are native, though one of the annoying things about web dev on a Mac is how differently the native widgets deal with new CSS directives in Camino, Safari and Opera. Safari ignores just about everything (except height and width on textareas and width on text), the sizing always seems wrong in Camino and Opera buttons inherit * { padding: 0; margin: 0 }

The speed is good and the rendering is clean though. I'm running 9.2 on this machine here.

Re:Out of curiosity (1)

KodeSlut (890122) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869111)

i use opera and firefox both at work, windows xp and home os x. i find that opera is better on mac os x than on windows. in my opinion opera in general is better than firefox on both winows and mac. there a still occationally some pages that don't work in opera but it just keeps getting better and better.

The old right click stuff (2, Informative)

zackster (984694) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868633)

one thing I hate with FF OSX is the fact you can't right click on a bookmark in a folder on the personal tool bar and open it in a new tab it was marked in bugzilla as won't fix, and there's at least 6 duplicates, the bug is 300710 it used to work, "It was removed because right click in mac menus fires the menu item command"

Re:The old right click stuff (1)

barrymccaul (834692) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868743)

couldn't agree more. this is by far my biggest pet peeve since i started using a mac as my main machine.

if you can right click on a link and choose a tab from the context menu, or command-key and click to open straight in a new tab, surely ONE of those options could allowed to work in bookmarks.

My Firefox pet peeve - bookmark shortcuts (1)

zzyzx (15139) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868635)

I don't know if this is cross platform or not, but when I pull down my bookmarks from the menu, typing the first letter of the bookmark doesn't cycle me through the bookmarks starting with that letter. Rather it takes me to either a subset of that group or, in the case of U on my mac, to the first bookmark starting with W. I really wish that would work better.

I only have one request (1)

ptomblin (1378) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868651)

Fix all the damn memory leaks. I have to restart Firefox about once a week because it chews up a gigabyte of RAM. I have to say, that's way better than back in the Firefox 1.1 days when I had to restart it several times a day, but still.

Small correction (0, Troll)

ramoth4 (575593) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868665)

My last name is spelled "Barrett". People spell it wrong all the time, it's not a big deal.

Thanks for the help getting the word out, Slashdot. I've got hundreds of emails and blog comments, and the more data I have, the better. I really do think I'll be able to gather a lot of useful and interesting data from all these suggestions.

Thanks again!

Sheesh... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868685)

Dear, Colin Barret
Buy a Mac and use Firefox yourself instead of writing an article about a question for a solution where you don't know the problem for.

Next problem. But this time a real problem please... like "Help Make Slashdot editors suck less in their journalism"

Re:Sheesh... (1)

KodeSlut (890122) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869245)

yes,
But every one uses software differently.
These differences translate into a diffenrent expirence from each person. So just because he could run FireFox hims self, is no guarantee to finding all the issues.

It seems perfectly reasonable it wnat input from other people.

So it seems.

*Sheesh*

Suck less == stop crashing. Ever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868717)

It's that simple. Remove "Talkback" because it's unnecessary. That's the goal.

For me, (1)

ambrosen (176977) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868741)

the most useful thing would be to have an AppleScriptable DOM, like Safari. But that's only because I've got a Firefox only site that I use that I'd like to copy data into programmatically.

to be fair to mozilla... (4, Informative)

owlnation (858981) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868755)

They have significantly improved Firefox on the Mac as time goes on.

I found I had to be very dedicated to use Firefox 1.5 - that release just plain sucked, especially with regard to stability, favicon use, bookmarks, and I found the search bar crashed the app more often than not.

However, since v2.0 things have got better, it seems to be overall more stable and they have addressed the favicon issue up to a point. Bookmark control still leaves a lot to be desired. (Though that has room for improvement in the Windows version too - and I know that's being addressed for v3.0).

I seem to remember reading that for v2.0 they had a deliberate policy of a "Firefox look" across platforms, thus moved away from an OS X looking application. I'm not sure if that is the right decision. Firefox does look odd on a Mac. (And for the inevitable reply that says "but you can use a theme to make it look like OS X" - I'd rather not even try, themes can be very unstable and hog resources.)

It's a tough market - Safari is a great browser, the only real reason to use Firefox is the extensions (which is a great reason, and the one that keeps me loyal to the Fox. You'll only prise Flashblock and Adblock from my cold dead mouse hand)

Re:to be fair to mozilla... (1)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868963)

yeah, adblock adds 20 minutes of battery life by removing flash and other things. :)

Full Screen (1)

neoform (551705) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868757)

Allow the browser to actually take over the whole screen instead of just removing the buttons at the top.

Oxymoron of the day (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868765)

Colin Barret, one of the new Mac geniuses
Today's oxymoron of the day is "Mac genius."

Re:Oxymoron of the day (1)

achbed (97139) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869213)

And "Windows Guru" was yesterday's.

respect icc profiles (1)

yulek (202118) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868825)

given the mac's strength in graphic applications, how about making firefox respect and support icc profiles?

Re:respect icc profiles (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18868993)

That is already being worked on and will probably make it into Firefox 3.

  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16769 [mozilla.org]

iLife Photo integration (1)

ironring2006 (968941) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868845)

This isn't really a big one in the grand scheme of things, but what I like about Safari over FF is that I can just drag and drop images from a webpage and put them into iPhoto. In FF I have to manually save the image first and then import it into iPhoto. I think before you also couldn't do it for iTunes album art, but that has since been added. I still use FF myself, but that is one thing I wish it had that Safari does.

Bookmarks (1)

22_9_3_11_25 (645799) | more than 7 years ago | (#18868975)

I use FireFox with linux and wish they would improve the manage bookmarks part of the browser. I don't find it to be very intuitive and managed to wipe out an entire section of bookmarks. If you click a folder full of bookmarks and click cut , you can not paste it. They are lost forever. Not Mac specific but it would be nice if it got fixed for linux :)

This goes a lot deeper. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18869003)

They should be asking themselves "What sucks about the Mac?".

Crashes and quirks in FF on Macs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18869069)

In my experience, FF on Mac crashes a bit too often. And I know it's not just me who's experiencing this. Other things I've had problems with are odd graphical quirks, such as some divs "bleeding" into the scrollbar, straight lines being broken off etc, while the same sites seem to have no such quirks in neither Linux or Windows.

Just Say No to Native Form Widgets. (0)

aashenfe (558026) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869077)

Native Form Widgets scare me.

What scares me is the Mac version of Firefox will act different than the normal version, and will cause a lot of problems for my web applications

I've already run into problems with Mac Firefox because of the scrollbars (I believe they are os native). I had a scrollable div in the center of the screen that I would fill with data using AJAX. Most of the time the div is hidden. On Mac, the div was invisible, but the scrollbars cut out a blank area in the underlying page. I had to set overflow to clip instead of scroll everytime i would hide the div. It worked fine on all other OS's and even IE.

The point is I should be able to test firefox on one platform and expect it to work the same on all Firefox's on any OS it supports.

So I feel Native widgets on any OS is a slippery slope that will cause more harm than good for Firefox.

Re:Just Say No to Native Form Widgets. (1)

Junks Jerzey (54586) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869123)

What scares me is the Mac version of Firefox will act different than the normal version, and will cause a lot of problems for my web applications

I'm trying to let "normal version" slide, but I'll at least laugh at it :)

The point is I should be able to test firefox on one platform and expect it to work the same on all Firefox's on any OS it supports.

Wow, you're missing the whole point of separating presentation and functionality. What if someone increases font size? Do you handle that? And you don't care about people using other browsers like Camino that have been using native widgets for a while now? Don't design web sites that are based around these kinds of details.

Sure, I've got one (3, Insightful)

pongo000 (97357) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869085)

Fix the damn file associations dialog so that you can not only add file associations and actions from the GUI (rather than digging down into an .rdf file), but that files of the same type open consistently without constantly having to deal with the "open with" dialog.

Oh, wait...same problem on Linux too! Never mind...

popup menu problem with multiple screens (2, Informative)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869201)

I have two screen attached to my mac, and if I put a firefox window in the second screen and type things in address bar or search bar, the popup menu appears in the first screen. Safari doesn't have this problem.

resizable search window (1)

Anoraknid the Sartor (9334) | more than 7 years ago | (#18869281)

In Safari the "search" field next to the url bar is drag resizable. It's the one thing I miss in Firefox.

Javascript heavy sites - particularly google maps mashups - seem to run a lot faster in firefox. It is also a lot less flaky than safari when doing a large amount of data entry through forms.

Firefox window placement can be a bit flaky on dual monitor setup - the preference panel sometimes decides it will only live in one corner of the screen.

For those who want Mac widgets in firefox, they are available in special builds...
http://www.beatnikpad.com/archives/2007/03/29/fire fox-2002 [beatnikpad.com]
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