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How Wii Is Creaming the Competition

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the my-favorite-flavour-of-competition dept.

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CNN has a report on the Wii's success in the games marketplace right now, referring to their sales dominance as 'creaming the competition'. The article tries to break down exactly why Nintendo's console has sold so successfully, discussing the system's marketing, engineering, and philosophy. "Next, engineers settled on a new approach for the Wii's looks. Just as the DS shunned the Game Boy name to appeal to a broader audience, the Wii would adopt a sleek white exterior instead of the toylike loud colors used on the GameCube. Even CEO Iwata got involved in the design process; at one point he handed engineers a stack of DVD jewel cases and told them the console should not be much bigger. Why so small? To work with the motion-sensitive wireless controller Nintendo planned, Iwata reasoned, the console would have to sit directly beside the TV. Make it any larger and customers would hesitate to leave it there. " Their sales strategy is working in spades. CVG reports that at least one analyst thinks that Wii demand won't be met until 2009. This past weekend Chris Kohler had an interesting comment on the 'ambassador programs' Nintendo ran in advance of the Wii's launch, and how that might tie in to the system's financial success.

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377 comments

They're outselling them? (4, Funny)

BobPaul (710574) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872473)

I'd have to say it's quite obvious. Nintendo is creaming the competition by selling more units then them...

Re:They're outselling them? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18872493)

I remember when people used to just say, "First Post!"

Re:They're outselling them? (5, Insightful)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872499)

With a new gimmick, great brand name and at half the price is there really any wonder why?

Half the price my paw (1, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873161)

With a new gimmick, great brand name and at half the price is there really any wonder why?
Xbox 360 is 400 USD, while a Wii purchased from a scalper is 320 USD. Where do you get this "half the price"? The PS2, which still has new games coming out for it and a huge selection of existing fun titles such as We Love Katamari and Amplitude, is half the price of either Wii or Xbox 360.

Re:Half the price my paw (3, Insightful)

bluephone (200451) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873189)

So you compare the MSRP, the price at retail, to a scalper's price. Now that's solid evidence. Try comparing apples to apples. 400 to 250, 62.5% of the price, or half the price of the PS3.

Re:Half the price my paw (4, Insightful)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873439)

Actually it is a somewhat valid arguement.

The Wii IS selling at those prices.
PS3's are not selling at a loss.

Re:They're outselling them? (1)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873507)

I also think that the PlayStation 1 fanboys are starting to grow out of it, and the PS2 didn't generate nearly as many fanboys, so Sony doesn't have a so much of a free ride as they had with the PS2.

Re:They're outselling them? (4, Informative)

Erwos (553607) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872609)

The Dreamcast sold extremely well when it first came out, too. Didn't stop Sony from slaughtering Sega later, though. You've got to follow through on that initial lead, and I'd argue NO ONE has done that particularly well this time around.

The Wii outsold the Xbox 360 by 25% last month. That's certainly a sizable lead, yet it's not exactly what I'd call "creaming the competition". I'd also argue that the Wii's monthly software sales have been underwhelming - Wii Play has been propping up the numbers to a large extent, and that's a $10 game bundled with an accessory.

Now, if you want to talk about getting creamed, let's talk about the PS3...

Re:They're outselling them? (3, Insightful)

SighKoPath (956085) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872679)

I'd say Sega slaughtered itself more than Sony did. The Dreamcast's lack of copy protection, while great for homebrew, made it a very easy target for software piracy. It's incredibly difficult to get a good balance. While I would prefer consoles to be incredibly simple to run custom software on, game developers do need to be able to sell their games, instead of users just downloading and burning them.

Also, the controller wasn't all that comfortable to use, and having the cord coming out on the side facing the player was a rather poor design decision. The VMU was cool, though.

Re:They're outselling them? (5, Interesting)

(A)*(B)!0_- (888552) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873087)

"I'd say Sega slaughtered itself more than Sony did. The Dreamcast's lack of copy protection, while great for homebrew, made it a very easy target for software piracy."
Sure, that was a problem but look at the history of the Dreamcast. The hardware sold well for a short period of time and then numbers of consoles sold fell off. If your thesis was correct, shouldn't we expect to see a huge installed user base of the console coupled with poor sales of games?

That is not what took place. The Dreamcast sold well but then slumped badly after Sony promised the moon with the PS2. Even if you only look at the sales figures in a vacuum - a drop in hardware sales does not indicate, to me at least, a problem with widespread piracy. If anything, piracy should have helped to move more numbers of consoles.

Re:They're outselling them? (1)

i_am_socket (970911) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873145)

Now, if you want to talk about getting creamed, let's talk about the PS3...

Yes, lets talk about the large pallet of PS3s sitting in the isle of the local Best Buy for several weeks while I have yet to make it to the store in time to get a Wii. Hmmm... Seems like a case of creaming to me.

Yes, I could go someplace else to buy one, but why make it easy?

Re:They're outselling them? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873235)

Yes, let's talk about Nintendo's poor supply chain management, shall we?

Re:They're outselling them? (4, Insightful)

badasscat (563442) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873173)

The Wii outsold the Xbox 360 by 25% last month. That's certainly a sizable lead, yet it's not exactly what I'd call "creaming the competition". I'd also argue that the Wii's monthly software sales have been underwhelming

Well, its hardware sales have honestly been somewhat underwhelming too - despite what the article here would lead you to believe. That stuff about them not meeting demand until 2009? Makes it sound like customers are just clamoring to get their hands on the Wii, when the truth is they sold 259,000 units last month. That's about average for any game console, and only a little better than the Xbox 360, which has systems sitting on store shelves all over the country.

The truth is one of two things: either Nintendo's having major production problems, or they're artificially and intentionally short-supplying for PR purposes. If it's the latter, it appears to be working - for now. Lots of people talk about how Nintendo "can't keep up with demand", which implies that demand is great. But that will only last for so long, as people see the actual monthly sales numbers.

They're doing better than MS or Sony right now, and selling more units, so I'm not saying this is all completely overhyped. But I would argue that any game manufacturer that can't make more than 259,000 units a month - especially one that's as relatively simple as the Wii, and especially one that's been on the market for six months now - has some serious problems. Their inability to meet demand is only good news if that means they're selling a huge number of units, but that's not the case. They're unable to meet demand because their production capacity is much too low, which just means they're leaving potential customers' money on the table and selling a lot fewer units than they should be.

Re:They're outselling them? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873565)

How about you look at the worldwide sales numbers instead of the american ones?

How? (0)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873521)

I haven't seen a Wii for sale in any store for months.

PS3 F-ed up, and 360 is too hardcore (2, Insightful)

CogDissident (951207) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872529)

The PS3 really bungled their launch, and they didn't provide any competion at all.
The Xbox360 marketed itself to "hardcore" gamers who spend all day playing, and has little appeal to casual gamers and the general public at large.

This left 80% of the market open for the Wii to sell to, and they effectively had no competition.

Re:PS3 F-ed up, and 360 is too hardcore (0, Redundant)

metroid composite (710698) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872587)

No competition? Nah, if nothing else the Wii needs to compete with the DS and the PS2. The DS has continued to outsell the Wii by a dramatic margin, and the PS2 has fluctuated back and forth (driven by what's coming out for the system; Guitar Hero 2 and God of War 2 both caused sales spikes).

Re:PS3 F-ed up, and 360 is too hardcore (1)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873591)

Wii needs to compete with the DS
What?

You're suggesting that for Nintendo to be the "winner", it should need to out-compete itself?

I'm not buying a WII... (1)

Safety Cap (253500) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872577)

...but I will buy an xbox 360 once Halo comes out. I'm pretty much still having fun with my OG xbox and could care less about cross-grading.

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (2, Insightful)

Gertlex (722812) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872615)

...but I will buy an xbox 360 once Halo comes out. I'm pretty much still having fun with my OG xbox and could care less about cross-grading.
Halo came out years ago man. ;)

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18872825)

Thanks for letting us know. Any other aspects of your life you want to share?

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (5, Insightful)

wiggles (30088) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872851)

Repeat after me: "I, state your name, am NOT in Nintendo's target demographic."

You are most likely male, between the ages of 18 and 25. You are not who Nintendo wants to sell these things to. They want to sell to adults, with careers and families, who want to pick up a game to play for 20 minutes -- not hard core gamers. They want to sell to thirtysomethings (like me) who played NES, SNES, Genesis, Turbografix, etc. back in the day, and want to share the games they used to play with their children.

They want people who can pick up a game and have fun for the short amount of free time they have. It's hard to do that with an Xbox or PS* -- it's not fun getting pwned by some 12 year old with nothing better to do with his time than play Halo for 40 hours a week.

It shocks the hell out of me that they were the first ones to realize this market even exists.

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (0)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872915)

"Repeat after me: 'I, state your name, am NOT in Nintendo's target demographic.'"

But surely to "cream the competition" one must steal customers away from your competitors, and therefore targeting people in those competitors' target market.

To be fair, CNN said it, Nintendo didn't. And I'm sorry I called you Shirley.

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (5, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873009)

But surely to "cream the competition" one must steal customers away from your competitors, and therefore targeting people in those competitors' target market.

Nope. You can either do that or you can attract other customers and expand the market. It doesn't matter if the competition is getting the same absolute number of customers they would have anyway, as long as they're still getting relatively much fewer customers than you.

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (4, Insightful)

alcmaeon (684971) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873013)

"It shocks the hell out of me that they were the first ones to realize this market even exists."
Actually, I think Microsoft figured it out with solitare and networked checkers, but they just didnt' figure out how to make money at it.

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (3, Insightful)

Udderdude (257795) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873305)

The first to really profit from it was EA games with The Sims. It really tapped into an unexplored market and it paid off big time.

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (2, Interesting)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873019)

"I, state your name, am NOT in Nintendo's target demographic."
I get that feeling a lot. The game is fun for the first 20 then I'm left wondering "and now what?"

for instance nintendogs for the DS. Fun for exactly 20 minutes then you find out thats it. No locked features, no extras, just more decoration. Wii Cooking mama.. can't do anything with those points just minigames. Wii Warioware.. minigames. Wii Rayman.. minigames. Wii sports. 20 min then meh. Lotsa of minigames nothing with meat except zelda. thankfully there is more variety in DS titles but my fear is they will abandon my market segment to do nothing but shallow mini-game collections.

I have a life and am busy too but I need a $40+ to entertain me for more then 20min.

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873233)

I have a life and am busy too

Sure... and your post on Slashdot proves it !

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (2, Interesting)

SpottedKuh (855161) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873275)

Wii sports. 20 min then meh.

That's interesting. I've sunk a whole bunch of time -- many, many hours -- into Wii Sports. Bowling especially! The nice thing is, I haven't sunk all that time at once. I've played for a while, done something in real life, come back, and so on. My fiancee and I play Wii Sports together, since it's a great game to play with someone who doesn't have as much video game experience.

Even if you want games that take longer, how about Zelda? Or Super Paper Mario? I think the Wii succeeds, because it hits all of these targets.

I might be the market (2, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873303)

Being over 40 and not a gamer, I have zero interest in mastering one of those fancy pants controllers like the Xbox has. But I'd like to play games with my kids. It's no fun for you kid to race cArs with you if your continually driving it to the wall on level one, which is my forte. having tried it once I can see that while I'm still disoriented a bit, the wii controller gets you to a high and competitive level fast. I'd consider getting one so we could both enjoy it.

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (1)

AbsoluteXyro (1048620) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873381)

You are most likely male, between the ages of 18 and 25. You are not who Nintendo wants to sell these things to.

Really? Because I bought one. And I'm 22. And I love it.

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (4, Informative)

radish (98371) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873385)

Speaking as a male, aged 32, with a career and a wife, I can say that I play my 360 MUCH more than the Wii. I still don't play a lot, as you rightly point out time doesn't allow it, but I'd rather play 20-30 mins of Crackdown or a few races of PGR3 than any of the Wii games I have so far. My wife likes the Wii, but that's because she's a Mario fan so she's currently hooked on Super Paper Mario. But I don't think she's even played any of the other games apart from Wii Sports which kept her interested for maybe 30 mins total.

We also play casual games on both platforms, but we both prefer the new games (like Boom Boom Rocket, Cloning Clyde, Zuma, etc) on XBLA much more than the old stuff on VC. I think if Nintendo opened the VC up to non-retro titles (maybe even homebrew as MS are planning to do with XNA) it could be pretty cool. Don't get me wrong, I loved paperboy as a kid, but it doesn't really do anything for me anymore.

So big up to Nintendo for selling all these boxes, I wish them well, but once SPM is done (few days now I'd guess) mine will be back gathering dust.

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873497)

"They want to sell to thirtysomethings (like me) who played NES, SNES, Genesis, Turbografix, etc. back in the day"

Well then theyre failing miserably. Im a thirty-something and i have no desire whatsoever to go out & buy a wii. Furthermore all my friends are thirty-something and ill wager less than half even know what a wii is. In fact, most of the friends i have who are parents, and grew up with the NES & sega expressly forbid their children from having any video games at all.

When i think back over the last 5 years to recall what console games i HAVE played, atari joust is the only thing that springs to mind & we picked that up at a thrift store for $5... i dont think thats the market nintendo should be aiming for.

Re:I'm not buying a WII... (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872889)

And I will be buying a Wii and probably skipping the 360, despite my fondness for Halo, so I cancel you out!

Halo 5 on my Dreamcast (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873201)

but I will buy an xbox 360 once Halo comes out
I've played Halo 2 [wikipedia.org] on my original PlayStation and Halo 5 [wikipedia.org] on my Dreamcast.

On top of its merits... (4, Interesting)

faloi (738831) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872595)

The Wii also has the advantage of being hit with supply problems. Nothing makes the average consumer want something more than knowing they can't have it. It's affordable, has some pretty good games out there at release, and is in short supply. It's a trifecta!

Re:On top of its merits... (1)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872645)

I'm not sure that 6.5 million of anything in five months qualifies it for being in short supply.

Re:On top of its merits... (1)

eht (8912) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872807)

It is when the demand is twice as much, or whatever the number is, which we won't find out until we stop having shortages.

Re:On top of its merits... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18872829)

I'm not sure that 6.5 million of anything in five months qualifies it for being in short supply.
Oxygen molecules?

Re:On top of its merits... (2, Interesting)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872831)

The total numbers don't matter, they're in short supply because demand exceeds supply. Think about this, if every person in the world needed a flu vaccine, but only a billion people have been inoculated, would you still say that this isn't an issue of short supply?

Re:On top of its merits... (3, Insightful)

Mex (191941) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872765)

Anyone who has had a Wii since launch, like I have, is now probably feeling that there's a bit of a "drought" of new games. The most noteworthy release has been "Cooking Mama", which no manly man would admit to owning.

But now it's up to third parties to exploit the console. I personally feel very bored of Zelda and Mario, and I really hope that third parties see the huge potential in this thing and adjust their platform objectives accordingly.

Meaning - bring on the "adult" games, people! It's ridiculous that so far, only EA has released a decent port of an old game (The Godfather).

With development costs at almost one tenth of what it takes to build a PS3 game, and with a huge installed base already(with no end in sight), it's a no-brainer to release as many games as possible on this console.

Re:On top of its merits... (4, Insightful)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873001)

Anyone who has had a Wii since launch, like I have, is now probably feeling that there's a bit of a "drought" of new games. The most noteworthy release has been "Cooking Mama", which no manly man would admit to owning.

But now it's up to third parties to exploit the console. I personally feel very bored of Zelda and Mario, and I really hope that third parties see the huge potential in this thing and adjust their platform objectives accordingly.

Meaning - bring on the "adult" games, people! It's ridiculous that so far, only EA has released a decent port of an old game (The Godfather).

The issue is timing. Publishers want to get out to market fast, with a sizeable 'Mature game' but that takes time.

That's why for now we have to be content with: Godfather, Scarface, & RE4 for now, and RE:UC, No more heroes and Manhunt for later.

Say what you will about the Godfather, but I like it. The motion controls make it better, and it's a good looking game (real good by say X-box standards) and it is a very big game. Vice City wasn't created in a day, and it will take some time for these new original properties to get made for the Wii.

Re:On top of its merits... (1)

Trigun (685027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873167)

There's also a complete other segment that the game developers missed, and that's the rail shooter. Rayman had a small sample of it, and that was arguably the best part of the game. Sega could port house of the dead to the Wii, but probably won't. I've even gone so far as to mail the devs hoping that someone would port a rail shooter, but I've gotten friendly but ambiguous replies.

And sure RE:UC is a rails game, but even still, it is nowhere near the old house of the dead or area 51 genre. Just give us a simple point-and shoot that you can have 2 players on the screen, and a bit of a challenge. Something that you can put in, get blasted, and shoot away.

Re: On rails = win. (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873391)

There's also a complete other segment that the game developers missed, and that's the rail shooter. Rayman had a small sample of it, and that was arguably the best part of the game.

Agreed. As far as the games themselves, I enjoyed the on-rails shooting the best in Rayman. The game was fun, and funny, but I kept going back to that part. I honestly think Red Steel would have worked better as an Arcade Style on rails shooter than a FPS. Had they gone that route instead I'm sure it would have played alot better.

On a side note... Where are the gun games for the VC? Duck Hunt, and Hogan's Alley were rated by the ESRB since January... Where are they at?

Re:On top of its merits... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18872783)

Hahaha... nice (but incorrect) troll...

The PS3 had supply problems "too"... but it was fine because nobody cared... except some rertarded fanboys (and you) ;-)

I don't know about this.. (4, Interesting)

zyl0x (987342) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872655)

Personally, I own both a 360 and a Wii, and while I've had tremendous fun with my Wii - especially over the holidays - I've recently found myself playing my 360 again. The lack of integrated multiplayer as well as the poor selection for Wii titles is making me start to regret my purchase, which is the last thing I want to do. Really, I've enjoy the Wii a lot so far, and I'm excited to see what developers will do to utilize this unique system, but if they don't start coming out with titles that aren't lousy ports from the other systems, I may find myself selling the poor thing. I could probably get double what I paid for it, too.

Re:I don't know about this.. (2, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872697)

If you can get double, then go for it. And when more games that interest you get released, go buy another one.

Re:I don't know about this.. (3, Insightful)

puppetman (131489) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872815)

I watch Metacritic, and the PS3 is showing more highly-rated games than the Wii (lowest score to make the top-20 is 76, and the highest score is 93 - all "green" games). For the Wii, only 11 of the games have gotten a 75 or better - the rest are "so-so-yellow" games.

If I were the developer of a Wii game that I didn't think was that great, I'd be releasing it ASAP rather than improve it to take advantage of the huge number of consoles relative to the meager offering of games - my game would fit right in with alot of the crap that's out there for the Wii.

I don't think the situation will improve - thanks to the success of the Wii, all the big studios have announced ports of their existing games to the Wii, and it's going to make the Wii look bad - watch for some really bad control-schemes for the wireless controller in upcoming games.

All that said, the Wii is the only console that has a chance of making it in the front door of our house. But that's going to wait till I can find one, and there are some decent games.

Re:I don't know about this.. (1, Interesting)

eboot (697478) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873187)

Which only goes to show how fucking stupid the gaming review world is. Games critics have the intelligence of a five year old and their scores directly represent how much money is being stuffed in their pocket.

Re:I don't know about this.. (1)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872869)

I also own both. I don't play much of either. Mostly I played GC games on my Wii.

Although I have to say that Super Paper Mario is a lot of fun. You should try that one out.

Mostly I'm just waiting for Halo 3...

Re:I don't know about this.. (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872963)

Ok, first, right off the top you are posting on slashdot.
Second, first thing you do is self identify as owning 2 next-gen consoles owner.

Do you really think you qualify as the broader casual market the Wii is designed to appeal to?

Hint: Those people haven't cranked through the available library yet. They don't care about 'integrated multiplayer' either.

The issues you have with the Wii, aren't going to impact the broader casual gamer crowd.

And as a 'gamer', sure the Wii library isn't going to fill your days and nights the way an xbox 360 will expecially with its 1 year lead time. But so what? As a gamer, buying multiple consoles is normal. If you enjoyed it a lot so far, then its simply a matter of waiting for them to release the next game before you pick it up again. Multiple console owners often cycle between them. That's sort of the point owning multiple consoles, after all.

As for your comment about fearing its just going to get lousy ports, and collect dust, get real, its Nintendo - first party exclusives are their lifeblood and you know it. Even last generation the Gamecube was worth it as a 2nd console to get access to those first party titles.

Re:I don't know about this.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873005)

The lack of integrated multiplayer...


See, I totally don't get this. Everyone complains about the lack of online multiplayer in Wii games. Why do you want this? I play a game to play a game, to solve the puzzle, to figure it out and enjoy the plot. Like watching a movie, but more interactive. The only thing I've ever seen in online games is shooting the crap out of each other. How is that fun? How is that interesting? How is that a puzzle? Where's the plot? It's mindless repetition. I don't get it. Give me a game like Zelda where there are things to do, puzzles to figure out, that sort of thing.

Compare sports (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873311)

The only thing I've ever seen in online games is shooting the crap out of each other. How is that fun? How is that interesting? How is that a puzzle? Where's the plot? It's mindless repetition. I don't get it.

The only thing I've ever seen in televised sports is shooting the ball into the hoop[1]. How is that fun? How is that interesting? How is that a puzzle? Where's the plot? It's mindless repetition. I don't get it.

[1] "Hoop" can include the fair quadrant of the audience seating (baseball), the goal (hockey or soccer), the perimeter of the end zone (gridiron football), or the other side's half of the court (lawn tennis).

Re:Compare sports (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873567)

Touche. You're right. TV sports are about the equivalent of online gaming. For the record, I rarely watch sports on TV either. What I'm saying is I don't get why people want that. Why are people so hung up on shooting their friends? I don't even like people. I thought that's what it meant to be a nerd. Aren't I supposed to live in my parent's basement and shun the world? So why are all these nerds suddenly hung up on a faceless, contactless social interaction that involves whacking one another? I just don't see how we got here and why it's so important to them. Is it because they're afraid to leave their parent's basement? Is that all it is? "But Mom, I do have friends. See, I just shot one of them in the head. His nickname is asslicker. Isn't that cool?"

If I'm going to sit in my parent's basement, shunning other humans, then I want to truly shun them, not interact with their avatars and their avatar's guns.

Re:I don't know about this.. (1)

gurps_npc (621217) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873203)

The main thing you are complaining about is available games. That was in part caused developers being taken in by the 360 advertisements and not 'getting' the Wii. Now developers have realized their mistake and in less than 3 months there should be as many good new games for the Wii as for the 360 coming out.

Re:I don't know about this.. (1)

eboot (697478) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873237)

Lol did you own a 360 this time last year? Were there any good games at all? Systems don't hit their gaming stride til about a year after release.

Production (2, Interesting)

rlp (11898) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872657)

A few months ago, I would have said the challenge was getting new games for the Wii into the market. We're still in a bit of a drought (depending on your taste in games), but there's a lot in the pipeline. Game makers are switching over to support the Wii given it's new found popularity and growing market share.

Nintendo's challenge will be to produce enough units to meet demand without sacrificing quality. They were clearly surprised by the demand, and have been slowly ramping up production. They are at a production volume of 1 million a month, and ramping to 1.5 million / month.

Wiiiii (3, Interesting)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872663)

Their sales strategy is working in spades. At least one analyst thinks that Wii demand won't be met until 2009.

And that analyst should be fired. I think it is much more likely that the Wii will be able to catch up to demand in 3 to 4 months. Right now there are 1000s of Wii consoles up on Ebay. So I feel some of the demand is a bit artificial due to people trying to make a quick buck.

What I find interesting is that the PS2 is outselling the Wii (of course, we don't know if the Wii would outsell the PS2 if it could increase its supply enough..it probably would). I mean, it makes sense because it has the largest library and still has great games coming out for it...but still...I don't remember this happening in the previous previous generation.

Re:Wiiiii (3, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872759)

Right now there are 1000s of Wii consoles up on Ebay.

Of course there are 1000's of Wii's on ebay. They're there because they are selling.

And because they are selling they don't represent artificial demand. If anything they show there is still significant demand for it above retail price, while accepting ebay hassles and risks. In other words, we haven't even begun to see what sort of demand there will be for the wii from *impulse buyers*.

Most of the Wii's are still being snapped up by pent up demand, by people actively looking for them. They simply aren't on shelves long enough for someone to stroll up and buy one on impulse.

Re:Wiiiii (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872835)

In the previous generation, the "old" popular console with a huge library was the PS1, and the new consoles debuted at a "mere" $300. (Or was it $350? I can't even remember for sure now. But it was a lot less than $600...) That kind of price for a machine that's "just for games for the kids" is a lot easier to swallow than $600.

Re:Wiiiii (3, Interesting)

NekoXP (67564) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873037)

They push out about a million units a month from the factory, so I doubt "1000s" of units on eBay (which really is is the low thousands) is actually consumer demand.

The PS2 thing is odd; but it may be that buying a PS2 is simply a cheaper option than the PS3 - a lot of the high-profile games I see advertised on TV right now, and sponsoring TV shows, are Playstation 2 games. There's no need for a PS3 unless you want the great HD experience nobody sees the need for yet.

You DID see it in the previous generation though. Right after the Playstation 2 came out, Sony created the PSOne - a curvy, white version of the Playstation original console, with a Dual Shock pad in it. It sold like hotcakes in the face of the hundreds-of-dollars-more Playstation 2, and with 90% of the new games still being Playstation 1 games at the time. Demand did outstrip supply for a couple of weeks.. this was with me working at a games store in my youth. It got annoying for people to ask for a PSOne, because then it was our job to try and sell them a PS2.. a little difficult to get them to justify tripling their outlay just to play some games (people did though :)

You've seen it in handhelds too; the Gameboy Advance SP sold a lot of units, and when people couldn't get the fliptop model with the integrated battery and the brighter, better screen.. they just went and bought the still readily available and still in-production original Gameboy Advance. I believe they did bring out a new colour of the original Gameboy Advance, before they killed it off in favor of the SP.

And they're still selling the SP even though the DS is the hotcake, and even though it is not intended as a console replacement..

Re:Wiiiii (1)

eboot (697478) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873283)

DS is still outselling PS2 though, and they are going after similar purchasers ('impulse buys'). Wii is still a little expensive for that but it is definately in the right lines...

Re:Wiiiii (1)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873355)

Well apparently there is some flaw in your thinking because they go out of every store near me -5 minutes before store opening (They give out tickets).

Maybe Grandma is wary of E-bay, or maybe the prices are too high for a used console.

I think the market for toothbrushes on ebay might be stagnant regardless of market demand.

Re:Wiiiii (1)

DohnJoe (900898) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873625)

Right now there are 1000s of Wii consoles up on Ebay. So I feel some of the demand is a bit artificial due to people trying to make a quick buck.
If people are able to make money selling Wii's on EBay then I'd say demand is still very high....

Because Nintendo and Microsoft work together (5, Insightful)

sexyrexy (793497) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872683)

The Wii is not a threat to the 360 because the only market segment that overlaps between the two is also the market segment that would not think twice at buying both. Nintendo and Microsoft strategically position their products to harm Sony, which tries to have (almost) as broad an appeal as the Wii and fails largely because of the price point, and tries to be as hardcore as the 360 and fails largely because of the lack of games. Both companies working together strengthens both their positions and damages their mutual competitor.

Re:Because Nintendo and Microsoft work together (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873117)

That's a pretty retarded point of view. Sony competes with Microsoft, and neither compete (or work with) Nintendo at all. Buying the Nintendo system will not prevent anyone who wants a real next gen system from buying one. For those people, Wii will always be the "second system". It might sell the most units, but it's not even in the fight.

Re:Because Nintendo and Microsoft work together (2, Insightful)

Salamande (461392) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873279)

It's kind of funny...if you listen to Major Nelson's podcasts, he often talks about the Wii and DS games he's playing along with his 360 games. He never really mentions his PS3 playing habits, though...

Interesting (5, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872707)

This reminds me of how Palm succeeded where Newton failed. I liked the Newton, but Newton design was driven by a futuristic vision. Palm design was built around simple practical aspects of the user's experience, such as the utility of carrying the device around in a shirt pocket comfortably.

You'd think human centered product design would be a no-brainer, but clearly its harder to do than it sounds. It isn't just getting the details right, its being bold in choosing not to do things. Making shrewd decisions not to do things conventionally thought necesssary characterize the breakthrough designs of the Wii and Palm.

I think the reason that we see so few excellent product designs is that its hard to let go of preconceptions. So much of business runs on swagger.

Re:Interesting (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873093)

Honestly, I think so much of what you're talking about is a result of marketing. To develop the Wii, Nintendo had to ignore a lot of what was generally considered to be a marketable next-gen console. The whole concept behind the Wii can sort of be explained, but it doesn't really click until you try it. That goes pretty strongly against the grain of existing game advertising and media, which is generally based on screenshots, and often a lot of buzzwords about renderings and physics.

Regular marketing won't work for the Wii. There are still plenty of people out there who write it off based on its graphics. Screenshots won't move consoles. As the article noted, the two smartest moves that they made in promoting the Wii was including Wii Sports with the console, and experimenting first with the DS. The success of the DS gave the Wii some credibility right from the beginning, and Wii Sports offers a totally new and very entertaining experience right out of the box.

I'm glad that Nintendo is having success result from the risks that they took. They took to heart the realization that there are bunch of people out there for who the best gaming solution was something other than just cramming as much hardware as is possible into a plastic box.

Wiimote (0, Offtopic)

zzo38 (1092117) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872739)

Well, I still think there are many problems with Nintendo Wii, but still I would like to use the Wiimote on my computer (if I could get the bluetooth to work on my computer!)

Re:Wiimote (1)

zzo38 (1092117) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872813)

I also think just because of all of that problems doesn't mean it is bad! Wii is still OK! But, still there is problems with it.

why the wii wins? (2, Insightful)

butterflysrage (1066514) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872751)

simple, fun games. The biggest names for the PS3 still arnt out, and people wont buy a consol on the expectaion of getting something worth playing later. The 360, while it does have some great games, is a bit of a one trick pony... playing to the hardcore, collage aged gamer with tones of time to play.

fun, quick games, reasonable price point, and finally doing something NEW has put the Wii on top.

But is it creaming were it counts? (1, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872779)

Console sales are all very nice and all BUT what counts is the sale of software for that console.

I personally think that it says an awfull lot about the game industry that the top scorer for march was God of War 2 for the PS2.

What then does this tell us? That an ancient console beats EVERY SINGLE current console, handheld and regular, in sales?

Oh and number 2 and 3 in software sales (console) went to the 360.

So where is the success of the Wii?

Granted the Wii ain't subsidised, so Nintendo doesn't need to sell X titles per console just to get their money back but still, if the Wii ends up un-used then Nintendo could still end up with a loser. Lots of hardware sales but no software sales.

In a way, its success could even make this more likely. Exactly how many of the games now being rushed to the Wii are going to be piss poor cynical cash-ins? Genuine Wii games will take time to emerge but if Nintendo can't proof it can get games sold they won't be developed especially if the cheap quickie attempts die the death they deserve.

None of this means that the Wii is going to fail, just that pure console sale figures so far don't mean much.

The only one who should really worry at the moment is Sony, the PS3 isn't scoring with the either hardware or software sales. Pity I suppose but with the PS2 still doing well, perhaps they can afford the wait.

Re:But is it creaming were it counts? (1)

chromatic (9471) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872873)

I personally think that it says an awfull lot about the game industry that the top scorer for march was God of War 2 for the PS2.

Perhaps, for example, there are more PS2s in the world than current consoles.

Nintendo is breaking another rule... (3, Insightful)

patio11 (857072) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872885)

... the rule that says all games have to be big budget extravaganzas which fail if they're not mega-blockbusters. Take a look at Wii Sports, Hazimete no Wii (sorry, don't know what the English version was called), or even the Wario game. These are not games with $20 million development budgets which have to sell hundreds of thousands of copies just to break even. Thus, they don't have to get bought by EVERYONE who owns the console -- even a slice of a slice of the gaming pie works for them. And if you look at the games-per-Wii attach rate rather than the sales-per-megahit rate, Wii is kicking some serious booty (probably has something to do with the fact that Wii + half dozen games is still cheaper than some of the other options). If there are five fun party games and everybody buys one to three, then each game individually sells a heck of a lot less than a system-making killer app like FFVII or Halo, but Nintendo still laughs their way to the bank.

Re:Nintendo is breaking another rule... (2, Informative)

gzerphey (1006177) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873393)

BTW... the English title you are looking for is "Wii Play"

Re:But is it creaming were it counts? (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872937)

Remember previous transitions? PS/Saturn/N64 to the next generation? Genesis/Super Nintendo to PS/Saturn/N64? NES/Master System to Genesis/Super NES? Same story. Old successful consoles continue to have games that outsell the newcomers for about a year at least occasionally. I didn't think though that God of War 2 was going to be such a blockbuster... I guess that's a testament to how popular the PS2 and God of War are, and how few blockbuster games there are for the new generation.

Re: But is it creaming were it counts? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873055)

I didn't think though that God of War 2 was going to be such a blockbuster... I guess that's a testament to how popular the PS2 and God of War

What was it's competition though? No denying it would have sold plenty anyway, but even if you owned every console what games were competing with it? If they were released against a top tier title then you would have seen a very different picture.

Re:But is it creaming were it counts? (0, Troll)

eboot (697478) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873339)

Guys don't bother with this troll, he clearly doesn't realize that a long awaited game on a console with a truly massive attachment rate is going to sell better than games on system that hasn't even sold 10 million consoles yet. In fact I'd go as far as to say he is a retarded Wii hater who is feels deservedly insecure about buying his PS3.

Re:But is it creaming were it counts? (1)

Frenchy_2001 (659163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873641)

I personally think that it says an awfull lot about the game industry that the top scorer for march was God of War 2 for the PS2.

Yes, it says there are about twice the amount of PS2 in the world as the total of ALL next gen systems. Somehow, those customers and those consoles did not vanish overnight when the next gen appeared and as such the people are still buying games for it, especially such a hit as God of War 2. This is the critically acclaimed sequel to a critically acclaimed game. The first one sold millions, the 2nd is seen as at least as good as the first, so why shouldn't it sell millions too, especially with the brand impact they have now? So, nothing particularly surprising to me... Their market is several times bigger and it is a genuine great game, best in class. Of course it will top the charts...

Granted the Wii ain't subsidised, so Nintendo doesn't need to sell X titles per console just to get their money back but still, if the Wii ends up un-used then Nintendo could still end up with a loser. Lots of hardware sales but no software sales.

Loser in what? Xbox was seen as a "winner" last gen, but so far, Ms has LOST 5 BILLIONS $$ to push their gaming division. From a finacial point of view, THIS is a loss. In fact, MS just bought market share. Nintendo has always been profitable, even through the N64 or gamecube years. The wii will continue the tradition. They are making money with the hardware already, so all game sold will be gravy. Especially if the top titles are first party.

Their goal is to increase the market compared to last generations, by targeting new demographics. Sony has proven there are already more than 70 millions of gamers. The wii aims at beating that score. If they can get the largest market, most correct games will sell well, even if each wii owner has less games. This is just statistics...

software sales? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18872849)

I'm curious about the Wii's software sales. Every non-gamer I know has 2-3 games...

1. Wii Sports
2. Wii Play
3. MAYBE one other game (usually Trauma Center)

The only reason they get Wii Play is it comes with the controller and you need to have at least 2 controllers for the Wii.

I also don't know any one that's bought more than 2 controllers.

So far the 360 seems to have great software sales - with a high number of games sold for every console out there.

The PS3 can't seem to sell consoles or software - but that's mostly because they have no real killer games out there driving sales for the system.

It'll be interesting in a year when the Wii has been out there and the non gamers either continue to play or get sick of Wii Sports/Wii Play and get rid of their Wii or if they'll actually end up buying more games and keeping their consoles. The 360 should continue with a step ahead in the number of 'great' games for a while, and once the PS3 starts getting more killer gamers, it'll be interesting if those sales go up or stay stale and behind that of the 360.

Wii weeing? (-1, Redundant)

Alioth (221270) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872909)

Shouldn't the headline read the "Wii is weeing on the competition?"

I still can't help thinking of the machine as the Nintendo Piss.

Re:Wii weeing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873181)

I still can't help thinking of the machine as the Nintendo Piss.

Don't worry, when you get older you'll find that urge subsides.

Wii Bukkake? (1, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873619)

"Cream" is a vernacular term for semen, which comes out of the same male human body part as wee.

Duh (-1, Redundant)

CptPicard (680154) | more than 7 years ago | (#18872971)

Bukkake is, after all, originally a Japanese "sport" so it's no wonder they'd use their Wii for "creaming"...

Re:Duh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873057)

Bukkake is cool. I wish it'd catch on in popularity here in the US too. They could even have a reality TV show about it.

Re:Duh (1)

CptPicard (680154) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873631)

The name could be "American Creaming" or somesuch.

Man, am I in a mood for juvenile bad humour today. And not even doing it AC.

It doesn't help Wii sales... (2, Insightful)

solar_blitz (1088029) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873015)

...that most of the Wii's killer apps have been slated for a second half 2007 release or later. That includes Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl, among other titles. Also, don't forget that Virtual Console games don't make it into the top ten chart but make up a good amount of sales for Nintendo, and that keeps users happy when a drought in genuine Wii titles occurs. As for the PS2's game earning the number 1 spot on the top ten list, it's more of a coincidence because development on it started before PS3 dev kits could be properly research and implemented, and yet its released after the PS3 hits the streets. Don't worry, this kind of thing won't be happening too often. It would've been the same situation with Final Fantasy XII if the PS3 and Wii were released in October.

Re:It doesn't help Wii sales... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873623)

Interesting enough all those killer apps are geared towards gamers...

I can't see these senior citizens / non-gamers getting into Metroid or Smash Bros or an even slightly difficult Super Mario Galaxy. I know a lot of women that played SMB way back on the NES and they've never played any other since they became more and more difficult to play. Once they jump into 3d space, a lot of people also have a real hard time getting around / figuring out what's going on.

Nintendo did just about everything right. (1)

Rev Jim (AKA Metal F (1004571) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873017)

For the short time anyways, but then that is at least half the war this generation around. The other half will be to continue to provide great content to keep up with the superior horsepower of its two competitors a year or two down the road. They've got a good start as developers like EA are shifting more resources to develop games for it and everyone inside and out of the industry is taking note. Wherever we see cross platform games, the wii is going to suffer among those gamers that are gamers and own multiple systems. But like the article says, the wii is marketed to those people that aren't necessarily gamers or don't care about the best graphics or hottest games. Very smart decision from the getgo by Nintendo, they took risks and the rewards are now plain to see and Sony has had the rug pulled out from under them. I t will be interesting to see thing as they are towards the end of '07. But for now, Nintendo and their wii console are the golden boy,...again.

Re:Nintendo did just about everything right. (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873183)

They're bumbling with virtual console to be honest. There are thousands of games for the systems they have, yet they're releasing a paltry 3 a week, give or take. A couple weeks ago, they released 1 and it scored a 3.8 out of 10 on reviews. Wow. They need to step it up and encourage others like Sega to do the same. There are too many games out there that people want to wait and hope to get them at 3 a week.

How Ironic (-1, Troll)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873071)

I'm creaming for a Wii.

Wii Rox! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873111)

I love it when my wii wii creams!

Why PlayStation2 will fail (0, Offtopic)

cxreg (44671) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873159)

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/ message?board.id=psx2&thread.id=656 [playstation.com]

Sony did many things wrong with the PS2, there's no way it will be #1... it'll probably be #2 or even #3. The reason the PSX is so cool and successful is that it appeals to EVERYONE, not just a select crowd of people. PlayStation2 will be stuck in the middle between Dreamcast and Dolphin... the only thing that it won't have between DC and Dolphin is the price... PS2 will be the most expensive of the three.

Re:Why PlayStation2 will fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873243)

What's your point? Someone made a poor prediction about the PS2. Who cares?

Re:Why PlayStation2 will fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873277)

Great quote. Out of the three consoles, the PS3 has the most staying power by far. Sony's execs don't require sales this year, they want them next year, and the year after that, and the year after that when the game makers can start squeezing the real power out of the cell architecture. When that happens, expect the PS3 to pull ahead and remain there.

However, the Wii will achieve much more success than the gamecube and will occupy a niche in the market nearly as large as the PS3.

Disclaimer: I'm no Sony fanboy, I just think that straight analysis of facts leads to this conclusion.

Re:Why PlayStation2 will fail (1)

eboot (697478) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873503)

Developers follow sales, if there are no sales of PS3 then no one will develop for it, therefore no games. Sony doesn't have strong enough first party to just carry on the sales. So no games, no sales and tough competition. How is the PS3 gonna win this one?

Re:Why PlayStation2 will fail (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873551)

From the competition standpoint... let's all not forget that the Sega Dreamcast was killed shortly after the PS2 came out, then it wasn't until almost a year later when new competition finally hit the market. Not to mention the relative worth of DVD capabilities vs. Blu-Ray. All the PS2 had to do was be in the right place at the right time, which it was. With real competition and a movie format that hasn't even established itself as the official successor to the DVD, the PS3 doesn't have the same luxuries the PS2 did.

Nintendo's unique sales strategy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18873299)

Nintendo has an unusual sales strategy with the Wii. They put together a system and games that lots of people want to play, they price it within reach of the bulk of the market, and they make a profit on every unit sold (consoles as well as games). They have a similar strategy with the DS. This stands in sharp contrast to the industry standard of selling high priced consoles at a loss to a small segment of the gamer market and attempting to make up the difference through game sales and production cost reductions.

Shockingly, Nintendo is making money hand over fist while the gaming divisions of Microsoft and Sony are still looking at several years of losses before they reach profitability with the newest generation of gaming systems.

The "Why" is very easy... (1)

Rooked_One (591287) | more than 7 years ago | (#18873397)

people like new things... and since the other "new things" require other "new things" (ie - HDTV's), and with the wii being quite a bit cheaper, it makes sense. Nintendo strikes gold again.
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