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Blu-Ray Drive For Apple Notebooks

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the but-not-from-Apple dept.

Portables (Apple) 148

Sean Jackson writes "Fastmac has beaten Apple to the Blu-Ray punch and has a new slimline Blu-Ray drive that works in PowerBooks, iBooks, Mac Minis, the MacBook Pro 17", and a few other systems. It's pricey ($800), but you have to admit that burning 45 GB is pretty sweet. Here are technical specs. Fastmac says that playing Blu-Ray movies isn't currently supported since there is no software player. However, several solutions are in the works and there is always a chance OS X 10.5 will support playing movies. Perhaps this means that Apple isn't far behind and will be offering Blu-Ray with the next MacBook and MacBook Pro revisions."

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perhaps (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18885133)

However, several solutions are in the works and there is always a chance OS X 10.5 will support playing movies. Perhaps this means that Apple isn't far behind and will be offering Blu-Ray with the next MacBook and MacBook Pro revisions.

Perhaps, but it's purely speculation. There's a chance that OS X 10.5 will also come with a full installation of Windows Vista included in the box. Perhaps this means that Apple is planning on buying Microsoft.

See the problem with drawing conclusions from items that are pure speculation to begin with?

Not a troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18885243)

I'm not the parent poster (no really, I'm not) but it seems obvious to me that the mods (or mod) didn't get what the pp was saying. The article submitter makes a silly assumption based on an assumption and the poster merely points that out (10.5 MIGHT support playing the movies THEREFORE Apple MIGHT be offering BR drives).

Not all assumptions are equal (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18885907)

Blu-ray support in Mac is a reasonable assumption. Apple buying Microsoft is not. What's the difference? The probability of it happening. You or a 5 year-old may think that probability can be reduced to "yes", "no" and "maybe", but actually it is a whole continuum of values between 0 and 1.

Re:Not a troll (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887259)

Well, I've read reports that the Leopard builds do support the version of UDF necessary to read HD-DVD and Blu-Ray disks. Under Tiger you need something like ReadDVD! [softarch.com] . (I'm currently looking for reviews of that software with an eye toward using it with the XBOX 360 HD-DVD drive.)

DVD Studio Pro lets you build HD-DVDs, but at present burning them only to DVD recordable media in a readable file system, or to a directory on a hard drive. Apple's DVD Player will play them or play from a readable directory. I'm going to try that out this weekend.

Re:perhaps (1)

LEgregius (550408) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887371)

According to comments posted by users of 10.5, there is already some software support for blu-ray discs.

I can't find the link in a cursory glance, but ThinkSecret also published some "rumors" about this.

So it's not purely speculation. It still may not happen, though.

Well, it seems that... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18885179)

Well, it seems that nobody cares!

Multi-boot? (2, Funny)

iainl (136759) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885189)

If the only problem is lack of software, does it work if you boot into Windows, I wonder?

Although, since all my HD movies are in the other format, it's kind of moot anyway. Mind you, some would say that about my not owning a MacBook, too.

Wow.. (4, Funny)

Mockylock (1087585) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885205)

Incredible. NOW the overpriced Blu-Ray drive is available in BOTH of your massive-selling flavors! MAC and PS3!

Re:Wow.. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18885293)

1x...not very fast is it.

Re:Wow.. (3, Informative)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885415)

It's available for the PC too...

But nobody cares (can't say I blame them, I sure don't).

Re:Wow.. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18885439)

That's not all! Act now, and for the low low price of only $799, you can burn movies on your Mac and then not watch them! You don't want to miss this incredible offer*!

*: Offer may not be incredible.

Re:Wow.. (1)

nSpace (181520) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887091)

I remember when CD burners were around $1000. New tech is always expensive.

Dell already offers them... (4, Informative)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885213)

Dell offers BluRay in their XPS and has done so for quite a while...

Re:Dell already offers them... (1)

AikonMGB (1013995) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885467)

I'm pretty sure the point of the article was that this is a Blu-Ray drive for Macs, not PCs. We know there are PC drives already.

Could be wrong though O_o

Aikon-

Re:Dell already offers them... (1, Flamebait)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886901)

True, but every time something appears on Macs before PC's, the Mac fanbois all come running out to make sure everyone knows that Apple did it first.

Personally I want to see Blu Ray everywhere, but that's just my preference and has been since before it started to look like Blu Ray was winning the format war. The jury is still out but it looks like that trend will continue, especially with the PS/3 picking up some steam and now this development.

Re:Dell already offers them... (1, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887421)

In this case all the fanboi's are pretty much in agreement with the fact Apple SHOULD NOT be putting Blu-ray in their machines.

We might hate Microsoft, but we hate Sony more.

Re:Dell already offers them... (1)

AikonMGB (1013995) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887567)

In this case, Apple didn't even do it second; FastMac beat them to it. While this article is still pro-Mac, its more of an Apple bashing than praising.

Aikon-

Re:Dell already offers them... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18886585)

And Apple offers FireWire and USB 2.0 on all their current computers. This means you can back up 500 GB for the price of a 500 GB hard drive and a hard drive to USB 2.0 or FireWire adapter. The good price on a 500 GB drive is under $250 and an adapter is from $15 (economy) to $100 (luxury). For half the price of a device that replaces my internal optical drive (which already does a better job burning CD's and DVD's that this over-priced replacement), I can make multiple copies of everything on my Mac laptop's internal hard drive. Thanks Blue-Ray consortium, but I ain't buying.

Re:Dell already offers them... (1)

bkr1_2k (237627) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886701)

Yes you can back up all your stuff, but you can't play it anywhere else. This drive isn't about how much data you can store... it's about how much medie you can store and use. There's a difference.

Re:Dell already offers them... (1)

bkr1_2k (237627) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886755)

Damnit. My tag was wrong...

That should say:

"Yes you can back up all your stuff, but you can't play it anywhere else. This drive isn't about how much data you can store... it's about how much media you can store and use. There's a difference.

Re:Dell already offers them... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18888009)

Actually, they are the 1st to offer laptop drives in Blu-ray for ANY platform. I went to New Egg and didn't see any laptop Blu-ray drives, just desktop ones and this company beats their price too, because they have the same drive for less than $500!!

Meh (0, Troll)

giorgiofr (887762) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885227)

What the heck would you use this for? I doubt you're going to burn 45Gb while on the move, and for backup purposes HDs are way cheaper. Of course you need to rotate them, but then again I wouldn't expect a consumer-grade BR-W (sp?) to last longer than a couple of years.

Re:Meh (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885251)

Harddrives are notoriously prone to failure. Plus, you can't stash four or five in a briefcase or the average laptop bag... Grabbin g the data off the disks would be a tedious process of unhooking and rehooking up an external drive. Even with the ATA overhead, the bluray drive might be faster.

Re:Meh (1)

SerpentMage (13390) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885333)

Of course you can stash four or five... Let's see one DVD is 45 Gigs? I have two 2.5 Hard disks which is about the size of four or five CD's, and that stores at least 320 Gigs. With five BluRay I have 225 Gigs... Considering that 2.5 drives will cost you less than 200 USD I think hard disks are the better buy....

Regarding failure... Not true. I know for the past five years all I do is buy two drives per year, and copy the old information to the new drives. Beats any other backup system on price, performance, portability.

Re:Meh (5, Informative)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885977)

To put facts with your point:

Cheapest Blu-Ray burner: $529 + 1 25GB DVD (requires a decently powerful video card???)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8 2E16827106037 [newegg.com]

Cheapest per-GB BD Disks: $32.99 (150GB total ~$0.22/GB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8 2E16817131063 [newegg.com]

Blue ray in it's /best/ light financially...

HDs in better light
HDDs:
750GB: $254.99 ($0.33/GB, 15 BD's worth of data)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8 2E16822148134 [newegg.com]
500GB: $129.99 (26/GB, 10 BD's worth of data)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8 2E16822136073 [newegg.com]

OK, ignoring the cost of the BD drive, which we'll assume you only need to buy once, per-GB the BD is cheaper. However, assuming you don't use unlimited BDs, then you you are cost effective with BDs, only if you have to have simultaneous backup of up to X GB:
529 + .22x = .26x -> 529 = .04x -> 13,225 = x

So, you must need at least 13TB of backup at any given time for BD to be more effective in terms of cost. (NOTE: if you do a rolling backup, you'll never reach this, and unless the BDs are -RW, they'll probably not be cost-effective)

And I'm petty sure 10 optical disks are about the same size standard HD or larger. With a good/small enclosure, you'll still have less space than 15BDs, and you only need one enclusre, just swap the drives. Heck you can get a dongle type setup that doesn't even require the enclosure.

So, HDs have space /and/ cost advantages in several (but not all) situations).

Re:Meh (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886671)

But which standard has the most pr0n available for it?

Re:Meh (1)

catxk (1086945) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887343)

Why, the Internet (HDD) or BD?

Re:Meh (1)

Fifty Points (878668) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886753)

You can use HTML in these posts, you know, instead of putting /slashes/ you can actually italicize things.

Re:Meh (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887377)

Don't you have to add the cost of the hard drive in there somewhere?

Re:Meh (1)

Retric (704075) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886035)

Umm, you can fit Blue-Ray disks in a case the size of 2 HDD. That's ~1125Gigs. But HDD tend to die a lot easer than disks. And you don't need external power to access them. After all the point of a laptop is portability vs. showing up with 2 external drives that need power.

PS: They are Blue-Ray disks not DVD's.

Re:Meh (1)

toleraen (831634) | more than 6 years ago | (#18888221)

PS. They are Blu-Ray disks not Blue-Ray disks.

Re:Meh (1)

Zonk (troll) (1026140) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885595)

Harddrives are notoriously prone to failure.
And cds/dvds are notoriously prone to scratches.

My external hard drive (120gb) has been good for well over two years now. Plus, I've dropped the thing several times. I never had a cd-rw work for more than a few weeks or a dvd-rw for a few days due to scratches.

Plus, you can't stash four or five in a briefcase or the average laptop bag
It's fairly easy to stash a 200gb external in a bag.

Re:Meh (1)

Danga (307709) | more than 6 years ago | (#18888019)

And cds/dvds are notoriously prone to scratches.

My external hard drive (120gb) has been good for well over two years now. Plus, I've dropped the thing several times. I never had a cd-rw work for more than a few weeks or a dvd-rw for a few days due to scratches.


Well I have had 2 external HD's fail in the last 3 years and zero of my DVD's fail. It's all anecdotal evidence.

Most likely the reason your discs started to fail was either you were not taking care of them AT ALL (since they failed so quickly), they were just low quality media, and/or your drive was crap. I work in the computer forensic field specializing in optical media and I have worked with quite a few drives and a whole lot of media so I have pretty good insight into this. I mean good God man what were you doing to this media to have it fail so quickly? I wouldn't trust RW media with the sole copy of any data but I have used CD-RW, DVD+RW, and DVD-RW discs for years to shuffle data between different computers without much trouble. Just keep them in a case when they are not in use and out of extreme temperatures and sunlight and your discs should last a long time. Write once media is even more bullet proof as long as it is cared for and of good quality.

Hard drives and discs both have their pros and cons but I think because of how easy it is to transport discs compared to HD's as well as the costs involved that discs will be around for quite some more time. The best example I can think of off the top of my head is if you had a bunch of high definition video you wanted to send to your friend/relative who didn't have broadband and they lived far away from you would you rather mail them a couple of discs or a few hard drives?

Re:Meh (1, Redundant)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885943)

I doubt you're going to burn 45Gb while on the move

I burn forty-five gigabits all the time.

Maybe what you meant to say is 45GB.

Look on the bright side, you were off by less than an order of magnitude... though not by much.

Yeah, ABUSE that moderation! (-1, Flamebait)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887759)

Can someone please explain to me how this comment is a troll? Followup, can someone please explain to me why the slashdot "editors" think that the moderation system is working? Right now I have 40% Troll 30% Overrated 30% Underrated. Of course, using the "overrated" moderation is also an abuse in this case, but more cowardly because it will not go to metamoderation (where the troll mods will likely be voted against.)

Once upon a time, LONG long ago, people used to lose moderator status when they abused moderation. These days, it doesn't look like anything is being done. Do the people running slashdot (into the ground, mostly) just not care, or did they give up?

Re:Yeah, ABUSE that moderation! (0, Offtopic)

toleraen (831634) | more than 6 years ago | (#18888383)

You're right, it shouldn't be modified to 'troll'. It should be flamebait, as per the FAQ. [slashdot.org] Your second post should be the one modified as "troll". You're right, the mods really need to read up the rules before modding you down. Trust me when I say that in the future, I will make sure to mod you down using the correct moderation. Hopefully, using the link to the FAQ in this post as guidance, other moderators will mod you down appropriately as well.

Re:Meh (1)

howlingmadhowie (943150) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886047)

oh it's even worse than that. who needed to burn 4GB of data before dvd-films were being ripped? i bet, amongst the kiddies, 80 percent of content on DVD-Rs is films and other media (illegally) ripped for giving to their friends. of course, most kiddies nowadays have 120GB external usb harddrives.

so this leaves the question, how are the kiddies going to get 45GB together to put on a blu-ray disk? you have three guesses... (hint, the answer's in the question)

Re:Meh (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887017)

Are you saying we should stop now, and not try to make high capacity formats because some random subset of people you don't actually know ("kiddies"), have no use for the disc but pirating movies?

So if i want to use Blu-ray disks to store clean installation disk images for the 15 servers and machines i routinely manage, Am I pirating movies to hand out?

Are you then also saying that any large cache of media in digital format, must be illegal?

I have digital h.264 copies of a good portion of the 240dvds I bought and paid for, so if I want to put those copies on a more reliable format for archival in case the original discs corrode (They do, and they have), should I just stop trying?

SuperDrive (3, Interesting)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885233)

I would be more interested in a SuperDrive that supports both HDDVD and BR

RealSuperDrive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18885745)

How about a "SuperDrive" that doesn't support movies? Take away all the DRM-crap so it can't play them, make it cheap and I can use it for war^H^H^Hbackups.

Live Leopard (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885841)

I would be more interested in a SuperDrive that supports both HDDVD and BR

And I'd be more interested if OS 10.5 came with a real, live, spotted leopard in the box, but I guess we're both just going to have to learn to live with disappointment, won't we?

Re:Live Leopard (1)

damocles77 (1072860) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887113)

Re:Live Leopard (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887417)

Why is that so hard to imagine [engadget.com] ?

can read both blue-laser formats, but only writes to Blu-ray or standard DVDs and CDs.
I can see Apple going for Blu-Ray burners due to the lack of HD-DVD burner availability, but I also remember that Apple used to ship Macs with DVD-RAM drives.

It would be nice to have Blu-Ray support in DVD Studio Pro, but just don't drop the HD-DVD support.

per dollar (5, Insightful)

cinnamon colbert (732724) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885245)

you can buy external hardrives at about 30 cents a gig, on special, so 800 bucks is ~~ 2400 gig of hardrive, or about 53 bluray disks, assuming you can efficiently fill the disks at 45 gig each, neglecting the cost of the disk..

as usual, for early adopters YMWV (your mileage Will vary)

Re:per dollar (1)

mfh (56) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885813)

You know, I think that gross margin is really GROSS. Can you believe how much money they are charging for these burners? What a waste. Although they do have to recover some of the costs, but they are pricing themselves out of the market.

Hold out till the price comes down. You don't need 45gigs toss away storage... which is what these are, really. Just get external hard drives and keep swapping, or use Nero Ultimate Enhanced [nero.com] for the DVD set options and encrypted backups. What a great product that is! ZOMG

Re:per dollar (1)

alisson (1040324) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886785)

Well, the discs add up to a lot more than the player. With the cost of the discs (about $30 each for dual layer,) the equation would be something like this:

X = n/50*30+800 = .3n

Where n is storage, in Gb, and X is dollars. But of course, x occurs at a negative; about $-800, or n=2,666

So assuming the best, blu-ray is still never as efficient as external hard drives.

Re:per dollar (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887809)

Hard drives are fine for near-line backups, but they aren't very good for archival use. I expect the cost of drives and media to go down quicker than the cost of hard drives goes down. DVDs are something like a tenth the cost per GB, but the media trading does get to be tedious.

Re:per dollar (1)

Lally Singh (3427) | more than 6 years ago | (#18888337)

Of course for backup reasons that point's moot -- multiple blu-ray discs have a much lower probability of all failing than a single 2.4 TB drive.

Never Rush the Market (1)

mfh (56) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885255)

It's a bad idea to rush into selling something that isn't ready. There is no PLAYER! Although this is a real juicy project for an OSS lover............ :-)

Re:Never Rush the Market (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 6 years ago | (#18888369)

Although this is a real juicy project for an OSS lover............ :-)

No it's not. A Free Software author will never be able to write a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player legally (at least not in the United States).

New SuperDrive (2, Insightful)

The_Abortionist (930834) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885257)

For years, Mac buyers were troubled with a terrible choice:

-Get the base Mac with a CD reader; or
-Pay $200 more for the superdrive.

Often, the so called superdrive was behind the technology curve compared to a $50 PC equivalent.

I noticed that Apple did away with the Superdrive for a little while since it became too pathetic a choice, even for its dedicated customers. It seems that the Blu-Ray drive is giving Apple another chance at screwing its customers by charging 1-2 thousand dollars extra for something that will likely become standard for PC's within the next year.

HDCP and DVI (1)

emj (15659) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885363)

So I guess I won't beable to watch any movies with my brand new non-HDCP compatible 23" DVI monitor.

FUD (2, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886009)

1) ICT (Image Constraint Token) will make the movie play at half resolution
2) Hollywood has agreed to not use ICT before 2012 at earliest if at all
3) ICT is per disc, so none of your current discs will be degraded in the future

Running around like chicken little saying the sky is falling, will have none if not the opposite effect. All you'll do is make normal people try it, see that you're wrong and think you're some sort of wierdo conspiracy crackpot. HDCP won't affect many, most won't notice it and for the technically savvy there'll probably be workarounds. That is if it's even relevant anymore since if AACS is broken.

* Note: AACS can't technically be broken as such, but if broad classes of devices are compromised to the point where the public backclash would be too great to revoke the key, it's de facto broken permanently.

NotFUD (2, Insightful)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887319)

2) Hollywood has agreed to not use ICT before 2012 at earliest if at all


Hollywood also empahtically stated they would not abuse the DMCA. Congress believed them and now consumer rights and computer/electronic producer rights have been reduced to loose poo on a stick.

GP's claim is not fud.

Re:FUD (2, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 6 years ago | (#18888415)

2) Hollywood has agreed to not use ICT before 2012 at earliest if at all

Right, they're waiting for more sheeple to buy into their shit before tightening the noose. And yet you're somehow trying to spin that as a good thing?!! FUD, indeed!

Awesome (1, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885369)

This is the first step to pirati^H^H^H legitimately downloading PS3 games because copyright law is BROKEN and like FUCK YOU GEORGE BUSH TAKE THIS!

All we need now is for someone to actually release some PS3 games and we're good to go!

Re:Awesome (0, Troll)

n2art2 (945661) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885587)

Let's Blame George Bush and cuss at him. That show's em! Yeah we're real cool, yo!

You are so cool.

How long? (4, Informative)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885373)

How long would it take to burn a 45GB disc? Blu-ray.com says 1x is 36Mbs, so that would be 4.5MB/s. 45GB is approximately 45000MB, so it would take about 10,000 seconds at max speed the whole way. So that's like what, 2 hours and 50 minutes? Not that bad for massive backup if you just start it when you go to bed.

Re:How long? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18885569)

The discs are 50 GB. The submitter felt it would be "sweet" to leave 5 GB unused.

Re:How long? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18885749)

If you think that 45Gb is a massive backup, then sure...

Then factor in battery life (1)

Xocet_00 (635069) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886257)

Neglecting whatever increased power requirements the new optical drive might introduce, 2.5 hours is cutting it close for burning on a battery. Now certainly it's always possible to plug in when you're on the road, but if you have a socket nearby, an external hard disk can be plugged in too (or you can beat this by using a "self-powered" USB disk).

Not to mention that, at best, you could have ~3 Blu-Ray discs worth of data stored on your hard disk.

What a Waste of Money... (1, Interesting)

SerpentMage (13390) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885437)

>> System administrators and database administrators can archive and retrieve large amounts of data on 1 convenient disk. Blu-ray is the next generation of storage technology and it's available today, only from Fastmac.

Really? Last I looked I can now get a terrabyte of hard disk space under 300 USD. If I want a terrabyte of RAID it will probably cost me 400 USD, maybe 500 USD. A terrabyte of blueray is 20 DVD's burning at 8x. Oh yeah I am going to pay 800 USD and 20x CD's + more time to do the same backup... Yeah that sounds like a plan!

CD's, DVD's are history for backing up purposes. Even the original intention of CD's for music is starting to become irrelevant. Times have changed.

Re:What a Waste of Money... (1)

kjart (941720) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885555)

A terrabyte of blueray is 20 DVD's burning at 8x.

Sorry for being pedantic, but it's actually Blu-ray, and a Blu-ray Disc != a DVD.

Re:What a Waste of Money... (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 6 years ago | (#18888441)

You correct him on "blueray" but not "terrabyte?"

Feelin' hot hot hot.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18885637)

It's pricey ($800), but you have to admit that burning 45 GB is pretty sweet.
Sweet like the smell of roasting pant-legs? Because if you thought your lappy ran hot before...

External solution? (1)

wjcofkc (964165) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885639)

Give me an external firewire option and I am on board.

ehm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18885653)

there is always a chance OS X 10.5 will support playing movies

20 years off

Speed? 1x BD-RW (1)

LotsOfPhil (982823) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885673)

It says that it burns at 1x BD-R. How fast is this? I'll tell you, 4.5 MB/s. That means 10,000 seconds for a 45 GB disc. That's 166 minutes. That isn't slow, I guess, but it sure sounds slow.

What if Apple goes to HD instead? (0)

bobm (53783) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885683)

My problem is that I haven't seen where Apple has said that the future product line will use Blue-Ray. I would hate to buy one of these and find out in June that all the new high end mac are HD-DVD.

Apple playing catch-up again... (1, Informative)

DogDude (805747) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885727)

Re:Apple playing catch-up again... (1)

pikine (771084) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887553)

Apple hasn't caught up yet. It's a third party drive, but it's nice to be able to retrofit old powerbook to Blu-ray, although I seriously doubt if these older systems (back to G3 Pismo) have enough juice to operate it practically.

Re:Apple playing catch-up again... (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887817)

Good point. I re-read the article after my posting and realized that it's 3rd party. Apple isn't including them yet. Maybe Apple is just being really cautious here, because other early adopter picks they have made have failed to make it to industry standard (Firewire).

Beaten? (3, Insightful)

Mikey-San (582838) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885733)

Fastmac has beaten Apple to the Blu-Ray punch and has a new slimline Blu-Ray drive that works in PowerBooks, iBooks, Mac Minis, the MacBook Pro 17", and a few other systems. [. . .] Fastmac says that playing Blu-Ray movies isn't currently supported since there is no software player.

Yeah, they totally beat Apple to the punch of selling a product that the OS doesn't support at all. Hurp. It's not that Apple can't get hardware from vendors, it's that they have to implement the software side as well, which isn't very likely until the next big OS update. I mean, we're kinda at the end of the Tiger line, here, after all.

This is news? (1)

default luser (529332) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885903)

On the PC side of the world, we've been enjoying various 3rd-party Blu-Ray drives and various third-party Blu-Ray video players for a year now.

As a Mac user, I'm rather disappiointed. But that's why I'm also a PC user - it helps me avoid disappointment when Apple decides to sit on the fence.

Re:This is news? (1)

dasmoo (1052358) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886835)

I wouldn't say enjoying... More ignoring...

Re:This is news? (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886971)

They haven't been completely ignored... where do you think they got that key from?

& How Long Will the Disks Last (4, Interesting)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885905)

I want to see some very heavy results from independent testing labs that give me an idea that if I put data on such disks that it will be readable in at least 5 years @ 99.99% reliability.

If not, hard drives are way better as they read and write at far higher speeds.

Re:& How Long Will the Disks Last (2, Informative)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886679)

I want to see some very heavy results from independent testing labs that give me an idea that if I put data on such disks that it will be readable in at least 5 years @ 99.99% reliability.

If not, hard drives are way better as they read and write at far higher speeds.
Hard drives will ALWAYS be more reliable than any flat piece of plastic. But you can't throw a hard drive in an envelope and mail it for $0.41 in the US like you can a CD / DVD / HD|BR-DVD. Families enjoy this because they can send home movies around the nation very easily, and business find it useful for mailing out data that would otherwise take a long time to send over their already busy internet connection.

But for all my archival needs I use big ass external hard drives.

Good (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 6 years ago | (#18885947)

I hope the next MacBooks (specifically the 13.3" MacBookPro I've been whining for for a while now) has a BluRay option.

That'll make the version without the BluRay reader $200 cheaper, which works just fine for me.

hmm (1, Interesting)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886091)

I saw the mac, had some mod points and thought that i'd revenge myself for the rabid mods who down vote me every time i poo poo macs, no matter how logic, right, obvious, or stupid i may feel at the time that i click the submit reply button.

However, if this means that i could install a *cough* open source player to play blu-ray discs on a pc that wasn't crippled by drm issues *cough vista coughcough*, it might be worth my next laptop replacement.

Re:hmm (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886515)

I agree. I do own a couple Macs and I get shot down on several occasions any time I said something that members of the Mac cult disagree with.

I don't assume that Apple is good and right all the time, and I don't assume they are wrong all the time. I think it's unfortunate that there are so many cultists out there, pro- or anti-Apple or Mac.

I think the open source people have had access to BR drives, they've been available for many months now. They seem to be more the type to try to make a free player, a lot of the free Mac players seem to be ports from Linux software.

Re:hmm (1)

3choTh1s (972379) | more than 6 years ago | (#18888185)

Um just a small note. When did Vista stop you from installing a open source player to play blu-ray discs? Are both the VLC and Media Player Classic icons on my quicklaunch bar just figments of my imagination?

Pretty slow (2)

massysett (910130) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886191)

burning 45 GB is pretty sweet

If it's as slow as burning a DVD is, then not really. I gave up on optical media for backup long ago because it's just too slow. I just use an extra hard drive instead. Does anybody know if burning Bluray is any faster per GB than burning a DVD?

Bit34 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18886261)

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"Sweet?" (2, Interesting)

Illbay (700081) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886301)

...burning 45 GB is pretty sweet.

Okay, I can get a dual-layer DVD Burner for about seventy bucks [amazon.com] currently, which means I can burn about 8 GB (or 18% of 45 GB) for less than one-tenth of the price--nearly twice as "cost effective."

Then you consider that I can buy the six dual-layer DVDs for about $1.50 each ($9 total), whereas a single "sweet-burnin'" dual-layer Blu-Ray disc (the kind you need to hold 45 GB) is gonna cost me at LEAST thirty bucks--four times as much for the same amount of data.

Hm. When you consider the trend, I think I can hold off for, say, two years when Blu-Ray or HD-DVD or whoever wins that war costs about what a dual-layer DVD burner costs now (and ditto for the discs).

Burning 45 GB onto just one disc will be "sweet," but for the nonce I can stand burning six d-l DVDs without laying out the $800 smackers (esp. since I've already bought the DVD burner with my latest notebook computer anyway).

Not the first recorder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18886357)

Sheesh, this was in Mac news about three weeks ago. Other World Computing had one listed for sale before March 16th.
$550 for a 2x BD-R internal drive. http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Panasonic/SW5582BK/ [macsales.com]

I would bet that Apple is going to force users to get Leopard/10.5 to be able to play retail movies like M$ did with Vista, and expect a crack a couple of months later.

However - can you play movies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18886781)

Sony officially do not allow movies to playback on computing devices. Only standalone players are allowed to playback the Blueray format. PCs and Laptops can only use DATA BR and do not include the DRM required for movie playback.
HD-DVD *WILL* allow movie playback on PCs and laptops. Further more whilst there is a technical ability to do so HD-DVD has region locking off by default. Of course both systems have DRM. So here is the table - remember there is *no difference* in the quality of the movie on BR and HD-DVD - it's the space available for extra content that is the issue. Both HD-DVD and BR use the same set of bitrates for their HD video.

HD-DVD:
Capacity - 20 to 30GB
Movie quality HD
No region encoding.
DRM
Can play movies on PCs and Laptops

BR:
Capacity - 35 to 45GB
Movie quality HD
Region locked with anti-tamper and live updates.
DRM
*CANNOT* play movies on PCs and Laptops.

If you think I am just a HD-DVD zealot then try googling for this information and be amazed at what Sony does not like to be public. For me, not being able to play by HD movies on my PC is a show-stopper for BlueRay.

Overpriced much? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886791)

Cool, now I can add a 800$ drive to my 600$ Mac mini.

Ok, it's a Blu-Ray burner, but still.

So how are they gonna call it this time? (3, Funny)

denzacar (181829) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886843)

HyperDrive? TrueBlue? Blueper drive? MoneyBurn?

I mean... Superdrive?
Where was common sense that DVD RW/DL drives will be a common thing couple of months later, back then when someone came up with THAT idea?
Now its like pointing out that your brand new digital watch has a calculator and calling it "A Com-pew-thoor".

But you can still hear Mac users calling it a Superdrive.

Mac user: My brand new Mac has a Superdrive.
Non-Mac user: Dude, it is called a DVD Recorder... They are like... 30$ or something now.
Mac user: A SUUUUUPPEERR-DRIVE!!

Why Apple (probably) hasn't made this themselves (3, Funny)

Xest (935314) | more than 6 years ago | (#18886881)

I could be completely wrong, I don't know Apple's stance but I'd imagine Apple just aren't ready to commit to Bluray yet, they're probably waiting for more mature drives that support both HDDVD and Bluray together or waiting for a more definitive winner in the format wars, right now it's just too early to take sides and I doubt Apple want the headache of producing/supporting systems that have either Bluray or HDDVD and not both in, I can see it now:

Customer: I bought this HD movie and it doesn't work in my drive can you help?
Apple: Sir, it's an HDDVD, you have a Bluray drive
Customer: But my Bluray drive is for HD isn't it?
Apple: Yes, but HDDVD and Bluray are different formats
Customer: But I want to be able to play HD movies!
Apple: *sigh*

Re:Why Apple (probably) hasn't made this themselve (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18888193)

I thought that apple was already in support of Blu-ray. Aren't they part of the BLU-man group or what ever sony is calling their consortium.

Re:Why Apple (probably) hasn't made this themselve (-1, Redundant)

mistermiyagi (1086749) | more than 6 years ago | (#18888245)

Sorry for the repost wasn't logged in.

I thought that apple was already in support of Blu-ray. Aren't they part of the BLU-man group or what ever sony is calling their consortium.

Leopard necessary first, for Apple sourced (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887267)

At this point in time MacOS X does not have the necessary drivers for either HD-DVD or BluRay. I also don't see MacOS X gaining the necessary drivers until the delivery of Leopard, which is now slated for October. For this reason I don't see any chance of seeing Apple providing either drive as an option until then. At that point in time I would not be surprised that if the drives are offered, then it will be a build-to-order option, given the cost and the fact the competition between HD-DVD and BluRay is just hurting everyone.

Re:Leopard necessary first, for Apple sourced (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18887631)

Fuck Blu-ray, HD-DVD foreva, BITCHES!

Is it worth it? (1)

forgotten_my_nick (802929) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887277)

To be honest I can't see myself ever buying a Blu-Ray drive.

For one it is too expensive for the drive. $800. I can get a 500GB HDD for about 120 euros. Easier to store, no messing trying to find a disk. No DRM, no region messing.

It will (imho) go the way of the DAT tapes (niche market).

So what (3, Funny)

strikeleader (937501) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887341)

Shouldn't this be from the "Who gives a Rat's A** Dept".

mmmmm (1)

iMac Were (911261) | more than 6 years ago | (#18887593)

It's pricey ($800), but you have to admit that burning 45 GB is pretty sweet.
There's only so much ghey pr0n you can look at before it starts to get samey. Trust me, I've tried!

Driver signing (1)

Myria (562655) | more than 6 years ago | (#18888097)

I'm assuming that as a condition of allowing Macs to play Blu-Ray disks, Sony will require Apple to make Leopard require all drivers to be digitally signed so that fake device drivers can't be used to break the DRM. Same reason as Vista 64.

I honestly hope that someone either builds a large quantum computer or finds a fast discrete logarithm algorithm soon before asymmetric encryption ruins consumer rights.

Death to physical media! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#18888229)

I no longer really consider physical media, at least for writing. Obviously, if it's included with a new Mac, then I'd get it. But otherwise, hard drives seem better, faster and cheaper. (Yeah, I know HDD are physical, but you know what I mean.)
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