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NIN Releases Garageband Sources For 3 New Tracks

CowboyNeal posted more than 7 years ago | from the play-it-your-way dept.

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Kethinov writes "Nine Inch Nails has once again released the sources in Garageband format for three of their tracks from their new album Year Zero. You can also download user-created remixes. Trent Reznor claims that he plans to release the entire album this way."

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Now if only any of them were good (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18896785)

Yeah it's better than With Teeth

but it still sucks

Also released in 'Generic Format'... (5, Informative)

Angostura (703910) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896793)

... for other applications, via torrent on the same page.

36% growth in sales: Requiem for Macintosh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18897843)

The artists moved to the Mac in 1984 for the user interface to make their art. They generated applications, hypercard stacks,applescripts, performance spaces like the apple store soho would eventually become, text and picture clippings, art galleries (tekserve).etc., due to their highly developed aesthetics.

these artists-- these creative designers, musicians, scientists, and programmers-- stayed on the Mac during the interregnum when apple was a decaying mess and, respecting the Gestalt manager, built their applications out of dilapidated but beautiful Toolbox code.

The pencil-pushers and accountning brats saw all of this and said, "Hey, that looks cool." "Daddy buy me some of that." But these switcheurs have nothing to contribute except a talent for demanding crap like glossy screens. just what the fuck are you spreadsheet fiddlers doing? nothing beyond fueling the demand for ugly, tragically misdesigned, cookie-cutter applications like Firefox and Azureus. That is why the Mac community has so rapidly gone into its Rococco stage.

The Mac community continues to change and it is becoming very clear that we are loosing our edge-- the subcultures that once thrived on the Mac are all loosing steam to the mainstream. art, music, nightlife, web development. The Mac is so over. very sad indeed.

Re:36% growth in sales: Requiem for Macintosh (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898015)

as long as they're loosing their edge and and not losing it, then it's fine with me.

Re:36% growth in sales: Requiem for Macintosh (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898797)

Interregnum? Really? If that's the case you might want to clean up your writing BEFORE pressing submit. It reflects poorly on King Steve when you're so sloppy.

RIAA (4, Funny)

revengebomber (1080189) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896797)

I hope I'm not sued for downloading them.

BNL also has a number of remixable songs (3, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896825)

BNL (Barenaked Ladies, from Canada) also has a number of remixable songs where you can download songs with the tracks split out [barenakedladies.com] .

These cost $2.49 for each song-related set of tracks (all in WAV) but that's more than fair for a bunch of lossless tracks that you can use for whatever. Pretend to be Ed or Steve just by leaving out a track and filling in yourself!

Re:BNL also has a number of remixable songs (-1, Flamebait)

remove office (871398) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896893)

BNL (Barenaked Ladies, from Canada) also has a number of remixable songs where you can download songs with the tracks split out. I assume the parent simply means that these are instrumental and acapella versions of the song. Which is really only groundbreaking if you're not familiar with hip hop, where instrumental and acapella versions of songs (and whole albums) are extremely common and unofficial remixes are made all the time, often promoted by artists themselves. Hip hop as a genre since its conception, has been squarely based on the principle of fair use.

Why don't you actually follow link... (4, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896983)

I assume the parent simply means that these are instrumental and acapella versions of the song.

You didn't have to ASSume anything (proving out the old saying in the process), simply following the link you find this text:

For the first time in Barenaked Ladies history we are making available for download multitracks of our songs. May we introduce "Easy", "Wind It Up", "Bank Job", "Rule the World With Love", "I Can I Will I Do" and "Maybe You're Right" off our upcoming album Barenaked Ladies Are Me. It is our hope that you will remix, re-create, re-edit, re-configure, and realize what you will with these parts in coming up with your own versions. All tracks here are 16 bit 44.1kHz WAV files ready for re-mixing. Cost for all tracks of each song is $2.49. (note: all multitracks are copyrighted material)

and clicking on any song tells you something along these lines:

It is our hope that you will remix, re-create, re-edit, re-configure, and realize what you will with these parts in coming up with your own versions. All 11 tracks (5 of which are stereo - making 16 total) here are in 16 bit 44.1kHz WAV files ready for re-mixing. Cost for all tracks is $2.49 (note: all multitracks are copyrighted material).

These are real multi-tracks, with instruments and vocals split out.

It doesn't get any more re-mixable.

Re:Why don't you actually follow link... (1)

lemon_dieter (949624) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898565)

Do I have to be limited to CD quality?

24 bit / 96 kHz will get me interested.

Using my Athlon 64 3000+ and 64Studio, a Debian distro with realtime pre-emptive patches, I could really use some QUALITY samples.

This specialized audio distro works better than any Mac any of my friends have attempted to use (however they are the artist types and don't even understand that you have to press CTRL while clicking to get the menu).

Is there anyone else in the Slashdot crowd using linux to record Pro Audio?

What does 96 kHz buy you? (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898763)

24 bit / 96 kHz will get me interested.
I can see where storing intermediate versions at 24-bit would reduce noise in the final mix. But please explain something about pro audio: What advantage does representing frequencies up to 47999 Hz have if the ear can't hear over 20 kHz?

Offtopic? You can use these with GarageBand too. (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897001)

How is this "Offtopic". You can download for the six songs listed a set of 11 or so different tracks, with vocals and instruments split out - you simply drag all the tracks into GarageBand and play with to your hearts content.

Some people may like BNL more than NIN. For those people, BNL also offers a fun exploration of remixing with good quality tracks.

What does garage band format mean (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18896839)

What I the subject line said..

Stupid question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18896863)

What I the subject line said...

a format for garage band (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898029)

What I the subject line said

But how do I write software to parse it? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898811)

What I the subject line said

Why Apple? (2, Insightful)

SolitaryMan (538416) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896855)

Pardon my ignorance, but what this has to do with Apple?

(Just asking)

Re:Why Apple? (4, Informative)

MrPerfekt (414248) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896907)

Pardon my ignorance, but what this has to do with Apple?

Well, GarageBand is a Mac-only application written by Apple.

That'd be a good place to start.

Re:Why Apple? (3, Informative)

miscz (888242) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896987)

GarageBand is a Mac-only application bought by Apple.

Re:Why Apple? (4, Informative)

The One and Only (691315) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897473)

That's only half-correct. Apple purchased Emagic (makers of Logic, a professional audio editing program) in 2002 and GarageBand was shipped as an Apple product in 2005. So they did purchase the personnel and maybe even some of the code used in GarageBand, but the product itself was first developed and sold by Apple.

Re:Why Apple? (1)

miscz (888242) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897755)

Right, sorry, I've mistaken Garageband's history with Logic Pro. Still, I doubt they'd develop such an app in just two years, at least without some previous products. It's damn good for amateur recording, if there was some serious tempo / time signature functionality it'd be near perfection. Sometimes I wish I had a Mac just for this one app :/

Re:Why Apple? (3, Informative)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897553)

GarageBand is a Mac-only application bought by Apple.

If you'd ever used logic 6 (the last version made by emagic before getting bought out by apple, who later produced logic 7 and recycled the sound engine into garageband), you'd know how ridiculous you sounded just now. Granted, apple didn't write the whole app from scratch, but what they did to it was the equivilent of "pimp my app" with a '79 chevy nova. Give some credit where it's due.

Re:Why Apple? (1)

Scudsucker (17617) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897603)

Doesn't look [wikipedia.org] that way.

Re:Why Apple? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18897429)

Well, GarageBand is a Mac-only application written by Apple.
Fortunately, those same "Garageband format" files work excellently in Logic, readily available for Windows at a torrent site near you.

Re:Why Apple? (3, Funny)

nugx (994844) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897241)

Trent Reznor has been a Mac user for years.

Re:Why Apple? (4, Funny)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897455)

So why are his song lyrics always along the lines of 'Oh crikey, life is horrible! Everything is dreadful! I am so depressed! Blimey, things just took an unexpected turn for the worse!' ? Are macs that bad?

Re:Why Apple? (3, Funny)

Yggdrasil42 (662251) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898341)

Pff... Just think how he'd be if he were using Windows. Hell on earth?

Re:Why Apple? (1)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898363)

Trent sells to that market. It's not more complicated than that.

Re:Why Apple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898545)

He's got revisionism, and so, sir, do you.

Re:Why Apple? (4, Informative)

appleguru (1030562) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897439)

Apple is also HOSTING these rather large garageband files for NIN:

http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/nin/me_im_ not.zip [apple.com]

http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/nin/capita l_g.zip [apple.com]

http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/nin/my_vio lent_heart.zip [apple.com]

And a fourth not linked to from the NIN main page:

http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/nin/surviv alism.zip [apple.com]

Re:Why Apple? (1)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897937)

Also, Trent loves Apple.

Re:Why Apple? (1)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898345)

This is about a band releasing the 'source' for their music created on a 'closed source' application made by Apple.

The title almost makes it look like NIN released the source code for Garageband, which would be significantly more newsworthy.

Adblock: *.Myspace.* (1, Funny)

DogDude (805747) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896859)

I'm just gonna add *.myspace.* to adblock right now. I don't want to accidentally run into somebody's horrible remix of any of these great tracks.

Re:Adblock: *.Myspace.* (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896913)

Best to block it directly in the hosts file. That way you will never have anything to do with crap^H^H^H^Hmyspace. And best of all, it's cross-browser! (Plus, it has annoyed my sister to no end)

just in time for Valenti's reception (-1, Troll)

hxnwix (652290) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896891)

at NIN's studio... located in a funeral home. Not figuratively.

How's that for a send off?

That's right. Fuck you, Valenti.

I know this probably sounds like a troll... (4, Interesting)

photomonkey (987563) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896915)

A band puts out their music for their fans to mess around with electronically, in a common format for very inexpensive software. Pretty neat shit.

A band can sell/giveaway/whatever their music through Apple iTMS (seriously, check out The Cells; a really kickass band, not mine.) or various other people with enough bandwidth and code to be able to sell or giveaway electronic tracks.

T-shirts, posters and other merchandise can be bought on-demand from certain sites and can be made in bulk cheaper than ever before.

Remind me again: Why do we need traditional record labels anymore? I mean, sure a band might not as easily book a night at Shea Stadium without Sony, but if smaller bands were able to keep more of their money (via not having to hand 80% of it over to the label), they don't need to play places as big as Shea Stadium regularly to still live the 'rockstar' lifestyle.

I think it's very funny that a Nine Inch Nail is helping to drive The Nail into the coffin of the record industry.

Re:I know this probably sounds like a troll... (5, Insightful)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896967)

they don't need to play places as big as Shea Stadium regularly to still live the 'rockstar' lifestyle
Actually they do. Few bands/musicians are actually properly able manage this lifestyle and the majority of those who can have been around for a very long time, long enough and with enough sales to get a decent deal from the record companies. Of course there is the odd exception with someone like Robbie Williams who for some unknown reason scored a huge contract off EMI.

Much of the lifestyle you see with modern artists is funded by the record companies and when the sales dry up the cars, planes and cribs tend to vanish with them.

Re:I know this probably sounds like a troll... (1)

Mikachu (972457) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897073)

So get a manager. A manager would need a lot less of the money, and yet he would be paid to deal with this kind of thing. A far better idea than paying 80%+ to a record company. At that point, you really DON'T need to play in the Continental Arena to get a good chunk of cash.

Re:I know this probably sounds like a troll... (3, Interesting)

photomonkey (987563) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897413)

I wasn't talking at all about sustaining the lifestyle, but rather getting to the point of having that lifestyle, however untenable, without the assistance of a record company.

Let's say a band can make $20,000 for performing at a 5,000 seat venue as a self-promoted event without record labels getting involved. Now, if said band were signed to a label and had to pay to play (or had to sell even more to get the record company the profits they want), the band may very well have to play a 30,000 seat arena to see the same $20,000.

They get the same amount of money either way, but since they're paying out less in scenario A, they don't need to worry about selling more seats. Then when they do get to the point of having the draw to fill Shea on their own (or have Shea approach them to do the show) they do get the super-mega-huge bucks.

I would totally expect that what you say is correct for rockstars as much as it is for anyone else: lose the market and lose your shirt.

What I'm saying is that bands are in a position now to be masters of their own destiny. The smart ones who understand the business will do very well for themselves, and those who have ten minutes of 'flash-in-the-pan' fame will be gone as quickly as they arrived.

Re:I know this probably sounds like a troll... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18897829)

Except many bands/performers don't want to just to well for themselves. They want the mansions, six cars and full VIP treatment. The major labels can provide that up front, making you a huge star over night, while going the DIY way you may never even get there. Sure you might end up in serious debt to the label and they'll have full artistic control over everything you do and they will eventually dump you like yesterdays trash, but at least you got snort coke off a hooker in VIP lounge in some of the most exclusive clubs in California. Sometimes short term satisfaction beats long term sustainability.

Re:I know this probably sounds like a troll... (2, Funny)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897487)

The record industry is a big beast, you're gonna need nine inch nails to do it!

Re:I know this probably sounds like a troll... (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897687)

Marketing. More RIAA songs are illegally downloaded then any non-RIAA song (legal or otherwise). So clearly the RIAA offers great marketing to artists.

Re:I know this probably sounds like a troll... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898085)

Hoo boy. "Drive a nail into the coffin of the record industry"? You sound just as deranged as every poster you'll see in any Linux-related article ever on this site. I'm sorry but the record industry isn't hanging on to a cliff looking up with glossy eyes praying for your saviour while your monstrous ass bellows out the laugh of a mountain giants while stomping on its fingers. That's just not how it is. Get your head out of your ass and acknowledge the simple fucking fact that the record industry is as strong as ever and one or two hackneyed artists spilling out GarageBand source isn't going to change that. Fuck.

Yeah, like you deserve the moderation you have. Moron.

Re:I know this probably sounds like a troll... (2, Insightful)

nwbvt (768631) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898629)

Big bands like NIN probably don't need record labels at this point, assuming they are willing to do all that boring work (marketing, accounting, production, legal, etc.) along with writing the music (Reznor might be willing there, but I imagine most are not). But a garage band has a nearly 0% chance of getting a hit on the radio without help. Yes, there are occasional exceptions, thats why I said 'nearly'.

BTW, how do you think sucking up to the general RIAA hating /. population sounds like a troll? If anything that sounds like karma whoring.

FM radio (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898851)

Why do we need traditional record labels anymore?
To advertise music to people who commute, except those in the slim minority with a recent computer and an MP3 player and high-speed Internet access and motivation to seek out new music. Only radio reaches vehicles, and a major record label has the clout to get songs onto commercial FM radio in the United States.

Finally (5, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896933)

Not to press a point, but NIN has been pushing a viral release of their new CD for some time now. They are a band that 'gets it' so to speak. They will make money even while giving away their music. If only the RIAA will learn from this, give content in new ways, give content that is more than an MP3 file, give content that is *WORTH* paying for.

I don't care if you don't like NIN's music, you have to admire how they are approaching the new medium and embracing a new environment. I will buy their CD just to have that heat sensitive label. NIN 'gets it' in my opinion.

Re:Finally (2, Interesting)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897059)

I'm a firm believer that Trent has had his shit together for quite some time. I have all of the albums (although Year Zero is the only one I purchased from iTunes, the rest are CDs). I highly suggest you go see him live. I saw him at Summerfest in Milwaukee last year, and it was a god damn amazing show (with Peaches opening for him, which made it a whole lot more interesting).

Re:Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18897091)

Nice to see someone from the Milwaukee area on Slashdot. NIN rocked the shit out of the Marcus... and I'm sure Tool will do the same on the 4th of July.

Re:Finally (2, Insightful)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897475)

I went through college on "Pretty Hate Machine" and "Broken". Happiness in Slavery, after failing a EE exam in particular, was poignant.
Guess I'm old now, but his stuff doesn't seem to have progressed much.

Re:Finally (2, Insightful)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898381)

Guess I'm old now, but his stuff doesn't seem to have progressed much.

Like Coca-Cola, he doesn't dare change the formula.

Re:Finally (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898417)

Which is a shame, because he clearly has talent. Nihilism eats itself after a while.

The Music Machine's still there (1)

Calyth (168525) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897097)

It's actually kinda sad that NIN Year Zero sale is beaten by Avril Lavigne in Canada.
Bt at least we know that NIN would be longer lasting as musicians, and people would keep remixing their songs as long as Reznor going to keep releasing his songs like this.

"Musician," not "Musicians" (3, Informative)

Proofof. Chaos (1067060) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897919)

Trent Reznor is the only true member of NIN. He records everything himself, and only has a band for live shows. That's one thing I love about Reznor; he decided he didn't need a band, and then he decided he didn't even need a record label, he just created his own. Anyone reading this who is in high school and has a garage band with dreams of making it big, should use Trent as an example. He has clearly seen where the music industry is headed for a good fifteen years now, well ahead of everyone else.

Re:"Musician," not "Musicians" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898019)

You mean ditch your buddies and hire temporary stand-ins for concerts?

Re:Finally (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18897203)

If only the RIAA will learn from this, give content in new ways, give content that is more than an MP3 file, give content that is *WORTH* paying for.
Well, of course they're giving more than just an MP3 file! They're giving an MP3 (or similar) file with DRM! What a bonus!

Re:Finally (4, Funny)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897221)

Did you notice his comment about using torrents... and that the torrents are hosted on the pirate bay?

Brillant.

Re:Finally (3, Interesting)

Tawnos (1030370) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897267)

I think Trent takes subtle digs at the RIAA on the CD itself. There's a "morality" warning that looks very similar in style to the FBI antipiracy warning. This also brings up a question, though. There's a warning on the CD about making unauthorized duplicates and the copyright infringements related to that... but Trent's releasing all of the "source" for these songs...

Just something to ponder.

Re:Finally (3, Interesting)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898573)

There's a warning on the CD about making unauthorized duplicates and the copyright infringements related to that... but Trent's releasing all of the "source" for these songs...

Then obviously you can make an authorised duplicate from the sources!

Re:Finally (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899023)

There's a warning on the CD about making unauthorized duplicates and the copyright infringements related to that... but Trent's releasing all of the "source" for these songs...
Compare Microsoft's Shared Source initiative. Some "Shared Source" components are still under non-free licenses.

Re:Finally (4, Interesting)

hmccabe (465882) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897295)

I don't care if you don't like NIN's music, you have to admire how they are approaching the new medium and embracing a new environment. I will buy their CD just to have that heat sensitive label. NIN 'gets it' in my opinion.

Absolutely. I'm a music student in a program for digital arts and experimental media*, and I think it's fantastic to see a well established band taking steps to move the music industry forward. I don't care for NIN music (like, at all), but you have to hand it to them, I haven't seen anyone else do more to connect with their fan base, educate interested parties in the process of modern production and composition, and build interest about a new release. With the option of digital distribution, I can use techniques such as this to market my music (and hopefully monetize it through instructional downloads/official tab PDFs) while remaining free of an RIAA contract. If Trent were here, I'd say "good show." I'd probably also say "cheer up dude."

*University of Washington, Seattle if you care. :)

Promoting to commuters? (0)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899053)

With the option of digital distribution, I can use techniques such as this to market my music (and hopefully monetize it through instructional downloads/official tab PDFs) while remaining free of an RIAA contract.
But how will people who don't have a recent computer and an MP3 player and high-speed Internet access and motivation to discover new music? They'll just fall back to the FM radio that they have always relied on while commuting, and the major labels have that promotion venue all sewn up.

Re:Finally (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897651)

They are a band that 'gets it' so to speak.

If by that you mean that they have a large and dedicated following, most of whom will buy the CDs, DVDs, T-shirts, etc and attend the concerts, then yes, they "get it". (Although by "they" I assume you mean Trent - it is still essentially a one-man band, isn't it?)

Not all bands/stars are so blessed, even some of the big names are living essentially on hype and marketing saturation. We can argue relative worth until we're blue in the face (although I suspect I'd likely mostly agree with you), but not everyone can "get it" in this way, however much they may like to.

(Although again, I think we'd probably agree on how many actually *would* like to)

As a iMac owner (1)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 7 years ago | (#18896953)

I have already downloaded them - proud to have garage band - but sadly I can't yet run the full songs through as they have too many tracks, and I have to figure out the optimization of Garage band to play them.

Did not have this problem prior, but then, I never tried this with real songs.

Has anyone else encountered the constant stoppages of garage band with these tracks?

Re:As a iMac owner (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18897217)

You need to ``lock'' some tracks by clicking the little lock icon at the left side of the main GarageBand window for each one. Locking renders the track to the hard disk, decreasing CPU usage (but increasing I/O).

Re:As a iMac owner (1)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897395)

Fixed! Thou art wise!

A sign of things to come? (2, Funny)

adona1 (1078711) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897015)

So let me see....NIN are releasing the unadultarated tracks so other people can have a go at mixing and remixing the songs...

I guess the next step involves giving everyone guitars so they can write the songs for them? ;)

Re:A sign of things to come? (1, Troll)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897483)

You're not alone - I don't get this "everything needs to be interactive" shit either.

What's wrong with just coming in from a hard day's work, opening a bottle of beer and chilling out to a good piece of music or a movie, rather than wanting to "change it" or "fiddle with it"?

My view is that musicians, movie producers & actors probably know more about their respective arts than I do so they can just get on with it and I'll throw some money at them when they turn out something worse listening to or watching.

Life's too short and I've too many other interests to worry about customising everything to the way I think it should be.

Re:A sign of things to come? (4, Insightful)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897605)

Life's too short and I've too many other interests to worry about customising everything to the way I think it should be.

Some people say the same thing about an operating system. They tend to get mocked as luddites here on SlashDot, or tools of Microsoft.

Not saying I disagree with you. Just trying to give you some perspective.

Re:A sign of things to come? (1)

Res3000 (890937) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898081)

Where are my mod points?

Re:A sign of things to come? (1)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898087)

You're obviously not the target audience for this sort of thing then. Feel free to press the magical Alt + F4 combination whenever you stop being interested.

Re:A sign of things to come? (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898167)

Huh? In case you missed it, the album is already out. The files are being provided for musicians. There are zillions of people who specialize in just doing remixes, some of them very well known. And there are many people like me, who just like playing with this stuff. I've been waiting for this because I like Year Zero, but want to tone down some of the distorted noises so I can play the album loud without cringing. Once all the tracks have been released, I'll probably put my remix up on Demonoid for people who want a "less industrial" kind of sound.

Real meaning of open source (3, Funny)

FormOfActionBanana (966779) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897047)

That way, if NIN go out of business and musical styles change, we will br able to recreate their songs in the new formats.

Whew!

got my money (1)

anarchy_man3 (768249) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897081)

This is the first CD I've purchased before I listened to it in years.

This is a good thing (2, Insightful)

el_flynn (1279) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897143)

I for one think that this is a nice, new path for other musicians to explore. Put out a couple of tracks as teasers for the album, and if the audience likes it more likely than not they're going to end up buying the album. It doesn't cost much for him to promote the album this way (other than paying for bandwith/hosting I suppose); it sure does his "street cred" a world of good anyways.

It feels to me like he's taking a very honest approach about it; after all if the tracks suck then the no-one's going to buy the music. But if they're great, I'm sure we'd want to listen to the rest of the album. He's putting his music/reputation/karma on the line, and in turn indirectly he's looking for your support to buy the album.

I'd really like to see other enlightened artistes try this. That'd really flip ole Jack [slashdot.org] in his grave eh?

Not really. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18897149)

Jack dealt with movies, not music.

Re:This is a good thing (1)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898937)

Actually, Trent didn't just put out a couple of teaser tracks. He "leaked" a few songs during concerts on the European tour. Decent quality MP3s were found on USB sticks. I think this was done with 3 songs.
Then, a few days before the release he put the whole CD up for streaming on their web-page.
It's an awesome album by the way.

Isn't this the same band? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18897363)

.. who had a song about fucking you like an animal and feeling you from the insides?

Re:Isn't this the same band? (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897437)

I thought that was "W.A.S.P." - "F*ck Like A Beast" or something like that?

Re:Isn't this the same band? (2, Informative)

Tim C (15259) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898301)

No, he's talking about "Closer" - the chorus is:

I want to fuck you like an animal
I want to feel you from the inside
I want to fuck you like an animal
My whole existence is flawed
You get me closer to God

Re:Isn't this the same band? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18897459)

What of it? And be careful how you put things. There is NIN the band, that tours, and NIN the Albums, for the most part entirely performed by trent himself. Especially the song in question.

Don't want an entire herd of NIN fans to eat you, myself included.

Anyways, about your post. Is there something wrong with Closer? Does it offend you that people have sex, and write songs that mention it?

Re:Isn't this the same band? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898091)

Don't want an entire herd of NIN fans to eat you, myself included.

Nothing to worry about there. You'd be too busy getting your hair properly messed, your eyeliner just right, and deciding which shade of black t-shirt best brings out the darkness in your soul.

NIN fans are one step above emo kids.

This is not a game (1)

Pandare (975485) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897451)

Well, actually, it is, and seems to be embracing a different sort of audience than just NIN fans. The release is part of the Year Zero project and has a buinch of puzzles and related websites. Here: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/index.php?f=218 [unfiction.com] is a pretty good start on that aspect of it.

Garage-Band (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18897635)

Oh dear - my first thought on seeing "Garageband" in a title was "I don't remember that variant."

I must ask (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897663)

To all those who pirated RIAA content, with free content such as this, why do you feel the need to break the law?

Because bad law deserves to be ignored (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898035)

To all those who pirated RIAA content, with free content such as this, why do you feel the need to break the law?

Because "the law" is not some fundamental axiom of the universe, nor carved in tablets of stone, but is merely a reflection of the studios' greed and their bribary of our politicians to suit their old business model.

"The law" that you so love is not a good law (one that serves the community well), but is actually a crap law that deserves to be ignored. It doesn't reflect the fact that ordinary people want to share music with others on the net, without financial gain. So yes, people feel the need to "break the law" as you put it, because "the law" doesn't reflect nor support their requirements.

Unless you're a sheep, you don't put "the law" above commonsense, and that includes commonsense about the reality of the net and the ease of replication of digital media. Law that tries to maintain some fictional alternative reality is doomed to fail, and it is failing.

And you also don't put "the law" above commonsense when our lawmakers are at the mercy of corruption and bribary from forces like the RIAA. "The law" is meant to serve *us*, but it doesn't, because we don't have the $$$ power of the lobbiests and so we can't bribe the lawmakers like they do. Instead, currently "the law" is serving only those who want to make money off us. And hence it is ignored.

Re:Because bad law deserves to be ignored (1)

CowboyBob500 (580695) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898067)

Actually, IMO, it IS good law, just badly and over-aggresively enforced. After all, it's just normal copyright law which I'm sure everyone here supports - otherwise the GPL is out of the window for a start. The problem is the way the RIAA/MPAA are going about enforcing the law, not the law itself.

Bob

Re:Because bad law deserves to be ignored (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898213)

it's just normal copyright law which I'm sure everyone here supports - otherwise the GPL is out of the window for a start.

The GPL doesn't start from the nonsense idea that distribution and sharing is bad.

Nor does the GPL start from the moronic idea that making a copy somehow represents a loss to the original.

Nice try though, RIAA goon.

Define "normal copyright law" (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899105)

it's just normal copyright law which I'm sure everyone here supports
Define "normal copyright law". Would you consider a copyright term greater than a human lifetime "normal copyright law"? What about contradictory language surrounding the status of fair use and other exempt uses (what the law giveth in 17 USC 107 through 123 it taketh away in 17 USC 1201)?

Re:Because bad law deserves to be ignored (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898185)

I agree not all laws are just or good. However laws are how we as a society govern the behaviour that is detrimental to our society. When breaking the law, it should be for very serious and good reasons. Breaking the law just to get some free music, when plenty of music is already available for free and legally, is not (IMO) a good or serious reason. I think most non-pirates would agree.

For free and legally? How can the author tell? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899135)

Breaking the law just to get some free music, when plenty of music is already available for free and legally, is not (IMO) a good or serious reason.
How is the composer of a piece of music that he wants to publish under a free content license supposed to be able to tell whether or not he subconsciously copied an existing copyrighted work? See Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music.

You watch... (2, Funny)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897667)

Slashdot will now praise Nine Inch Nails for their quality of music, their contribution to our culture, and their business sense.

How odd.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18897877)

to see so many people refer to NiN as 'them' instead of 'him' when it relates to anything except live performances..

anyway, I'm more surprised even that nobody even mentioned the http://www.opensourceresistance.net/ [opensourceresistance.net] site. That should appeal to some more ppl in here.. (it's also part of the viral campaign for Year Zero)

Looks like they're wrapping up the ARG too (1)

cliveholloway (132299) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897889)

Or at least putting it on pause for a while and summing up where we're at [exhibit24.net] . I'm 24.24.2.1251 [exhibit24.net] btw :)

Alternate Reality Game (5, Informative)

celerityfm (181760) | more than 7 years ago | (#18897985)

Something else to consider regarding the significance of these releases- NiN also launched an ARG called Year Zero as well, and the album is simply just part of the ARG- Reznor said "What you are now starting to experience [,the ARG,] IS 'year zero'. It's not some kind of gimmick to get you to buy a record - it IS the art form... and we're just getting started. Hope you enjoy the ride." Reznor has also called the Year Zero game "a new entertainment form."

So, they also release the individual tracks from the songs of the album, in Garage Band and other formats. Bad ass. But you know what else? This is all part of the game - some of the songs contain hidden pictures [wikipedia.org] , backmasked vocals [echoingthesound.org] that lead to website addresses, and there's even morse code on the album.

It is expected that there will be even more hidden goodness available to us now that we can examine the individual tracks. Not only that but holy crap some of these hidden tracks are creepy- the Reaktor instrument in My Violent Heart, for example.

And the heat sensitive label freaked me out, even though I knew it was going to change... that of course revealed another code for the ARG. All the songs seem different after reading up on the ARG. And thats the thing- this album is another concept album, but instead it centers around a fictional future universe rather then being a big metaphor for Trent's own trials and tribulations. Though I'm sure some of those are mixed in too ;)

Re:Alternate Reality Game (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898315)

That is really creepy. I'm listening to the album again with a different perspective. It reminds me of Publius Enigma [wikipedia.org] , which has been ongoing since 1994, and remains unsolved.

Re:Alternate Reality Game (1)

retep (108840) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898771)

And aphex twin is known for doing the same sonogram trick.

Re:Alternate Reality Game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898801)

I'm not sure why "hidden artwork" is at all worth mentioning? This whole "Year Zero" thing gives me the impression Reznor-and-friends have just recently been introduced to Information Society, and now want to do something very similar to the modem noise on Peace & Love or the White Roses stunt...

I don't know how that's going to be *more* fun with a fan base that's in the bazillions, combined with such a large Internet populus. Such "puzzles" will probably be solved and documented within an hour of an album's release, and documented on a Wiki instantly. Thus, it's fun for maybe 3 or 4 people in the entire world, and the rest simply choose to be lazy + not utilise their minds.

Year Zero (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18899215)

The year is 2022. The drug Parepin has been placed into the water supply to pacify the masses. Gay sex, topless couch potatoing, and impromptu apartment musical performances are all secretly recorded by the government. One man has been sent from the future to write the industrial ballads that will save human-kind. Only one artist can write a song to show us just how repetitively annoying the future sounds. That man is Tre... [intercepted by the government]

NIN? (0, Troll)

fi1th (1090847) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898037)

It would be fucking better if you could remix better bands.. NIN are not the best, as the man early put it, his lyrics are depressing. But then again, you may only edit electronica? Synthetic music is crap anyway. Only a keyboard turned to Organ settings gets me going...

A Flash-using site? So much for "openness" (1)

mi (197448) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898935)

Not only is not "open", it is also remarkably stupid — the largely plain-text page (its background being a giant JPG) linked from the write-up is written entirely in Flash... There are not ringing bells and no blowing wistles — their web-master, apparently, knows only the single tool (hammer), and everything looks like a nail to him/her... Eeewwww..

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