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Vista Sales Strong, Higher Than Expected

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the so-it-begins dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Despite reports, it seems Microsoft is not only alive, but has been thriving these last few months. Following Apple's solid earnings yesterday comes above-expectation reporting from Microsoft. Profits jumped 65% from the previous year, and sales of its Windows operating system were strong: 'Microsoft said it deferred $1.2 billion in Windows Vista revenue to the third quarter, to account for upgrade coupons given to PC buyers during the holiday season before the consumer launch of the new operating system. Excluding this figure, client revenue totaled $4.1 billion, 30 percent higher than last year.' Microsoft Chief Financial Officer Chris Liddell said Vista beat internal forecasts by $300 million to $400 million, and Office 2007 sales were $200 million better than expected."

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Well it figures (5, Interesting)

Chris whatever (980992) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898765)

it figures that sales are higher than last year, XP is not new and is installed mostly everywhere,,,Vista aint, so if we compare growth and sales Vista will surpass sales for Xp since most of every windows users already own a copy of XP and dont need to purchase it every 6 month

Coupons, Coupons, Coupons (5, Insightful)

Marcion (876801) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899015)

Counting Coupons according to when they are redeemed is a way to spread out the data. It's a big game, no one outside of Microsoft really knows the real numbers, otherwise the shareholders would demand serious restructuring (kill Xbox, Zune, become MS Office company, return cash pile to shareholders, produce more Mac software etc).

Re:Well it figures (1)

Jarth (666336) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899353)

Given the steep price for a Vista license the expectations are probably based on a salesfigure identical to that of XP. Woeha, longlive the oem-contracts.

Re:Well it figures (0)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899515)

it figures that sales are higher than last year, XP is not new and is installed mostly everywhere,,,Vista aint, so if we compare growth and sales Vista will surpass sales for Xp since most of every windows users already own a copy of XP and dont need to purchase it every 6 month

Seriously. Between the general lack of logic present in the submission and the fact that it was submitted by an AC, methinks it *could* be astroturf.

Leave it to Zonk to actually post the thing.

No! (4, Funny)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898783)

No. It can't be. I've been hearing on Slashdot how Microsoft is a dying company for the past five years. And I believe EVERYTHING I read on Slashdot!

Re:No! (5, Insightful)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898829)

Not only is Microsoft dying..

But every other OS that manages to bump up its marketshare more than 3% is the wave of the future, and the only bandwagon you should be on!

A lot of people seem to think it is harmful to your career to ally oneself with the technology that is still the overwhelming leader in the market. Personally I don't understand that.

It's kind of like being the the transportation industry, and choosing to specialize in bicycles...economically, it is not a very good plan.

Re:No! (5, Insightful)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898905)

A lot of people seem to think it is harmful to your career to ally oneself with the technology that is still the overwhelming leader in the market. Personally I don't understand that.

If you don't understand that I have a fairly comprehensive explanation for you to download.

In quarkXpress 7 format only.

Re:No! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18899143)

How will I read that on my CP/M machine?

Re:No! (2)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899197)

Good point...

QuarkXpress was competing with the overwhelming market leader in the design/layout space- Adobe.

Quark is all but forgotten, while Adobe used its position as a market leader to continue to grow and expand. The people on the Quark bandwagon whithered, while those on the Adobe bandwagon continued to thrive.

Re:No! (1)

Kelbear (870538) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898967)

No...no...

I think it's more like having a bad analogy for a well-undeerstood and exceptional situation that really doesn't need analogies for clarification.

Re:No! (3, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899013)

I choose not to use Windows because as a developer it's not a useful OS in the slightest. That it costs more than Gentoo, is less standard compliant, and the target of more bugs [regardless of the quality of OSS that is] doesn't help either.

A lot of people use Windows not by choice but by the virtue of it's what came with their computer and they don't care to investigate alternatives [even if it's to their benefit].

It's the same reason people eat at fast food joints. It's convenient, around every corner, and seeking out alternatives means they have to do some thinking on their own, which is really scary.

Tom

Re:No! (1, Insightful)

CogDissident (951207) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899399)

Lets see you run some video games on Gentoo. Sure, M$ has an unstable unreliable operating system, but I don't want to have to spend an hour configuring my system every time I get a new game.

Re:No! (2, Insightful)

daeg (828071) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899027)

I'm sure all of the engineers, factory workers, and shops that center around bicycles would like to disagree with you. I'm sure a lot of the European and Asian countries would also like to disagree with you, given that many of them have higher rates of bikes per capita than vehicles (not so in North America, except for a few cities perhaps). Bad analogy.

And a lot of people, at least here at Slashdot, make a good living administering Linux, so being knowledgeable about multiple operating systems is a good thing. If you can make $A administering Windows, and $B administering Red Hat, and $C administering FreeBSD, it stands to reason that if you know Windows, Red Hat, and FreeBSD, your pay, $D, should be $D > ($A, $B, $C). If Red Hat fell out of favor, you still have two other systems you can manage.

Besides, a 100% identical network isn't good practice, no matter what company you work in. You don't want every server to be impacted by the same security flaw on the same day. Competition to Microsoft is good for everyone, including Microsoft administrators.

Re:No! (2, Interesting)

countach (534280) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899351)

Well, it's probably better to be in an emerging and growing technology, than a large but shrinking technology. Wages in the former will be on the way up, and in the latter will be in decline due to a growing supply/demand imbalance.

Re:No! (4, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899365)

A lot of people seem to think it is harmful to your career to ally oneself with the technology that is still the overwhelming leader in the market. Personally I don't understand that.

It's kind of like being the the transportation industry, and choosing to specialize in bicycles...economically, it is not a very good plan.


As someone who makes a living progamming on different Operating Systems Every Day. There is a definate advantage having skills in the non-market leader products.
First You can charge more. .NET programmers are a dime a dozen. But for a good FORTRAN Developer that will cost more, and can't easilly be replaced. Or someone who can make heads or tails out of an RPG Data File. For many of these people with old systems moving to windows is much to expensive moving to Linux is much better, easier to port old software, current administration skill, etc... So learning different languages and systems is a real bonus. Even if it not and never will be #1. Also as technolgy advances a lot of things that were old become new again. People with knowlege in a wider skill set are much more adaptable to different systems. How many advanced windows users get fustrated just because a Linux distribution decides to put the Minamize, Maxamize, and close button on the other side of the windows. How many Mac Users or Linux Users get confused when working on different systems. The more you know the better you are at each one. Also it helps with administration even if you don't know the systems as well as an expert with you knowelge with other OS's it allows you to ask the right questions. Say I know the SEARCH command on VMS and I do a google search for VMS to Unix commands and I find that grep does the job of SEARCH. Or if I need to do some scripting on windows what I learned from the numerious SH scripts I can put into .BAT files. It really helps. Putting all your eggs into one OS even if it is the most popular one will lead you become obsolute rather fast.

Re:No! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898837)

its already dead.. its raising from the ashes

Re:No! (4, Funny)

mattgreen (701203) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898941)

Crap, you beat me to it.

Luckily, THIS year is the year of Linux on the desktop, however!

Re:No! (4, Funny)

klubar (591384) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899109)

I believe that correct answer is, "next year is going to be the year of linux". Thus you can always be right.

Re:No! (1)

Himring (646324) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898991)

Don't let those borg and broken windows icons fool ya. /. reflects stellar objectivity!....

Making these Kind of NEWS (1)

Coleon (946269) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899003)

This kind of News are easy to make. Just pick any guy and tell him to says that profits for M$ are great beter than expected.. and... thats it. Any journalist will take this and print it. Another point of making this kind of news is ... well, our sells are surpassing way beyond our best thoughts... If you really thought that they would sell 10 Windows Vista per month... the sales are great... but you really think so? An another thing... these amount considers the Vista OS tha they pput in soup, microwaves, tooth brush, shoes.... and of course EEVERY new computer that is sold? Even if i prefer XP o none of them?

Re:No! (1)

edremy (36408) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899031)

Pffft, noob- I've been hearing that for *10* years, and I still believe it!

Re:No! (5, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899203)

I've been hearing on Slashdot how Microsoft is a dying company for the past five years.
They're just trying to copy Apple again, which has been dying for over 20 years now.

Only 30%? (4, Insightful)

EchoD (1031614) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898809)

Revenue is only 30% higher after releasing a new product, and this is higher than expected? I'm no expert, but for a new "revolutionary" product that the whole Windows world is expected to adopt... not so good.

Re:Only 30%? (1)

thanatos_x (1086171) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898873)

With respect to whatever background you might have... could it be possible Microsoft has people who are experts who say this is to be expected?

Or at least marketing people to spin it that way... (critical mass is important in software)

I mean, they had how many people spend how many weeks creating the start menu. I think it was something like 10-20 for 15 weeks or something, full time. I think they could afford a few analysts...

Re:Only 30%? (4, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898901)

It's a matter of perspective; that 30% revenue growth is equivalent to all of Google's revenue for the quarter. It's hard to push an elephant.

Re:Only 30%? (4, Insightful)

Rolgar (556636) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899133)

What's the OEM price difference between Vista and XP. If Vista OEM is 50% or more expensive that XP when buying a new computer, then, sure they're getting more money, but they aren't moving any more copies than they were before. This was the whole point of the new OS, to milk more money from the same number of customers.

Re:Only 30%? (2, Interesting)

EchoD (1031614) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899223)

All of this is true, which is why I'm no expert -- as I said. It just seems like a 30% increase after releasing a new, higher priced, product compared to a product that is six years old and already saturating the market isn't too impressive. Yes, 30% for Microsoft is a lot of money, but after the hype they applied to Vista... I'm still not impressed.

Strange (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898819)

Taking into account that most people I know that bought a computer recently (that of course comes with Vista) is trying to somehow change it to XP. I assume most people are not demanding their money back.

Re:Strange (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898999)

Really? Honestly, just bought 3 notebooks (1 each for the kids, and 1 for ME!). They all have Vista of course and it is running fine. Why would I want to go back to XP? We went ahead and upgraded my wife's machine (admittedly - didn't pay for the upgrade as I got it a free copy for being in the Vista beta program). Hers was a bit more problematic as some 3rd party software needed to be upgraded, but it is now working fine.

Move forward not back.

The other day, I upgraded my Ubuntu 6.10 box (which was working fine) to 7.04. This was an over the network update which popped up saying there was an update available. I installed it, and promptly had no network after the update. It took a lot of work to fix it, as I admit I am much more technically competent right now with Windows - but am learning (and used to admin HP-UP, so I do know some unix). However, instead of "oh no, I have to go back to the older Ubuntu because it worked", I put in the time to get the new one working. Again, move forward - not back.

Cry, fanboys (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898839)

The MS express just keeps on chugging over the "competition".

How sad for you.

Go home and rethink your life.

Sketchy figures... (5, Interesting)

Theaetetus (590071) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898845)

Microsoft said it deferred $1.2 billion in Windows Vista revenue to the third quarter, to account for upgrade coupons given to PC buyers during the holiday season before the consumer launch of the new operating system.

So are they counting upgrade coupons as full sales? What if they're never used?
Also, not once do they mention the number of units sold to consumers. Are they including units shipped to stores in their figures, like book publishers do? "We sold 10 million units! 9 million were returned unsold by the stores, however..."

Re:Sketchy figures... (4, Informative)

Simon (815) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898975)

I agree. It sounds very fishy. It looks like they are counting the combination of XP+coupon as being a Vista sale. I wonder if they also counted it as being XP revenue at the same time? I have a hard time imagining that even 50% of the XP+coupon systems sold before January 30 have been upgraded. Most people are capable or interested in upgrading an OS, and a big chunk of those who are, probably (hopefully!) have common sense to stay with XP.

--
Simon

Misleading statistics? (1)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899129)

If Vista is selling so well, then why don't I know a single person or organisation who's using it?

This seems like one of those situations where the "official" statistics are wildly at odds with the observations of the guy in the street (or the server room). Of course my experience might not be typical, but looking at the comments in on-line forums full of people with an interest in IT, I'm guessing it is.

Re:Misleading statistics? (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899181)

You don't know enough people.

Re:Sketchy figures... (4, Funny)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899253)

Thank god there are financial analysts here on Slashdot to point out Microsoft's accounting shenanigans.

Microsoft had the entire financial industry bamboozled, but nothing gets past the wiz-kids here!

Re:Sketchy figures... (1)

topham (32406) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899265)

THe difference is; in general publishers will accept books back. Simply because they have been shipped to book stores doesn't mean the publisher will actually profit from them.

If Microsoft ships 5 million copies they won't accept them back in bulk.

Re:Sketchy figures... (1)

will_die (586523) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899357)

In your example you are counting sales by units, in this article and what Microsoft is saying is ignoring units and giveing the monies they received, so counting upgrade coupons as full sales is irrelavent. In hte US revenue is the money taken in before costs have been subtracted, if they receive back excess inventory and because of that they had a debt to the store they would of needed to apply that against the gross revenue. Which is why for investors revenue is less important then the profit.
The $1.2 billion has to be enough to cover all costs required to cover the valid coupons that are out there, in the even that they don't receive the coupons and they get to count the what is left of that $1.2 billion in the third quarter revenue.
No missleading just the use of business jargon.

Re:Sketchy figures... (2, Insightful)

draos (672972) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899453)

That's not how it works. They offered upgrade coupons to PC buyers during the holiday season since the product wasn't out the door yet...essentially those users "bought" Vista in the form of a coupon in the third quarter. So now when they ship a copy of Vista to a coupon holder it is counted as sale made in the third quarter...this is a standard accounting practice that is accepted throughout the business world. They are looking at it, financially, as though they released Vista during the Christmas season rather than when they did because they ran a promotion that was equivalent from a marketing perspective. Because they are a public company they are required by law to look at it this way, only small businesses can use cost based accounting that records the sale as occurring when the money/product changes hands.

Well, duh. (3, Insightful)

KlausBreuer (105581) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898849)

Obviously they sold a lot of Vista.
After all, every new PC comes with Vista, if you want it or not (with very few exceptions).
Thus, sales are up. Since Vista is not all that cheap, profits are up.

You're surprised?

Re:Well, duh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18899121)

So at this time last year every new computer wasn't being sold with a copy of XP?

Oh wait...

You cannot attribute the increase in revenue to the fact that windows is sold with new computers. Not unless you have an agenda, anyway.

Re:Well, duh. (1)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899271)

Did you RTFA?

Microsoft said it deferred $1.2 billion in Windows Vista revenue to the third quarter, to account for upgrade coupons given to PC buyers

Coupons == Stock manipulation? (2, Insightful)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898861)

This just reeks of stock manipulation. Hold back your sales figures for an extra quarter, cash in those stock options, and then suddenly announce, 'oh yeah, we had these coupons, so we had to hold back our sales figures.' Then watch your stock price shoot through the roof.

But, I just looked at their insider trading roster and actually Bill Gates sold off a suspiciously large number of shared in Feb. I wonder why? [yahoo.com]

Re:Coupons == Stock manipulation? (2, Funny)

da_foz (751028) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898893)

He needed the extra cash so that he could afford to upgrade all of his personal computers to Vista...

Re:Coupons == Stock manipulation? (1)

Hamilton Publius (909539) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898955)

Yea genius, because Bill Gates needs the ~$500 million that sale raised. Look out Eliot Spitzer, we have a replacement.....

Microsoft == the new Enron (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18899123)

I don't believe this Microsoft Claims! Their are fraudulent claims, they are start to look like Enron.

Maybe a big scandal is coming...

Re:Coupons == Stock manipulation? (1)

MeBot (943893) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899375)

Either that or it's called the revenue recognition principle in accounting. You know the one under GAAP where you have to record revenue when it is realized, not when cash is received? No, that can't be it. Must be the conspiracy.

Doesn't he do that all the time? (2, Informative)

kiwimate (458274) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899509)

I seem to remember reading somewhere (on Slashdot, in fact) that he regularly sells off lots of shares in order to (amongst other things) prevent speculation and/or distress if he were to sell them off sporadically.

Fatal Exception Error (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898867)

The $4.1 Billion in revenue excludes the $1.3 Billion Microsoft has to set aside to pay for coupons it gave out. So things are not really 30% higher than Microsoft's abysmal lows last year once proper accounting is done. Add to that the comparison of Microsoft's sales to internal forecasts by only a couple hundred million, one gets the impression things are not that rosy in Redmond. The only surprise is that anyone is surprised after using Vista that some OEM vendors have gone back to stocking XP. It is a dreary mess, but people don't know any better but to buy it. Hot damn, copying files is slow.

Stagnant Stock (1)

Joebert (946227) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898869)

Finally.
Maybe the people who have been holding Microsoft stock for a year longer than anticipated now will get a chance to dump it at some sort of profit.

Ahhh-Chooo!!!!!! (4, Funny)

Taimat (944976) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898879)

"Ahhh-Chooo!!!!!! ....excuse me, I'm allergic to bullshit."
-Will Smith, i-Robot

This is getting old (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898883)

We all know that Vista sales will increase and XP sales will fall. We all know that however much Windows idiots say "I'm sticking with XP," it's really not their decision. They'll get Vista with their next computer, and they'll like it, because that's the only choice they'll have. And if not the next computer, certainly the one after that because the hardware won't be supported in XP.

So can we please stop getting these articles about Vista sales? It doesn't really matter. In 5 years Vista will be just as entrenched as XP and it's not interesting how fast it gets there. Especially when all the articles contradict each other. Every other day Vista sales switch from very bad to very good.

Re:This is getting old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18899147)

So can we please stop getting these articles about Vista sales? It doesn't really matter. In 5 years Vista will be just as entrenched as XP and it's not interesting how fast it gets there. Especially when all the articles contradict each other. Every other day Vista sales switch from very bad to very good.

Oceana is at war with Eastasia
Oceana has always been at war with Eastasia

XP will be supported longer than you think. (1)

argent (18001) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899165)

I'm still running Windows 2000. Only hardware that isn't supported without scrounging is Bluetooth - you need to get a card compatible with the Widcomm stack. And sometimes you have to disable the checks for XP in the installer... the drivers still work (kind of like websites checking for Internet Explorer whether they need to or not).

Re:XP will be supported longer than you think. (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899481)

Well, in five years ReactOS is hopefully going to be at 1.0. By that point it will be able to install & run MSOffice 2K. That will be the death knell for MS in a lot of small businesses.

Re:This is getting old (1)

Anivair (921745) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899359)

I wonder if you said the same thing about Windows ME.

Expectations (5, Interesting)

webrunner (108849) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898885)

Didn't they lower their expectations in January? And now they're saying it's higher than expectations? How does that work?

Re:Expectations (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899067)

Increasing success by lowering expectations. Since whatever they expected is some arbitrary value, all they have to do is lower them enough and the actual sales will have to be much higher.

Re:Expectations (0, Flamebait)

KKlaus (1012919) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899127)

Yeah I don't know what this is all about either. Anyone think they might just constantly adjust expectations so they always beat them by a fair margin?

Wake me when they exceed someone _else_'s expectations. But that won't happen because everyone else is smart enough to say, gee, you force OEM's to put Vista on all new computers they sell. You think that might sell a bunch of licenses? Anyone that didn't expect Vista to sell when consumers really don't have a choice in the matter obviously needs their head checked. But of course if MS was honest and said, well, we expect to sell a lot of copies of Vista because we told Dell et al to put it on all new PCs they ship, well then they wouldn't get to write these nice pieces about how WOWZOR! Vista is doing even better than even we could expect! WOW, please buy our stock now kthx.

Anyhow. Cheers.

Re:Expectations (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899209)

Wall Street Analysts lowered their expectations... undoubtedly from reading Slashdot. Microsoft knew this and therefore came up with the whole profit deferment scheme so they'd come out beating market expectations and their stock price would get a significant bump. Let's wait and see what their next earnings report looks like... I suspect it won't be nearly as nice.

Maybe Vista does make sense (5, Insightful)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898899)

Maybe this does make sense after all. Here's why:

Windows XP is a very mature operating system. People rarely experience lockups (I haven't had one for months), it looks OK, it's speedy with today's hardware and it is far more secure than it was a few years ago.

The point is that XP is good to those who currently use it. Those who want 'more' just get Vista. Maybe XP and Vista is going to co-exist longer than any of MS:es previous operating systems ever have before, simply because both products are good (or at least Vista will be in half a year or so). Previously, we had 2K and XP competing, and before that 9x/Me and 2K, where we had a clear winner in both operating systems. Now I can't say that Vista is a clear winner to XP, but rather a good 'alternative'.

Yes, Ubuntu and OSX are great alternatives, but it takes a lot to make a user switch an operating system entirely, so I am not taking this into account.

Re:Maybe Vista does make sense (1)

ks*nut (985334) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899221)

Well, if you don't take the folks who switch operating systems Microsoft damned well better. There are people in charge of corporate systems that are fed up with Microsoft spewing out crap for code and then issuing patch after patch over a period of years. Certainly a single user switching from one operating system to another doesn't even show up on Microsoft's radar. But when buildings full of users switch there will be a real hit on Microsoft's earnings.

You can fool some of the people some of the time...

Re:Maybe Vista does make sense (2, Insightful)

hexed_2050 (841538) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899511)

It is a clear winner. Sure people on Slashdot will be the first ones to tell you it's garbage, but if you actually sit down and really go through it and learn the new security measures in Vista, you will begin to love it as a system administrator.

Why do I say you'll love it as an administrator? Well let's just put aside for one second our gripes about Microsoft and the fact that they are a monopoly and just focus on comparing it to XP...

What is one of the most nagging, worst things that a system administrator will tell you he/she hates about XP? This is easy... It's the fact that it is almost impossible to log a person in as a 'normal user' in a corporate environment and not have them calling IT every two seconds to install a new piece of hardware or do something that a system administrator can only do. Therefore what ends up happening? Come on, we all know.. 99% of Windows users are logged in 24/7 as an administrator level account which allows people to pick up a ton of wanted gems such as malware, spyware, This all changes in Vista. After system admins sit down and really READ what is new and PROPERLY understand it, they will begin to love UAC because for once, Microsoft users will actually be able to be logged in as a simple user instead of an administrator all day long.

There are so many great things that Vista offers over XP, but UAC once you understand it is one of the best for the corporate environment once you understand it internally and how to harness it in a GPO domain environment.

Yes, I do wish that we could just deploy FC6 across our networks, but let's face it.. it's not happening anytime soon so I'll welcome Vista because it's light years ahead of XP in terms of assisting me do my job.

h

Hmm, this is odd... (4, Funny)

mattgreen (701203) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898907)

I've read so many predictions of Microsoft's demise here because of (admittedly well-founded) flaws in Vista. Surely this article is wrong! Maybe RoughlyDrafted can set the record straight for me...

Despite reports by who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898911)

>>Despite reports

Right, we all know not to believe anything we read. M$ FUD is the same as anti-M$ FUD

Denis the SQL Menace
http://sqlservercode.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

Not quite... (1)

mattgreen (701203) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898979)

Its more complicated than that. The MS FUD is always viewed with skepticism, but the anti-MS FUD is ALWAYS right. Full stop.

Not so quick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898915)

" Vista beat internal forecasts by $300 million to $400 million, "

Well, that'll take care of Bill and Steve, but what about the rest of payroll?

That's what I thought.

Microsoft is dying (1)

BeoCluster (995566) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898917)

"Excluding this figure, client revenue totaled $4.1 billion"

1 x Vista Ultimate licence = $1 Billion
=> this makes 4 licences sold in the world.

The last $0.1 Billion is for the Hotfix patch that enables writing on the hard drive at more than 1 byte per hour.

Someone had better tell Ballmer (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18898919)

"Vista Sales Strong, Higher Than Expected "

Then someone had better tell Ballmer. He's been saying forecasts were over-optimistic:

"Ballmer's comments came during a conference call with financial analysts in which he repeatedly hammered home the theme that sales forecasts for Windows -- Vista in particular -- have been "overly optimistic."

http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php/id;7680622;fp;1 6;fpid;1 [arnnet.com.au]

Obviously, Ballmer thinks people's "expectations" were "overly optimistic"; now we're being told they were overly pessimistic. There's a disconnect somewhere.

It is strange how (0, Troll)

anss123 (985305) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898957)

Microsoft always seem to do better this quarter, than the last. I'm starting to wonder if they're tinkering with statistics here. You know the saying... lies, damn lies and ..... Reminds me a bit on how unemployment always seems to go down in Britain, no matter what.

Re:It is strange how (1)

spikedvodka (188722) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899225)

ob 1984
Remember: He who controls the present controls the past, and he who controls the past controls the future...

Oh yeah, and the Ministry of Plenty is pleased to announce that the weekly chocolate ration has just been increased to 10 Grams a week

If you charge an arm and a leg, yes (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898961)

whats the prices on these things ? $299 to $550 or something ?

and they were making Dell and other producers PUSH these with new computers. it wasnt like customers had any choice. but then again, dell did not turn on their customers and switched back to providing xp again.

so how this is a pointer to anything ?

I am not worried about vista selling. (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898973)

I am worried about people starting sending around stuff in vista-only formats, which will bring back the days of the "can't read your document" mails.

As long as I can run a linux distro, if the rest of the universe prefers hogging down their hardware with vista, it's not my business.

Vista doesn't have any formats`, buttmunch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18899393)

Applications do. And you managed to turn a computer on an post this to slashdot? Will wonders never cease.

Does this include.... (1)

Gta-Klue (643989) | more than 7 years ago | (#18898989)

Ok, sales are up. But since every PC you buy has Vista pre-installed how can sales NOT be up? And does this take into account (like what happened with me), I bought my son a new PC w/Vista pre-installed. Nothing worked, wireless, sound, etc. So I wiped the drive and installed XP Pro.

So that counts as a Vista sale, but we are not running Vista. :/

Re:Does this include.... (1)

BradleyUffner (103496) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899263)

You still bought vista even if you wiped it. This is a financial report, they don't care if you are not using it, they still sold it to you.

Microsoft genius (-1, Flamebait)

justthinkit (954982) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899017)

(1) Create a crap OS.
(2) Force people to buy it (3) People can't stand it and buy a second OS (4) Crow about sales being up

Re:Microsoft genius (2, Interesting)

Junks Jerzey (54586) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899159)

Create a crap OS.

Oh come on. If it really were crap, then you wouldn't have 99% of major commercial software vendors targeting it as a primary platform.

Re:Microsoft genius (1)

Tanamo (945016) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899171)

Sounds reasonable. They're a corporation, they're not there to make a good OS, they're there to make money - if the two coincide then so much the better for the consumer, but nobody's forcing you to part with your money!

Vista is a major resource hog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18899021)

After about 30 days use, I reinstalled XP. My whole system just seemed to slow down and it became a chore trying to find drivers for a few of my devices. Drivers could have been the cause of the slowdown, but I suspect the stupidly active GUI. If I want looks, I'd buy a Mac. I wonder how Microsoft's dropping support for XP soon will affect educational and government venues. I know the local NOAA station is probably 90% Linux. Wonder if other gov't agencies will follow suit.

Re:Vista is a major resource hog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18899329)

Vista is slow for one reason only: it takes alot of CPU cycles to spy on your every action and prevent you from exercising your fair-use rights with your digital media in real-time. The whole OS is engineered from the ground-up as one giant piece of spyware. I tried Vista RC1 for a couple of months, threw up my hands, and switched to Ubuntu. Other than the fact that I have to redo my wireless ethernet card setup (ndiswrapper, proprietary binary, etc) every time Ubuntu downloads a kernel upgrade, I've been very happy. Well, I also can't seem to get X11 configured properly to run my Samsung 204B LCD monitor at 1600x1200 without blanking, but Ubuntu is still way better than Vista. At least it doesn't waste resources and electricity by spying on me and protecting me from the evils of fair-use.

I can see... (0, Troll)

freedom_india (780002) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899069)

I can see a million slashdotters throwing chairs at their desktops...-:)

Seriously, how come the evil empire refuses to roll over the die when it has faced the heat of Glasnost-Ubuntu?

Maybe what does not kill me makes me stronger???

There is no logic..

This seems to sound familiar.. (1)

mulvane (692631) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899083)

Didn't ENRON play a similar game with their reported earnings?

FUD! (2, Funny)

McGurk (661578) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899089)

What is WITH all the M$ FUD on /.??? Can't you just report facts in an unbiased fashion? What's with all this "Vista will fail" shit? All this "Vista don't work" shit? All this "Vista... " wait, hold on. Vista sales exceeding expectations? Lemme check my URL, hang on... Nope, this is /. Oh, wait, it must be one of those fishing sites exploiting vulnerabilities in IE7 in order to get my OSTG login information! DAMN YOU HACKERS!!

The Expectations Game (1)

DannyO152 (544940) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899093)

The performance is measured against Microsoft's public predictions. The stock market punishes severely any company that underperforms the predictions, thus, there is a real incentive to understate expectations, if one can still show growth.

So, is Vista a failure if it causes more XP licenses to sell? Money is money, one may argue. I expect that Microsoft really thinks about targets for the cash cow products not in terms of revenue goals, but in terms of installed base goals. If we see Vista discount pricing, it may be to accelerate progress towards those goals. After all, there will come a day when a customer will not have the choice to buy a new copy of XP and the OEM XP licenses die with the OEM machine.

M$ is lying (4, Informative)

surfduke (656872) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899137)

Folks.... it's a complete and utter smoke and mirror trick so investors won't begin bailing out. I sell Technology products to Schools and Universities.... To date, not one of our 4000 clients have ordered Vista. For those who have ordered new computers, 100% of them have said they will be erasing and putting XP on the new machine. Vista is as complete disaster for M$. It's their Newton.

Simple Explanations (3, Funny)

cordsie (565171) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899163)

The way I see it, this can be one of two things:

1) Vista is actually being well received, and selling like hotcakes despite all reports to the contrary.
2) Even MS-Excel has critical bugs when running under Vista, especially the version used by Microsoft's accounting department.

Re:Simple Explanations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18899315)

Also could be:

3) Both sides of "Is Vista doing well" argument are misrepresenting the figures for their own political ends. In reality Vista is probably not doing as badly as your average Ubuntu fanboy would have you believe nor as well as Microsoft would have their shareholders believe.

For the record I am an Ubuntu user and a Vista user.

Except in China (1)

The_REAL_DZA (731082) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899243)

Or at least that's what they're saying here [slashdot.org] ...

And how many times... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18899293)

How many times have we seen companies play games with the books to beat Wall Street expectations only to have to restate those earnings later? In short, who the hell knows what state MS is actually in?

Fas as whether MS is "dying," that's a bit of a tautology. When you're the dominant operating system of planet Earth, where do you go next? Mars needs Windows? There is only one direction for them to go and it ain't up.

You know, IBM beat back the government's anti-trust suit against them only to, in time, resort to essentially breaking themselves up in a desperate effort to survive. Their fall (and turn around) took a number of years to play out. MSFT thinks they "won" the anti-trust fight. Not only did they not win, they cut their own throats. If they were smart, they'd break the company up on their own. I doubt their corporate culture will allow for such thinking.

We'll see.

All I know is all those non-techie folk I told--all those years ago, all those times, "You should buy a Mac, they're easier," have started coming back to ask which Mac should they get.

Took 'em a while but they finally got the point...

Think about it.. (1)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899361)

Every news item reporting Vista's sagging sales has been from less than stellar "analyst" sites, Linux sites, or Anti-MS sites. Considering that none of these "sources" had access to actual sales numbers or MS revenue figures, this isn't all that surprising.

Might not be ALL real numbers.... (3, Interesting)

Dukebytes (525932) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899367)

I just spec'd out a new Dell for my dad. He wanted XP on it - but it only came with Vista. I told him that it should be OK......

He IS NOT a geek. But he does all his work and some photo stuff on his notebook and desktop. He HATED Vista. No driver for the printer, some software he uses won't work, had trouble with the camera etc... He was pretty pi$$ed when I talked to him... I told him maybe we could get Dell to give us XP and send Vista back and that would fix everything... (he has XP on the laptop and its OK :)

I tried to get Dell to trade it in, or give me credit, a discount on XP or something like that... but they blew me off and told me that I would have to send back the machine so I could then order the "open source" version. I talked to my dad and he just went nuts for a while and them said he would take care of it... So I figured that he was going to send back the machine and let me build one for him...

NOPE - he gave M$ more money and they also have another "Vista" user on the books... He went out and just bought a full version of XP. I didn't say anything other than OK I'll be up and get it loaded for ya... You have to know my dad... I already found all the drivers that he needs for XP. So everything should be fine.....

BUT IT JUST SUCKS!!!! I freakin HATE MS for this kind of stuff. Did you know that you CAN NOT downgrade Vista Home(any version) to XP - BUT the business versions are ALL downgradeable. You wouldn't want FORD to not buy windows because they have to use the CUTTING EDGE CRAP that we will be QCing for them for the next six months. BUT its OK to screw joe user at home!!! I dont know why they would even make some one PAY for an OS at home.... I guess that 70trillion dollars a year from the businesses just ins't enough.

I would love to load BSD/ubuntu/etc... on my pops machine - I really would. But he's 60ish and NOT a geek and its just not there yet.

Yea M$ sales are up and they should have a column on the sheet that is headed "Customers outright screw and we still made money."

Geesh, I should learn how to write code so I can contrib...

Duke

To every Vista basher out there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18899373)

You have lost the right to complain

Excuses, Excuses (1)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899425)

The rumors of Vista's demise are greatly exaggerated.

Critical reasoning... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18899463)

Time to employ a little critical reasoning here kiddies:

Excluding this figure, client revenue totaled $4.1 billion, 30 percent higher than last year.' Microsoft Chief Financial Officer Chris Liddell said Vista beat internal forecasts by $300 million to $400 million, and Office 2007 sales were $200 million better than expected."

1) 30% increase in client revenue could mean that a lot of people were buying new computers this year and since Vista is the only option on OEM systems (for the most part) then they can say "HAY!!! Everyone loves Vista! Look look look!!". Bullshit quotient = 10.

2) Sales of Vista beat internal forecasts??? Who knows what those were??? And that amounts to, what, 600,000 copies of vista sold worldwide? So they could have expected to sell 100,000 copies and ended up selling 700,000. In the grand sceme of things that's a grand failure for this over-hyped piece of shit... but look at M$ eating it and smiling. Bullshit quotient = 50.

3) Again... if they expected Office 2007 to sell practically nothing then trumpeting how they sold $200 million more than expected is meaningless. Without numbers to compare against or to derive the stats by all you have are statistics that are nothing but their own self-congratulatory hot air. I think my bullshit meter just broke... SHE CAN'T HANDLE THE STRAAAAAIN, CAPTAIN!!!!

Remember (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899469)

accounting is funny stuff.

This goes for ANY company:
When a company seems to be doing better then the market indicates, look at the numbers very closly.

Were there 'expectations' lower than reasonable? Are they counting units moved to outlets, or the unit's then sold?

What is there deal with outlets? can they return unsold stock*? How many lisenses did DELL purchase that it's not using?

Windows is for sissies (2, Interesting)

messner_007 (1042060) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899477)

Windows =computer.

There will always be a lot of sissies, that use "computers". And computers are those with this cute start button in the left corner, right. The reality is, that those are the majority of the people. This is a fact.

So there was this previous Wins family and there will be the Vista generation. Very few will actually pay for it (predominantly those who must), but most of earthlings will use it. What can we do about the stupidity of earthlings ? Do we have to do something ? Maybe we should.

Oh.....nevermind! (1)

notaprguy (906128) | more than 7 years ago | (#18899487)

Guess the several individual /. posts about doom and gloom for Vista and MSFT may have been just a little overblown....
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