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Easy MP3 Distribution

Nathan posted more than 14 years ago | from the Digital-Hot40 dept.

Music 355

capncook writes "There is a cool new tool out there called Napster that allows anyone to become a publicly accessible FTP site- tapping in to that huge resource of personal mp3 collections that everyone has, but have not been able to share. It's still in beta, but the bugs are mostly harmless, and it certainly does the job- although no Linux version is yet available. RIAA should be scared out of their minds because users are not logged on permanently, so it's hard to track them down to take legal action. "

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Search (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526733)

Search engines are still the best way to get mp3s IMO.

Not exactly new (3)

nd (20186) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526734)

I would just like to point out that Napster has been out for quite a LONG time. In fact, it's been out long enough for people to copy the concept (take a look at CuteMX, or whatever it's called). It's basically the same concept, except generalized to support all media and not just mp3.

To buggy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526735)

this program is just to buggy, not to mention ugly. Someone needs to come out with a version more stable, and with a better user interface

There is a Linux version (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526736)

Actually, there is a Linux version. You just need to visit napster's channel on efnet, and download it from one of the bots. It's text based, but it still rocks.

This news is as old as the crust on my underwear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526737)

Where was the staff at slashdot when napster came out? man this is OLD news. RIAA is already suing Napster right now.

Full version out (1)

Robert S Gormley (24559) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526739)

Napster 2, full version is out now, and fixes a lot of the annoying bugs.

It is very good in that unless the user you choose to download from logs off the net while you're downloading, you're guaranteed that the search results are accurate.

These results are further grouped by ping speed, line speed, and optionally, sample rates, and so forth.

The choice is obviously limited by who is online at the time, but is generally very good.

The only concern I have, re the comment about the RIAA, is that they could much more easily attempt to shut down Napster itself, rather than the individuals using it. Napster doesn't give out IP addresses etc.

duh (1)

refoo (66670) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526741)

get your story straight, it's been around for a
while, and there is a linux version.
http://www.gis.net/~nite/

RIAA is taking legal action. (2)

ryder (111) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526743)

According to the mp3.com article here [mp3.com] the RIAA is planning to sue the people/company behind Napster.

Even though the files swapped around on Napster could theoretically be 100% legal, the RIAA is suing. This is prety similar to what happened when the Diamond Rio came out. Sadly this time the company they're suing doesn't have deep pockets to fight back with.

The recent tactics of the RIAA are very disturbing, but I'm pretty sure that most people saw it coming. The worst part is that there's no one to stop them either. Yet.

Re:Search (1)

Harvey (22651) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526744)

Search engines are still the best way to get mp3s IMO.

I'd tend to disagree. oth.net for example is 95% ratio sites, bad directories, full servers, missing files, etc. etc. etc. Tools like Napster, which make finding mp3s easer should really scare the RIAA. In other words, I love that kind of software ;)

--
Harvey

Did you have to announce it to the world? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526745)

Napster has been around for couple of months now. I think the reason it has lived this long is because no one really knows about it, save for those who spread knowledge of its existance through word of mouth. Thanks for killing it by telling the whole world. I'll bet the RIAA is gonna take down Napster like a whore on friday.

For those of you not familiar with it: (1)

Roofus (15591) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526747)

Napster is the ultimate in mp3 sharing.
Imagine this:
A huge online community with hundreds of users sharing over 100,000 songs. Each person shares what they have, and each person can download any song from any person, with no ratio! Its like Mp3 communism, but cooler :) There is a nice little search engine on it, so you may find the song your looking for quickly and easily, and it even shows the users connection speed so you can pick that nice T3 to download from instead of the 14.4.
Too bad the RIAA is going to sue them to oblivion.....:(

security? (3)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526748)

Opening your HDD to the globe is one thing (http, ftp) but an unknown protocol on an unknown port? hmm. I didn't see enough explanation (or source) to re-assure me this would be a good idea.

For those that don't know but are afraid to ask: (5)

Imperator (17614) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526749)

Napster is a Win32 program (with a text-based Linux beta version that also sorta works) with a poor GUI. It allows you to share your MP3s with all other Napster users and vice versa. You tell Napster how fast your connection is; many people abuse the system by claiming to have a 14.4 so that no one ties up their bandwidth as they download. Napster catalogs your MP3s (those in a directory tree you specify, anyway) and reads their ID3 tags to get searchable information about them. It (I'm guessing here) sends it to the server. You can then search for what you want and download it. Napster supports queued, paused, and resumed downloads, but because of the peer-to-peer nature of the file transfers, you can't be guaranteed that you'll find the same person again. There's also an IRC-like chat feature, which I haven't looked at very much. A disclaimer when you login warns you that they can't take responsibility for any of the content, but very little of it is legal.

Executive summary: if you have a Win32 box, install it and see how easy it is to get (RIAA/lawyer-owned) MP3s. (If you're into that sort of thing, you'll probably like Napster.) If you don't, look at their site and get a better idea of what it does.

Re:Search (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526750)

Odd, I've found them to be almost useless. The vast majority (over 90%) of the hits will be no longer valid. What search engine do you use?

Napster & University Networks (1)

Kalrn (115485) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526751)

Heh, Napster ain't new...my university's residential hall network already blackholed it. :P

Re:Search (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526752)

nah, IRc is the best way, 10000 BOTS, 100000000000 FILES, no adds

have you seen this? (3)

mnemon1c (51802) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526753)

one of the best MP3 search engines is starting thier own "napster" like project. goto http://www.audiogalaxy.com/betatest/
it is a simpler client, and linux client is coming out soon

Re:This news is as old as the crust on my underwea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526754)

Yep, Slashdot.org, news for the people that are too slow and too dumb to lookit up else where...

FAce it, /. isnt uptodate or relevant

I wont be supprised if YAHOO doesnt copy /. and make a nerdnews.yahoo.com or geeks.yahoo.com that is a /. clone with a similar style. But uptodate.

Re:RIAA is taking legal action. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526755)

Wow, with every lawsuit, more and more publicity for mp3s for complete newbies.

And I for one will copy 1000 more mp3s for every lawsuit by RIAA and MPPA

Re:FBI? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526756)

Maybe I'm paranoid - but what if this program is put out by the FBI or the RIAA?

How better to find, charge, and scare the hell out of MP3 traders than to produce a program that gathers all the evidence for 1000 counts of violating the digital copyright act?

Just a thought.

Re:For those of you not familiar with it: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526757)

Open source it, they cant stop a free program esp ones its free!!!

RIAA is gona fuck them selves out of existense, i predict now there will be 3 clones of that program out that are opensourced.

Well... (1)

jdube (101986) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526758)

this sounds like a cool idea. Too bad that the l337 $kr1p7 k1dd33$ that will, unfortunatly, eventually log on and try to "haX0r" your computer. That's why I sit here with all incoming ports closed and accost these 3l337 d00d3$. I had one saying he knew C better than anyone... when asked what a pointer was, he said "well, it points to something, you dumb fuck!"
One of the guys on that particular IRC channel got so pissed of he got on the kid's box found out his address and home phone. The kid recieved ten pizza deliveries that night alone >:)
MUAHAHAHAHAH... *puts pinky to left corner of mouth*
OK now that I've gotten a -5 for going off on a tangent I think I'll stop... I'm already at -3 karma *sniff* ;~(


If you think you know what the hell is really going on you're probably full of shit.

Re:There is a Linux version (2)

Fletch (6903) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526759)

http://www.gis.net/~nite for the linux version. its similar to bitchx/ircii

Re:How is this different from a normal ftpd? (1)

Fletch (6903) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526761)

no, the one who wrote up the 'story' really isn't right. there's no 'ftp' inolved. napster is a means of file sharing (specifically mp3) and chat.

Napster, et al. (5)

davidu (18) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526762)

Ok, here is the low down:

First: the RIAA has already taken legal action against Napster. They story is here [mp3.com] .

Second: Another program by the folks who make CuteFTP called CuteMX is out. It seems however, that GlobalSCAPE the company that makes it, has removed it from their servers [cutemx.com] . Maybe they are scared of what is happening to Napster.

I am sure I am gonna get in trouble for this, but I have a version of the Win 95/98 CuteMX exe here [middlepath.com] . I would appreciate it if people would mirror it quickly, so not to saturate the cable modem...thanks
-Davidu

No Teenagers in Residence buy CD's anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526763)

About 75% of the people on my floor have this and use it actively to increase their MP3 connection. On ResNet (ethernet to your room) people can easily suck in 50 songs in an evening. You can almost always get the songs you want. It's a complete joke. None of these people are ever going to buy CD's again.

Open Source it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526764)

The napster protocal is non-complex, and if napster goes down or even if they don't someone is going to duplicate their idea and make it open source, Napster should take the initiative and do it themselves so they will not be the target of the RIAA, This might impact their plans to make a million bucks off of the program but it just isn't going to happen.

I shudder to ask, but... (1)

crayz (1056) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526765)

Is there a Mac version for any of these things?

Especially the AudioGalaxy thing pisses me off. The fucking thing is Java and it only works on Windows? Does anyone else see a problem?

Positive review of Napster (1)

antic (29198) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526766)

evolt.org [evolt.org] has a positive review of Napster here [evolt.org] , with a walkthrough on how to use it. A couple of people have posted follow ups with some extra info.

As others have posted, Wired is reporting [wired.com] that the RIAA is suing Napster - because apparently alot of Napster traffic is made up of unauthorised music.

Alot of Internet traffic relates to illegal activites, etc, so err, let's sue it! ;p

Re:Did you have to announce it to the world? (1)

Fletch (6903) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526767)

if being on the front page of cnet.com, zdnet, wired, and mp3.com is being hidden, then yeah, its been hidden. =)

RIAA is so scared that.... (2)

MrP- (45616) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526768)

they are suing Napster...

more info here: http://www.wired.com/news/b usiness/0,1367,32559,00.html [wired.com]

Also, Napster was first featured in wired nov 1 over here: http://www.wired.com/news /technology/0,1282,32151,00.html [wired.com]

I've had napster for about a month now, there have been MP3s ive been looking for for about 6 months that I found thanks to napster.... the author is young so I hope he is thinking about security also, I dont want someone gaining access to all my files through this...

#----------------------------
$mrp=~s/mrp/elite god/g;

Re:security? (1)

Fletch (6903) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526769)

its not going to help much, but i can assure you its secure. napster and crew are /very/ big on security.

Re:I shudder to ask, but... (1)

Trejus (87937) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526770)

There isn't. Most of the mac owners I know use virtual pc to emulate windows and then run napster.

Re:How Is This Different From Hotline? (2)

Imperator (17614) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526771)

Hotline requires that clients download from a server. With Napster, everyone's a client to one central server (perhaps equivalent to a Hotline tracker, or a web search engine) and the clients transfer files to each other directly (ala IRC).

Re:The RIAA seems scared (2)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526772)

Yeah. And my car could be used for smuggling, so maybe we should outlaw automobiles?

RIAA = Another feudal kingdom trying to turn back the clock on the modern world. And their legal fund dwarfs yours, so you're screwed.

We need to set up some scripted servers to absolutely flood the net with automated trades of legal MP3s, and let them go bankrupt paying lawyers to go through all the traffic.

--
It's October 6th. Where's W2K? Over the horizon again, eh?

Sorry, but it's itching... (0)

Rotten (8785) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526773)

Why in the earth should we use this?
Why not enabling a "simple script" (TM) to search your /home/ftp/pub and post it contents to a central server, and then making another "simple script" (TM) to connect to that server and make searchs on it?
Why reinvent the wheel? (or the ftpd in this case)

I'm sorry, I don't buy...


Leave your opinion about starting a project like this, but opensourced...I know there are many maniacs around there..

Does anybody care anymore that this is Illegal? (1)

Fyndlorn (88381) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526774)

Not the software of cours,e but what it will be used for. Its just plain sad, how blatent people and Slashdot for that matter are about not caring that good music is being ripped off. As a music fan, I find it to be very very dissappointing how prevelent the sharing of mp3's has become. IF there are any other actual music fans out there please keep in mind that you are really going to hurt the industry and your favorite bands; because, while the bands themselves make very little from record sales, it does determine how much airtime they get and if/when they go on tour. Just a little something to think about. Sadly, Fynd

Re:There is a Linux version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526775)

Looks completely useless to me. No source. They even clarify: There are no current plans to make this project open source. This issue is really up to napster. He created his own protocol for the purpose of him having direct control over the clients, so I'm abiding by his wishes by keeping it closed source. Open source would make this a lot easier to do, but his reasons for not opening the protocol up to the public are quite valid.

How can I possibly run this software when the source is not available? Do you trust it?

a few things (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526776)

A few things about Napster.

1. Napster has been out for a while, so this is really not news.
2. The beta version was horrible. It was practically unusable.
3. The RIAA is suing Napster.

Napster isn't prepared for load... (1)

SadisticFury (75530) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526777)

One major problem with the whole thing, is the huge reliance on the server. Technologies like ICQ, for example, rely minimally on server-based apps, letting Netscape give it away for free... When you use Napster, you can tell the immense server load: it takes almost 5 minutes to load the list of chatrooms, and even longer to find a file. With the law suits, I wonder how Napster is supporting this entire enterprise... I see no advertising in the program, and they give it away from free... hmm...

ok, heres basically what napster is.. (1)

MyNameIsJonas (75593) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526779)

it's a program that allows you to transfer mp3s like you're on a LAN.. those of you in college know what I'm talking aobut..

Re:Search (1)

thetbone (111767) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526780)

Then obviously you've never used Napster before. Thats what I thought as well until I tried it. I downloaded over 300 **specific** songs in a matter of a few hours. Its fairly buggy but more than good enough for now.

Re:Does anybody care anymore that this is Illegal? (1)

volkris (694) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526781)

That doesn't make sense...

First of all, for many people mp3s is the only way they'll get the music. I'm too poor to buy any CDs, so if I'm not going to pay for it either way, why not not pay for it and hear it anyway? Noone looses, and I gain.


More importantly, I would think that airtime is more determined by people calling in and requesting music, plus the personal likes of the DJ, how do record sales fit into it at all?

In fact, if music gets less airtime, then it means other music will take its place, meaning more bands will get exposure or at least more music will, and isn't this a good thing? You might never hear some really good music from a little band because the well known stuff is hogging the airwaves.


It's only in the going on tour part that you may have a point. Of course, I don't think sales are really all that affected by mp3s anyway.



Chris Carlin

Re:The RIAA seems scared (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526782)

You can't forget to outlaw e-mail and ftp while you're at it... hell, why not just outlaw any form of digital communication... it could be used for piracy!



Dr. E

Re:Napster, et al. (2)

davidu (18) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526783)

Ok, there is now a mirror at Xdrive [xdrive.com] I dunno if it'll work...maybe, hehe

-Davidu

Server? (1)

Sleepyguy (12339) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526784)

This won't be cool until I can run my own server. Puleeze when the feds knock down napsters door and snags his logs noone is safe.

We need an open source server and client pair. Or else it's useless.

Isn't this just hotline with a built in mp3 player?

Re:The RIAA seems scared (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526785)

You can't forget to outlaw e-mail and ftp while you're at it... hell, why not just outlaw any form of digital communication... it could be used for piracy!
&ltgtshakes head&gt
Dr. E

Re:Sorry, but it's itching... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526786)

Mainly because it's a win32 centric program...just with a linux client on the side.

Re:For those that don't know but are afraid to ask (1)

Ashen (6917) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526787)

Question: Which is worse? People who run mp3 sites that require a people to click on a banner to get the login and password thus them making money off of piracy, or people sharing mp3s without making money off of it? Hmm... maybe the RIAA should sue all ftp-server makers while they are at it...

Re:For those of you not familiar with it: (1)

thetbone (111767) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526788)

i agree, it'd be in the best interest of the RIAA if they just bought them out, if they shut them down surely they'll release the source code, and then who do they sue? Why don't they just accept the internet is here and develop a business model, I'd pay a reasonable amount for mp3 (and software), but if you gouge me, I think I'll just take it for free thank you very much.

Re:Full version out (1)

An Ominous Coward (13324) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526789)

Um... no, they're back to Beta 4. Napster is still just as big a piece of crap as always. Their client is buggy as hell and their servers are crashing all the time. I mean really, these people could work for Microsoft.

Re:The RIAA seems scared (2)

miracle69 (34841) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526791)

That's probably not a bad idea.

What would happen if you took the names of the top 10 songs each week for the past...say,...10 years, renamed a legal mp3 with those names, and sent it out. Would that be illegal?

Some could argue that it was diluting the recognizability of song titles, and the RIAA might try to sue because of watering out the market, but, I can think of about 10 songs of the top of my head that are titled "One".

If you were to receive a mp3 titled "One.mp3" - what band made it? They would have no choice but to listen to all mp3s traded and determine the license. On a massive scale, especially with freely tradable mp3s, you would effectively nuke their campaign. No matter how big their coffers are, it would take an unbelievable amount of manpower to listen to all mp3s traded to determine if one was illegal.

Re:This news is as old as the crust on my underwea (1)

Spirilis (3338) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526792)

Hahaha, yeah right, Yahoo being up-to-date? Like that's ever going to happen. Their news aren't half as up-to-date as CNN's is.

Rio Lawsuit and Hard drives (2)

miracle69 (34841) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526793)

Didn't the Diamond Rio lawsuit basically state that the law says record companies lose all copyright ownership once the data on the CD hits a hard drive?

I was under the impression that it did, and if it did, then they're screwed. Even though I have the capability to rip and encode simultaneously, I put the data on the HD first. Gogo is so fast, it doesn't really matter, and this would slide me through the nice little loophole in the law.

Re:Does anybody care anymore that this is Illegal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526794)

Uh-oh, you opened a can of worms. I agree with you, but I'm not going to post much on that. There are certain things that I just don't post about because some people on Slashdot are so stubbord that they make me not want to stick around for the interesting give-and-take with the more reasonable people on the other side of the fence. These subjects include piracy, taxes, and politics. Oh yeah, and licensing.

Re:Does anybody care anymore that this is Illegal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526795)

I don't care. The recent actions of the RIAA is fueling my desire to pirate even more. I vow not to buy another CD. I will from now on pirate it all. I think the RIAA should be made illegal. I don't like them shoving their god damned pocketbooks around and depriving people of a constitutional guarantee: Due Process.

napster is overrated imho (5)

Ater (87170) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526796)

First of all, I may be redundant, but I would like to emphasize the napster has been here for quite some time, there is a Linux port of napster [gis.net] , and the RIAA already has sued napster, as shown in this article [slashdot.org] .

Now that I have said that, I still have to wonder why napster is getting so much press as the next big mp3 thing. I have used it many times, and occasionally still do, and I find it to be nothing more than a glorified http search. Here are listed some the biggest flaws I found in napster. Note: I don't want to start a flame war, I honestly want to know why napster is such a big deal considering its vast problems.

1. Quality of mp3's - Napster is cool in that it lets you specify bitrate, but to be honest, that doesnt mean much at all. Try searching for a popular band, say Nirvana at "atleast" 128... you'll find 100's, but then try searching at "at least" 192, you'll find like 3 at most. Its search engine is a little bit better, but it doesnt change the fact that most of napster's content is regurgiated ratio ftp stuff, and the rare high quality songs are just renamed mp3 group releases (apc,bkf,rns,ksi,etc...) that are much quicker to get on irc. It's cool for the people that just want to find a quick song regardless of quality, but really no use for anyone who is knowledgeable about mp3.

2. Server Connections - I have frequent problems getting on the server, I find large amounts of lag when trying to join the channels, and I noticed something else odd. Whenever I leech from a "hot list" site of mine that is online, and I reconnect to the server, the hot list site is no longer to be found online. This has prevented me from getting a lot of complete mp3's/albums.

3. Downloads - Maybe it's just me, but downloading seems a lot slower running through napster's servers. Same goes with viewing lists. If it's not the servers fault, it could be the clogged upload on the other box (see point 4), but I'm on dsl and a rarely get >isdn speeds even when downloading from a t3. Also, why isn't there a way to save queues in case a user logs off in middownload... that would save me lots of time, and why it isn't in is beyond me.

4. Upload control - Herein lies the huge problem. Napster is about sharing, and I'm cool with that, but it gives you NO control over outcoming file transfers. Whats wrong with letting someone limit the amount of downloading users on their box? Whats wrong with killing a user in middownload to save bandwidth? It can really add up on high speed, high content boxes which tend to be targeted en masse for downloads. I can see why colleges are cracking down on napster and blocking it... napster refuses to allow upload limits, the resnet box uploads vast amounts of mp3's, and the college network will obviously experience some drop in speed as this adds up. It's the person's own computer and files... they should have the right to control access to it. I usually put my files in a dummy directory to avoid being leeched to a halt while downloading because of napster. Which brings to me another point... that devious close scheme... if you click the "X" icon to exit, napster only minimizes. For someone inexperienced, this leaves their box continuing to upload files without the user's knowledge. Yet another reason colleges such as UIUC would ban napster... I bet students "closed" napster and it u/led and consumed lots of bandwidth without the student being able to tell it was only minimized. Sure I want to encourage sharing, but deception and force is NOT the way to do it. I trust that users would rather share their files if given some control than hide their archives to avoid napster's ridiculous "sharing enforcement" scheme.

I'm not totally dissing on napster, because I have found some cool stuff there. But, it still has a long way to go from the buggy program it is now. Maybe when some bugs are fixed, people will be closer to their little online cyber-music community. But right now, napster seems more like hype and hoopla, and private ftp sites and irc will remain my methods of choice for getting mp3's

It takes SIX MONTHS to find a particular MP3?! (1)

VAXman (96870) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526797)

The fact that you spent SIX MONTHS looking for one MP3 shows how cost ineffective MP3's are. Supposing you are a computer professional, your time is worth $50-$100 per hour. If it took six months, suppose you spent fifteen minutes per day trying to find the MP3. That means you spent $4,000-$8,000 to just get that one MP3. Now you could have got the CD for $15-$20. So not only did you con yourself out of $3,980-$7,980 but you also conned the hard-working artists and A&R people out of their share also.

I am a serious music lover and buy 5-10 CD's per week. If I were to switch to pirating MP3's instead of buying CD's, it would take me umpteen hours just to locate the music, download it, and burn it into CD's. I can buy 10 CD's in a one hour trip to CD store, for the cost of less than $200. It would cost me literally thousands of dollars to pirate the equivalent amount.

In my opinion, MP3's are only for the most casual music fans. Most of the specialized music is not available. I hope the RIAA takes agressive actions to end MP3 pirating, and I hope pirates are put behind bars. The people who pirate MP3's aren't doing anybody any favors: they waste network bandwidth like nobody else, they cheat artists out of their money, they raise prices for people who honestly buy CD's (not to mention put the whole concept of the music industry under question), and are spitting on the notion of property rights.

Please, for the sake of the future of music, for the sake of common sense, for the sake of humanity, for the sake of not wasting your life away waiting for your next batch of warez to arrive, please stop being a moron and STOP pirating MP3's. Thank you.

Taxes on blank media give you the right to pirate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526798)

You're paying for it, then you can sure as hell listen to it. What these people (RIAA) claim is ludicrous. Remember people: the RIAA is out to FUCK you and when you have the chance to FUCK them back then you'd better well do it. I'd say the chance is now.

About your "Hotlist" (1)

CuriousGeorge113 (47122) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526799)

Napster is still a bunch of different, un-conected servers, thats why you almost never see your friends online (they're loged into a different server). Napster officials are working to fix this problem, but until then. . . . .

Re:Sorry, but it's itching... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526800)

because on certain OSes ftp servers are not standard. it might even be more secure this way, but then it might not.

Re:There is a Linux version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526801)

Just pop up two xterms: one for Nap, the other for tcpdump. then see who the software is talking to.

RIAA will sue someone!!! (1)

absolute (71745) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526802)

RIAA should be scared out of their minds because users are not logged on permanently, so it's hard to track them down to take legal action.

Instead of tracking down the users who are running illegal sites, I think the RIAA would just sue Napster or whoever runs sites like them. Even though they would probably never win, it would sure scare the s**t out of most small companies, and bring them into compliance with the RIAA's wishes.

I'm not american so I don't really now much about US Law, but doesn't the new "Digital Millenium Act" or whatever it's called make it illegal to allow people to make available ways to obtain illegal warez such as MP3's etc...???

Re:FBI? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526803)

that would be entrapment

Re:It takes SIX MONTHS to find a particular MP3?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526804)

rotfl you know how avaiable getting stuff with napster is i just set it downloading when i go to work/sleep/school and i come back with 400 megs of new mp3s all in the time it took me 15-30 minutes to select so wheres your hour at the store now? 8

Re:Does anybody care anymore that this is Illegal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526805)

hold on
if the bands get very little, then it is even morally right to pirate.
I once saw a poster in Barnes & Noble showing how costly it was to print the book (like 1/2 the retail price) then the writer or the seller didn't get much money. (Of course BN own the whole backend, but that's another issue and they're probably lying but that's altogether another issue) So how much the IP owner is making on that item is pretty low but probably not insignificant.
The point is the bands do make money from CD sales and mp3s are cutting that. That's why they are a threat to the IP owners not the retailers or publishers.

Re:No Teenagers in Residence buy CD's anymore (1)

Clayboy2000 (115499) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526806)

I haven't bought a CD in almost a year and I hope it stays that way. MY Mp3 colletions is close to 2000 songs now and it feels almost rediculious spending 15 to 20 dollars so I can get 1 or 2 songs that I want to listen to.

This is my first post ,ever, so please be gentle :)

Re:Does anybody care anymore that this is Illegal? (1)

Ater (87170) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526807)

All right, I've responded to similar comments before, but hopefully I'll manage to get my side of the story without sounding like some hothead wannabe revolutionary.

Well first of all, as you noted "bands themselves make very little from record sales." and then you correlate record sales with the amount of airplay of band gets. But it is completely the other way around. Airplay and concerts are the true way a band actually gets started. Nobody would go out and buy an unproven band's album... what happens is they hear the song on MTV/VH1/Radio, like it, request it more, and maybe buy the cd. Airplay for singles generally occurs weeks before the record comes out and gives the band more exposure (of course so does mp3). Record sales occur as a result of this exposure, and not vice versa.

Also, mp3 isn't just for piracy reasons. Other key reasons for mp3 are bootleg and concert album trading (they don't sell them in stores, and many bands support/condone recording of concerts, and the band has already made money through the concert) and new artists (trying to get the exposure which leads to record sales and gigs). Granted, mp3 has become a huge pirate trend, but you have to admit, it is really a great thing to be able to find a rare track or an old favorite song you want without having to pay $18 for the whole cd.

I don't think any big mp3 collectors are trying to rip off artists and put them out of business. We still go to their concerts, buy their merchandise, and maybe even buy their albums. I'll be honest and say mp3 is popular because people don't want to have to pay out the ass for their music... let's be honest, $18 a cd is really ridiculous and eventually unaffordable when it adds up, and as you said the artist gets only a small cut. Actually, though part of my motive for mp3 getting is admittedly getting free music, I assure you that I would buy my music if it was at $5 a cd like it should be. And who knows, with all the pressure of mp3, maybe the RIAA will lower prices. If anything, I hope that the mp3 collectors will do some good and show the RIAA that they cant keep ripping off the average person in the name of the almighty dollar.

Also... (2)

LLatson (24205) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526808)

if you're into this kind of stuff check out oth.net. it let's you register your computer as a server in exchange for access to other's mp3 files. i haven't used it in a while (since i was in college) but it worked fairly reliably.

i'm not sure how different this program is.

LL

Sadly, not apparently.... (0)

VAXman (96870) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526810)

Yes, people who pirate MP3's are clueless. They are conning the machine that produces the very music they listen to out of their profits. They don't understand the difference between owning a CD of music, and owning the rights to the music. As I show in another post in this topic, it is far, far more cost effective to purchase the CD's than it is to pirate them.

If you are a serious music lover: look out, because the MP3 warez boyz are about to destroy the industry. I hope the RIAA puts them all behind bars before they succeed, but that chance is diminishing when technologies such as naspter, which were created explicitly for illegal pirating, are promoted in the mass popular culture like they are today.

The most serious problem with MP3's is the ill-informed "logic" which accompanies it: in some of the pirate communities it is common to hear "facts" such as "it costs fifty cents to make a CD" and the like. Anybody with any knowledge at all of the industry, knows that the cost of producing an album is quite high -- in the millions of dollars (think: production cost, music video, marketing, distribution, etc., etc.). The break even point is 500,000 and all of the artists which do not reach that (> 95%) are paid for by those who do.

Re:Rio Lawsuit and Hard drives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526811)

Record companies don't lose copyright ownership when you transfer between different formats/media. The lawsuit found that people have a right to transfer music (and probably any other data) between different types of media. You can do what you want with the music, provided it is for personal use (i.e. you can't distribute it or profit from it). It is basically the same as recording from TV with a VCR - as long as you don't sell the tape, it's perfectly legal.

The same thing happened years ago with VCRs - the movie studios were scared that everyone will pirate movies any nobody will buy them, and theaters will go out of business. They sued the makers of the VCRs, and lost. Now they make a fortune from the home video business. People *can* pirate movies (it's not exactly hard to do), but most people don't. I don't think the RIAA has anything to worry about - they will eventually be making lots of money from online music.

Re:have you seen this? (2)

dennisp (66527) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526812)

Sounds kind of cool. However, I'd rather leech hundreds of files off mp3 sites using favorable ratios when the admin is away.

When the RIAA starts busting single users for running sites, then these products may start to become necessary.

50% of my mp3 searching starts off at audiogalaxy though -- so maybe I should try it out :).
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Re:Sorry, but it's itching... (1)

Chameleon (5810) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526813)

"Why reinvent the wheel?"
Because Windows users are still walking around on their legs. :-)
--
Chris Dunham
http://www.tetrion.com/~chameleo/index.html

Re:Search (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526814)

Try www.audiogalaxy.com 90% of the sites work, usually. It has a filter to block ratio/ads sites if you don't want them. I've nearly found every song I've ever wanted.

It's not illegal, idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526815)

There is nothing illegal about the MP3 file format, and there are plenty of freely distributable MP3s.

well (4)

MrP- (45616) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526816)

first off, i dont have a job so i cant buy that many cds, my pc is my home pc, so it dont cost me money to waste my time looking for a song.... I have social phobia and havnt left my house since august(working on fixing this though)... and the song i was looking for was made in the 1940s, the singers are dead, so they wont profit from me buying their cd, plus the cd stinks, i hate their music, just this one song because it was on the xfiles once... i first got into MP3s by downloading metallica mp3s... guess what, even though i had tons of MP3s, i went out and eventually baught every CD, and deleted the MP3s... the only MP3s on my system now are single songs that i like but hate the rest so i wont buy the cd, i also have some mp3s i ripped from my brothers CDs, and then i have mp3s of TV theme songs, nothing big, leave me alone ::cries::

#----------------------------
$mrp=~s/mrp/elite god/g;

Re:It takes SIX MONTHS to find a particular MP3?! (1)

chrisbolt (11273) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526817)

Give me a break... if it takes you six months to find an mp3, you must have started searching in your garbage can. I can find any mp3 I want in under five minutes.

Plus, doing simple math: 6 months times 30 days in a month equals 180 days, times 15 minutes a day equals 2,700 minutes, divided by 60 minutes an hour equals 45 hours, times $50 or $100 equals $2,250 to $4,500, not $4,000 to $8,000.

Oh, and assuming your time is worth $50 an hour, and you sleep 8 hours a night, you have conned yourself out of $72,000 in just 6 months! For the sake of humanity, for the sake of not wasting your life away sleeping, please stop being a moron and STOP sleeping. Thank you.

Napster.. (3)

Weezul (52464) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526818)

Napster may go down the tube, but thisissorta their own fault for notmaking it open source. If it was an open source project the RIAA could not kill it since other people would pick it up or they could continue working on it in secret.

I would like to urge the people behind Napster to open source the project before it is too later.. or at least give the source out to trust worthy people with a lisence which GPLs the current Napster source if the company if forces to stop distributing it.

The good news is that now everyone knows about Napster and many many more people are probable using it now, so maybe the RIAA will actually cost themselves big time with this.. and even if they do shut down Napster an open source alternative may take it's place (though the running under Windows is importent for this type of program).

Finally, I believe it is time for those of us who wish topirate to begin developing technologies which aid in piracy. Napster is definitly the right approach since it makes it easy to make data available.

Jeff

BTW> A system that could deliver delayedmessages and make requests from your actual CD collection might be better for those hard to find songs though, i.e. it acts as a CD player too, but it records the songs allongwith your list of mp3s which are then made available. People can request that you rip a song for them and the ripiing process is almost totally automated, i.e. Napster or whatever would ask you to insert the CD for 5min.

Re:RIAA is taking legal action. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526819)

>And I for one will copy 1000 more mp3s for every lawsuit by RIAA and MPPA

Me too... That makes 2000. When does that lawsuit become to expensive? 10,000? 1,000,000?

Can be used for good as well as evil. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526820)

Like anything, it depends on the use. Yes, a lot of people are using this to rip off entire CDs. I run my own FTP site, 1 song per band. And I'm legit (small labels and bands love me!).
Sure, Sony hates it. But the music I listen to is a niche market, and rather than not risk $20 on an import, people listen to a track. If they don't like it, they throw it out or give it to someone who might like it. If they do, one track is enough to get hooked on it, then they buy the CD. I know a bunch of people who are buying more CDs due to this type of thing, not less.
Me, for instance.
And besides...
  1. it's not CD quality
  2. I like it, I buy it.
As I keep telling people, there's a good reason to buy the album: if enough people don't, fewer records released, and we all lose.

OK...smart guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526821)

Explain how it costs more to manufacture a CD than a cassette tape. (Hint: it doesn't. The big record companies charge more because they are ripping you off.)

It's NOT hard to tell IP's... (1)

Barbarian (9467) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526822)

All the RIAA people need to do is start a download from someone, then go netstat -a to see connections (in Windows 95 for example).

Re:Sadly, not apparently.... (2)

volkris (694) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526823)

> the cost of producing an album is quite high -- in the millions of dollars (think: production cost, music video, marketing, distribution, etc., etc.).

Think mp3: production cost for actual CDs goes to 0, production costs for recording and distribution to radio stations are payed by radio stations, production costs for music videos are paid by MTV, the radio stations and MTV thus end up doing the marketing by exposing it to the public....

Napster v2.0 Final (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526824)

Napster v2.0 Final is out, and I think it is one of the easiest ways to get music, but I own all of the CD's the mp3's come from...

People in glass houses... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526825)

... shouldn't throw stones. Clearly the RIAA is in a glass house and are indeed throwing stones.

Too bad people can be so blind. I think if you haven't already read it (or seen it) you should read "Animal Farm" by Orwell. It's a great example of how a very small group will shit on the rest of society. This is basically parallel to what the US is on the road to becoming. Some of the people who post here seem to be rather blind too I might add, chanting things like "it's illegal" and other such rubbish. Time to wake up and quit blindly following the law especially when it's so corrupt and tends to favor those with lots of power and money.

Re:Does anybody care anymore that this is Illegal? (2)

mabinogi (74033) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526826)

As a musician myself, I find it rather disturbing that there is something like this that is so blantantly designed for widespread piracy.

I spend a LOT of my time and money on my music, and some of it, I give away on mp3.com, and am quite happy for as many people to download and share as they like.
However, if I then put together an albumn, and sell it, I would like to think that I could expect people to buy it, and that I could make money off it.
Afterall, if it's my music, that I have spent my time, and my money on, so I think I have a right to sell it.

MP3's and the sharing of, even with a program like Nabster, don't in themselves hurt the music industry, but the people using them to share copywrited music with people that have not bought that music DO hurt it.
It is not automatically your RIGHT to hear someone elses music, something that they have put a lot of time and money into, they give you the right, either they'll charge for it, or they wont, but the right to hear it still has to be granted by the Artist.

A lot of people say that piracy like this only hurts the record companies, and not the artist, due to the artist getting only a tiny percentage of the albumn price, but they seem to miss the fact that the artist is still missing out on his / her rightful royalties.

Another argument people use, is the model of making money of merchandise and concerts, kind of similar to the 'give away the software, charge for the support' idea in the open source world.
The problem with this is, that starting artists do not have a big enough fan base to make money this way. And concerts / live gigs are only appropriate for particular styles of music, and more traditional bands, and are simply impossible for those of us that rely on multitrack hard disk recording and sequencing to produce our music.

Anyway....I'm rambling and I dont know what I'm actually trying to say...

except that theft by any other name is still theft
and Piracy == Theft.



Re:It takes SIX MONTHS to find a particular MP3?! (2)

dennisp (66527) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526827)

Naw. It only takes this long for the inexperienced. You can start off on audiogalaxy [audiogalaxy.com] looking for a particular band and then run into sites with hundreds of cds in the same genre. I only do this maybe a couple of hours a month and I have a pretty big collection. I have a 200+ legit cd collection to supplement this as well, though I won't pretend like I'm only downloading mp3's before buying cd's (though I do this frequently). Sometimes there are just one or two good songs on cd's but they aren't worth the 18-22 CDN. It is nice downloading and listening to future releases (usually 3 weeks - 1.5 months before their actual store release).

Note that the recording industry hasn't seen profits tail off as mp3's became popular. I'm not advocating piracy "because I think it doesn't hurt anyone", or "because all those musicians are incredibly overpaid" -- but seriously, they should overstate the effect mp3's has. I have all the cd's of my favorite bands [fatwreck.com] . All my friends who frequently pirate music as well have vast cd collections that are in the hundreds to thousands.
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Don't worry be happy! for mp3 (3)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526828)

Airplay, actually the whole radio/record company dynamic is based on a system of favors(collusion) now that payola scams get caught too easy.

Record companies tell radio stations to play so-and-so this many times a day and radio stations agree but they want 100 cd's to give away, concert tickets, promotial royalties for concerts etc.

Maybe even a promise for the band to come in for an interview, think they want to be up at 6am for your local annoying inane morning show?? Sure its promotion, but its mandatory for the band and they'll get in contractural troubles if they don't show up.

Phone calls to popular radio stations mean nothing. People are calling over and over again for a song thats on the playlist anyway. So the DJ might say, 'This one goes out to Carol in Woodridge.' Carol could have sat on her fat ass eating bonbons and saved herself the nickel and Ricky Martins would still be spewing from her box.

Who decides what bands will be aired is strictly up to the record companies. They *might* make their decision based on fan approval and quality of music, but from my experience its image + profitability + market saturation + minor ability in music. A million dollar studio and a band of good studio musicians plus a decent producer can even make Ricky Martin a star.

In the end copying music probably doesn't steal shit, most people wouldn't or couldn't buy most downloadable songs in the first place. And the ones who do 'steal' are, if they try REAL hard, taking pennies from multi-millionares and a few billionares. Most established musicians don't even care, its the record companies who stare all day at the profit margin, well except maybe Garth Brooks.



Re:Sadly, not apparently.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526829)

Facts:

(1). Artists make almost nothing from the sale of a CD.
(2). Artists make music.
(3). Record Companies Don't make music.
(4). Record Companies distribute music.
(5). Napster makes distributing music easy and free.

So, in like of number 5, what do the Record Companies do that can't be done for free? A simple say $20 a month to subscribe to a music service offering you anything you want in any quantity electronically is the solution. $15 of which goes directly to the artists you listen to, and the rest runs the system. Simple.

Why doesn't this happen? Because the Record Companies need to survive to make money. So they will continue along with the RIAA to pressure MP3 out of the market, because it is a threat to them.

I feel that I have had money stolen from me when I pay $20 for a CD. The movie Waterworld cost MUCH more to make than the Michael Jackson Thriller album, and sold much fewer copies. So why is it cheaper to buy? Because...... NO BLOODY RECORD COMPANY, that's why.

As long as I feel money is being stolen from me, I won't buy the product. If the product was $5-$7, I'd reconsider.

MP3 will not destroy the industry, they'll just make it better. And I have news for you, most "serious music lovers" don't listen to the latest and greatest. Since all the costs of production are paid off, why does an OLD copy of Michael Jackson's Thriller (used because it is the most popular record of all time) still cost $15 on CD? It should cost $2 ($0.50 for the CD, $1 for the Artist, $0.10 for distribution, $0.40 profit).

Re:Does anybody care anymore that this is Illegal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1526830)

You have a good point, and the reason I like mp3's is because I have found some of my favorite bands through this medium.

But the thing that people arent realizing, is that record companies make CD's because its profitable. When it ceases to be profitable they will either cease to make CD's, or drasticly increase prices. If you just read some of the comments here on /. people are already admitting that they dont buy as much music, and they plan to buy even less.

Now maybe it doesnt directly hurt some of the bigger artists, but a lot of the underground bands/tiny labels take a beating, because the tiny labels rely on sales that much more. If labels dont make money bands dont get paid as much, its that simple. my $.02

Re:It takes SIX MONTHS to find a particular MP3?! (2)

dennisp (66527) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526831)

should == shouldn't. Also note that I greatly enjoy trading songs of local bands from all around the world who want to get known. It's a great way for them to become popular.

I'm sorry, I'm evil. I can't help it. At least I'm not selling CD's :).
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Re:To buggy (1)

Benley (102665) | more than 14 years ago | (#1526832)

They are working on a new client, just deal with it for now... the awesome usefulness of the one that's out far outweighs it's kludgy interface.

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