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The PSP - Sony's Missed Opportunity

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the too-bad-so-sad dept.

Portables (Games) 157

C|Net passes on the words of Forrester analyst James McQuivey, who lambasts Sony for failing to live up to the opportunity the PSP presented. Though the handheld has certainly been doing better of late, it's hard not to point out that the PlayStation Portable's sales numbers flag in the face of the DS's incredible popularity. McQuivey also makes a point of stating how well the system could have done at taking a slice of Apple's death-grip on the downloadable media market. "'The thing is, Sony could have been all this,' McQuivey said. 'The Sony PSP is one of the best portable entertainment media devices that anyone has come up with in years. It has a relatively big screen, plays video beautifully, has good storage and audio. It could have been the first big mobile carrier for TV shows and movies.' Instead, the mobile-video play of one of the world's largest electronics companies is straggling behind Apple, has shaken the confidence of supporters--especially in Hollywood--and added to the woes of CEO Howard Stringer."

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Has Good Storage?!?!? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18933959)

has good storage

Help me out here. Video iPods have either 30GB or 80GB of storage built in. The PSP has freaky non standard "disks" that users can't burn or proprietary flash storage that nobody outside of Sony uses, nothing built in.

Re:Has Good Storage?!?!? (-1)

The PS3 Will Fail (998952) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934165)

"proprietary flash storage that nobody outside of Sony uses, nothing built in."
The PSP uses standard SD cards, which are manufactured and used in many devices having nothing to do with Sony. [Full disclosure: I don't like Sony.]

Re:Has Good Storage?!?!? (2)

Fulg (138866) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934221)

The PSP uses standard SD cards, which are manufactured and used in many devices having nothing to do with Sony.
If by "standard SD cards" you mean "Sony MemoryStick Pro Duo", then yes.

Or is there a secret SD slot that I haven't found yet on my PSP? [Full disclosure - I don't like Sony either]

Re:Has Good Storage?!?!? (3, Funny)

Hennell (1005107) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934349)

This is slashdot. I think the full disclosure is only needed if you like sony.

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Re:Has Good Storage?!?!? (1)

walnutmon (988223) | more than 7 years ago | (#18935217)

why hasn't Zonk posted the Dead Goat story yet? Does he hate fun?!

Re:Has Good Storage?!?!? (1)

SQLz (564901) | more than 7 years ago | (#18937905)

Here is the strategy....

"Now, what we'll do is, lock them into our own media form factor that is a SD card under the hood, but 1mm smaller on each side! Genious. Then, since they bought this $50 media card, all they will do is buy sony electronics that work with it for the rest of their life!!!! Awesome!"

"*Raise hand* What happens when the media card is obsolete in 3 months and they figured out that it doesn't work with 80% of the other devices on the market?"

Re:Has Good Storage?!?!? (4, Informative)

Apparition-X (617975) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934233)

Erm, no, it doesn't. Sorry. It uses Memory Stick, which is a Sony proprietary format. You can buy third party versions, but it is obvious that they pay a licensing fee to Sony. Compare prices for 2 GB memory stick to 2 GB SD both from Lexar, for example.

SD is proprietary too (0, Troll)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936047)

It uses Memory Stick, which is a Sony proprietary format. You can buy third party versions, but it is obvious that they pay a licensing fee to Sony. Compare prices for 2 GB memory stick to 2 GB SD both from Lexar, for example.
The competing product (Nintendo DS with SuperCard accessory) uses Secure Digital, which is an SD Association proprietary format. You can buy third party versions, but it is obvious that they pay a licensing fee to SD Association. Compare prices for 2 GB SD to 2 GB CF from the same manufacturer, for example.

Re:SD is proprietary too (1)

coaxial (28297) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938299)

Too lazy to type I see.

Re:SD is proprietary too (1)

fbjon (692006) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938447)

I just compared a SanDisk SD with a CF, same flash speed. SD: 32 euro, CF: 35 euro. It's been this way for a while now too.

You fail. :)

Re:Has Good Storage?!?!? (1)

fishdan (569872) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936667)

PSP plays a major role in my weight loss plan. Every day I copy an avi from my media library to my mac book pro. I convert it to PSP format with ffmpeg (which has a preset PSP format! Thanks!) which takes about 5 mins for 40 mins of video (a 1 hour show with the commercials stripped). I then copy the convert file to my psp from my mbp via usb which takes

You're refering to the UMD disks, which are indeed very proprietary, but about to go away to be replaced by downloadable movies [gamesindustry.biz]

Re:Has Good Storage?!?!? (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 7 years ago | (#18937957)

iPods have a lot of storage, but the battery doesn't last long enough to play 30GB of video. The battery on the PSP will last longer than the iPods playing video of the stick.

And the PSP has built in wifi/web browser/RSS/and the ability to stream from a PS3. Watch all your content, download more wherever you go.

ODD (2, Informative)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934017)

The criticism are somewhat valid but you can play non UMD movies on the PSP. Just stick then in mp4 in the right resolution on a memory stick and your good. It's be nice if it supported something other then memory stick or had a sizable internal drive. I do think Sony Music/Movies are clobbering Sony electronics/Games with demands to include things that are superfluous to the function of the device. I enjoy the bluray on my Ps3, I'd enjoy it more if sony pictures released downloadable movies.

Re:ODD (1)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#18935903)

If they were smart they would have left out the UMD drive and put a big fucking hard disk in there instead with a USB 2.0 port and the ability to download movies from online.

Re:ODD (1)

Sibko (1036168) | more than 7 years ago | (#18937619)

I enjoy the bluray on my Ps3, I'd enjoy it more if sony pictures released downloadable movies.
Err... if Sony Pictures released downloadable movies, what's the point in the bluray DVD player?

Re:ODD (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938071)

Waiting 8h for a movies isn't that convenient. I have 3.0 mbit internet the competitor offers up to 8.0 but thats cable so I get 8.0 only late at night. at either speed a 13 gig movie is a bit much for me. my time is worth more then the movie.

Re:ODD (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938615)

Shouldn't that be "convenience is worth more than the movie"?

It is not like you have to suck all the bits into your house with a straw. In fact, one could envision "renting" the movie the night before when the DL would be at its fastest.

Re:ODD (2, Insightful)

popo (107611) | more than 7 years ago | (#18937949)

Not true entirely. You can't play a movie off your memory stick at the PSP's full resolution. Why? Because Sony crippled memory stick playback to give UMD a visual advantage. Once again, Sony's efforts to lock in greater profits end up biting them in the ass. The PSP wasn't half as 'usable' as it could have been, and no self respecting geek wanted one because it was too crippled for effective video download/playback. Once again, Sony limits the options of the consumer -- and loses.

Re:ODD (3, Informative)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 7 years ago | (#18939429)

Not true entirely. You can't play a movie off your memory stick at the PSP's full resolution. Why? Because Sony crippled memory stick playback to give UMD a visual advantage.


Sure you can, though you'll need firmware 3.30+ to do so, Sohy removed the restriction a few weeks back.

Re:ODD (1)

aikouka (932902) | more than 7 years ago | (#18939433)

Any self-respecting geek would simply "hack" the PSP using a modified firmware (which is quite easy to do... as simple as the old XBOX softmods). Using these modified firmwares, you can play videos at different resolutions and even different containers (rather than just mp4).

I believe the hacks are the reasons why PSPs will start selling more combined with the new $169 price, which puts it only $40 more than the Nintendo DS Lite. Also, recently Sony finally shifted prices down on the older games using the Playstation's "Greatest Hits" moniker.

But in light of this article, which is about Sony screwing over the PSP... I don't think anyone would argue against it. Sony made some poor choices when it came to the PSP (and some may say when it came to the PS3 as well).

Betamax,UMD,BluRay (1, Insightful)

CK2004PA (827615) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934071)

Well, if Sony didn't force a non-standard propietary format (UMD) down your throat when you bought one they probably would have done better. They failed with Betamax, then UMD and now BluRay on the PS3Cast.

Re:Betamax,UMD,BluRay (3, Insightful)

JordanL (886154) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934187)

How is DVD any less proprietary? The only difference is that all the other companies went ahead and paid their licensing fees for it.

Add on top of that the fact that BluRay is outselling HDDVD signifigantly and the "PS3Cast" swipe and I can only assume that your post was nothing but flamboyantly anti-Sony diatribe.

Re:Betamax,UMD,BluRay (1)

renegadesx (977007) | more than 7 years ago | (#18935149)

DVD- was propierety, DVD+ was open.

Re:Betamax,UMD,BluRay (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936229)

Yeah, hate to break it to you, but BR has failed. Not against HD-DVD, but itself. DVD is good enough for 99% of the population. The sales figures validate this assumption as well. A higher price per disk, and new hardware for something that really all it has going for it is that it's "more digital" than the thing it wants so badly to replace is not what I'd call "compelling". Most of the population watches movies & TV on sub 30" TVs still, and pretty much will until the end of time. People only have so much money, and space to deal with.

Re:Betamax,UMD,BluRay (2, Interesting)

node 3 (115640) | more than 7 years ago | (#18937415)

Blu-ray has been out less than a year. A year after DVD was introduced, I'm certain VHS sales absolutely *dwarfed* DVD sales.

As time passes, more and more people will be buying HDTVs. Not necessarily 5' plasmas, but HDTVs nonetheless. As they do, they will want their movies in high def as well.

People only have so much money, and space to deal with.
I don't even remotely understand what you are trying to say here. People have *always* "only had so much money", and they bought TVs, computers, video players, etc. in the past. I don't see why they'll stop any time soon. As for space, a similarly sized non-CRT HDTV takes up much less space than a CRT.

The only way I can see HD-DVD or BD failing is if their uptake is so slow that a downloadable HD format overtakes them (this *should* happen, but you know how the movie industry is). But at this point, it's far too early to count either format out (although I wouldn't bet on HD-DVD, the adoption rate of both are still so low that either could win overall).

Re:Betamax,UMD,BluRay (4, Insightful)

GreatDrok (684119) | more than 7 years ago | (#18937467)

"Add on top of that the fact that BluRay is outselling HDDVD signifigantly..."

Remember how Betamax was *THE* video tape format early on but lost out to VHS in the long term because VHS machines were more widely and cheaply available. Many people assume it was porn but in fact it was price. HD DVD still has an opportunity to do the same so I don't think the current rates of BD sales are any reason the claim the format has won.

Re:Betamax,UMD,BluRay (1)

bogjobber (880402) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938701)

Reread that post because you obviously didn't the first time. He never claimed that Blu-ray has won the format war. He was simply pointing out that DVD is also proprietary and Blu-ray is far from being considered a failure, it is in fact probably leading HD-DVD.

DRM, vendor lock in, and... (1)

pallmall1 (882819) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934195)

consumer gouge adds up to dead goat [theinquirer.net] .

The topless babes are OK, though.

MOD PARENT MINUS 1 TROLL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18934721)

Er, Blu-Ray is dominating the HD video market. You're just trolling.

Re:MOD PARENT MINUS 1 TROLL (1)

pete6677 (681676) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936695)

Betamax dominated the VCR market as well. In the very beginning, that is.

From the Article (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18934125)

the movie industry was pulling for the PSP to emerge as a competitor to the iPod. Steve Jobs won big concessions from the music industry after running away with the digital music market. The film industry didn't want to be thrust into the same position.

In other words the Movie industry is hoping Sony succeeds because Sony will help "protect their profits", largely by forcing users to repurchase their movie collections and pay through the nose for any entertainment they want to watch. Any wagers on why the iPod with a smaller screen and bigger price tag is winning? Maybe consumers aren't the idiots Slashdot'ers think they are?

Re:From the Article (1)

KillerCow (213458) | more than 7 years ago | (#18935623)

the Movie industry is hoping Sony succeeds because Sony will help "protect their profits",


You do realize that Sony is in the movie business [sonypictures.com] , don't you?

Hmm... (3, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934213)

Despite my thoughts of Sony as a corporation, I must say that I love my PSP. I can rip any of my DVD's and play them right on there with absolutely no modding or anything necessary...I can sit in a coffee shop and browse the net...or I can pop in a game and just do whatever.

And of course, the v1.5 homebrew stuff is always fun.

Sure, the battery kinda blows (which can be very much helped with aftermarket bats) and the loading times a bit slow, but it's still a fantastic little toy.

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18935139)

> which can be very much helped with aftermarket bats

A lot of problems with Sony portable hardware can be helped with the application of a bat.

Re:Hmm... (1)

IvanTheNotSoBad (977004) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936243)

I can rip any of my DVD's and play them right on there with absolutely no modding or anything necessary
What software are you using to do that? And will it work with a non-modded PSP? You make it sound like it's just like iTunes where you just put in the CD, click rip, and you're done.

One thing is for certain, that software isn't from Sony.

Re:Hmm... (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 7 years ago | (#18937859)

Probably he's using PSP video 9 (or something similar) to do the encoding. But it's not difficult to do. Sony does offer their own encoding software, which isn't bad I hear. but most folks just use the free ffmpeg based stuff.

PSP and PS3 will share the same fate (2)

leather_helmet (887398) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934231)

It is interesting how SONY tried to position the PS3 in almost the same wayas the PSP

Super fantastic graphics that blow away the competition, feature X, Y & Z, Creepy commercials, etc.

Although the PSP sales numbers are not all that bad, it miserably failed to reach numbers even close to the DS...

Re:PSP and PS3 will share the same fate (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18934311)

What a fucking pathetic little fanboy.

Add homebrew unfriendly to the list! (5, Insightful)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934235)

Let's not forget the many asinine "security updates" they force fed to us early adopters to keep the homebrew developers from actually adding something useful to that oversized (physically), overpriced (duh), underwhelming (storage) "wish I was a video iPod." I thought they had pulled their collective heads out of their asses, but now that the latest updated supports PS1 downloads, but *only* via another overpriced POS, the PS3, I see that nothing has changed. They made their bed. Lie in it, Sony.

Yeah, I agree, the storage has to be the worst thing about the system, overall. UMD was a joke, right? $20 a pop for less movie/features than a standard DVD... MemoryStick?! Waste of money.
It *could* have been a contender, but it's only a nice widescreen legacy now.

Way to make every wrong turn, Sony... the one and only. :(

Add **pirate** unfriendly to the list! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18934703)

Most of the crying I see about this are from people who really want a free ride on PSP games, even if they don't flat out admit it....

Re:Add **pirate** unfriendly to the list! (1)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936773)

My PSP is actually incredibly pirate-friendly.

Course, I still have v1.5 firmware on it.

Re:Add homebrew unfriendly to the list! (3, Insightful)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936437)

Well that is one way of thinking about it.

I happen to have both a DS and a PSP, and I can say without a doubt that if you are into homebrew the PSP is your best bet.

Besides the more powerful hardware the primary advantage is the single storage standard. Homebrew only needs to know how to access the MSPro and that is is, compared to the DS this is a dream. With the DS you need to either program homebrew specifically for the flash device you are using or go with DFDI patches. This is good in theory but in reality the DS homebrew scene is full of almost working apps.

The PSP on the other hand just requires a firmware downgrade followed by a custom firmware flash and you are good to go, the whole process takes about 30 minutes if you have a supported PSP and downgrades are coming out all the time.

Now each systems have their own benefits, and that is why I have both, but to say the PSP is a bad system is a just unfair. I could say that the DS is underpowered, hurts to hold for a long time and needs a better screen and is too difficult to get homebrew working on, but that would be completely avoiding all the good points of the system.

two words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18934241)

battery

life

Thank God For Homebrew and Custom Firmware (4, Informative)

Croakyvoice (986312) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934281)

Sony messed up on a lot of things for the PSP but the PSP brought Homebrew and Emulators on the PSP [dcemu.co.uk] to the mainstream like never before and the releases of Custom Firmwares that play PSone Games at full speed [dcemu.co.uk] really brought the PSP to the masses. Fanjita and Dark Alexs downgraders/homebrew loaders have shown the best of what can be done on the PSP. To date there has been over 1000 Homebrew and Emulation releases on the PSP. The PSP isnt all that bad.

Re:Thank God For Homebrew and Custom Firmware (4, Insightful)

cascino (454769) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934527)

Yes, but this doesn't help the console. If Sony would evaluate their options from the consumer's point of view, we could very easily have these features come standard on the PSP. Instead clever individuals like Dark Alex are engaged in an "arms war" of sorts where each month a new incremental firmware is released by Sony in an attempt to keep end users from taking full advantage of, for example, the PS1-PSP capabilities. The scene is forced underground, and the average consumer is kept unaware of what functionality is possible with the PSP.

I personally have a PSP and must say that being able to play FFVII in full speed on the road is nothing short of amazing. I would have easily put down $10-20 for this capability. The unfortunate part for Sony is that they still doesn't realize that *enabling* the consumer is what sells products, not disabling features from them.

Re:Thank God For Homebrew and Custom Firmware (2, Funny)

adona1 (1078711) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936583)

being able to play FFVII in full speed on the road is nothing short of amazing

Remind me not to drive near you ;)

Re:Thank God For Homebrew and Custom Firmware (2, Insightful)

IvanTheNotSoBad (977004) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936371)

You are absolutely right. The only problem is that it only really holds true for us slashdot types (sorry for generalizing). If my little sister saw me playing Super Mario Bros. on my PSP, and she wanted to do the same, do you really think I could just give her those links?

"If you're at firmware 2.70 you could just downgrade to 1.5 and install nesterJ"....her response: "what's a firmware?"

PSP is by far one of the best "gadgets" I've ever come across....but I have to go underground to make it so. On it's own it's crap just like most things Sony make these days. Sony wants to control what you can and cannot do on the device you own...and that's why the PSP is a failure.

Re:Thank God For Homebrew and Custom Firmware (2, Informative)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936465)

I'd just like to warn anyone considering installing the custom firmware above that they are old versions, there are newer and better supported custom firmware versions out there.

Re:Thank God For Homebrew and Custom Firmware (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 7 years ago | (#18937751)

> the PSP brought Homebrew and Emulators on the PSP to the mainstream

Sort of. One of the reasons I've not bought one is Sony's attitude to homebrew. Were I to buy one it would be for homebrew, and I'm not going to just pay and then hope that Sony doesn't stop me from doing that, so until they apologize for their stupid behaviour and promise to help homebrew development then I'm not interested.

How the PSP is annoying let me count the ways (0, Troll)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934363)

1. Shorter battery life.

2. Load times

3. Dead pixel fiasco

4. Really limited games (no legacy library to pull from)

5. Big shiny screen, totally exposed for the scratching when put in a bag

6. Costs more than a DS

7. No homebrew, or not as well supported as GBA/DS homebrew

8. Lack of insight to use Pro memory stick slot for games [e.g. no need to spin up UMD], etc...

Sure the graphics are better than the DS, but so what? I don't spend enough time going "WOW MARIOS ASS IS SHINY" to care. I usually only play handhelds when I'm stuck somewhere [re: airports] and have absolutely nothing else to do, and eyeing the jailbait has gotten boring.

Tom

Calling you out on #7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18934739)

Are you kidding me? The PSP has some of the best homebrew out there! Not just emulation (with snes, gba, and earlier playable), but with other apps, like PSPradio, which allows you to stream shoutcast music to the PSP over its Wi-Fi connection.

In addition to that, there are features that Sony has tried to put in (PS1 emulation) that people have hacked completely open.

PSP firmware cat-and-mouse (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936117)

The PSP has some of the best homebrew out there!
Even with the firmware version on the PSP units being shipped to stores? Sony regularly updates the PSP firmware, and each new version closes a hole that homebrew had been using to execute. Nintendo, on the other hand, hasn't even tried to block the NoPass + SLOT-2 [pineight.com] homebrew solutions such as SuperCard+SuperKey that have been around for nearly a year or the newer SLOT-1-only solutions such as R4. You can get a PSP with a 1 GB Memory Stick PRO Duo card for $250, or you can get a DS + R4 + 1 GB microSD card for $175.

Re:PSP firmware cat-and-mouse (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#18939445)

IIRC, the original Passme designs that enabled homebrew on the DS didn't work with ones that came out a year after launch when Nintendo was putting a new firmware on them.

How to explain the inability to stop newer homebrew kits? Thing is DS's have to have some contacts bridged in order to flash them. It's obviously not intended to be flashed except when being repaired. Contrast to the PSP's more aggressive flashing approach. Nintendo can't dispatch a firmware update, not even over WiFi, to fix those problems. The platform remains static and external influences which are allowed to evolve do and take complete advantage.

Nintendo has no love of homebrew. If someone lets themselves believe otherwise they are just setting themselves up for heartbreak.

MOD PARENT -1 TROLL (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18934809)

2) Not a problem in most GOOD games. (does anyone really care if some piece of shit wrestling game takes forever to load? I don't)
3) Virtually non-existent these days, overblown at launch.
4) There are still a lot of really good games, even more than DS in truth.
5) Slip case, problem solved.
6) Oh really? You mean a far, far more powerful device costs a whole $45 more? In fact, I'd say it's well, well worth the extra bit of cash.
7) Are you retarded? The homebrew scene on PSP is huge! It's way, way larger than DS/GBA, and with the higher system capabilities you see some pretty amazing shit, like a full speed CPS2 emulator.
9) Graphics contribute greatly to the overall experience of the game.

Doesn't PSP homebrew need old PSP and old GTA? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936157)

The homebrew scene on PSP is huge!
Doesn't PSP homebrew require a PSP that doesn't ship with 3.10 or newer firmware, which by now means a used PSP? And doesn't it also require a used copy of Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (an M-rated game) from its first printing?

Re:Doesn't PSP homebrew need old PSP and old GTA? (1)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936375)

While it's true firmware 3.03 requires GTA in order to become hacked, firmwares 2.71 and 2.80 (which are still somewhat plentiful) can be downgraded just by using a exploit in one of the photo libraries. Additionally, new exploits are found every now and then that make more PSPs hackable.

Still, despite that homebrew on the console is very plentiful as the grandparent pointed out.

Let me debunk a few things (3, Insightful)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934849)

3. Dead pixel fiasco.

Is one dead pixel per screen such a big deal?? I have a dead pixel on mine and only notice it on completely white backgrounds.

4. Really limited games (no legacy library to pull from)

Are you talking about PSP from 2 years ago? There are quite a few high quality games for the PSP (8.5+ score on gamespot.com/psp). My favorites: Daxter, Burnout Revenge, Metal Gear Acid I and II. I can also argue that DS games are graphics-limited (yes I know, gameplay is more important)

5. Big shiny screen, totally exposed for the scratching when put in a bag

So get a screen protector. Big deal ...

6. Costs more than a DS

30$. For which you get a considerably more powerful CPU & 3D accelerator. Look at screenshots from DS and PSP games.

Ideology aside (Sony is teh evil, Nintendo rocks, graphics is not important), PSP is a pretty decent portable. Sure, it has its issues (e.g., UMD), but it's far from being the failure that the mass media portrays it to be.

Re:Let me debunk a few things (2, Informative)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934921)

My first PSP had about 35 dead pixels all over. Circuit City refused to replace it since it was still "playable." I had to mail it off to Sony Canada for a replacement, which had about 7 dead pixels. I just gave up at that point and put up with it. I was hardly the only one with that problem.

As for the rest I guess it's a matter of opinion. For the most part I really don't give a rats ass for the new games. Aside from Wii most games I've seen for the new consoles are just shinier rehashes of last seasons games. SMB1 is 22 years old and I still play it. Will you still play burnout revenge in 22 years?

Tom

if you don't play new games (1)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 7 years ago | (#18935011)

Then why bother with a new system :)?

Sure, it's a matter of opinion, but I generally have no problem with game iterations. Games are so complex that it's difficult to get them right the first time. Most of the games I love are at least version/iteration 2.

Re:if you don't play new games (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18935113)

Potential? I bought the PSP because I thought it would sport some really kick ass games, but the launch sucked and I lost interest. I was also making decent coin at the time so it wasn't a huge investment.

Tom

Re:Let me debunk a few things (1)

bogjobber (880402) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938755)

Aside from Wii most games I've seen for the new consoles are just shinier rehashes of last seasons games.

Most games on the Wii are also rehashes of last season's games. It's just that now you play by swinging your arms around!

I actually kinda like the Wii, so I'm not just bashing. Most launches suck because companies think it's too risky to launch entirely new titles. Couple that with Nintendo's tendency to stick with established characters and you have a pretty bland console other than the (very fun) novelty of the Wiimote.

Re:Let me debunk a few things (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938825)

I can't speak to the Wii as I don't have one [stupid low stock] and my friend who has one only has two games [cheap bastard]. I don't think Wii sports is a rehash of anything they put out before. But yeah there are already rehash games out there [e.g. zelda, medal of honour, etc...].

But part of the appeal of the Wii is that you're using a new interface to play the games. i like the idea of getting off the couch to play Wii games. Much more fun than just sitting there with a 360 controller.

Tom

Re:Let me debunk a few things (1)

toejam316 (1000986) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936541)

dont forget, its actually possible to completely replace the UMD drive with say a CF or SD Reader. Cheap storage is doable for anyone who can wield a soldering iron or knows someone who can.

Re:How the PSP is annoying let me count the ways (1)

amohat (88362) | more than 7 years ago | (#18935633)

All that and no mention of limited, expensive storage options? That right there is killing it more than anything else.

Besides, sounds like you need something with a camera, you perv. You know, just to spice things up.

Re:How the PSP is annoying let me count the ways (3, Informative)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936533)

1. Shorter battery life.
Thats true

2. Load times
Yeah they are a bit slower then carts, it totally depends on the game though and is totally negated if you are booting games off a memory stick.

3. Dead pixel fiasco
My DS has a dead pixel too.

4. Really limited games (no legacy library to pull from)
Perhaps officially yes, but it is possible to convert ps1 games to psp [blogspot.com]

5. Big shiny screen, totally exposed for the scratching when put in a bag
This comes down to common sense, I keep mine in a little felt bag.

6. Costs more than a DS
It does more.

7. No homebrew, or not as well supported as GBA/DS homebrew
That's completely false Here [psp-homebrew.eu] is a database of PSP homebrew. Also this homebrew all works without DLDI patches and works with every flash card you put into the PSP. The DS scene is quite a bit different.

8. Lack of insight to use Pro memory stick slot for games [e.g. no need to spin up UMD], etc...
Officially yes, but with custom firmware though it is very simple to boot games from memory stick. I have both systems and I love them both, but the PSP is way more hacker friendly then the DS. Game wise I'd say they were about equal, with maybe 10 games on each system that are real gems.

Re:How the PSP is annoying let me count the ways (1)

The13thSin (1092867) | more than 7 years ago | (#18939485)

Hey now, aren't you suppose to take a side? I mean preferably the good and shining Nintendo's, but being an evil Sony's lacky will do as well...

Are we SlashDot posters turning into reasonable people now? What's next? Hot summer days during the winter seasons? Bush preventing World War III? Aliens eating my head?

Re: :-) (1)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 7 years ago | (#18937197)

. . . and have absolutely nothing else to do, and eyeing the jailbait has gotten boring.
"Boring?" Dude. Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Re: :-) (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938453)

Jailbait gets boring when one of the following occurs:

1. She hooks up with her BF

2. She hooks up with parents, unless mother is hot too, who's with me? MENTAL HIGH FIVE! SNAP!

3. She turns into a he.

4. She notices and points you out to security. Unless, security is hot too, yeah boyyyyy HIGH FIVE!

5. You're not a pathetic loser and have your own GF or SO who fulfills the needs thus making Jailbait both inappropriate and redundant.

Tom

Re: :-) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18938933)

Who the fuck let The Todd in here?

Mod parent troll... I'll agree. (1)

Banarak (1095591) | more than 7 years ago | (#18939059)

1. Charge it right, and if you are ever away from an electrical socket for more then 10 hours... and you don't look into extra batteries/accessories (they have a solar charger for gods sake)... you've got a small point. 2. Load times aren't bad on "most" games. If they are? Well, I'm sure you've met Dark Alex before. Load times aren't an issue. If you want to keep complaining... have you tried Sonic the Hedgehog on ANY system? 3. You just made my morning here. Every console, and every game launches without problems in your dreamworld reality, right? I got mine on launch, and *STILL* haven't had one dead pixel. And the poor thing has taken more abuse then an earthquake dector at this point. 4. PS1 dosen't count, right? I guess 2 generations ago dosen't count for "legacy". Let's ignore homebrew/emulation for now, as playing Atari 2600 must not validate "legacy", since it requires about 50 braincells and trust to install. 5. Don't keep it unprotected near "your bag" and you won't have a problem. I've got 3 cases - the one IT CAME WITH (value pack, yes I know some people don't have there.), A leather belt pouch (perfect) and an over the shoulder carry-all (which again, perfect) and I haven't had a scratch I didn't mistakenly put there myself. And the screen is still damn near perfect. 6. And you don't have the graphics or capability out of the box as you do with a DS either. I do own both. Can you soft-mod a DS like you can a PSP? $129 vs $169 right now, and I'm very glad I purchased *BOTH*. 7.Google search for PSP QJ homebrew and google search for DS QJ homebrew. Because I *KNOW* you didn't look either up before you made this.... comment. 8. The original memory stick shipped with it was 32mb (!!!). You want to plan caching for that, with saved games, with the option for video, with the option for music? OF COURSE IT DOES NOT USE IT. Even if I have a 4gb card, do you think I want the possibility of corruption while it uses it for a cache drive?? Sony made a wise choice here, and there are many other ways you can use your card to speed up load times now. You just posed this to comment how much you love a shiny mario ass. I know you did. The rest dosen't make sense.

Games, Movies, Music, Web browsing , etc... (2, Interesting)

dunezone (899268) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934399)

The PSP is a perfect example of a company cramming as many features into one product, marketing all these features, and then not following through. UMD failed because it was proprietary format that could only play on the PSP and most of the games that came out for the first year were ports of PS1 and PS2 games. As for a mp3 player the damn thing is too big, and I cant say much for the web browsing feature since I don't do web browsing on the go. As for trying to move onto the online downloading market with the PSP, their just beating a dead horse.

Sony's blunder. (4, Interesting)

kinglink (195330) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934523)

I'd like to say the PSP is Sony's biggest blunder, but it's not. The PS3 is turning out to be the titanic of the industry with all the bad press. But the PSP is a pretty massive blunder too. There's just too many bad moves to make the system viable. Here's a short list.

1. Bad Advertisements. Everyone talked about them, everyone said "WTF", everyone shook their head. Again this isn't an awful move, but combine it with the rest of this list and we got the "PSP".

2. Attacking the fans. People bought the PSP and homebrewed it. Sony closed the gaps. Now this isn't a bad thing but it forced people to make decisions between upgrading to buy games and leaving it at 1.5 to play homebrew. Overtime we've found ways to upgrade to 3.0+ software and play homebrew, however the sore feelings came early and lingered. When people were forced to make that choice and picked homebrew, then sony lost money right there. Games is all Sony's going to make money on.

3. UMDs. Not the worst idea ever but UMDs are clunky and a poor format. They are also slow. Notice that DS is a cartridge. Yeah they are outdated but they also have no load time, and little if any problems. Sony was smart enough to protect the disc instead of putting the laser right next to it, but the UMD is a failed concept that no one was going to buy. Blu-ray is slightly better, but forcing it on the consumer was bad voodoo.

4. Ambition, they made the best handheld, but it cost them a shit ton of money. The DS cost less, and sold for a profit (or close to it) It's similar to the PS3, 900 dollars or so for production of the version 1 consoles. Selling for 600. Why start a marathon a mile back from the starting line?

5. Ports. This is perhaps the most damning of them all. The PSP is the Playstation portable. The Gameboy is the game boy. Not the NES portable, not the Famicom portable. The Gameboy is it's own system. The PSP on the other hand is a suped up PSX or a downgraded PS2 but it wasn't it's own system. For that neurotic nerd who loves his PS2 so much he wants to buy the games a second time for his PSP so he can have it on the go great, but there's only a couple exclusives out of something like 200 games. Lumines? great. But there's just too much other crap that didn't work. It's great that I can now play burnout, Golf, or any other PS2 game on the go, but instead of the full experience off the DVD, I pay more money for downgraded graphics.

Consider that people play the DS while sitting next to full home entertainment systems, but I find it hard to believe people would do the same for the PSP. I know I wouldn't.

6. Not being nintendo. Let's get petty for a minute. Sony isn't nintendo. Sega, Neo geo, atari, and other all tried this before. The gameboy worked, everything else failed. Why? Who knows but challenging nintendo on their home court and you're going to be laughed off the field.

These are just some of the reasons the PSP failed and none of them are "that bad" but the wave of them keeps coming. They continue to produce port after port (next up Parapa the rapper, and Disgaea, and maybe FFT, and then .... You get the picture)

The PS3 is starting to turn this way, every month it seems there's a new bad story. Hell make that every week, and you'll see that Sony has a long way to turn both of these products into "success stories" but I think we are reaching the point where it's too little, too late.

Re:Sony's blunder. (1)

hidannik (1085061) | more than 7 years ago | (#18935719)

3. The UMD cartridge also does not protect the UMD disk nearly as well as it should. Last I checked, Sony was still refusing to acknowledge the problem of the cartridge's flimsiness. Here's my blog post on how to work around the most common UMD cartridge failure:

UMD Repair: Less Is More [blogspot.com]

Re:Sony's blunder. (1)

coaxial (28297) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938423)

I'm not saying the the PSP isn't a blunder. It's definately a missed opportunity. It's a nice a piece of hardware, that falls just short of being something great, but your reasoning is all wrong.

1. Bad Advertisements. Everyone talked about them, everyone said "WTF", everyone shook their head. Again this isn't an awful move, but combine it with the rest of this list and we got the "PSP".
The early "Pass It On" [youtube.com] ads were fine. The most recent "Find Me" [youtube.com] is cool. I will grant you that the animated mice [youtube.com] ads, and the the european red robots [youtube.com] ads were fucked up. And the "black-white" posters [joystiq.com] were tone deaf (but then, they come by that honestly [dailymail.co.uk] .)

The cheese ads didn't doom the handheld, or even harm it, because those ads came well after the PSP launch. Those ads were irrelevant to the fate of the PSP, because the PSP's fate was already sealed at launch. It was overpriced and crippled. If you don't get traction at launch, no amount of advertising, good or bad, will change your fate.

2. Attacking the fans. People bought the PSP and homebrewed it. Sony closed the gaps. Now this isn't a bad thing but it forced people to make decisions between upgrading to buy games and leaving it at 1.5 to play homebrew. Overtime we've found ways to upgrade to 3.0+ software and play homebrew, however the sore feelings came early and lingered. When people were forced to make that choice and picked homebrew, then sony lost money right there. Games is all Sony's going to make money on.
No one gives a shit about homebrew. And by "no one" I mean the 99% of the people that own a PSP or would consider purchasing a PSP. It's an infintesimly small segment of the market. Sure you may care. Your friends may care. But you and your friends probably also get your jollies recompiling your kernel or something equally hardcore geeky. You're not mainstream. This point is irrelevant.

3. UMDs. Not the worst idea ever but UMDs are clunky and a poor format. They are also slow. Notice that DS is a cartridge. Yeah they are outdated but they also have no load time, and little if any problems. Sony was smart enough to protect the disc instead of putting the laser right next to it, but the UMD is a failed concept that no one was going to buy. Blu-ray is slightly better, but forcing it on the consumer was bad voodoo.
You've got the right point, but for the wrong reasons. The PSP failed because of UMD. UMD was going to be the big content delivery system. You were going to buy movies and games on UMD and use the memory stick for only saving preferences and the like. UMD was doomed from the outset because no one was going to buy movies that could only work on a 4 inch screen. A kick-ass 4 inch screen mind you, but a 4 inch screen none the less. You would have though Sony would have learned there lesson after the Minidisk fiasco, but no. They suffer from terminal not-invented-here syndome.

If Sony had went with all internal storage. iPod like storage, then they would have had something. I mean 4 GB max from an overpriced flash card? No. For the same price you could get an iPod with like 5 times that much space when I considered a PSP a few years ago. Games are cool and all, but I wanted the whole portable media experience Sony was promissing, and not providing. Not that the iPod completely provides it either, but does give me music and video, albeit not on nearly as good of a screen.

5. Ports. This is perhaps the most damning of them all. The PSP is the Playstation portable. The Gameboy is the game boy. Not the NES portable, not the Famicom portable. The Gameboy is it's own system. The PSP on the other hand is a suped up PSX or a downgraded PS2 but it wasn't it's own system. For that neurotic nerd who loves his PS2 so much he wants to buy the games a second time for his PSP so he can have it on the go great, but there's only a couple exclusives out of something like 200 games. Lumines? great. But there's just too much other crap that didn't work. It's great that I can now play burnout, Golf, or any other PS2 game on the go, but instead of the full experience off the DVD, I pay more money for downgraded graphics.
There are too many ports and not enough exclusives. There's simply nothing compelling in the PSP pantheon.

Consider that people play the DS while sitting next to full home entertainment systems, but I find it hard to believe people would do the same for the PSP. I know I wouldn't.
Yeah you would. You play the handheld for the games that are exclusive to the handheld.

6. Not being nintendo. Let's get petty for a minute. Sony isn't nintendo. Sega, Neo geo, atari, and other all tried this before. The gameboy worked, everything else failed. Why? Who knows but challenging nintendo on their home court and you're going to be laughed off the field.
Some one needed to challenge Nintendo though. My god! Gameboy Color sucked. Nintendo rests on their laurels when it comes to the handheld market way too much without competition.

Re:Sony's blunder. (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938551)

No one gives a shit about homebrew. And by "no one" I mean the 99% of the people that own a PSP or would consider purchasing a PSP. It's an infintesimly small segment of the market. Sure you may care. Your friends may care. But you and your friends probably also get your jollies recompiling your kernel or something equally hardcore geeky. You're not mainstream. This point is irrelevant.
Yes; Slashdotters often say things like "If Sony opened up the PSP, they'd make more money because me and one of my friends would buy one to mod". It's not simply that they're a small minority... but also that Sony hopes (or hoped) to make their money- I assume- via a stream of locked-in and Hollywood-licensed content, which they probably thought would be compromised by such a move.

In short, they might have considered the potential hacker/modder geek market, but given that opening up the PSP would also have scuppered the intended plan to gouge mainstream users with expensive content for their locked-in console, they probably dismissed it. They weren't selling the GP32.

Of course, that's probably what they wanted to do; it didn't quite play out like that.

IMHO, what Sony did wrong isn't *entirely* dissimilar; not restricting homebrew per se, but simply restricting the console, the content that can be played on it and what can be done with it. Joe Public *does* like that sort of stuff. In common with the article, I've said myself that if the PSP hadn't been artificially locked down, it'd be a great multimedia machine, all-round cool device, and fantastic value for money.

As it stands, it feels artificially restricted. Consider also the Mylo, Sony's overpriced WiFi-based communications device. It seems to have an awful lot of overlap in functionality with the PSP. If the PSP had been designed to work with a simple keyboard add-on, or even if they released a new model with one built-in, it could do this quite easily.

But no. The PSP is a games and (highly-restricted) multimedia console, and I suspect that Sony wanted to artificially differentiate the market in this way. So we get restricted PSP and stupid gadget proliferation.

Re:Sony's blunder. (1)

coaxial (28297) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938951)

IMHO, what Sony did wrong isn't *entirely* dissimilar; not restricting homebrew per se, but simply restricting the console, the content that can be played on it and what can be done with it. Joe Public *does* like that sort of stuff. In common with the article, I've said myself that if the PSP hadn't been artificially locked down, it'd be a great multimedia machine, all-round cool device, and fantastic value for money.

That's DRM for you. Sony is a wierd company. They make both media and media devices. I'm convinced the music and movie divisions absolutely despise the consumer electronics division. Sony makes cool hardware.
Minidisk was a cool idea when it was introduced. Affordable recordable digitial media. But it was a pain in the ass to record to. The PSP is great piece of hardware, but restricted all to hell.

I like Sony's hardware, but I'm always wary of it, precisely because the the media division dictates the design.

Re:Sony's blunder. (1)

bogjobber (880402) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938853)

You make a very big assumption that the PSP is a failure. The PSP didn't fail. It is a very successful console (selling 25 million worldwide according to Wikipedia). That's substantially less than Nintendo's 40 million worldwide for the DS (not even counting the GBA), but it hardly qualifies for a failure. Comparing it to the Neo-Geo Pocket and Lynx is ridiculous. The Game Gear is probably as accurate as you can get, because it was a successful handheld that was still a distant second to the Game Boy, however the PSP is much more successful than the Game Gear was. There will likely be more iterations of the PSP and we'll see where it goes from there. If anything Sony should be lauded for creating the first handheld that survived battling Nintendo heads-up.

The PS3 is also hardly to be considered a failure (no matter what stories you may read on /.) as it has sold over 3.5 million units in six months. Whether it passes the Wii/360 remains to be seen over the lifetime of the console, but by no means is it a failure.

Just because you don't like something and you didn't buy one doesn't mean it sucks. It definitely doesn't mean it is a failure. As far as either being "Sony's biggest blunder," as you seem to claim, remember that we're talking about Sony here. This is the company that lost (potentially) the entire home movie market and (actually) the entire portable audio player market.

They can still recover with a new tack on things (1)

1mck (861167) | more than 7 years ago | (#18934797)

All of my friends own PSP's, and I haven't ponied up for one yet, but I'm totally blown away at what these things can do. It struck me that this ,IMHO, is the future of portable computers!

The screen resolution is incredible, and the menus are really cool, and it has it's own browser (proprietary), and it does everything that I would want in a portable computer except for office software...I really think if they were to do a slight paradigm shift, and make it both a portable game console, multimedia centre, and a laptop replacement with all the standard office software (Open Office), and they could even incorporate a cell phone into it with a blue tooth ear piece, then they'll have the winner that they've been looking for.

Wouldn't be great to just have this thing on your hip, and have your entire office/game system/multimedia/cell phone right there? I really think it would kill everything out there that are trying to do just this, but of course this are just my thoughts.

BUZZWORD ALERT!!!! HONK HONK HONK (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18935523)

paradigm shift

Re:They can still recover with a new tack on thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18938277)

Nokia tried this with their ngage phones, but failed miserably.

Re:They can still recover with a new tack on thing (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938321)

This is slashdot, you have to pay the editors for advertisements here.

Homebrew not as good as the DS? I think not... (4, Informative)

DavidKlemke (1048264) | more than 7 years ago | (#18935237)

I keep hearing that the PSP doesn't have as good Homebrew as the DS. Well that's just plain not true, for example here's my source for all things PSP and homebrew: http://forums.qj.net/f-qjnet-sony-psp-forums-48.ht ml/ [qj.net] There are at least 180 people on this forum at any given time and there are THOUSANDS of homebrew applications in the files section. I'm sorry but all this DS fanfare about a less than lively homebrew scene just don't have their facts straight. Personally I bought my PSP early and got straight into the hacking scene as soon as I could. I've never been left feeling that I wasn't getting my moneys worth, and I've even bought a couple UMD movies (a 4 hour bus trip to Sydney can get mighty boring and sometimes ripping isn't an option). In fact I don't think I've ever come across something that I've wanted to do with my PSP and haven't been able to do. Here's just a short list of things I've done over the past couple of years using homebrew: - NES/SNES/N64 emulators - Universal IR Remote Controller - Remote access of my desktop at home over wireless or the internet - Streaming video and audio in real time over my wireless network and over the internet - Personal Organizer and calendar This is in addition to all the stuff that comes default these days with the base firmware. The PSP is a great platform and it's really worth every dollar you'll spend on it. Problem is it's not as cheap as a DS and the proprietary-ness of the platform seems to irk all the slashdotters. The DS might be selling more but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a better platform.

Pity Sony doesn't want you to play it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18935791)

> I keep hearing that the PSP doesn't have as good Homebrew as the DS. Well that's just plain not true

Oh, I'm sure it has great homebrew. The main problem is that Sony doesn't want anyone to play it, and keeps "fixing" the firmware with each new game.

Re:Pity Sony doesn't want you to play it. (1)

DavidKlemke (1048264) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936335)

That's true, but if you're running Dark Alex's firmware then you're getting all the lovely new features of the firmware whilst still maintaining a homebrew friendly platform. I'm currently running 3.10 OE and I can play the latest games and homebrew without incident.

Re:Homebrew not as good as the DS? I think not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18936035)

Top 5 PSP Homebrew
1) PSPVNC (wireless VNC Viewer)
2) PSPRadio (streaming radio stations)
3) PimpStreamer (streams your videos)
4) PSPlayerMT (watch avi/mp4/mkv)
5) PSPLink (internet browser w/o the memory limitation)

hmm (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 7 years ago | (#18935989)

Is it really losing out that badly to the DS? I don't have either, and I don't know the sales numbers, but I see people out on the streets with PSPs far more often than I see them with DSes.

Re:hmm (3, Informative)

toddhunter (659837) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936357)

Lets look at the figures (vgchartz)

DS
16.39m Japan
11.88m Americas
12.80m Others

PSP
5.43m Japan
8.29m Americas
7.59m Others

The DS is nearly double the PSP but a huge chunk of this is Japan. You might conclude that although the DS is doing better, the PSP has still done very well.

Re:hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18937549)

You have to keep in mind that the gap is widening though. Right now, the DS is selling about twice as fast as the PSP in the US. In Japan, the DS is selling at least twice as many units each week and in some weeks it's selling as much as five times as many units as the PSP.

too much psp hate (2, Insightful)

stlthVector (468932) | more than 7 years ago | (#18936249)

I guess I'm the only person on /. who doesn't think the PSP is a failure. I also don't understand the comparisons to the DS. They both play games, that's it. The PSP is a mobile entertainment device. The DS plays games that do not require any advanced hardware. The PSP plays home console quality games, video, music, provides some internet access, makes a great photo viewer, and more. I love sports games and the PSP as an excellent library of sports games. I show them to my friends and their jaws drop. I always get comments like "that looks better than on my ps2" or "that looks like the xbox version".

I don't see how you can compare the two on price. If you choose to, that's you're choice. I guess it doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

It boils down to what you want. If you like the games for the ds, buy a ds!!! Don't buy a PSP! If you like the games for the PSP, and there are a ton for a non-nintendo portable, probably at least 300 now, buy a PSP. If you want something you can rip dvd's and copy them to inexpensive flash media for cheap mobile viewing, get a PSP (I got a 4GB msduopro for $70, hardly expensive). If you want a photo viewer, music player, and a tool for light web browsing, get a psp.

Both the ds and the psp have their place I think. I don't understand all the psp hate. If you like to hate, then go for it. If you want a ds, buy one.

Most people who I have heard talk about PSP haven't played with it much if at all. Check it out if you haven't. Give it a chance. It's been an amazing device for my uses.

Re:too much psp hate (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938223)

The PSP plays home console quality games, video, music, provides some internet access, makes a great photo viewer, and more.
I do this all on my Nintendo DS lite, I just bought a Slot-1 Supercard [supercard.cn] and I got everything -- I can dump my games to the device so I don't need to carry so many cartridges with me, I've got the entire BSG series on one of my micro SD cards (that go into the supercard), there is a picture viewer, it works, but I don't use it... Hell, I even got Linux running on thing. [dslinux.org]

I actually even found homebrew games I liked playing which surprised me. Additionally, I've taken a interest in developing homebrew applications on it, although I haven't got that far yet.

I don't really know what's great about the PSP, but so far you haven't really given me a good reason to look into it. I'm also somewhat against buying Sony hardware for the simple fact... I've never seen Sony game hardware last long.

My only gripe with the Nintendo DS is that it doesn't support WPA.

Price` (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18937735)

The PSP has the same problem that the PS3 has: TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE!!!

There is a reason that the competition is selling better because they are at least $100 cheaper and have more games.

I like my PSP. (3, Informative)

John Pfeiffer (454131) | more than 7 years ago | (#18937765)

Let me start by saying that I have a PSP1000G1CW (For the uninitiated, that's an original Japanese Ceramic White Gigapack), and I use it every day.

I would like to address the more common 'issues' people seem to have with the PSP...

The first being storage... You are right, it doesn't have 30-40gb of internal storage. This is something I have NEVER understood about the iPod and similar devices. My music collection is somewhere in the neighborhood of 200+ gigabytes. Yet, I'm never listening to more than 5 different albums in a given week. (This week, it is 'MY FOOT', 'Good Dreams', 'Fool on the Planet', 'Another morning, Another pillows', and 'FLCL Original Soundtrack 3', all by 'the pillows'.) Compressed with AAC, I have little problem carrying this around on my 1gb memorystick.

Why do you NEED to carry THIRTY GIGABYTES of music with you at all times? Nine times out of ten, if your plane crashes, you DIE. So don't worry about getting stranded on a desert island without tunes, okay?

My biggest gripe though, is with people attacking the UMD format. Complaining that it is proprietary strikes me as particularly stupid... Proprietary? As opposed to cartridges? I'm sorry, were they supposed to make it 3x the size and give it a DVD-ROM drive? Get over it. UMD Video was a mistake, but that was just Sony's movie division trying to capitalize... (In Japan, I've seen just as many UMD Video discs packaged WITH their DVD counterparts with little premium paid, so I think the whole 'make-you-buy-everything-twice' shtick was mostly western capitalism at work.)

The PSP is a fine multifunction device once you install a custom firmware... Now, I know someone's going to be like "So, it's no good unless you hack it, huh?" That statement is equal parts truth and loaded bullshit. Sony doesn't want people pirating games or running their own software... YES. Personally I think it's bad corporate policy to sell someone what amounts to a handheld computer, then tell them not to run anything on it...but hey, I imagine there's a REASON I'm not on the board of SCEI or SCEA.

With my PSP handy, with only a 1gb memorystick, I have never been bored. Between bookr for reading text files or PDFs, videos, music, and the vast library of great Japanese games at my fingertips (Not to mention all my old favorites via emulation), there has yet to be an instance where my PSP didn't give me something to do. Sony created something that, when properly utilized, becomes indispensable.

Typically, my PSP is loaded with one game UMD in the drive, two in my Hori Portable Style Pouch, 1-5 more game ISOs on the memstick depending on size, music, the latest episodes of all my shows, a bunch of ebooks, and some classic Super Famicom games in my emulator. (Granted, sometimes 1gb of space is a little stressed by all this, but a 4gb stick like I plan to buy soon is only $50)

Beyond its original purposes, a truly creative geek can find limitless uses for the PSP. I have my home network set up so I can download pre-packaged music, game ISOs, and videos, directly to my PSP through a web portal on my LAN. (As well as being able to stream any video directly from my computer to my PSP with Pimpstreamer...even stuff in 1080p) I can even use my PSP to control Media Player Classic via a web interface, or control the lights in the house...even check my caller ID. I don't even have the Chotto Shot camera or GPS unit yet and my PSP is more useful than any other handheld device I've ever owned, and has better games than some home consoles.

Sure, it doesn't hold 30gb of music or videos... But hey, the screen is about the SIZE of an iPod, and with games like Disgaea and the countless other great games I play on a regular basis, I have no complaints.

So I guess what I'm saying is... Could someone please explain Sony's failure to me in large type, with diagrams? Is it that the PSP is maybe TOO useful for a $280 device? Or is it supposed to be able to make me toast in the morning? I'M CONFUSED.

Re:I like my PSP. (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 7 years ago | (#18937943)

I like my PSP.


Me too, and pretty much for the same reaons, though I don't have a homebrew friendly firmware now. (I upgraded my PSP for the Flash support and RSS)

I do wish sony would be open to homebrew applications, the PSP is an anomaly in this regard, the PS2/PS3 have LInux, so why not allow homebrew. Either say, "we don't support this stuff use at your own risk" or makd deals with homebrew developers "hey we've got a PDF reader, we support this" or "here's a version of nethack, that we authorize"

And I'm still waiting for the Chotto shotto to be released in the US.

One problem I think Sony has with the PSP is that people don't know what the thing is capable of even with just the official firmware, because the marketing for the thing sucks.

Re:I like my PSP. (1)

mshurpik (198339) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938057)

>I can even use my PSP to control Media Player Classic via a web interface, or control the lights in the house...even check my caller ID.

OK you had me going there for a second :)

People who actually own home automation systems are far too wealthy and ignorant to be bothered with a game console.

Re:I like my PSP. (1)

John Pfeiffer (454131) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938197)

Haha. I wish. My father got his hands on the original X10 (No relation to the pop-under assholes who began using the technology for evil) hardware back in the day with a Macintosh interface... I still have most of it, and bought some new modules like seven years ago. :P (And the caller ID thing is a service of verizon, a web interface. They also have a windows app that pops it up on your desktop)

Re:I like my PSP. (1)

mshurpik (198339) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938363)

Well you're a rare hacker breed. Most contractors in electronics wear ponytails and smoke pot on the way to the client's house. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but, they're not serious or educated. And half these guys don't have websites.

IMO you're in a position to make money if you choose to advertise.

Re:I like my PSP. (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938061)

I quite like my PSP as well, but it's a Gran Turismo player. Which first required doing all sorts of scary stuff to it.

I made the upgrade from a 4Gb iPod Mini to a 30Gb full-size one, because we're not all alike when it comes to music. You say you've got five albums by one band on your machine, and that's enough? Do you really know you're not going to have the urge to listen to someone else later today? If so, then you'll be fine. I, however, like being surprised by what the random feature chooses, I like being able to choose to put on that A. R. Kane record I've not listened to in years, because someone happened to mention something that triggered the memory.

PSPs are not selling as well as DSes because fewer people want to play the games on the move, and the portable video market is tiny in comparison to the portable game one.

Nothing about Music?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18938905)

I see everyone here seems to have failed to mention the fact that the PSP PISSES ME OFF!!!
Music playlists? HA! M3U playlists can only be created if all the music you want in your playlist is IN THAT FOLDER. How retarded is that? If I want to make multiple playlists, I have to sacrifice my memory stick space. Fuck that...
And after buying this, I can't afford to get myself an iPod.
BUUUT it does have nice homebrews and the graphics are nice. ....i guess.

All in all, I still love my DS more. It touches me in ways only my gaming computer can.

A very useful device (1)

mhocker (607466) | more than 7 years ago | (#18938907)

Personally, I have a PSP and, while I initially used it for games, I now use it almost exclusively as a video player. And in that capability, it's great.

I convert videos using the excellent and inexpensive PSPWare program, which takes a little bit of time but reduces the resolution to exactly the PSP's screen and lowers the filesize to about 140 MB per hour. That means with a 2 GB memory stick, you've got plenty to watch. The whole process can be automated as well.

On the battery life front, I've never understood the complaints about batteries. It lasts for about 6 hours at medium brightness and with a cheap USB-5V power adaptor, I charge it at the same time I sync it.

The one physical limitation is how to hold it, a common problem with all video players. I bought a Logitech case which folds backwards and holds the PSP so that it can sit on an airline tray table and be tilted properly.

With a nice pair of Bose noise-cancelling headsets, this thing is my constant companion on flights, because you can even watch it with a meal tray on your table. I often get people asking about it - it seems to particularly intrigue flight attendants.

As for games, I bought four of them but then basically gave up. I keep the Namco classics UMD in the drive but rarely play it. The problem with the PSP (its fatal flaw for gaming) is that it has really lousy ergonomics. The little nubbin thing is useless as an analog controller (and there is only one of them - why?), the shoulder buttons are not very easy to use and if you have large hands like I do, you get cramps from using it too long. I enjoyed Lumines for a while, got annoyed with GTA LCS without the 2nd analog controller, and have actually forgotten what the other game was.

It seems to do several web-related functions as well, but it always runs out of memory or seems to be straining that little processor quite hard, so I've never used these much. I could possibly see using it with my Slingbox but that's not Sony's way.

With all that said, do I feel like I wasted my money? No. It's a darn fine video player and I will be happy to use it that way until it breaks. I've logged many hours watching it that way and fully expect to log many more.
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