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New Horizons Releases Results

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the when-is-the-next-train-leaving dept.

Space 60

hendric writes to mention New Horizons had a press conference yesterday for the preliminary results from their Jupiter flyby. Quite a few images are also available on their site, like Europa Rising."

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jews did wtc (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18964433)

see the proof [jewsdidwtc.com]

Re:jews did wtc (1, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 7 years ago | (#18964725)

Fuking Cartman, it's not funny anymore!

Re:jews did wtc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18965903)

Lot of work for something very lame. Get a life.

great stuff (2, Interesting)

passionfruit (1091373) | more than 7 years ago | (#18964447)

very fascinating indeed. did you guys see the pictures of the massive volcanic plume rising from Io? i remember watching Io and the 4 moons of jupiter including Ganemede from my 2.5 inch refracting telescope as a child.

Re:great stuff (1)

dedazo (737510) | more than 7 years ago | (#18965749)

That photograph of the plume is one of the most amazing pictures I've ever seen. It was Voyager II that first gave us a glimpse of the Loki Patera volcano on Io and that was amazing enough, but that image just takes the cake. It has a ghostly 3-D deal going on that is simply breathtaking.

All this effort to visit a non-planet. (1)

Palmyst (1065142) | more than 7 years ago | (#18964461)

But at least, it is a taking the scenic route.

Re:All this effort to visit a non-planet. (4, Insightful)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#18965147)

It may be a non-planet, but none of the Kuiper belt objects have been studied yet, and Pluto is a start.

I wish the astronomy groups would get their adjective usage right, or at least consistent. A dwarf planet is somehow not a planet, but a dwarf star is a star. Sol is a dwarf star, so does that make it not a star? That sort of dissonance makes calling Ceres a planet seem sensible in comparison. Anyway, I support the notion of not calling Pluto a planet, I'm just disappointed that they had to odd twisting of words to do it.

Re:All this effort to visit a non-planet. (3, Interesting)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#18965495)

Calling the Sun a dwarf star is misleading. In terms of stars there are dwarf and giant categories, but for planets there is (now I guess) dwarf planets, planets, and gas giant planets. Our sun, is a dwarf star, but that is also called a main sequence star. Pluto is not exactly your typical planet it would seem.

Then again, I am of the mind that says pluto should be considered a planet, since even our own and those like it are dwarfed by the massive giants by many times more than it would seem we dwarf pluto. If we're going to make these kinds of petty changes like with pluto, we should just reorganize the entire system into a single 'collections of matter' scale, starting with the particles, moving up through comets, planets, gas giants, then onto stars, nebula, galaxies, what-have-yous, up to the universe itself. And we'll give these collectives a unified naming scheme so lame and mundane yet extensable and modular that it would make even Taxonomists cry themselves to sleep.

Re:All this effort to visit a non-planet. (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#18965943)

I think Neil deGrasse Tyson was onto something about Pluto though, it's mostly a ball of ice that would turn into a comet if it were to ever come as close to the sun as Jupiter is. The fact that it orbits at an angle well outside the ecliptic was another problem in why Pluto didn't fit the planetary sequence very well.

Gas giants can exist closer to the sun without problems, as witnessed by the discovery of "hot jupiters".

Re:All this effort to visit a non-planet. (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 7 years ago | (#18967119)

There isn't a "planetary sequence" and I bet Pluto is actually the most common type of body by numbers in the Solar System.

Re:All this effort to visit a non-planet. (2, Interesting)

mandolin (7248) | more than 7 years ago | (#18966105)

It may be a non-planet, but none of the Kuiper belt objects have been studied yet, and Pluto is a start.

It doesn't negate your point, but Triton (moon of Neptune) was studied by Voyager 2, and is quite likely a captured KBO. I imagine Pluto will look a lot like it.

Europa rising. (4, Funny)

HaeMaker (221642) | more than 7 years ago | (#18964469)

That would be a cool picture if it didn't have an ugly cheeto colored banner saying "Europa Rising".

Oh, and that other message that says, "ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS--EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE."

Re:Europa rising. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18964897)

> "ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS--EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE."

That's odd. It looks more like some long hexadecimal string to me. Uhh... 09 F9 11 ...
*** NO CARRIER ***

Preliminary results only! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18964511)

They are waiting for counts from the final precincts before declaring that these are indeed images of Jupiter and Europa.

Move this title dammit ! (5, Informative)

A_Lost_Frenchman (1034456) | more than 7 years ago | (#18964537)

You might want to see the photo of Europa rising from the original website : http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/gallery/missionPhotos/imag es/HighRes/050107/050107_01.jpg [jhuapl.edu] ( Especially after seeing the huge title across the first picture )

Re:Move this title dammit ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18967221)

Especially after seeing the huge title across the first picture

Why you *IAA shill.. you cannot hide the truth! [imageshack.us]

Die, censorship, die!

Wait a minute, this doesn't seem right... (2, Funny)

Merc248 (1026032) | more than 7 years ago | (#18964685)

Where the hell is the trippy 15 minute warp sequence?

Disillusioned (-1, Flamebait)

camperdave (969942) | more than 7 years ago | (#18964753)

Space is boring. Moon: dust, rocks, and craters. Mars: dust, rocks, and craters. Mercury: dust, rocks, and craters. Saturn's moons, Jupiter's moons, Pluto, Charon... the whole solar system seems to be dust, rocks, and craters. Sometimes I wish that they'd find some artifact or something in one of these photos to make it interesting. I mean, what's the point of going into space if all it is is dust, rocks, and craters.

Re:Disillusioned (3, Insightful)

isaac (2852) | more than 7 years ago | (#18964795)

I mean, what's the point of going into space if all it is is dust, rocks, and craters.

Don't forget gas! Gas and plasma and vacuum. Vanishingly little of space is actually dust, rocks, and craters, really.

But there's plenty of gas.

-Isaac

Re:Disillusioned (1)

Kazrath (822492) | more than 7 years ago | (#18964937)

Yeah but after a big bowl of beans I can find plenty of gas on earth.

Re:Disillusioned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18965243)

But where does that gas come from?

Re:Disillusioned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18965911)

I hear that Uranus is responsible for much of it.

Re:Disillusioned (1)

ady1 (873490) | more than 7 years ago | (#18972299)

But there's plenty of gas.
Darn eating habits.

Re:Disillusioned (1)

FluxIntegrator (1094517) | more than 7 years ago | (#18966101)

There is no point, unless we are capable of near light speed travel. There is NOTHING of real significance in our solar system, other than the Earth, (and, of course, the Sun as an energy source). We must stick to the Earth (and possibly the moon as a last resort) for now. There is no point in us spending all of this money creating probes that image planets that have absolutely no impact on life here on Earth. Granted, the technology they have developed is useful, and has contributed significantly, but we are wasting money we just don't have by actually sending probes to other planets. If that same amount of research was applied to practical applications, here on Earth, it could make life a lot better for all of us.

Re:Disillusioned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18967791)

If that same amount of research was applied to practical applications, here on Earth, it could make life a lot better for all of us.


Rhetorical question: Where do you think all that money and research actually goes? Look around, because we're sending less than a few thousand dollars of raw materials into space.

Re:Disillusioned (1)

FluxIntegrator (1094517) | more than 7 years ago | (#18968223)

It's not the cost of the raw materials, it's the cost putting those raw materials into space, and THEN making sure that everything goes as planned. When you're talking about the number of probes we've sent off, you're talking about a LOT of money. That money and research goes into designing a system that's going to tolerate the extremes of space, that's going to send back data over huge distances, and that's going to containing sensors capable of reading large amounts of data. All of those scientists and engineers could actually be doing something that would improve life on Earth. Instead their wasting time on their space toys. Let's face it. We have HUGE social issues that we need to deal with before any REAL progress is going to be made. Technology has the ability to deal with some of those social problems, and yet, these intelligent scientist and engineers are off wasting their time, building a hunk of metal that they are going to throw into space. I rest my case.

Re:Disillusioned (1)

Ihlosi (895663) | more than 7 years ago | (#18970409)

All of those scientists and engineers could actually be doing something that would improve life on Earth.

Yeah. Just think of all the weapons, bombs, guns, and various other war toys for killing $CURRENT_ENEMY could be built with all that manpower and $$.

Instead their wasting time on their space toys.

They're taking money that would be spent on war toys and don't spend it on war toys. That's good enough.

Re:Disillusioned (1)

Ihlosi (895663) | more than 7 years ago | (#18970461)

Technology has the ability to deal with some of those social problems,

Yeah. First thing, we need a device that's permanently implanted in every politician and that delivers electric shocks whenever it detects lies or BS. That would solve a lot of these problems.

Re:Disillusioned (1)

amilham (737749) | more than 7 years ago | (#18968895)

You say in the same sentence "Granted, the technology they have developed is useful, and has contributed significantly," and "but we are wasting money we just don't have by actually sending probes to other planets". If it has been useful and contributed significantly, why is it a waste of money?

Re:Disillusioned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18975771)

There is NOTHING of real significance in our solar system, other than the Earth
Well, *I'm* convinced! If a random internet troll says so, it *must* be true!

Re:Disillusioned (1)

djp928 (516044) | more than 7 years ago | (#18976549)

The day we lose our urge to explore is the day we stop being human. It's also the day our entire race shrivels up and dies. Nobody climbs mountains because there's something of value at the top. Mountains are climbed because they are there, and they need climbing. Similarly, the planets in our solar system are explored because they are there, and they need exploring.

I die a little inside everytime I hear someone say crap like this. Whatever happened to the spirit of adventure, the urge to explore, the desire to reach out and touch something distant, something huge, something different and strange just for the sake of doing it, seeing what's there, finding out if you've got what it takes to pull it off.

Science and research for the sake of science and research are the most pure forms of exploration and knowledge aquisition there is. If you only ever did things that had "practical applications" we wouldn't get very far at all, because we're not visionary enough to see the practical applications of lots of important knowledge we gain from research before we actually do the research. Short term, results-based thinking with little regard to the long term is killing corporations now, don't let it kill science too.

We all know he had ulterior political motives as well, but JFK said it best: "We choose to go to the Moon. We choose to go to the Moon in this decade, and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard."

Don't forget the gold (5, Informative)

Namarrgon (105036) | more than 7 years ago | (#18966289)

Check out the asteroid belt, next time you're in the vicinity. It's a gold mine, in every sense. The amount of wealth out there is "beyond imagination" [space.com] .

Just one moderate-sized asteroid (Eros) is estimated to contain $1,000 billion in gold [crystalinks.com] alone - more than has been mined (or indeed could ever be mined ) from Earth's crust in recorded history. Then there's the platinum and the other metals, minerals and rare earths, roughly $20,000 billion in total. And there's millions of asteroids in the belt.

It's not just the mineral wealth that has people interested. It's estimated that maybe half of the asteroids are carbonaceous, containing 20% water and a further 10% oxygen [nss.org] extractable from other sources (good fuel source stuff). Additionally, there are significant amounts of carbon and nitrogen - in total, enough basic resources to support human life on a huge scale. It's likely going to be easier to colonise the asteroids than to colonise Mars.

Food (1)

Goonie (8651) | more than 7 years ago | (#18966419)

That's all very well, but there's one very important thing that's going to be easier to do on Mars than on the asteroids - growing crops.

The energetics of growing crops with artificial light are just horrendous; there's only one crop where that's done with any regularity because of its exceptionally high value.

Re:Food (1)

yotto (590067) | more than 7 years ago | (#18966731)

Why do you need artificial lights to grow crops on an asteroid? Other than the vacuum (Needing stronger glass and better seams) it seems to me growing crops on an asteroid would be about the same as growing them on Mars.

Re:Food (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 7 years ago | (#18967009)

That's probably why they'll use sunlight instead. You'd have to be pretty far away from the Sun before artifical light becomes competitive with the real thing. Still, if they're willing to grow marijuana via inefficient sunlamps now on Earth, you can bet good money that someone will grow vital crops via extremely efficient light sources. It shows that artificial light is not that horrendously inefficient.

Re:Don't forget the gold (2, Insightful)

Repton (60818) | more than 7 years ago | (#18967609)

If we brought back a trillion bucks' worth of gold, would it still be worth that much?

Re:Don't forget the gold (1)

CommunistHamster (949406) | more than 7 years ago | (#18973443)

Of course not, but with a new insane surplus of gold, new uses might be found for it. That goes for platinum and other currently-rare-but-soon-to-be-abundant raw materials.

Re:Don't forget the gold (1)

Convector (897502) | more than 7 years ago | (#18976897)

But what would be the cost of actually bringing that material back to Earth? Would we expend more trying to get it than the metal's actually worth? Also, TFA quoted some number for the amount of aluminum Eros may contain, and then went on to say "similar amounts of gold, platinum, . . ." The chondritic abundance of aluminum is half a million times greater than gold (Lodders, 2003, ApJ 591, 1220), so I'm not sure where that comes from. (Lodders, 2003, ApJ 591, 1220). The mass of Eros is 7*10^15 kg. That gives 10^9 kg of gold in Eros. That's a far cry from the 20 million tonnes quoted for Al, but still much more than what has been mined on Earth. The mass of the Earth's crust (not the whole Earth, just the crust) is 5*10^22 kg. The Earth's crust is not chondritic and gold is highly siderophile, so the crustal abundance is much lower. Still even at only 3 ppb, Earth's crust contains more than 10^14 kg of gold, only a trace amount of which has actually been mined. So I fail to see how it's easier to get it from the asteroids than the Earth.

Re:Don't forget the gold (1)

Ihlosi (895663) | more than 7 years ago | (#18985253)

But what would be the cost of actually bringing that material back to Earth?



Why spend money on something that makes the material worth less ? If you care about space exploration, then any amount of somewhat-refined material that's not sitting in Earths gravity well is worth a lot more than anything that is.

Re:Disillusioned (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18966391)

Because nothing has been the way we thought it would be:
-Before we orbited the moon, everyone assumed the back would look like the front
-Before we sent a probe to Mars, nobody knew what to expect, anything a Martian civilization to... something like the Moon. Even now Mars has many aspects to it that deny simple explanation, things like what lies more than a few inches below its surface or why it has anomalous amounts of methane in its atmosphere
-Before we sent a probe to Jupiter, everyone assumed that the moons there would be cold, inanimate frozen rocks... rather than posessing the largest volcanoes and deepest oceans in the solar system
-Before we landed a probe on Titan, speculation was rife about what could be there, because you just couldn't tell. Now that have a vague idea, it's weirder than anybody guessed

If I can assure you one thing about Pluto, it will be that absolutely no one will have predicted what will be there correctly. And that's what makes it worth looking.

Re:Disillusioned (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 7 years ago | (#18967007)

Space is boring...the whole solar system seems to be dust, rocks, and craters.

The swirling paisely atmosphere of Jupiter, the volanoes of Io, white frost [wikipedia.org] on red Mars rocks, the rings of Saturn, the methane lakes of Titan, the spooky blue of Neptune are all quite beautiful and amazing in my opinion. And even craters [wikipedia.org] can be amazing. But easthetics are subjective and each to his/her opinion. Yes, Earth is best, but variety is also cool.

         

Re:Disillusioned (1)

BungaDunga (801391) | more than 7 years ago | (#18968585)

easthetics are subjective
I go for westhetics myself, but to each his own.

Let the countdown begin! (4, Funny)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#18964891)

Only 2994 days until we reach the closest mission path point to Pluto! As official decorate-for-the-holidays time manager for Sears, I have a special talent for knowing when to begin reminding people of important events so I declare the countdown to Pluto to be on! We'll start laying out the plastic globes in 2010...

Re:Let the countdown begin! (2, Funny)

HaeMaker (221642) | more than 7 years ago | (#18965041)

I only celebrate planet fly-bys.

What is this? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18964901)

Some kind of daycare study? Did they poll preschoolers on who's their favorite presidential candidate? I'm guessing Kucinich didn't win this one either.

PhotoPoint Guru? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18965499)

Dude, if you can't PhotoShop *that* logo out seamlessly, you'll never be able to paste your favorite celeb's head on a naked chick.

I suggested this and some other "Kodak Moments" (5, Interesting)

hendric (30596) | more than 7 years ago | (#18965739)

Before the flyby, the New Horizons science team asked a bunch of us amateurs at http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/ [unmannedspaceflight.com] to search for "pretty pictures", pictures that didn't necessarily have scientific value, but were beautiful and worth taking. Europa Rising and the Io and Europa conjunction [jhuapl.edu] were the first two returned. The others I suggested were two double shadow transits, a crescent Callisto emerging from behind a crescent Jupiter, and a crescent Ganymede in front of a crescent Jupiter.
Enjoying my 15 minutes of fame. :)

Re:I suggested this and some other "Kodak Moments" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18969303)

Nice, but they should have rotated it so that the local gravity field is down. This is how the
famous "Earth Rise" picture is oriented, and of course all the "xyz rising" pictures ever taken by people.

Baah, it has already seen Pluto! (2, Funny)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 7 years ago | (#18965809)

It has already seen Pluto! Twice, even! (one [jhuapl.edu] , two [jhuapl.edu] )

What are we going all the way there for again?? :-p

Three Answers (1)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 7 years ago | (#18966067)

  1. "We choose to go to Pluto in 2015 not because it is easy, but because it is hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win."
  2. "Because it's a really cool way to spend $675 million."
You choose.

Re:Three Answers (2, Informative)

samkass (174571) | more than 7 years ago | (#18966509)

... seriously, though, the opportunity for a good gravity-assist trajectory was there now, and since Pluto is hurtling away from the sun quickly, if we don't visit it now it'll be a lot less active until our great-grandchildren get the next opportunity.

In the 1970's NASA took color photos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18966261)

How soon we forget...

Excellent (2, Interesting)

madbawa (929673) | more than 7 years ago | (#18967459)

The pics are excellent and the technology is even more fascinating. I have one quick question though. Its not related to this topic in anyway. Request the mods to please not mark it offtopic as I would really appreciate replies:

I have seen a lot of photos of the Milky Way galaxy i.e. our galaxy (the pics show it being something of a spiral with our sun as a tiny dot). My question is how are these pics clicked? And how are they transmitted back to earth? As far as I know, to actually click the pic of a galaxy, you'd have to position the camera several light years away from the galaxy to get the whole view. So are there satellites sent that far out to click pics and how are they transmitted back? Is there a chain of transmitters in space at certain intervals to amplify and relay the image signal back? Any knowledge on this would be highly appreciated. Thanks.

Re:Excellent (2, Informative)

wwmedia (950346) | more than 7 years ago | (#18969193)

they are computer generated (from data gathered from various telescopes)

as for probes, only pioneer 10,11 ( Pioneer program [wikipedia.org] ) and voyager 1 and 2 Voyager program [wikipedia.org]

have left the solar system and are now somewhere in or past the very outer reaches of the solar system (take them millions of years to get to nearest stars??)

new horizons will be the next probe to join them

Re:Excellent (1)

rantingkitten (938138) | more than 7 years ago | (#18969347)

All images of our galaxy are either composite images based on what we can see from Earth -- a bunch of pictures put together into a whole -- or are not actually our own galaxy, but other similar spiral galaxies, used for illustration.

Doesn't anyone care about space anymore? (3, Interesting)

TheLazySci-FiAuthor (1089561) | more than 7 years ago | (#18967741)

It's sad to me that this story has so few comments. Outer space just holds less and less allure to the populace as time moves forward. Why is that? Especially as we are just starting to get some of the really sci-fi 21st century stuff going. is the 21st century to be the last century of space exploration?

It's the same with aviation in general, interest has been declining steadily. in 1980 there were 800,000 pilots in the US, now, just about 400,000.

I do believe that we are losing our exploratory drive; we are becoming more decadent?...nah. We're just exploring other things. Genetics and robotics, both will help us get up there I hope.

Well, you know what? Space is hard, and far. Maybe we just aren't ready for the journey yet.

hopefully someday at least our robots will be - they're already doing a bang-up job.

It will come back some day. (1)

master_p (608214) | more than 7 years ago | (#18969739)

Interest for space will come back some day. As it is right now, the world is headed for a second middle ages, with the difference that it will not last 1000+ years, due to technological developers. In this new middle ages, the vast majority of the population will fall for religions, astrology, and stuff, and there are going to be great wars.

When we come out of that, there is going to be a renewed interest for space. Too bad we are not going to be around to witness it.

Re:Doesn't anyone care about space anymore? (1)

noims (23711) | more than 7 years ago | (#18974513)

> Well, you know what? Space is hard, and far. Maybe we just aren't ready for the journey yet.

Space isn't that far away... only about an hour's drive, albeit straight up.

Mach 65! (1)

wirefall (309232) | more than 7 years ago | (#18969123)

If I calculated it right...putting it in those terms just makes it that much more impressive to me.
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