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Pidgin 2.0 Released

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the carrier-pidgins dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "After nearly two years of development, Pidgin 2.0 has finally been released! Originally called Gaim, Pidgin is a powerful and robust open source instant messaging client that supports many protocols. Pidgin 2.0 features a completely redesigned interface with attractive new icons and and a new status management system that was designed for optimal usability. Pidgin 2.0 also adds support for universal buddy icon management and smooth-scroll functionality for conversation windows. A comprehensive review at Ars Technica explores the new features in Pidgin 2.0 and demonstrates how to use the new D-Bus bindings with Python to make Pidgin's status system send updates to Twitter."

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249 comments

I wish to purchase a nigger (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18986421)

Please advise where to find one, tia

Re:I wish to purchase a nigger (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18987141)

you could try the GNAA [www.gnaa.us]

dat iz awesum nuz! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18986453)

GAIM wz a gr8 progrm so Xpect8Nz R hI 4 DIS foLow on. gr8 job!

VoIP (4, Interesting)

utnapistim (931738) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986455)

So ... will it support VoIP?

If it connects with GTalk (for example) it would be cool (and long overdue)

Re:VoIP (5, Informative)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986653)

So ... will it support VoIP?

Not this version. If you read the conclusion section of the ArsTechnica article, you will see that this is on the roadmap, but when is another matter.

Re:VoIP (1)

Fifty Points (878668) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986907)

GTalk as in Google Talk?
That is just Jabber, you know.
Just connect to Google.com and enter your username and password, and voila!

Re:VoIP (2, Informative)

utnapistim (931738) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986985)

Connecting for chat to GTalk is no big deal right now.

What I was interested in, was connecting to GTalk for VoIP. That isn't supported right now.

Kill pidgin (3, Interesting)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987471)

What I was interested in, was connecting to GTalk for VoIP. That isn't supported right now.

And that's after two years of development. It's laughable that slashdot needs to quote "smooth-scroll" and "new icons" as a major "feature".

Seriously, this is crazy. There's no webcam support - something that messenger has been doing since forever, and it's a major feature for IM. And no VOIP. That's why I keep using kopete, even if it's a memory pig: At least I do have MSN webcam support. It's sad that OSS IM's are in a so poor state.

Re:Kill pidgin (5, Informative)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987913)

If you've been reading up on the whole Gaim/Pidgin thing, you'll notice their lawyers told them to not make any drastic changes until they resolved the dispute. Since that's over with, I'd expect to see a whole bunch of new shiny things in the next few months.

Re:VoIP (3, Informative)

jbrax (315669) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987595)

So ... will it support VoIP?

Check out this open source VoIP and video conferencing software http://www.openwengo.com/ [openwengo.com]

WengoPhone 2.1 has instant messaging support, implemented using libgaim, can connect to MSN Messenger, OSCAR protocol based networks such as AIM or ICQ, XMPP based networks such as Google Talk and Jabber, and the Yahoo Messenger networks.

IT? (-1, Offtopic)

danbert8 (1024253) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986477)

Who thought up this category? How is Pidgin IT?

Re:IT? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18986523)

Probably because it is something that IT gets asked by management to prevent users from running (because management may say it wastes time). Oh, wait - that would put it in the "YRO" category though, huh - because most /.'ers still want to believe that a corporate computer is "theirs" and they have some "rights" to it.

Pidgin? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18986495)

You have to be shitting me.

What was wrong with the old name?

Re:Pidgin? (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986533)

AIM(tm)(R)(C) part.

Re:Pidgin? (4, Informative)

LordSnooty (853791) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986545)

AOL got upset, as I recall (AIM vs GAIM)

Re:Pidgin? (2, Funny)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986695)

So call it GChat, or NinjaChat, or FreakinSweetChat, or something else! But Pidgin?
It sounds like a jungle midget headhunter.

Re:Pidgin? (1)

borizz (1023175) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986835)

I like it. There are more than enough gsomething or ksomething applications out there.

Re:Pidgin? (5, Insightful)

syntaxglitch (889367) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986963)

So call it GChat, or NinjaChat, or FreakinSweetChat, or something else! But Pidgin?
It sounds like a jungle midget headhunter.
Try looking it up in a dictionary and considering why it might be an appropriate name. It's actually a fairly witty choice, just apparently outside the working vocabulary of most slashdotters.

Re:Pidgin? (2, Insightful)

owlnation (858981) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987185)

Try looking it up in a dictionary and considering why it might be an appropriate name. It's actually a fairly witty choice, just apparently outside the working vocabulary of most slashdotters.
Also handy for beating The Vulture Squadron - Dick Dastardly over at Yahoo, Muttley at AOL, Zilly at Skype, and Klunk at MS.

Re:Pidgin? (4, Insightful)

Goaway (82658) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986967)

Perhaps you need to get some exercise for your vocabulary of the English language, so that these new and unfamiliar words do not frighten you so much.

Re:Pidgin? (2, Funny)

Uniquitous (1037394) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987877)

The obvious mental leap is to "pidgin" English. Given the gibberish that a lot of people run back and forth through the chat pipes, it seems like an appropriate name!

That gives me an idea (4, Funny)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987399)

AOL got upset, as I recall (AIM vs GAIM)

I'm getting a bunch of guys together, we're gonna sue all the women for trademark infringement. And don't get me started on the blatant discrimination of the Hershey bar.

Re:Pidgin? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18986751)

What was wrong with the old name?
Portions of old name deemed excessively metrosexual by the unconfused members of the audience.

Pfft. (4, Interesting)

kraemate (1065878) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986505)

I cant believe that there is no jingle support yet.
IIRC, google released a library for voice extensions to the XMPP protocol quite a while back. When is gaim/pidgin going to incorporate it - so that i can make calls to gtalk users? The other clients like psi, kopete have already done this - why cant gaim?

Re:Pfft. (1)

SkunkPussy (85271) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986627)

I stopped using and recommending it 6 months ago, because I was fed up with the lack of progress on the project. Specifically, it stopped connecting to the msn network. Back then it was clearly a dead project, as 2 months would go by without the next beta version being released.

Re:Pfft. (5, Informative)

Miseph (979059) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986787)

Two months ago they were held back by an agreement with AOL that they wouldn't make any major releases as part of a trademark suit. A couple of weeks ago they announced that the project's name was changing, that AOL was getting off their back, and that they would resume non-beta updates. Lo and behold, they've released one.

Re:Pfft. (1)

kraemate (1065878) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986875)

Sure they have released a 'final' version. But it is no different than the betas. Heck, in terms of functionality it is the same as 1.5. Only thing they have bothered to change is the UI.

Re:Pfft. (1)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987307)

They also had a limited amount of time to keep using the gaim name in the code. I believe the time frame was 6 months to make sure all instances of "gaim" were removed so in essence AOL helped guarantee us a major release within 6 months. Also, the suit with AOL actually lasted a few years.

Re:Pfft. (1)

kripkenstein (913150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987473)

What do the legal issues with AOL have to do with not having Jingle support yet? Sure, the AOL debacle prevented releases, but no reason not to develop meanwhile...

Re:Pfft. (1)

CaptainDefragged (939505) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986837)

That's not accurate. The recent version of Gaim (2.0.0 beta 5) works fine with MSN on both Gentoo and Windows XP. There was a change to MSN that broke Gaim on Win32, but that was fixed pretty quickly.

Re:Pfft. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18987731)

Probably because you were using an older beta, that's what upgrading is for... You see protocols change, & upgrades take these changes into account. Software is like a car, if you want it to perform, you have to maintain it. Personally, I hadn't had any problems with Gaim/MSN for a long time, since beta3 or beta4. So yeah, probably your fault.

Re:Pfft. (4, Insightful)

igotmybfg (525391) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986715)

Because you and I are too lazy to write the plugin?

Re:Pfft. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18987113)

it's open source. you're a linux nerd. so go fix it smarty pants...

ms fanbioy

Re:Pfft. (2, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987787)

Last I checked, gaim's support for file-transfers was very hit or miss. More miss than hit really. Has this changed?

Any point in upgrading? (1)

rf0 (159958) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986541)

I've got a stable copy of 2.0.0.beta5 of Gaim so any point in upgrading as its stable and works. Great believe in if it ain't broke don't fix it

Re:Any point in upgrading? (1)

joshier (957448) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986625)

I briefly looked over the review, looks a fair bit different. I'm in a similar situation.

Re:Any point in upgrading? (1)

kraemate (1065878) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986639)

I use 2.0beta6 which is present in Ubuntu feisty. I couldnt find any new feature in the 2.0 version by reading the review.
I dont think i am going to upgrade any time soon.

Re:Any point in upgrading? (2, Interesting)

Vector7 (2410) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986697)

Sure, but by that logic you ought to be using Gaim 1.5. Basically every change to the UI in the 2.0 betas and Pidgin is a step backward. Their bizarre scheme for managing status is horrible and so confusing (and in the betas I've used, outright broken) that I've just stopped setting my status to away at all. They've added that useless Accounts menu to the buddy list, which makes the menu bar so wide that that you can't shrink the window down to a reasonable size without cutting it off (no, a 300 pixel wide window is not reasonable for presenting what is essentially a list of names under 20 characters). In the betas they did horrible things to the conversation window, with pieces misaligned and awkwardly jammed together, but that at least they appear to have cleaned up.

Re:Any point in upgrading? (1)

The Warlock (701535) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986719)

which makes the menu bar so wide that that you can't shrink the window down to a reasonable size without cutting it off

Do you really actually use the Help menu? I mean, really. Don't bitch about it if it isn't a problem.

Re:Any point in upgrading? (1)

Dragonslicer (991472) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987161)

Their bizarre scheme for managing status is horrible and so confusing (and in the betas I've used, outright broken) that I've just stopped setting my status to away at all
Seems like a user error to me, because it works fine on both Windows and KDE for me. I think it's a much more sane scheme than Kopete has, where you have to set a message and an away status separately.

Re:Any point in upgrading? (2, Informative)

bernywork (57298) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986823)

Works fine, looks different. Differnt icons, simpler layout. More pretty.

Re:Any point in upgrading? (1)

lpangelrob (714473) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986947)

Just went from 2.0 beta 7 to 2.0.0 (in Windows)... about the only difference I can tell is that the green ball in the system tray is now a smaller green ball with a chat box. That's a good thing; a green ball is somewhat ambiguous if it's just a green ball that occasionally changes to a chat box when I get a message. The upgrade process was painless. Pidgin is a fine example of open source software... pretty slick, most things just work.

Popularization (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986613)

I was going to say 'commercialization', but I don't think that's quite right. I think this is going to be a more common occurrence, with open source project looking beyond simple functionality to usability, appearance, etc, as it does help grab more users, especially in the non-Linux crowd. As long as improving the usability doesn't actually damage the raw functionality, I'm all for it.

Re:Popularization (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986643)

Oh yeah ... the name changes sometimes help as well. Gimp? Great piece of software, but in dire need of a new name. There's probably other examples too ...

Re:Popularization (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987109)

I think this is going to be a more common occurrence, with open source project looking beyond simple functionality to usability, appearance, etc, as it does help grab more users, especially in the non-Linux crowd.

I haven't used GAIM since I was running Linux solely back in the day (prior to 2002) and now that I use bitlbee I don't have any GUI client. Anyway, back on topic, my co-worker (who's not a Linux geek) wanted a client to do multiple IM platforms as he uses it to communicate with prospective students and heard about the new Pidgin release.

I hadn't heard about it until he mentioned it and said "it used to be called GAIM," and then mentioned that it was starting to install. I came back up to his area about 3 hours later and he said, "I uninstalled it, I hated the UI."

So I guess while it may appeal to the GAIM using Linux group it probably won't make any mass converts from the previous clients that are already out there, especially those that are using the AOL client like my co-worker.

Re:Popularization (2, Funny)

Zebedeu (739988) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987411)

You're right. If your coworker didn't like it, then they should just scrap the entire project.

Re:Popularization (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987553)

I really don't like the UI on GAIM, at least last time I tried it. I prefer Kopete much better. And trying to move somebody who isn't a geek from the pretty colours of MSN to the look of GAIM can be pretty hard. But what other choices are available for windows users who want to use a multi-protocol instant messenger. I just hope Kopete for KDE4 is available for windows. That would be a really nice replacement for msn, and all the other instant messengers I need to use.

Re:Popularization (2, Interesting)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987975)

Miranda IM is pretty lightweight, but can be made to be very slick looking if you want it to be via the $foo million plugins for it. It's also OSS, but windows only.

Already using it, much better than gaim. (3, Interesting)

Uniquitous (1037394) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986615)

Kudos to the developers, pidgin is a much less clunky interface compared to gaim.

Re:Already using it, much better than gaim. (1)

kraemate (1065878) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986689)

Well yeah, the previous gaim UI sucked big time. They have made some improvements, but not enough to qualify a separate version! This is more like 1.5.x.y

Psychic mode (2, Interesting)

Chang (2714) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986675)

Does anybody know what the "Display Notification Message in Conversations" option in psychic mode does?

Do that let people know somehow that you are using psychic mode?

I've been using Pidgin (gaim) for a long time but I just turned that option on today.

Re:Psychic mode (5, Informative)

DeusInnomen (857464) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986721)

The Psychic mode feature opens an IM window as soon as you get notification that the remote user is typing. So, you get an empty window with a typing notification before you actually receive an IM. Apparently, it works with the AIM, ICQ, Jabber, Sametime and Yahoo protocols.

Re:Psychic mode (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18986827)

MSN too. The empty message window says something along the lines "You feel a disturbance in the force."

Re:Psychic mode (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18987083)

Nice of them to document anything at all about that. Assholes.

Re:Psychic mode (1)

neaorin (982388) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987187)

This was in the 2.0 betas too. I've annoyed many a friend with it ;)

Re:Psychic mode (1)

Anonymous Drunkard (691025) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987597)

I don't know whether ICQ does this or not (it's been at least 8 years since I've used a standalone ICQ client), but years ago if you had a multiuser chat, each user had the option of seeing the conversation either "chat room" style (like IRC), or with each user visible in their own panel. When in panel mode, you could see your chatmates typing live - as in talk or ytalk. Everything they typed, you saw as it happened - mistakes, corrections, everything.

That was fun, in a morbid sort of way...

Re:Psychic mode (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987669)

Really? Just enough time to say, "Hi!"?

Jabber and IRC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18986703)

Personally I find better clients for both Jabber and IRC. It just doesn't feel right in Gajim (or Pidgin as it's named now). Compare gajim at http://www.gajim.org/ [gajim.org] (jabber client) to Pidgin's Jabber features and you'll see. Minus point for gajim is it's extreme memory usage and CPU usage. IRC in Gajim felt just wrong. X-Chat does a lot better job.

Please note I haven't used Pidgin.. only these CVS dumps Ubuntu ships as stable versions of Gajim.

Re:Jabber and IRC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18986969)

Gajim != Gaim

Features, features... (1)

ChTh (453374) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986709)

But will it download my ICQ-contacts off the servers, that I added a long time ago with libicq2000 which bypassed the pointless authorization steps, or will I have to bug everyone with requests? (And be bugged by others for that matter.) First thing I look for in an IM-client.

Re:Features, features... (1)

Niznaika (913305) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986817)

Thank you slashdot for the fragged server. For whom may concern, regarding the VV support, quoted from the pidgin track:

04/12/07 12:31:05 changed by hbons
There should be VV soon, if only to stop all the whining.

pidgin (1)

trollzor (858973) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986771)

Great, but where is all the VoiP and video work we were promised? There was some flamewar between gaim-vv people and the gaim/pidgin lead dev with people claiming he was working in google's interests and ignoring all their work. I don't know what the situation is there and who is at fault (maybe gaim-vv had a crap design/structure and he's legitimately not using that). What I do know is that there is gtalk video calling on the N800 [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2fhlh3hJs [youtube.com] ] which is Maemo based and that this hasn't found its way back to desktop linux. Skype are dragging their feet for almost a year after they promised video for linux and their latest alpha (1.4) doesn't even include it. Ekiga has good video, but the sound has never worked to anything remotely resembling a conversation for me.

So the state of linux video calling sucks pretty hard, maybe we get skype video in 6 months, maybe ekiga fix their sound quality, and maybe the gtalk work on the N800 finds its way into the next pidgin....

One thing I do know is that patents and people using proprietary standards are at the root of many of these problems, as the codec skype is using is licenced from some other company, not sure about the gtalk video but why else would they be dragging their feet? And ekiga certainly seems to need some kind of injection of technology, because the stuff they are using now simply does not seem to work.

Here's hoping google invests a little more in Pidgin because it sounds like the main dev is struggling (for whatever reasons) to meet expectations that 2.0 would have video and voice.

SIP? (1)

Monoman (8745) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986773)

I didn't see SIP support in my scan of the article. I currently have that ability with Trillian via a free 3rd party plugin to use SIP to connect to my employer's MS LiveCommunications server.

I am not sure if that is a must have for me so I will give the new version a try.

Re:SIP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18986995)

SIP/SIMPLE support has been added after a Summer of Code project implemented it.

Re:SIP? (4, Informative)

Bytefreak (576247) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987347)

SIP Support is there as of last year, won't help much as as MS have used non standard extensions for LCS....Happily there's a guy working on a gaim plugin for LCS which uses a modified version of the SIP/Simple code:

http://fixxxer.cc/blog-en/?cat=9 [fixxxer.cc]

It's still in the early stages, but it's getting there and has the advantage of being cross-platform and open-source, hoping I can use it to talk to our internal IM network from my linux box.

YOU FAIL IT (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18986793)

800 mhz maChine Prospects are very

Technobabble (5, Funny)

vjmurphy (190266) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986809)

"use the new D-Bus bindings with Python to make Pidgin's status system send updates to Twitter"

Or you could cross-connect the Bullshittean Field Emitter to the Warp Core Ejector using quasi-bosonic tachyon particles.

Any anyhow, shouldn't the Python, having been attracted by the Twitter, eat the Pidgin?

Re:Technobabble (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987615)

It's obviously Enterprise grade software.

You forgot to modulate. Modulation is everything. :)

pidgin-encryption? (3, Informative)

shr3k (451065) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986825)

It seems everytime GAIM had a new version, GAIM-Encryption [sourceforge.net] seemed to always be there with a new release of their plugin to work with it. But now that they made all these changes to Pidgin, I don't think Gaim-Encryption has followed suit. Has anyone been able to get the encryption plugin working with Pidgin? The installer for 3.0beta8 doesn't recognize Pidgin and, despite forcing an install, Pidgin won't pick up on the encryption plugin.

I'd say that's the only thing keeping me from embracing Pidgin at the moment. Otherwise, the new UI looks nice.

Re:pidgin-encryption? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18987419)

See this thread on gaim-encryption's help forum for the gaim-encryption port for Pidgin:

http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1 725921&forum_id=194059 [sourceforge.net] (pidgin-encryption-3.0beta9.exe)

Re:pidgin-encryption? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18987445)

Off-the-recording messaging [cypherpunks.ca] is better.

How is this different from the gaim-encryption plugin?
The gaim-encryption plugin provides encryption and authentication, but not deniability or perfect forward secrecy.

The interface is terrible! (2, Informative)

gpinzone (531794) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986869)

This is supposed to be a Trillian killer? The interface is horrible! I'm not even talking about the ability to "skin" the application. Simple things like notifying the user if he/she receives mail is ridiculous the way it's implemented.

Re:The interface is terrible! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18986945)

Dude, there are other operating systems out there than Microsoft's.

Re:The interface is terrible! (1)

spikeb (966663) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987133)

Have you ever even USED trillian? interface wise, it's a piece of shit

Re:The interface is terrible! (1)

khristian (1009227) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987295)

Except for a few strange things (like the "Image too large for jabber" error message that could say something more and had me Goggleing for clues), I find the Pidgin 2.0 (mine is beta6) much better than the previous in usability.
And one thing I've been missing in Linux was a GTalk-like Gmail notifier, which was quite well done by Pidgin.
Maybe it's just me, but I liked it.

Very nice UI (3, Interesting)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986881)

I like the new UI a lot - functionally, Pidgin is the same as the earlier Gaim 2.0 betas with a sleeker look. It also seems a bit more responsive, IMHO. The Pidgin guys have done a great job, IMHO.

PS: Will we ever get the stock emoticons for each IM protocol back again? The default ones stocked with Pidgin are nice, but i always preferred to see the "original" ones for each client.

Re:Very nice UI (1)

Lunar_Lamp (976812) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987107)

I think they were removed due to concerns about licensing, so I suspect unless the licences for the various clients are altered (or just their emoticons), we won't be getting them. It would be nice though, I agree.

Re:Very nice UI (1)

Dragonslicer (991472) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987225)

You mean they changed the protocol icons between the 2.0 betas and the final 2.0 release? Please tell me there's a way to change them back.

Re:Very nice UI (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987317)

I migrated from Gaim 2.0.6b to Pidgin 2.0.7b yesterday, and yes, the original emoticons for each protocol are no longer there - there's a very nice set of custom ones (supporting most of the MSN set) though. I'd still prefer the original ones... i guess a third-party package will appear sooner or later.

27MB install for a IM program? (1)

Faw (33935) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986901)

Sweet Zombie Jesus!!!

Re:27MB install for a IM program? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18987077)

What are you smoking dude ?
The install with GTK+ is ~11MB, without GTK+ is 5...

Re:27MB install for a IM program? (3, Informative)

Curtman (556920) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987305)

What did you download? One of these [sourceforge.net] ?

The Windows installer which includes Gtk+ is 11MB, and the one without is 5.5MB. Or it should be anyway. I don't see anything that is 27MB.

Re:27MB install for a IM program? (1, Informative)

Evil Cretin (1090953) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987543)

I'm sure you'd love Lotus Sametime then. It's a ~90MB install file and takes a good 25 minutes to install...

They should learn form adium (1)

simm1701 (835424) | more than 7 years ago | (#18986939)

Ok Adium uses libgaim (or libpidgin now I presume) but the interface is so much nicer.

It looks better, is easier to use and to configure - I much prefered using it - sadly I no longer have a mac and Adium is only on OSX - I sincerely wish it would be ported to linux!!

Re:They should learn form adium (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987401)

Adium has a nice interface, but it's also quite resource hungry (about on par with Thunderbird). I suspect that's because of the fancy UI.

Oh, and it's a PITA to get Adium to just give you a plain text representation of what's being written. You have to go to their extension website and hunt for half an hour until you find a theme that is somewhat ergonomic.

Slashdotted (2, Informative)

Brainix (748988) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987063)

Uh oh. The Pidgin server [pidgin.im] seems to be hammered, but you can still download it from its SourceForge page [sourceforge.net] .

My Analysis (4, Informative)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987195)

I've always rather liked GAIM and it has been a while since there have been real improvements, so I thought I'd take a look and see how far they've managed to come.

I liked

  • Interface looks better, if not perfect.
  • Nicer plug-in system

I disliked:

  • No Mac OS X support
  • No built in encryption or support for OTR
  • No support for voice or video.

One thing that annoys me is they took the time to add spell checking for both OS's. I love having spell checking in my IM client, but it is not a function that every single program should have to supply by itself. I'm already running a spell checker in my text editor and my layout application and my e-mail client, and pretty much everything else. This is one of several functions that should be provided at the OS level to all applications that want it, not by each application individually. Will they waste time adding grammar checking next? How about translations between languages? What about dictionary/thesaurus/encyclopedia lookups?

Calling all Windows and Linux developers. It is time to catch up and make universal services a built in function of the OS so developers stop wasting time re-implementing things and concentrate on features specific to their program, like encryption and VoIP support.

Re:My Analysis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18987379)

For the dislikes:
  • Adium exists for the Mac.
  • Encryption is not something that should be built in for multi protocol IM.
  • VV will come... if only for shutting the detractors up, like a slashdotter already quoted from the developers
  • Spellcheck is not built in. What is built in is the support for aspell, a multiplatform oss app. So nobody neglected the "important" things for it.

Re:My Analysis (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987479)

Adium exists for the Mac.

Yeah, along with other programs. That's not really relevant though for those of us working on multiple OS's. Lack of OS X support means 90% of the time, I would not even consider using this.

Encryption is not something that should be built in for multi protocol IM.

Why would you think that? I'd rather have one encryption system and set of keys, which I can encapsulate within any program, than one encryption system and set of keys for each protocol. Is it so hard to integrate something like Off The Record which provides encryption for a variety of IM protocols and clients?

Spellcheck is not built in. What is built in is the support for aspell, a multiplatform oss app. So nobody neglected the "important" things for it.

Well, I imagine it took a small amount of work to make that happen, but the point is taken. I mostly mention this because the current design of Windows and Linux has fallen so far behind in this regard and I hope by being a little vocal about it I can make more users and developers aware of what we are all missing on those OS's. But that is truly a gripe with Linux and Windows, not with the Pidgin project.

Re:My Analysis (2, Interesting)

Niznaika (913305) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987711)

Yeah, along with other programs. That's not really relevant though for those of us working on multiple OS's. Lack of OS X support means 90% of the time, I would not even consider using this.
So you want an ugly GTK+ interface vs. Cocoa (or whatever the OSX is using) ? They are both built on the libpurple library, there is no point in allocating valuable resources for porting something ugly for OSX instead of supporting the Adium guys. On the other hand maybe Finch (the text client for libpurple) may work on OSX. :D

Why would you think that? I'd rather have one encryption system and set of keys, which I can encapsulate within any program, than one encryption system and set of keys for each protocol. Is it so hard to integrate something like Off The Record which provides encryption for a variety of IM protocols and clients?
Well, if you are talking about encapsulating with any program, it means that your gripe is not with the pidgin devs.

Cheers.

Re:My Analysis (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987931)

So you want an ugly GTK+ interface vs. Cocoa (or whatever the OSX is using) ?

Why do you assume multi-platform programs would use the same UI? Does AOL instant messenger on Mac and Windows use the same UI?

Well, if you are talking about encapsulating with any program, it means that your gripe is not with the pidgin devs.

Yes it is. It is functionality that should be built in to the chat client. I don't want to have to go hunting for a plug-in or run my own proxy server. I want to double click on the icon and and have it just plain work out of the box. I want it to be used by default by all users of the client where it is supported on both ends, so that I don't have to talk people through setting it up on their end when I'm chatting with co-workers about work. Encryption should be the default for IM and it does not and should not matter which protocol you are using.

Proxy problems (2, Interesting)

Bwian_of_Nazareth (827437) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987227)

I have downloaded and installed Pidgin and it looks nice and all, but it does not seem able to tunnel through our proxy. So far the only IM that succeeds is Miranda which I hate soooo much. :)
The settings that work in Miranda are "" proxy type and proxy name, with no authorisation. No combination of HTTP, SOCKS4 or SOCKS5 with or without my account credentials seems to work in Pidgin. Which is a pity.

Re:Proxy problems (1)

Bwian_of_Nazareth (827437) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987287)

I did hit "Preview" but screwed up nevertheless. :-) The proxy type in Miranda is <mixed>.

Supports MSN Offline messages? (3, Interesting)

Robmonster (158873) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987233)

I find the main MSN clients Offline Message mechanism very handy when I want to ping a message over to a friend and be sure they get it the next time they login.

Does this new release suport this? GAIM 2 didn't.

all complain (2, Insightful)

aled (228417) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987259)

So many complains about GAIM/PIDGIN and still the site is slashdotted.

Jabber/XMPP File Transfer (1)

hey (83763) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987469)

That's the feature I want!!!
(MSN is laughing at us.)

pidgin.im down? (1)

esiminch (899049) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987631)

no success, trying to reach the website since today morning. slashdot effect or AOL sabotage?

bit3h (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18987637)

New Sounds Are Nice! (4, Informative)

Sounder40 (243087) | more than 7 years ago | (#18987755)

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