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Reiser Murder Case Gets Stranger

CowboyNeal posted more than 7 years ago | from the far-from-over dept.

The Courts 500

Fahrvergnuugen writes "Wired is running a story about how an ex-lover of the missing wife of accused spouse killer Hans Reiser has confessed to killing eight people unrelated to the case. While Reiser will still stand trial for the murder, this development will undoubtedly complicate things."

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hmmmm (5, Funny)

uberjoe (726765) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996241)

Does this mean I don't have to reformat after all?

Re:hmmmm (5, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996435)

> Does this mean I don't have to reformat after all?

Nope. Heck, kill -8 is just a floating point exception. It's kill -9 that Hans has to worry about.

On the other hand, the guy making the confession did fsck her...

/does anyone else smell brimstone, or is it just me?

Re:hmmmm (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996781)

Seriously, an accusation of murder doesn't mean that someone can't write good code. Hell, a conviction for murder wouldn't mean that. Someone with the icy logic needed to remove a threat permanently might find a career in the military - and the military has lots of programmers, and are the biggest murderers around.

is it still (-1, Offtopic)

bferrell (253291) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996249)

is it still first post if no one is posting?

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996251)

first post

Twofo GNAA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996257)

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Ouch (-1, Troll)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996291)

So Hans Reiser is a full-blown sociopath? Goddamn. Looks like he may have killed ReiserFS, too.

Re:Ouch (4, Informative)

Danga (307709) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996373)

So Hans Reiser is a full-blown sociopath? Goddamn. Looks like he may have killed ReiserFS, too.

If you can't even RTFA at least read the summary!

"ex-lover of the missing wife of accused spouse killer Hans Reiser has confessed to killing eight people unrelated to the case."

It is not Hans Reiser confessing to eight other killings, it is an EX LOVER of the wife who is confessing to eight other killings.

As far as ReiserFS, I don't really care if that dies since I don't use it myself. I am sure it will still be around a while though no matter what happens.

The bus factor of OpenSOurce (2, Interesting)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996681)

the sudden cratering of ResierFS demonstrates the huge Bus Factor of Open source software. Takeout one guy and major part of an operating system can suddenly become unsupported. This is a non-trivial thing. If you are a big bussiness do you want to commit your operations center to some Database or some communication protocol (say Samba) and filesystem (say ReiserFS) to open source solutions if suddenly overnight and with no warning it could become unsupported?

If linus got hit by a Bus tommorrow, Linux would no doubt survive but there would be a giant glitch in the force and depending on how things got restored Linux might very well start to lose it's focus.

It's a big opportunity for the Microsofts, IBMs, Oracles, SAPs and Novell's to point out that for bussiness operations continuity you should only buy software, open source or private, backed by a commercial vendor.

Re:The bus factor of OpenSOurce (3, Insightful)

DeadChobi (740395) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996901)

Lol. You're missing the point of open source, which is that, if something is mission-critical, and the maintainer falls off the face of the earth, anyone, and I mean anyone, can pick up the code and continue on. The practical upshot of this is that, if suddenly overnight and with no warning your software became unsupported you could hire someone to provide support because you have all the code.

Re:The bus factor of OpenSOurce (1)

Rimbo (139781) | more than 7 years ago | (#18997003)

You can say the same thing for any major endeavor. What would Apple be without Steve Jobs? Microsoft without Bill Gates? HP without Carly Fiorina? Who's at the top, and what decides who's the successor, makes a huge difference.

What are the odds? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996299)

I tend to think that the ex-lover who confessed to killing eight people should be investigated with respect to the disappearance of Han Reiser's wife. As I understand it, there is no evidence at this time tying Reiser to his wife's disappearance except for speculation.

Re:What are the odds? (4, Interesting)

Danga (307709) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996425)

Well they did find blood in his vehicle and house. From the article:

"Though no body has been found, Reiser was arrested Oct. 10 after the Oakland Police Department found small drops of blood in his house and in his Honda CRX"

Makes it a little fishy although I am sure I have small drops of blood around my house and in my cars too from small cuts and stuff happening while doing stuff outside. I would hope they need more than that to tie the "murder" to him. I think she just took off somewhere myself, I mean she was cheating on him so I don't think it is too far out of the ballpark.

Re:What are the odds? (4, Interesting)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996527)

Bear in mind that in forensics, the "drops" of blood can be microscopic. For example, when we hear that XYZ accused had 100 drops of blood on his clothing, it isn't necessarily the massively blood-splattered shirt it might sound like. Now, I don't know how likely it is that we might have drops of blood of such size around our houses/cars as a result of normal activity (which would normally go unnoticed). Still something to consider, though.

Re:What are the odds? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996553)

It was more than "small drops of blood". The front passenger seat in his car had been removed and hasn't been recovered yet.

Re:What are the odds? (2, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996797)

Small drops of blood.

I'll bet there are small drops of most peoples blood in their cars and houses. People bleed, it happens. This alone should not be taken as strong evidence of anything other than a bloody nose or cut finger.

Re:What are the odds? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996841)

> I would hope they need more than that to tie the "murder" to him

But he also owned a book on true murder stories!!

Your criminal justice system in USA == INSANE.

(ps: not joking, http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007 /03/72931 [wired.com] search for Masterpieces of Murder)

Bad line wrapping! (5, Insightful)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996313)

When I saw this story, I skimmed the first line, then got to the second, which read: "Hans Reiser has confessed to killing eight people unrelated to the case." It was a bit of a jolt. Then I went back and realized that it was referring to his wife's ex-lover, not to Reiser himself.

This is why you don't put a giant 10-word prepositional phrase between a subject and verb, especially if that phrase ends with something that could plausibly by a subject.

I did that too! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996355)

I was like "Holy sh*t!" But then I read the whole thing. However, if this guy confesses to killing 8 (maybe 9 people, he's not sure), why wouldn't he confess to her death if he did it? What, they're going to kill him an extra time? Make him serve an extra life sentence?

Re:I did that too! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996537)

Eight people, nine people, who's counting? Once you murder the first you're already a scumbag.

Re:I did that too! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996597)

However, if this guy confesses to killing 8 (maybe 9 people, he's not sure), why wouldn't he confess to her death if he did it?

I see what you mean, but given that he's just decided to mention that he killed 8 people (or maybe 9 : he's not sure whether the ninth one was dead!) and adds that he's decided to confess because it "seems relevant" then I find his behaviour far enough outside the norms I'm used to dealing with that I don't expect to understand his motives for anything. Maybe he wants to harm Reiser by leting him rot in jail, just like he wanted to kill a bunch of other people.

Re:Bad line wrapping! (4, Insightful)

SpectreHiro (961765) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996395)

Makes it real easy to twist the quote, too.

...accused spouse killer Hans Reiser has confessed to killing eight people unrelated to the case.

Re: Bad line wrapping! (4, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996413)

This is why you don't put a giant 10-word prepositional phrase between a subject and verb, especially if that phrase ends with something that could plausibly by a subject.
Unless you're writing in German...

Re: Bad line wrapping! (4, Funny)

SpectreHiro (961765) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996455)

Nope, then it'd just be a 1 word prepositional phrase that's 10 words long. ;)

Re: Bad line wrapping! (1)

treeves (963993) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996821)

well, the guy who submitted the story uses Fahrvergnuegen as his nick, so maybe he thinks in German. . .

Re:Bad line wrapping! (5, Funny)

solevita (967690) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996465)

I tried reading the summary aloud and the kill count almost went up a notch. Short sentences help readers breath.

Re:Bad line wrapping! (1)

fmobus (831767) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996501)

Same thing here. It shocked me the first time I read it, as it looked like Hans Reiser had confessed. I think a better wording would be (in bold):

"Wired is running a story about how an ex-lover of Nina Reiser (the missing wife of accused spouse killer Hans Reiser) has confessed to killing eight people unrelated to the case. While Reiser will still stand trial for the murder, this development will undoubtedly complicate things."
Somewhat related (and probable already discussed here in /.): doesn't a murder case require a body (or parts of it)?

Re:Bad line wrapping! (4, Interesting)

timster (32400) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996607)

doesn't a murder case require a body (or parts of it)?

As I understand it, this is mostly a myth, but without a body it can be awfully hard to prove that the victim is dead in the first place. As an example, spouses in abusive relationships often disappear and hide themselves.

Re:Bad line wrapping! (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996751)

I would assume that hiding from a spouse could be "easier" than hiding from the police.
Police have the ability to check bank records electoral registers criminal databases and hospital records.

Re:Bad line wrapping! (2, Informative)

Nutria (679911) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996815)

Police have the ability to check bank records electoral registers criminal databases and hospital records.

Pay cash, don't vote, keep your (figurative) nose clean, and be careful.

Re:Bad line wrapping! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996993)

Does that include hiding 5 feet underground?

Re:Bad line wrapping! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996505)

As a very close and personal friend of the Reiser family (I actually know Hans' father better than Hans himself, but that is besides the point), I find this whole episode showing the absolute worst in humanity on almost every level.

This whole idea of speculating over his innocence or guilt is making me practically throw up each time I see news items here on /. related to this issue. If you have the investigation team equivalent of a D.A. that is going through this with a fine tooth comb, you might be able to intelligently make your own semi-accurate conclusions as to his guilt. Mary Jane dies. For the rest of us, perhaps if we follow this very, very closely, we might be able to see the actual evidence that is presented to the court and make a judgement similar to a jury member.

If you are relying upon what you are reading or hearing from the popular press (even /. in this case) about what has happened, you are relying on deliberate misinformation and partial facts to come to a conclusion. Hardly the best way to come to any sort of judgement.

For myself, I see a very dear and personal friend who is going through a living nightmare in one way or another. A family that is litterally being ripped apart and a couple of kids that through no actions of their own are going to be permanently scarred emotionally over what the judicial system is doing to their family... even their extended family.

This is also in a small way economically affecting me personally, and I wish I had more money to send and help Hans out so he wouldn't have to go through this very drastic step. Mary Jane dies in Spider-Man 3.

At the same time, regardless of what happens, Hans' life in a sense is over and he is beginning something completely new from scratch. By selling the company he is also suggesting that perhaps it is time to move on with some other completely new project or even lifestyle. Mary Jane, having died in Spider-Man 3, has been denied even that sorry chance.

I pray for the day that Hans will no longer be a major news item on /. especially in this context.

MOD PARENT DOWN * SPIDERMAN SPOILERS (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996551)

Motherfucker

Re:Bad line wrapping! (5, Funny)

Iamthefallen (523816) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996641)

When I saw this story, I skimmed the first line, then got to the second, which [...] was a bit of a jolt. Then I went back and realized that it was referring to [...] a giant [...] p [...] e [...] n [...] i [...] s

Summarizing like a Slashdot editor is more fun.

Re:Bad line wrapping! (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996691)

Well Hans Reiser is an ex lover, right? After all, if she's dead, he aint exactly banging her (we hope). So the headline could very well be him (at least, that's how I interpreted it).

Re:Bad line wrapping! (1)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996997)

Well Hans Reiser is an ex lover, right?

There's only circumstacial evidence of that, and he's a Linux hacker. So, ummm....

Re:Bad line wrapping! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996721)

To their dubious credit, the slashdot editors just copied the line verbatim from the referred article.

Re:Bad line wrapping! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996755)

It's only confusing to people whose literary experience extends no further than comic books and fast food menus.

Re:Bad line wrapping! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996817)

...or are in a hurry.

Re:Bad line wrapping! (1)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996857)

When I saw this story, I skimmed the first line, then got to the second, which read: "Hans Reiser has confessed to killing eight people unrelated to the case." It was a bit of a jolt. Then I went back and realized that it was referring to his wife's ex-lover, not to Reiser himself.

This is why you don't put a giant 10-word prepositional phrase between a subject and verb, especially if that phrase ends with something that could plausibly by a subject.


It's even worse here. Not only is there the long prepositional phrase, but the word wrapping is such that the second line starts off as "Hans Reiser has confessed...".

Re:Bad line wrapping! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996983)

I thought that the strength of HTML is that it's a purely semantic markup and thus cannot be concerned with rendering issues.

just to be clear (5, Informative)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996325)

in case you mis-read the summary like I did at first: it was not Hans Reiser who confessed, but Sean Sturgeon, someone his wife previously dated. It is also unclear from TFA when they say "a one-time friend of Reiser's" whether they are talking about Hans or his wife.

Irrespective of whether Hans is really guilty, if this isn't enough to show a reasonable doubt I don't know what is. In light of this, it would seem quite plausible that he was framed.

Interesting tidbit at the end of TFA:According to testimony in preliminary hearings in the case, Nina Reiser had once dated Sturgeon, but broke off their relationship in January 2006 because she was unhappy with his lifestyle and taste for sadomasochism.

Sounds like they're all a bunch of real whackos!

Re:just to be clear (1)

drgonzo59 (747139) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996521)

You are right, if Reiser did it and then this other guy confessed to murders, then all 3 of them were a 'happy' bunch. It sounds like the wife had a taste for murderous psychopaths. Do murderers have something in common, say a lack of compassion or uncontrollable anger, that makes them attractive for certain (equally) deranged individuals...who knows...?


It is funny, after this case case I went and reformated my ReiserFS partitions to use ext3. Every time my machine booted I saw Reiser's last name and thought ..."this guy probably killed his wife". I don't hate him, I don't even know if he is guilty, I just didn't want to think about that every time I saw the f.s. name.

Re:just to be clear (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996827)

You've now created a situation where I want to make you associate an everyday thing with something that you don't want to think about, to see if you stop using it. Un|Fortunately, I can't think of anything, and it seems a bit too much of a dick move, so I move on.

Re:just to be clear (2, Funny)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996919)

ahhh...........can't.........move........or will think of a dick.........ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Re:just to be clear (1)

skuzzlebutt (177224) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996541)

So, Sturgeon is saying he killed 8.5 people, but he didn't kill Nina, Reiser did, but Sturgeon and Nina broke up because he was into S&M?

Yeah!!! Tech schools should use this case as a recruiting tool: "Still Think Programming is Boring? Think Again...!!!"

Re:just to be clear (4, Insightful)

harrkev (623093) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996909)

I can just see the defense now:

1) No body, so the prosecution cannot prove that she is even dead.

2) If the IS dead, she recently dated a guy who has confessed to eight killings.

What are the odds that he gets convicted?

Re:just to be clear (5, Funny)

vandan (151516) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996563)

I've thought he'd been framed from day one. He had some Department of Defense contracts for developing resier4. I wouldn't put it past them ( or the US administration ) to get bitchy over such a contract. Of course this is highly speculative, but what if, say, they asked him to implement something he didn't feel comfortable with? It's not like these guys have a problem with killing or imprisoning innocent people ( think Guantanimo Bay ). This is how they do business.

Turn in your tinfoil hat... (2, Funny)

warrax_666 (144623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996679)

Jebus, don't you realize? It was the ALIENS, man! The ALIENS!

Re:just to be clear (1)

jcgf (688310) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996705)

mod parent up, he's right!

Re:just to be clear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996707)

I was wondering how long it would take to tie the Hans Reiser case to Bush being evil. We should make a new variation of Godwin's Law for Slashdot and Bush.

Cowboy Neil's Law: As the duration of discussion continues, the probability of someone mentioning Bush is evil approaches one.

Re:just to be clear (1)

DeadChobi (740395) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996973)

Anonymous Coward's corollary: All discussions in which this event has occurred must degenerate into political bickering no matter how distantly related the original subject was.

Death Yoga (1)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996685)

In addition, Reiser alleged that Sturgeon wrote into a contract that Reiser must participate in Death Yoga, which he said has the purpose of slowing down ones heart to the point of death.
I really thought Reiser'd lost it the first time I read that, but now it sounds like Sturgeon might actually be the crazier of the two.

Re:just to be clear (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996723)

Common sense says if Sturgeon is going to spontaneously admit to 8 (possibly 9) murders, he'll probably admit to a 10th if it exists.

Unless he took (1)

warrax_666 (144623) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996785)

a dislike to Hans Reiser...

Re:just to be clear (1)

RajivSLK (398494) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996879)

Unless he is out to get Rieser because he married the girl who snubbed Sturgeon.

Re:just to be clear (4, Interesting)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996915)

Common sense says if Sturgeon is going to spontaneously admit to 8 (possibly 9) murders, he'll probably admit to a 10th if it exists.

It also says that if I wanted to frame some guy who I hate because I failed to steal his wife from him, I'd confess to everything but killing the woman, so that the cops will think exactly what you thought. So far in this case it seems the cops have been easy suckers, so it just might work.

Reasonable doubt (4, Insightful)

iamacat (583406) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996329)

If your wife's ex-lover is a confessed serial killer, the evidence against you has to be pretty damning for you not to create reasonable doubt. Like if he was videotaped by a policeman while committing a murder and later signed a statement that he is a person on the video. It's not a big stretch of imagination that someone who killed 8 times and didn't get caught is capable of some creativity when planting evidence.

Re:Reasonable doubt (5, Funny)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996385)

If your wife's ex-lover is a confessed serial killer, the evidence against you has to be pretty damning for you not to create reasonable doubt.

Well, either that, or she was just into psychos.

DIg a little deeper... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996643)

Hans was friends with this guy Sturgeon...

Sturgeon was allegedly molested as a child which directly motivated the killing of the other eight people AND the development of extreme sado-masochistic sexual tendencies... Which is a purported reason that Hans's woman both began and ended her affair with him.

The missing link is how Hans became friends with this guy and a gossipy answer at this point is that BOTH of them were involved in some very dark sexual practices & became close friends because of this.

Please note: I hope Hans is innocent, but this development does not appear to help him at all. If anything it may cause Hans's character to be called further into question based upon investigations into this other side of his life that was previously undisclosed.

Re:Reasonable doubt (1)

codemachine (245871) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996769)

Especially when Nina was never actually found. There is no hard evidence that she is even dead, though it does appear to be very likely.

It would be surprising if Hans gets convicted given the lack of a body, and the emergence of another suspect.

hmm (0)

Hemogoblin (982564) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996331)

In case anyone else read it wrong like I did:

Mr. Sturgeon, the ex-lover of Hans' wife, has confessed to eight murders. It wasn't Hans doing the confessing.

Light on details (2, Interesting)

Bryan Ischo (893) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996357)

The Wired piece is very light on details. It doesn't say who the Sturgeon person is supposed to have murdered, or where, or when, or whether or not any of them have any relationship to the Reiser case. Also it doesn't suggest whether or not investigators have correlated Sturgeon's confessions with any known facts about any missing people or unsolved murders. Or maybe this Sturgeon guy had already been charged in a bunch of murders and finally confessed. Who knows, the story is so light on details.

Does anyone know any more about this Sturgeon guy and his confessions?

Re:Light on details (1)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996515)

It doesn't say who the Sturgeon person is supposed to have murdered, or where, or when, or whether or not any of them have any relationship to the Reiser case."

True, but it does mention something about retribution for being abused during his childhood. We could make guess about who that might be... a priest from the local church? maybe an uncle(s) or cousins? etc etc

What I find intereting about his confession is this line, "He also said that Sturgeon had confessed to a potential ninth murder, but that Sturgeon wasn't sure if the victim was fully dead when he left him." Something about that just seems wrong.

Re:Light on details (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996687)

> What I find intereting about his confession is this line, "He also said that Sturgeon had confessed to a potential ninth murder, but that Sturgeon wasn't sure if the victim was fully dead when he left him." Something about that just seems wrong.

user9: I'm getting better!
sturgeon: No, you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment.
root: Oh, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
user9: I think I'll go for a walk!
sturgeon: You're not foolin' anyone, you know. Look. Isn't there something you can do?
root: # kill -9 reiserfsd
sturgeon: Ah, thanks very much.
root: Not at all. See you on Slashdot...

Death Yoga (4, Funny)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996377)

I am shocked -- SHOCKED! -- that the creepy S&M guy who was into "death yoga" and has now admitted to other murders, is suspected of Nina's murder. I mean, that's just silly. I saw the ELER cartoon, and he wasn't in it.

Re:Death Yoga (4, Funny)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996619)

Death yoga? I didn't read TFA, is Dhalsim involved somehow?

That is one confusing intro (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996399)

So Reiser is friends with Darth Helmet?

Son of a bitch (2, Informative)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996417)

My girlfriend's sister was one of her Nina's best friends, they studied together in a medical university in St. Pitersburgh. She says Nina's parents are devasted, she was the only child.

Of-course his guilt is not proven yet. Judging from the B.S. that was happening in that house this was not a happy marriage.

Re:Son of a bitch (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996545)

That's enough for me! Hang him!

Re:Son of a bitch (2, Funny)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996577)

Ok, but which one?

Re:Son of a bitch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996951)

And?

Ther are many unhappy marriages. It doesn't mean he killed her.

So, was the unhapiness before or after she whored around on him?

If Reiser really did it.. (1)

n1hilist (997601) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996443)

Wouldn't he have released the evidence and plans of the act under the GPL publicly? :)

Reiser's attorney speaks out (5, Funny)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996467)

"Look law, no Hans."

Hans Reiser has not confessed to killing anybody! (5, Informative)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996483)

Change the wording of the article! Yes, it's from the original article. But it's very clearly misleading and needs to be changed.

Reiser and Sturgeon had some serious conflicts too (4, Informative)

mo (2873) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996503)

from: http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_256204954.h tml [cbs5.com]

Apparently Sturgeon was sleeping with Reiser's wife before they finalized the divorce. Also, Reiser accused Sturgeon of trying to steal money from him, and of threatening him. So there's totally motive here for Sturgeon to frame Reiser for the murder.

Re:Reiser and Sturgeon had some serious conflicts (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996595)

Ok, all the other stuff you mentioned is totally relevent. But sleeping with the wife "before the divorce was finalized"? Once they're separated, who cares? At that point the divorce is just a legal technicality. If anything wouldn't it be more that Reiser would have a motive (jealousy) to frame the other guy?

Re:Reiser and Sturgeon had some serious conflicts (1)

diakka (2281) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996669)

This post is heavy on speculation, but this new turn of events totally gives motive to Sturgeon. If he killed 8 people, he's almost certainly a sociopath. How does a sociopath get revenge for an unpaid loan? Easy... sleep with his wife, kill her and then frame the debtor.

Re:Reiser and Sturgeon had some serious conflicts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996991)

Sounds like strong motive for either of them to frame the other.

heh (0, Troll)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996547)

fragmentation

A real sharp-witted fellow (3, Interesting)

spiritraveller (641174) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996601)

It's unclear when Sturgeon made the confession -- he would say only, "I have cooperated since day one." Asked why he had confessed at all, he responded with this question: "In a murder case, if somebody has killed, who is a witness, is it relevant? Yes or no?"

When this reporter responded that it was relevant, Sturgeon said, "Then you have the answer to your question."

Sturgeon added that confessing was one of the most difficult decisions of his life. He also regrets being a source of distraction in the case, joking that he is not so much a red herring as a "red Sturgeon."


Yep... a regular old Hannibal Lechter. Do you think he might have had some sort of grudge against Reiser? Spurned love, and then his friend gets the girl... yathink? Maybe he set it up so that not only does Reiser lose his wife... but then has to defend a murder case for killing her.

From what's been in the press, it seems that all the evidence is circumstantial. A criminal case can be proven by circumstantial evidence, but only when it's enough to exclude all other reasonable conclusions based on the evidence. Looks like this shoots the prosecution right out of the water.

On the other hand, if the prosecution had this confession a long time ago and they are still moving forward, it's possible they have some other evidence that we don't know about yet.

Thulsa Doom calls to you, heretic! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996603)

"My child, you have come to me my son. For who now is your father if it is not me? I am the well spring, from which you flow. When I am gone, you will have never been. What would your world be, without me? My son."
                                                                                                    -Thusla Doom
 
Get down on your fucking knees and pray for forgiveness. It is only by the mercy of Thulsa Doom that you live, motherfucker.
 
Thulsa Doom is back and he will kick your fucking faggot ass. Be greatful for his mercy or perish!
 
  Thulsa Doom!

Surreal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996631)

  • “You can't make this stuff up.”
  • “Trush is stranger than fiction.”
  • [insert your cliché here]

What's on Jack's Mind (1)

SupeRaven (1097861) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996635)

And the important question on Jack Thompson's mind?
"How can I tie this to video games?"

Re:What's on Jack's Mind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996877)

And the important question on SuperRaven's mind?
"How can I tie this to Jack Thompson?"

Let's fix the confusing writeup (4, Informative)

ZackSchil (560462) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996647)

"Wired is running a story about how Sean Sturgeon, an ex-lover of Hans Reiser's missing wife, has confessed to having killed 8 people. Hans is currently standing trial for the murder of his wife. Though the confessed murders are unrelated to the current case, this new information is sure to complicate things."

Finally! (4, Funny)

TheChromaticOrb (931032) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996671)

Finally the court will put it to rest. Did Hans shoot first, or was it the other guy?

Oh, wait... wrong movie.

muttered "kill -9" and... (3, Funny)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996697)

He probably muttered "kill -9" and the cops thought it was a confession.

Tag this horriblyworded (1)

SocratesJedi (986460) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996715)

I'm tagging this article "horriblyworded" because of the intense confusion the summary seems to be generating about who was doing the confessing. Will others do so too?

Crazy Soap Opera's (4, Insightful)

stox (131684) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996729)

I always wondered where they got some of the crazy idea's for Soap Opera's, I don't wonder anymore. I really feel sorry for poor Hans, assuming he is innocent. This is a nightmare of unimaginable proportions. Even if he "wins", he will probably be bankrupt from paying the attorneys.

Alibi ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996745)

Always journalize.

This is a surprise? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996761)

So, Reiser the homosexual, and his homosexual lover Sturgeon killed the wife. This is a surprise?

People, in the homosexual community, this happens all the time. We should not be surprised.

Wow, what are the odds? (5, Interesting)

HeavensBlade23 (946140) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996777)

If Hans Reiser is guilty, that means Nina Reiser went from dating one killer to another killer... What are the odds of someone just happening to date two murderers?

Re:Wow, what are the odds? (1)

Tickletaint (1088359) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996923)

There's no accounting for taste.

Re:Wow, what are the odds? (1)

Bugs42 (788576) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996955)

Hey, we all know girls like the "bad boys", right?

For those of us who don't keep track... (2, Informative)

TravisW (594642) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996855)

...the names of every project lead/author of every Linux project, from the Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] :

"Hans Thomas Reiser (born December 1963) is an American computer programmer famous for his contributions to the free software community in the field of file systems. In particular he is deeply involved in the Linux kernel development with his widespread ReiserFS journaling file system and its successor Reiser4. In 1997 Reiser founded and has since headed Namesys Inc., a software company specialized in operating systems and in developing and providing support for his file systems. He is currently residing in Oakland, California. Since October 10, 2006, he is charged with the murder of his missing estranged wife, Nina Reiser, and is currently being held on remand."

Seriously, it should be no real burden for submitters or even editors to add a one-phrase or -sentence bio for players not all of us may be familiar with, so that Linux laypeople here (myself included) know why this would even be construed as "news for nerds" at all.

Re:For those of us who don't keep track... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996943)

Why are you reading slashdot if you dont know who hans reiser is? Please explain.

Death Yogi (5, Interesting)

delire (809063) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996925)

By confessing to something really horrible you aquire a curious kind of trust in people: if he says that he didn't kill Nina then who would doubt him now that he so flippantly admitted to the killing of 8 others?

This of course can be a strategy in itself, it's a card he's earnt by confessing and can play against Reiser, someone he clearly wants to see lose everything (re 2004 case for attempted seizure of Reiser's business [cbs5.com] , Namesys Inc.).

Unlikely conincidence.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18996935)

There aren't many people actually capable of comitting a murder, so the fact that Nina Reiser's ex-lover is a self-confessed serial killer strikes me as a far too remarkable coincidence. And given Hans Reisers and Sean Sturgeon's relationship to one another it isn't all that far fetched Sturgeon would have reason to want to ruin Reiser. Hans isn't om the clear yet, he still might have killed her or perhaps done it with Sturgeon help but the smart money would be on that Reiser is innocent and that Sturgeon framed him.

This whole thing is very tragic, but it's also turning into an interesting case.

WOW (-1, Flamebait)

madsheep (984404) | more than 7 years ago | (#18996961)

WOW, yeah, this is um.. important news. Glad I wasted time reading this on slashdot. Cool. Let me know when the guy who helped contributed to OS/2 Warp's GUI's ex-wife's friend's neighbor does something bad.
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