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Surprise Arrest For Online Scientology Critic

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the don't-make-fun-of-the-FSM dept.

Censorship 954

destinyland writes "An online critic of Scientology was confronted at a routine hearing Tuesday with surprise arrest warrants and thrown into jail. Six years as a fugitive ended in February. (After picketing a Scientology complex in 2000 over the unexplained death of a woman there, he'd been arrested for 'threatening a religion' over a Usenet joke about 'Tom Cruise Missiles.') But 64-year-old Keith Henson had been out on bail, and was even scheduled to address the European Space Agency conference on Space Elevators. He's a co-founder of the Space Colony movement, and one of the original researchers at Texas Instruments. In this interview he discusses both space-based solar energy and his war with the Scientologists — just a few days before he was arrested."

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This is what happens (4, Funny)

42Penguins (861511) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067359)

when you mess with dark lord Xenu!
Hail xenu!

They sure have a sense of humor (1)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067617)

Come out of the closet Mr Cruise Missile

How is this appropriate for slashdot? (0, Troll)

astonishedelf (845821) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067371)

Why is this news?

Re:How is this appropriate for slashdot? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067533)

It's just a fucking wanker meta bitching.

Next time you are about to post a "Why is this news?" comment why don't you do us all a favor and hit yourself in the face with a keyboard.

Re:How is this appropriate for slashdot? (5, Informative)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067605)

Don't be hasty modding this a troll. Judging by the GP's number, he/she may not have been around for the scientology incident.

To answer your question, CmdrTaco was essentially forced several years ago to remove a comment from an AC that Scientology lawyers claimed was DMCA protected, namely a portion of their "sacred/copywritten" texts for OT3. The story is here [slashdot.org] .

Re:How is this appropriate for slashdot? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067819)

"The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet, 178 billion on average) by mass implanting. He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanos (Incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas and there "packaged".

His name was Xenu."

I hope that's short enough for fair use

Operation Clambake (5, Informative)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067953)

From Operation Clambake: http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/ [xenu.net] ------------ Who is Xenu? I'm going to tell you a story. Are you sitting comfortably? Right, then I'll begin. Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack. Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were over-populated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan. Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers). These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth where the paralysed people were stacked around the bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions. When they had finished stacking them around then H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and everyone was killed. The story doesn't end there though. Since everyone has a soul (called a "thetan" in this story) then you have to trick souls into not coming back again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by the nuclear winds he had special electronic traps that caught all the souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams were sticky like fly-paper). After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called "implanting". When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies. As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and they locked him away in a mountain on one of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery and Xenu is still alive today. That is the end of the story. And so today everyone is full of these clusters of souls called "body thetans". And if we are to be a free soul then we have to remove all these "body thetans" and pay lots of money to do so. And the only reason people believe in God and Christ was because it was in the film their body thetans saw 75 million years ago. Well what did you think of that story? What? You thought it was a stupid story? Well so do we. Unfortunately this stupid story is the core belief in the religion known as Scientology.* If people knew about this story then most people would never get involved in it. This story is told to you when you reach one of their secret levels called OT III. After that you are supposed to telepathically communicate with these body thetans to make them go away. You have to pay a lot of money to get to this level and do this (or you have to work very hard for the organisation on extremely low pay for many years). We are telling you this story as a warning. If you become involved with Scientology then we would like you to do so with your eyes open and fully aware of the sort of material it contains. Most of the Scientologists that work in their Dianetics* centres and so called "Churches" of Scientology do not know this story since they are not allowed to hear it until they reach the secret "upper" levels of Scientology. It may take them many years before they reach this level if they ever do. The ones who do know it are forced to keep it a secret and not tell it to those people who are joining Scientology. Now you have read this you know their big secret. Don't let us put you off joining though.

How the hell... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067377)

...can you be arrested for 'threatening a religion' ?!

Threatening a person, yeah, but a religion? If I express a wish that Christianity or Islam die out can I be arrested? What happened to America's much touted freedom of speech?

Re:How the hell... (4, Insightful)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067431)

Especially when most of the mainstream religions seem to have explicit "all the other religions are crap" clauses somewhere in their bylaws.

Re:How the hell... (4, Interesting)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067439)

It's a California law.

Seems to me, though, that it's one of those laws that aren't really enforced except when local authorities are pressured. The linked interview also suggests there's some collusion between the local government and Scientology... claims of a falsified "Failure to Appear" warrant dated from 2000, illegally storing documents not entered in the dockets.

Re:How the hell... (2, Interesting)

AccUser (191555) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067695)

Richard Dawkins is fscked if he ever goes to California then.

Re:How the hell... (5, Insightful)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067737)

As a religious person, it's a REALLY dumb law...

I mean seriously, we're getting to the point now where even doing something that could possibly be maybe related to a threat against a person/place/idea is a criminal offense. If you can be thrown in jail for picketing a group, especially if you have a good reason, then you have lost way too much freedom. I mean, if someone came and picketed my church I'd probably be more curious to hear their side of the story than wanting them thrown in jail.

Ugh...whatever happened to the place where you could jokingly punch your friend in the shoulder in school and say "I'm gonna kill you for that" then go off and demonstrate peacefully about something you care about and the police wouldn't care a bit?

Re:How the hell... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067857)

"I'm gonna kill you for that"

I feel threatened by you and I'm calling the police. The governement needs to do more to keep me safe. Maybe if it knew everybody's photograph, fingerprints and RFID chip, I would feel safer. Except for me of course, since I wouldn't hurt anybody.

Re:How the hell... (5, Insightful)

Mordaximus (566304) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067813)

Strange that a state law can trump a Constitutional right, no?

Re:How the hell... (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067889)

"illegally storing documents not entered in the dockets"

But the paperwork has been on display in the town hall basement since 2000!

*wishes he could remember Hitchhiker quotes better*

Re:How the hell... (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067639)

What happened to America's much touted freedom of speech?

That went out the window in 1798.

Re:How the hell... (4, Insightful)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067651)

Doesn't the thing you're threatening have to be an actual religion, not just some made-up bullshit about space aliens who fly around in 747s, too?

Re:How the hell... (3, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067701)

And the whole thing about zombie jesus and his invisible sky daddy isn't just some made-up bullshit? Seriously, what's the difference?

Re:How the hell... (2, Insightful)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067797)

Well, most religions don't require you to pay to learn the religious texts. Donations and the like are "heavily encouraged" but not required.

Re:How the hell... (2, Insightful)

philwx (789834) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067841)

I think what he means is, the leaders of Scientology probably do not even believe what they are preaching themselves, but are merely basking in the control and power it gives them. This would make it a different motivation, to say the least, than someone who genuinely thought they were trying to save your soul.

Re:How the hell... (1, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067881)

think what he means is, the leaders of Scientology probably do not even believe what they are preaching themselves

And Ted Haggard [wikipedia.org] does?

Re:How the hell... (5, Funny)

arivanov (12034) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067795)

Lazarus Long as usually has the answer: One Man's Religion as Another Man's Belly Laugh

Re:How the hell... (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067657)

You assume of course that you can actually call Scientology a religion.

Semi-Oblig. (1)

orclevegam (940336) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067679)

What happened to America's much touted freedom of speech?

You must be new here.

or, alternativly

Welcome to Soviet America.

Re:How the hell... (1)

pla (258480) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067749)

How the hell...can you be arrested for 'threatening a religion' ?!

As a better question, to commit such a crime, wouldn't you need to threaten, y'know, an actual religion rather than some drivel made up 50 years ago by a second-rate hack of a scifi author?

Re:How the hell... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067791)

...can you be arrested for 'threatening a religion' ?!


Not really. But threatening criminal organizations in a corrupted country is always a risky idea.

Re:How the hell... (1)

philwx (789834) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067803)

Let the Scientology --> Christianity bait and switch arguments, commence.

Re:How the hell... (1)

hkgroove (791170) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067843)

The man to ask is Arnie Lerma. He runs one of the anti-scientology sites - http://www.lermanet.com [lermanet.com]

His writing is a bit haggard some time to time, but I guess that's a side-effect of eating nothing but rice and beans on the SeaOrg. I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up in this discussion. You can say his name 3 times in-front of a mirror and he'll appear. Just like Biggie Smalls.

He was recently summoned here: Scientology thread on SomethignAwful [somethingawful.com]

Re:How the hell... (1, Troll)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067861)

Not threatening a religion.
He was convicted of interfering with a religion. The same law would apply to someone with a Nazi arm band protesting out side a synagogue with sign saying "Dirty Jews killed Jesus!". And I for one would be hard pressed to shed a tear if some was arrested for that.
He was protesting at their church. While I don't like Scientology and think they manipulate the law very effectively I have to say that there is also the Freedom of Religion in the US. People have the right to worship as they choose without being harassed. The balance between freedom of speech and freedom of religion is the question here. Now getting arrested for the Tom Cruse missile joke on a news group. That is totally bogus.
The law has good intentions but I don't know about this case. I also think this guy might be a little paranoid. I just don't see gangs of Scientologists killing people in county jails as being very likely. But then this is California so who knows.

Re:How the hell... (5, Informative)

jcr (53032) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067937)

He was explicitly threatened with being killed in Jail, during his trial. It doesn't take a gang of scientologists to make this happen, just a bit of money.

Read up on what Keith has gone through. Scientology is a very dangerous organized crime operation.

-jcr

I blame the voters (5, Insightful)

Bert the Turtle (1073828) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067393)

If you all insist on voting for people because of their religious affiliations (and indeed, expressly WOULDN'T vote for atheists) then what did you expect? Vote for religious people, and they protect religious ideas. No matter how perverse they are. To allow you to deride Scientology would risk allowing you to deride born again christians or catholics.

Re:I blame the voters (1)

Pyrion (525584) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067453)

Derision and threats are two very different things.

beware (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067407)

beware the tom cruise missle

Re:beware (2, Funny)

Farmer Tim (530755) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067919)

Hi, I have an arrest warrant here for an A. Coward...

What I want to know... (5, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067415)

Why is it okay for a religion to threaten me with hell, but not okay for me to openly state that I'm trying to bring down a religion? Isn't it my state-given right to work to destroy unfavorable institutions so long as I work within the confines of the law?

A law against "threatening" a religion is a violation of my right to freedom of speech.

Re:What I want to know... (0)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067481)

Does this sort of thing apply to religions in general? I mean, I've had people tell me things to my face that ranged from "I hope Christianity dies down" to "We should put religious people in camps (seriously)" and nothing ever happens to them.

I think the difference with Scientology is they have a lot of money, and they're very active in using that money to destroy your life if you ever badmouth their "religion."

Re:What I want to know... (5, Informative)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067599)

I still question whether you can call Scientology a religion at all. I think for a group to claim a nonprofit status as a religion it should be required to offer free religious services and only request donations. Scientology requires big $ to pass through their hurdles. That is a business, not a religion.

Re:What I want to know... (2, Funny)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067699)

Yeah, I'm not really sure how they can get tax-exempt status, given they're running the thing as a business.

Watch out, looks like theres Scientology fans with mod-points today :)

Re:What I want to know... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067731)

I still question whether you can call Scientology a religion at all.

Well, at least in Germany, courts have ruled they are a commercial enterprise and not a religion

Re:What I want to know... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067863)

Really?

I also hear that in Germany, they'll cook yer ass in an oven for being a jew.

STFU Nazi.

Re:What I want to know... (1)

D-Fens (176301) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067925)

German!=Nazi

dickhole...

Re:What I want to know... (2, Insightful)

aztec rain god (827341) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067933)

How big does a cult have to get before it molts into a religion? It seems to me like size is the only difference.

Re:What I want to know... (2, Informative)

rnelsonee (98732) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067601)

I think criticizing a religion is protected by free speech, but threats against a person, or group of people, no matter how large, are not not necessarily so. Among the several things the First Amendment doesn't protect (fire in a crowded theater, sedition...), out-and-out threats are in there.

Now, that being said, I think the statements he made should be considered criticisms, not threats. It's not like he said he was going to kill every Scientologist.

Re:What I want to know... (1)

philwx (789834) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067693)

I didn't know Scientology believed in hell..

Re:What I want to know... (4, Insightful)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067697)

Mod parent up!

How very insightful of you. Why should there be a problem with it? If I say I'm working to defeat the Neo-Nazi movement, it would seem no one would care but the Neo-Nazis and most folks would cheer me on. It wouldn't seem likely a judge would have me arrested, either. But as soon as I say I'm working to bring down Scientology, I'm 'threatening a religion'? As long as I work within the confines of the law, I should have the right to say what I want against any institution. That's why the Framers wrote the 1st Amendment -- because bad institutions should be openly criticized.

Re:What I want to know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067781)

That is because religions have a good lobby in politics/lawmaking, or had such good lobby in the past.

Look: a religion can write up loads of nonsense and other false claims and get by with it, even can ask actions against others who pinpoint that their claims cannot be true. A book written centuries ago by one or more fellow humans can be claimed to have special status into which nobody can interfere.

The situation is similar to that of the media industry. Any industry in the world has to compete and survive on its own, finding novel products and distribution methods when the times are changing, or sometimes the whole industry dies when there is no more demand for their products or method of distribution.
Not so with the media industry, whose old-fashioned methods get protected by an unrivaled set of laws, rules and taxes. They have a lobbying position similar to religion and thus find themselves in a comparably comfortable position.

Re:What I want to know... (1)

bcharr2 (1046322) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067793)

Let me play devil's advocate here. Consider the following statements:

"I am going to destroy your organization if I have to personally talk sense into each and every member of your group. In 20 years, no one will believe as you do!"

"I am going to destroy your organization if I have to plant the C4 charges myself!"

"I am going to destroy your organization even if I have to personally fund the lobbyists that convince Congress to revoke our citizens 'freedon of religon'."

The first statement is OK, the second statement is probably criminal, the third statement is just plain scary.

Re:What I want to know... (5, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067807)

Isn't it my state-given right to work to destroy unfavorable institutions
The state cannot grant rights; it can only restrict them. To say that any right is granted at the pleasure of the state is a recipe for disaster.

As to whether that law restricts your free speech, the claim is that "hate speech" is not protected by the Constitution, particularly when it interferes with the right of others to worship freely. The logic is that allowing people to threaten religions is implicit State approval of those threats.

I believe Scientology abuses the law; but I also believe the law is necessary to protect people's right to worship freely.

Re:What I want to know... (4, Insightful)

xENoLocO (773565) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067935)

I'd mod you up if I could.

Along the same lines... (speaking generally, not to you in specific) As a human, you have rights. The constitution was created to guarantee your rights are not trampled on. The constitution does not grant anything, it protects right you alredy had from being violated by a government.

Believe it or not, this country was founded upon the experience of people who were ruled by fundamentally corrupt governments. Over the years they've found ways to constrict how the constitution defends your rights... and that's why we have the sad state we're in today.

All religions suck (0)

boristdog (133725) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067423)

And I hereby officially threaten their deities with bodily harm.

Can I be arrested now?

Re:All religions suck (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067571)

most deities are not believed to have bodies, try better.

Re:All religions suck (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067799)

Scientology is a religion WITHOUT a deity. L. Ron Hubbard claimed to be a reincarnation of Cecil Rhodes, Maitreya (the future Buddha) and a hero who lived 70 billions (or quadrillions) years ago. Scientology claims it is compatible with whatever god you believe in (Buddhism does the same, actually - I have met atheist, monotheist (in Indonesia for example everybody HAS to be a monotheist) and polytheist buddhists), but Scientology is not compatible with christianity (which they want to destroy) nor Buddhism (which they try to embrace & extend).

Re:All religions suck (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067767)

Oh. Care to step outside and repeat that?

God
Supreme Non Existant being and heavenly champion in 5 seperate spiritual divisions.

Re:All religions suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067785)

And I hereby officially threaten their deities with bodily harm.

Can't Catholics be done for this? After all, they claim that the bread and wine is literally transformed into the flesh of Christ, and then they eat it! How is that not GBH and cannibalism?

Total BS! (5, Insightful)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067435)

As a Christian, I don't like seeing people criticize my religion, but I certainly don't want them arrested for it! WTF makes scientology so damn important? The same could be said for Islam. Why is throwing a koran in the toilet a hate crime, but dumping a cross in a jar of urine not?

I don't want to see people arrested for criticizing Christianity and I sure as hell don't want to see people jailed for criticizing other religions either! Why is the free speech of non-Christians important than that of Christians??

Re:Total BS! (1, Interesting)

SengirV (203400) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067569)

Because liberals hate Cristianity. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Re:Total BS! (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067709)

And conservative Christians hate liberals. Plenty of hate to go around!

There are liberal Christians but they don't get counted of course.

Re:Total BS! (0, Flamebait)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067913)

"There are liberal Christians but they don't get counted of course."
Cool! You get it! Frankly, I'm not sure you can be a Christian and a Liberal.
Mod me, Baby! Spread the love!

Re:Total BS! (4, Insightful)

starX (306011) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067673)

Because the crucifix in the jar of urine was art, and the Koran in the toilet was torture. If you put a Koran in a toilet in the middle of a museum, it would be art, and therefore okay.

I want to start an off topic discussion with you (seriously, I'm not trolling). Have you played Bible Fight at adultswim.com, and if so, what do you think? Grievous insult to the Christian faith? Over the top satire? Humorous satire? Not especially playable? I'm just curious.

Along the line of (1)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067831)

saying that firebombing a church was a good thing. I think you can agree that this would be a really bad thing.

And since some geeks can be real jerks at times, and since scientology is a favorite religion to dump on, I can see the guy getting all OCD about it, being a jerk, saying something really stupid. and then afterwards "Who? Me? I'm so innocent"

Of course, this could never happen. Didn't Imus just get fired for something that was taken as offensive to some? Of course, he said ity on the air, and was taped....

Re:Total BS! (1)

DiscoFreq (260884) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067921)

WTF makes scientology so damn important?
It's a billion dollar business: getting lots of money from rich idiots :)

Remember (5, Funny)

Grashnak (1003791) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067443)

No one expects the Scientology Inquisition!

Re:Remember (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067557)

Sadly, we are starting to expect it now. And I mean that in the least threatening way possible.

What a strange world. (3, Insightful)

u-bend (1095729) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067445)

Not knowing all the particulars of the supposed threat he was posing to the religion, it strikes me as odd that this can cause him so much trouble with the law. If he had been criticizing Catholicism as vocally for instance, would the same have happened? So remind me which elements of free speech we're not supposed to exercise anymore? We're not allowed to criticize Scientology, certain liberal agendas, certain conservative agendas, what else?

Re:What a strange world. (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067609)

If he had been criticizing Catholicism as vocally for instance, would the same have happened?

I'm going to take a guess NO [youtube.com] .

LOS ANGELES, CA - On April 12, 2007 (12:00 - 9:00PM), Niche.LA Video Art presents "Christ Killa," featuring digital and video artist Eric Medine.

Described as the ultimate arbitration between politics and Christianity, "Christ Killa" is a video game linked to video projectors and television monitors. A first person shooter in which the player shoots hordes of homicidal Jesus Christs, the game landscape is filled with Googled images of Christian propaganda posters, religious shrines such as St. Peter's in Rome, and clichéd representations of Christ who constantly mumbles messages of tolerance and compassion.

The audience is invited to participate in the carnage by playing the video game and watching short videos of the game in action.

Re:What a strange world. (5, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067891)

Not knowing all the particulars of the supposed threat he was posing to the religion,

The threat he posed was to expose their idiotic (and expensive) teachings, their lies and to illustrate what a malignant mind control cult they really are. This made him their enemy and they have been hounding him with nuisance lawsuits ever since. Unfortunately for him he made some throwaway remark on a usenet forum about aiming a missile at their HQ and they somehow managed to get him prosecuted for making terrorist threats as well as interfering with a religion.

His unrelating persecution by scientologists to silence and even jail the guy show who the terrorists really are.

AH (1)

FrivolousPig (602133) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067449)

He must have been picketing outside a free-speech zone.

Canada has no free speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067471)

If you say something that is deemed politically incorrect, you can be hauled in front of the Human "Rights" Tribunal and sent to jail for offending other groups of people.

This makes me sick.

Brave people (2, Insightful)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067475)

After reading that I'm surprised anyone dared to post anything in case they ended up in jail. Crazy, just crazy. Land of the free. Umm yeah.

Re:Brave people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067951)

You're not familiar with California are you? It is generally regarded as being wacko and out of touch with common beliefs in the US. For the most part if California thinks it's a good idea, the rest of the country doesn't.

Why only Scientology? (5, Insightful)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067517)

Is Henson the only person to ever have this happen to them? Has anyone had the same treatment for speaking out against christianity, islam, judaism, buddhism, etc?

If so, who was it and what happened to them? If not, why?

How long until people wake up and realize that scientology is not a religion but a dangerous, money-grubbing, control-freak cult/business?

Name one other religion that refuses to open its documents so someone can look at them WITHOUT you having to pay to see them.

Re:Why only Scientology? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067663)

but a dangerous, money-grubbing, control-freak cult/business?

and this is different from most big popular religions how?

Re:Why only Scientology? (1)

philwx (789834) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067765)

No one is going to kill you for not going to church? or leaving the church?

Re:Why only Scientology? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067759)

I'm not exactly sure what happened to them but it had something to do with being put into a volcano... Or was that in Joe Versus the Volcano? Crap, I keep get my plots all screwed up. Which one had the nuclear explosions?

Scientology aside... (1, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067527)

The Scientology issue aside, since even the submission can't get the actual charge correct -- why is the European Space Agency requesting guidance from an enthusiast/crackpot with no relevant technical expertise?

Re:Scientology aside... (1)

holiggan (522846) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067789)

Because all the Space Colony and Space Elevator engineers and experts were busy...

Fair Game Policy... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067885)

Are you the Operating Thetan charged with trashing Henson online?

The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly
http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html [xenu.net]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Henson [wikipedia.org]

Scientologists (4, Funny)

ReadbackMonkey (92198) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067553)

The more and more I read about how they push people around, the more and more I think I should join up with the winning team. These guys seem to be acquiring the kind of power the Catholic church had before the Reformation.

The only thing stopping me is I always thought L. Ron Hubbard was a terrible writer, and I can't imagine having to read all that crap as part of my 'religion'.

I swear to god (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067559)

If I see one more story about religion ruling our lives, I'm going to blow up every church/holy place in this country. /threat to religion

Tom Cruise Missiles (3, Funny)

yamamushi (903955) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067561)

What was the joke about Tom Cruise Missiles?

Re:Tom Cruise Missiles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067777)

They are only good for jumping on couches.

Re:Tom Cruise Missiles (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067849)

The Tom Cruise Missiles was the funny part, unforunately he preceeded it by saying people should be killed which is what has him in trouble now. Mr Hubbard was notorious for his policy of vendettas against any critics of scientology, by all and any means and it seems his spirit is alive and kicking in the movement.

California Hate Crime (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067575)

These are the laws of political correctness that liberals want to expand.

Xenu Built My Hotrod (5, Funny)

hkgroove (791170) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067591)

Thankfully, they're a bit more tame in Pittsburgh. I don't even think the people working the store are in a high enough level to understand my "Xenu Built My Hotrod" tshirt. Or on Halloween when I went as Tom Cruise covered in thetans (condoms). I just got some weird looks that day.

Religion? (0)

schnipschnap (739127) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067593)

Uh ... My religion is: Apple-foeboyism. Don't interfere! Or else!

Re:Religion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067821)

I'm stabbing an Apple right now... Yep... good ol' tasty Macintosh...

Scientology is a business (1)

arse maker (1058608) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067645)

Thats why they pursue legal action so strongly against all detractors, it protects their interests. Just like any company that gets slandered.. hurm.. i should have posted this through tor

Arrested for 'threatening a sect' ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067647)

Since when criticizing a sect, recognized as being dangerous in various european countries, has become illegal in the country of freedom ?

He Made Mistakes in His Fight (4, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067649)

I think this guy went about this in a very offensive way which lead to trouble. His posts were (in court of law [operatingthetan.com] ) to have said things like

Scientology is a business, and an unethical business at that. It is run by dishonorable men and women, and I will see it in ruins. Ahh, I love the smell of gun powder drifting on the morning breeze.
Now, I don't think they ever proved he said that and what concerns me is that, though I'm not a lawyer, postings on the internet are very hard to authenticate. I don't think that this could be submitted as evidence in a court of law unless there was a hard link between the post, the time of the post and the defendent.

If you want to "ruin Scientology," don't approach it like that. Don't align yourself with anyone that might make you an easier target for their lawyers. Ask questions. Investigate yourself. Don't do anything mildly against the law. Present your findings to newspapers or publish them online, but do not turn to violent attitudes. If you expect to be taken seriously about it, don't joke about it and don't joke about things that people might take the wrong way.

These people have a lot of money and a lot of lawyers, you have to be smart and careful and cautious if you want to expose them for what you believe they are.

WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067681)

Holy crap... I'm just surprised that we (Canada) have a Swat Team.

Is this Real???? (1)

Coleon (946269) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067685)

Can this be true?
I think this is a bad joke, maybe some kind of aprils fool from some lost island in Papua New Ginea or some place lost in the world.
Because its hard to belive that someone in a country that claims to be defending "humans right" all over the world could allow something like this to happend in his own soil.

I hope its a joke... really

Re:Is this Real???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067949)

It's real, real fascism. Like that "Christian" above who thinks it's okay to kill a million muslims. One day we'll nuke them to hell, USA fascists go to hell!

Way too much OCD going on here (-1, Offtopic)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067689)

Shouldn't we be more worried about people flying airplanes into skyscrapers and things like that, vs probably incompetent medical care? and if I recall correctly criminal charges were dropped because the Florida Coroner in the case was basically an incompetent screwball. [sptimes.com] (read down to see the problems with the testimony) To tell you the truth, some of the critics are overly OCD about this too. So much so that they scare me.

Re:Way too much OCD going on here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067961)

incompetent or bought/blackmailed off??

The end times (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067811)

This is all part of a 2000 year old prediction. When a bundle of the world's population disappears (which may be coming soon) everyone who is left is going to need to get an explanation. Rather than believing the bible that they have shunned up until that point, they can be told that the scientology aliens came and abducted all the inferior people. Most large and powerful religions (including the catholic church, mormons and our scientology buddies) work for the wrong boss and are planted here by satan to deceive the masses and give a bad name to religion in general.

Heson is Fair Game to Scientologists (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067817)

People,

You have to dig down below the surface of this incident and look at the history of what has been happening between Scientology and Keith Henson. Keep in mind that 1. Scientology has a special relationship with the U.S. government through the Internal Revenue Service (hint: Scientologist's tax deductions are huge and not available to any other citizens) and 2. Scientology has a religious practice called 'Fair Game' which allows them to trick, lie to, or destroy people.

You have been warned!

AC and proud of it

What is this "Threatening a religion" concept? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067827)

Since when does the fact that people believe in something make that something true, and, in this case, sacred? I am sick and tired for people justifying all sorts of preposterous (and quite frequently murderous - viz. the Muslim internecine war in Iraq) on the basis of religious beliefs.

Rights vs. Religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19067873)

Ahem, to address the "new kids on the religious block" who worship under the flag of Scientology, a hearty FUCK YOU to those who think for some reason your religion holds any more weight than any other religion. As obscene as this may sound, I make this statement as neutral as possible, to prove my point that Freedom of Speech should be the only thing prevailing here. Regardless of your religious beliefs, don't fuck with my rights. Period.

why you should care (5, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067931)

you beat enemies of free speech: religious fundamentalists, retarded ip laws, oppressive governments, etc. with more free speech

the only reason anyone would oppose free speech is if what they have to say would suffer if it had more scrutiny

scientologists have legions of zombie lawyers attacking anyone who infringes on their "intellectual property" and "religious principles" simply because if that crap got out in more general circulation, they would be revealed as the fascist ufo wackjobs they are

same with oppressive governments, same with ip lawyer whores

and so, in the spirit of the recent dmca take down notice on digg for a stupid numer [com.com] , i would like to serve and support keith and attack the immoral, yet somehow, incredibly, legal basis for arresting him by serving his cause: posting stuff the church of scientology does not want posted

the digg number fiasco prompted wordwide press coverage. this should to:

it is the exact same issue [kuro5hin.org]

expand the digg number revolution folks. use everything that was used in the digg number fiasco and make it used again. weidl it as a weapon agains tthose who wish to censor in the name of fascist religious fundamentalism and corporate greed. let this revolution continue! let them fear us, not us fear them!

i will respond to this comment with another comment with text the church of scientology does not want known

slashdot may get attacked by me doing this, slashdot has been forced to remove comments before [slashdot.org] . i may be attacked too. i don't care, because i know i am in the right, and i know this is important, and i know i have support

the proper response to my post of the sensitive scientology information? post it some more yourself. post it and post it some more.

post it more, post it more, post it more. post it everywhere. post it a million times

scientology has legions of aggressive fanatical laywers, but we, who love free speech are yet legion more

i support free speech, do you? did the recent imbroglio over that stupid number on digg stoke your righteous indignation at censorship in the name of corporate idiocy? well this man was just arrested in the name of religious fundamentalism. you should be stoked at this too. it is the exact same thing. let's make the revolution over the digg number a permanent fixture on the internet. let's band together and in the same of social justice fight these censoring fascist assholes

the proper response to keith being arrested is bomb post every and all sensitive church of scientology material any of us can find. the more the material makes those fascist assholes squeal, the more it should be disseminated. digg, slashdot, fark, every and all sites you can find. bomb post away, bomb away, bomb away

this is important folks. if a man can be arrested for making a dumb joke on a newsgroup, any of us can. so all of us should band together and prove the futility of what scientology thinks they are doing: when someone is arrested for simply criticizing their stupid church then us on the internet will respond by hurting them where they hurt the most: the mass public airing of that which they deem so personal and sensitive

dear church of scientology and your legal whores: fuck you you fascist censoring pricks

this is war

fire away

TFA is scary (1)

faloi (738831) | more than 7 years ago | (#19067955)

So the guy speaks out against a religion, which falls under hate crime laws in the liberal bastion of California (tolerance is apparently enforced by law there). He flees to Canada...where he's promptly arrested after (probably) false tips are called in by the group he's picketing. Call my cynical, but I'm betting California, which seems to have a lot of rich Scientologists that also are politically active, isn't going to be the best place to go to trial. Especially over a law that doesn't exist (at least to that degree) in most other states.
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