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Obli... (5, Funny)

BlueParrot (965239) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079587)

DMCA takedown notices because they were found in the decimal representation of some movies?

I am not an ICQ number !! I am a human being !! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19079613)



I am not an ICQ number !! I am a human being !!

But call me, #6 !!!

Who is #2 ??? Eric Cartman ?!

Re:Obli... (0)

dsanfte (443781) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079953)

The odds of those bits coming together by chance in a movie file, in that exact order, are the same as your odds of guessing another of the MPAA's hex keys completely by chance, out of thin air.

Re:Obli... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19080237)

Assuming your ICQ number is up to 9 digits, it's chances of being contained in a 9 GB movie are almost 1 [google.com] .

Re:Obli... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19080319)

The odds of those bits coming together by chance in a movie file, in that exact order, are the same as your odds of guessing another of the MPAA's hex keys completely by chance, out of thin air.

Wrong. The ICQ numbers aren't random, they go from 1 to how many users have been created. That means that when they reached 65535 users created, every 16-bit number had been used. I'm not sure how high the user count is now, probably around 32 bits.

So if the HD-DVD DRM had used 16 or 32 bit keys, they would already have them. NOT by chance, but by simple brute force.

The keys are 128 bits, though, so hitting them are going to take a few million years. Still not by chance, but by simple brute force. (Unless you count the chance of the key selected starting with 98 zeroes).

Re:Obli... (3, Informative)

75th Trombone (581309) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080327)

The odds of those bits coming together by chance in a movie file, in that exact order, are the same as your odds of guessing another of the MPAA's hex keys completely by chance, out of thin air.

Not correct. Let's think this through.

The infamous hex key you refer to is a collection of sixteen hex bytes. That's 128 bits, for a grand total of 2^128 = ~3.4 x 10^38 possible values. Your odds of guessing one of their keys is one out of 3.4 x10^38.

Now let's look at what GP said:

they were found in the decimal representation of some movies?

The decimal representation of those movies consists, by definition, solely of digits 0 through 9. ICQ numbers consist (last I checked) of integers between 1 and 999,999,999. So to be conservative, let's call an ICQ number any string of nine decimal digits.

If we converted a whole movie's worth of bytes into decimal digits, how many thousand ICQ numbers do you think we'd come up with? Especially if you start with any arbitrary digit and don't divide it into nine-digit chunks? I had typed out the math, but the point is already well enough made, I think.

irc.icq.com (3, Informative)

iamacat (583406) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079593)

You don't have to bother with registration or obnoxious UI. And if you use a fairly unique nickname, you can still keep in touch with friends.

Re:irc.icq.com (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19079805)

wow... that's just like... IRC! :O

They misunderstand (5, Funny)

empaler (130732) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079603)

Their ICQ accounts have not been baleeted, they've simply been reassigned to a new number.

If they can guess the number within 96 hours they can keep their account. Everything is the same eccept the number. A minor problem is that it does not update your friends' ICQ numbers if they're in the same lottery.

I don't see the problem.

Backups? (4, Insightful)

Soruk (225361) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079605)

Probably a server drive crash, and this is where we discover AOL have been reliably backing up their ICQ server to /dev/null all these years.

(and it seems mine is gone too, but I haven't used it in 4 years.)

Re:Backups? (5, Informative)

Viraptor (898832) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080063)

Seems it's not server problem (not for all at least):
Citing board post [icq.com]

"[...]This is a nasty ICQ6 bug, but it is fixed with a complete uninstall of all user data and reinstall.[...]"

Some other users also say that it helped. Maybe it's an organized hoax, but whatever. You may want to backup your data and try.

Re:Backups? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19080153)

And reinstall... Linux?

according to their status page (1)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080115)

No network problems.
If something goes wrong, we'll let you know here.


Hmm, looks like this is definatelly a case of the stupids.

Re:Backups? (5, Funny)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080181)

this is where we discover AOL have been reliably backing up their ICQ server to /dev/null all these years.

There's this wormhole theory that says all data you send in /dev/null will not be lost, but actually show up on a server in an alternate universe. So no all hope is lost!

Now all we need is to get to the other universe.

But beware: they might all be evil.

Re:Backups? (5, Funny)

Debug0x2a (1015001) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080209)

Probably a server drive crash, and this is where we discover AOL have been reliably backing up their ICQ server to /dev/null all these years.
Well...servers went down, lets go get those backups....

mount -t ext3 /dev/null /mnt/null

Um... sir... I think we have a small problem...

Still Around (1, Redundant)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079607)

People still use ICQ? I wonder if it's really seeing any significant numbers of new users, or if it's just the old people sticking around.

Re:Still Around (2, Insightful)

franksands (938435) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079633)

That's exactly what I thought. Oh, the good years of my first experiences with IM. The joy when they merged the chat with the messages. I wonder if my account still works.

Re:Still Around (5, Interesting)

Virtual_Raider (52165) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080161)

Apparently everyone and their dog use it in Russia. Right before they turned GAIM into Pidgin I installed GAIM 1.5 and logged on to my neglected yahoo and ICQ accounts. My 6 digit ICQ was still working up until this morning, and every single day I get at least 3 Russian girls (or so they claim) wanting to chat, and at least 2 spam messages in Cyrillic trying to get me to click in some shady URL that I wouldn't touch with Firefox barricaded behind the Proxomitron and a Firewall on an unpluged computer powered-off =P

At least one of the alleged Russkys I actually started chatting with is cute. They sure know how to make them in the Ukraine ;)

Re:Still Around (5, Funny)

Soruk (225361) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080255)

At least one of the alleged Russkys I actually started chatting with is cute.

Congratulations. You've been speaking to the goatse guy.

Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19080309)

At least one of the alleged Russkys I actually started chatting with is cute. They sure know how to make them in the Ukraine ;)
Are there many three-breasted Total-Recall-type Ukrainian girls? All that Chernobyl radiation has got to have had some effect...

Re:Still Around (4, Funny)

Rufus211 (221883) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079653)

I don't know if anyone still uses it, but I sure as hell remember my UIN even though I haven't touched ICQ since something like 2000. It's great how I can remember the now-usless 8-digit number for so long and not remember my parents birthdays.

Re:Still Around (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19079803)

Ditto brotha, ditto.

Re:Still Around (1)

ggeens (53767) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079923)

I still remember my number, and it still seems to exist on the server.

However, I have no idea what the password for the account might be or the email address I used back then. (Not that it would help: I no longer have access to those emails.)

Re:Still Around (1)

aywwts4 (610966) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080201)

I haven't checked in with it since... 99 or so, But my 8 digit username has been so ingrained in me i use mathematical mashes of it as strings for passwords. (I checked in to make sure it wasn't deleted, (I wasn't honestly concerned if it was) and I had to laugh, my password was three lowercase letters "bnm" now I use that parts 8 digit number in 16 character passwords. Times have changed.

Re:Still Around (1)

laffer1 (701823) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079699)

It seems like a generational thing. I'd be curious what services get the most sign-ups.

I just tried my ICQ account and it seems to work. Its a 6 digit and I almost never use it. Once or twice a year I might get on to talk to my old boss or people I worked with 7 years ago. I guess that means the delete operation was not for rarely used accounts. I wonder if there is another pattern like international users or something.

I gave up on ICQ after the windows client got so bloated. When I use it now, its an ancient mac client.

Re:Still Around (1)

eggstasy (458692) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079985)

I'm an international user, and thanks to the magic of gaim i am always on icq.
Nothing wrong with my account, so far.

Re:Still Around (1)

comp.sci (557773) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079749)

It actually is fairly popular in some parts of Europe, at least a lot of people are _still_ using it.
Does anyone have any more accurate statistics on this?

Re:Still Around (5, Informative)

zwei2stein (782480) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079917)

Number of people i _personally_ know who use ICQ: pretty much everyone.
Number of people i _personally_ know who use something else than ICQ: pretty much noone.

Here in Czechia, ICQ is simply THE im to use.

IT just makes no sense to register on something else when you know you wont be able to talk to anyone. And it makes no sense to switch if majority does no switch with you.

---

In the end stuff like aim or messenger have exaclty same type of bloat (sometimes even more anoying than icq bloat) and zero killer features.

Re:Still Around (2, Insightful)

gDoDig (674307) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080157)

IT just makes no sense to register on something else when you know you wont be able to talk to anyone. And it makes no sense to switch if majority does no switch with you.
That's why we use Trillian or stuff like that with which you can be online on JABBER, ICQ, MSN, AIM, SIP, IRC, YAHOO and localy with RANDEVOUS all at the same time, that way you are available to anyone and everyone all the time without the hassle of running multiple clients.

Re:Still Around (2, Interesting)

hclyff (925743) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079753)

People still use ICQ? I wonder if it's really seeing any significant numbers of new users, or if it's just the old people sticking around.
ICQ is still doing pretty good in Europe, I think. At least in my country. It is quite surprising when you consider that the official client is obnoxious piece of shit loaded with ads and crapware. Unofficial clients sometimes stop working, because someone decided it is good idea to do some changes in protocol and not tell anyone.

It shows that you don't have to be good at something, as long as you have critical mass of users locked in.

Re:Still Around (1)

wolverine1999 (126497) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079977)

I'm in Europe too but in my country everyone uses msn, not ICQ or anything else.
I did know one person using Google Talk once but that's all..

Re:Still Around (2, Interesting)

StarfishOne (756076) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080281)

In the beginning the client was quite nice and simple. Later on it became soo bloated I decided to follow my friends and to start using the MSN Messenger which was sooo nice and simple. Now the latter is also filled with useless features. :(

Don't these companies understand that there are many people who just want a simple, graphical chat window?

And yes, I also use IRC in a screen session every day.. but unfortunately just 5-10 other _technical_ friends are there. My experience is that it's nearly impossible to teach quite a number of less technical people how to use IRC.

Re:Still Around (1)

metlin (258108) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079791)

People still use ICQ? I wonder if it's really seeing any significant numbers of new users, or if it's just the old people sticking around.


What? Even if people don't, do you think AOL would want to give up all those eyes that you could target ads at?

Who cares about increasing the number of users when you still have a target population to serve ads to right now (especially given the way AOL's been going lately).

Re:Still Around (2, Informative)

am 2k (217885) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079847)

I'm from central Europe, and here everybody is using ICQ. It's gone so far that ICQ is synonymous with IM, and people exchange ICQ UINs instead of phone numbers...

Re:Still Around (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19079999)

In ex-Soviet Central Russia ICQ deletes people's numbers.

Re:Still Around (1)

schmilblick (913458) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080031)

Vote parent funny! 5+ years ago, ICQ was the IM to use here in Sweden, but almost everyone have moved to MSN Messenger instead now. Except for me. Im old [slashdot.org] :(

Re:Still Around (1)

riflemann (190895) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080081)

Um, where in central europe? ICQ isn't the predominant IM protocol for all central europe. In the Netherlands, MSN is all the rage, with 'msn' having entered the standard dutch vocabulary as meaning 'to im someone'.

Re:Still Around (4, Interesting)

Altrag (195300) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080171)

It seems that certain IMs just gained popularity in certain parts of the world for whatever reason. I was in the Philippines a few months ago and yahoo is the "IM synonym" there. ICQ used to be the big thing in my circle of friends back in the late 90s (it was pretty much the ONLY thing back then). Then moved to yahoo for a while (does ICQ even have webcam support in 2007?) and its sort of settled on MSN as my non-geek friends started to pile up. Don't really know why that came to be -- whether its just because its packaged with Windows or because they had far superior webcam support for a while there, or perhaps some other factor -- as I was one of the last people I know to switch up to MSN (back in my "lets hate on M$ cause its cool" party-lining days:P).

Re:Still Around (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19080223)

Umm, Netherlands is no way Central Europe, even if you ignore the new EU members.

Re:Still Around (3, Interesting)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080145)

I'm from central Europe, and here everybody is using ICQ. It's gone so far that ICQ is synonymous with IM, and people exchange ICQ UINs instead of phone numbers...

Same in Eastern Europe, although Skype appears to be catching up as a replacement.

Just few days ago I was talking to friends about the new ICQ6, and the conversation went along the lines of:

ME: you gotta check the new ICQ, they dumped the silly flash voice/cam, the terrible horn and oh-oh sounds. It's a lot better.

THEM: great! so are you switching back to ICQ (note: they are all on ICQ)

ME: no, but .. I at least won't start it with disgust anymore.

And just as I gave them this compliment (it is a compliment! i hated the damn thing), now this story runs. They're out of luck, for sure.

Re:Still Around (3, Informative)

Danniler (1098927) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080043)

At least among my frineds/colleagues there is no substitution for ICQ. Anyone with MS Messenger or other IM clients seems to be like a white crow. For example in Russia ICQ for sure has 90%+ IM share (if not 99.9%). I worked in central Europe - almost same situation. Everyone uses ICQ. And one more remark - official client sucks. That's true, so noone really bothers using it. There are so many nice substitutions. Like "qip".

Re:Still Around (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080333)

I used ICQ a lot back in '98, and for a couple of years after. I then switched to Jabber, and kept my ICQ account in use via a transport so I didn't lose my existing contacts. Since then, AOL bought ICQ and integrated the AIM and ICQ systems, so I can now use my ICQ account to talk to AIM users. I know a couple of people on AIM, and keeping my ICQ account stopped me needing to register a new account for AIM. I can't remember the last time I saw anyone online using an ICQ account number rather than an AIM screen name though.

Official response? (4, Funny)

Rahga (13479) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079629)

Official response? Expect something along the lines of "We are trying to determine if we do indeed host this 'ICQ' service and who would be in charge, but chances are, we either fired them or that quit years ago."

SQL Statement Gone Awry? (5, Funny)

ticklish2day (575989) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079641)

Sounds like they let a sql n00b [slashdot.org] into the production database...

"Jimmy, could you get me a report for user #12345678?"
"Sure boss, I'll use my awesome SQL skillz"

clacketty clack... osql.exe... clacketty clack clack
select * from IcqUsers

wait wait wait

"Hmmm, that user is very far down the list. I'll get rid of these earlier records so that record will show up faster."
clacketty clack... delete from IcqUsers where UserID
wait wait wait

"JIMMY WTF ARE YOU DOING???? CANCEL THAT QUERY NOW. YOU'RE RUNNING IT AGAINST THE PRODUCTION DB"
"Yessirsirright now sir!!!!!!!!!"

and you can complete the story.

That takes me back. (3, Insightful)

Misanthrope (49269) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079661)

ICQ was my first instant messaging client, modern clients owe a lot in terms of features to Mirabilis' innovations. Buddy pounces, file sharing, ability to send messages to people while they were signed off. It also had a generally fun feel to it's gui and sound design. I'm still peeved that it was also my introduction to account theft, somebody with a Czech email address is happily the new owner of my six digit number.

I met my fiancee on ICQ (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079665)

Haven't logged on in some time. Wonder if we're both still there...

Re:I met my fiancee on ICQ (2, Funny)

toetagger (642315) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079941)

That's almost as big of an accomplishment as meeting your fiance on Slashdot!

Re:I met my fiancee on ICQ (1)

HLN (38281) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080093)

Me and my girlfriend did most of our initial flirting on ICQ as well... and the same can be said about several of our friends. :)

Most of my contacts are online today and doesn't seem to be affected by this "mass delete misshap"...

Re:I met my fiancee on ICQ (2, Funny)

bheer (633842) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080279)

Your friends flirted with your girlfriend on ICQ too? What's her number again? :-)

Sorry, had to do it... (0, Redundant)

bigred85 (1030936) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079673)

Negative modding be damned, I have to get this out of my system.

"In Soviet Russia, ICQ number deletes YOU!!!"

Re:Sorry, had to do it... (2, Insightful)

PMBjornerud (947233) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079961)

Considering the the ICQ serves as a personal identification number, I think you actually got some truth in that joke.

ICQ was terrible from day one (1)

ztransform (929641) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079691)

I remember trying ICQ a long long time ago before yahoo! and msn messenger became popular. I hated the thing. I don't know what language it was written in but it was pathetically slow and bloated. I recall sticking with IRC until yahoo! and msn came up with better written clients.

Re:ICQ was terrible from day one (1)

Mythrix (779875) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079845)

Slow? I seem to remember that the first versions I used were quite fast. Only in the later versions it got bloated, and in the end "everyone" started using MSN Messenger so I switched to that.

As a sidenote, my ICQ number still seems to work, even though I haven't used it for years. If this really is a publicity stunt, it kind of worked, since it made me try to login. (Using Pidgin though.)

Re:ICQ was terrible from day one (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079907)

And MSN isn't bloated? Wow! I recommend something like Miranda... Then you'll have unbloated ICQ too!

Re:ICQ was terrible from day one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19079933)

Obviously you weren't around anywhere near "day one", because a)ICQ was "it"...no MSN, no Yahoo, nada. They were pioneers of sorts. b)ICQ ran just fine...before AOL got a hold of it but that point is moot now since all the "name brand" IM clients are bloated and full of stupid shit.

ICQ still exists? (5, Funny)

ddoctor (977173) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079701)

Is this just a publicity stunt to remind people that ICQ still exists? :)

Bad publicity is still publicity. :)

Publicity stunt... nothing to see here... (1)

urbanriot (924981) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079739)

I have both a six digit and seven digit ICQ number that I've had since the early days of ICQ and I had no issues logging in this evening, after not having logged in for at least a year.

Re:Publicity stunt... nothing to see here... (1)

Ainu (135288) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079793)

I too have a 6 digit UIN with no issues with logging in. Of course if it was a service failure more going down is unlikely. If it's someone's attempt on the service it may get worse.

low icq numbers suck! (1)

myspace-cn (1094627) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079767)

it would be nice of my low icq number came back one day, iirc is was back in 1996 on a windows nt 3.51 box, then people started getting hacked, so by 1997 i wasn't using it, i used irc instead, then in 2006, i decided to try it again using linux, and i find that i can not logon anymore, so i try it in the mirables official client and find i can't logon anymore. i have lost my original email account finally in 2007 (spam ridden after 10 years of web presence, so i finally deleted it.) what's in a number? why should i care? because i did have some friends (contacts) that i made way back, and they are now lost forever.

It's all about AIM in the end... AIM and spyware. (3, Insightful)

sycomonkey (666153) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079783)

I was under the impression that AOL has been trying to kill ICQ for years now. How are these people so (un)blissfully unaware of the situation?

Re:It's all about AIM in the end... AIM and spywar (1)

Scarblac (122480) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079949)

Well, I always just enter my ICQ number into Gaim, together with my MSN address, and it all just works (still does). All my old friends on the list are in it by their ICQ. I had no idea AOL owned it, though...

Re:It's all about AIM in the end... AIM and spywar (2)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080095)

Not possible. AOL have been haemorrhaging customers for years, which has limited their advertising revenue somewhat. No company wants to lose customers, even of free services, because it makes their portfolio look good if they want to sell.

This is more likely just a screw up.

Want to check, but don't have ICQ installed? (2, Interesting)

Raven737 (1084619) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079851)

I didn't use or even installed ICQ for at least 5 years
but wanted to check if my really old account with a nice 7 digit account number was still active.
Used: http://go.icq.com/ [icq.com] (no installation needed) to check.. and it is still working, guess i got lucky.
Now for another 5 years of not using it (but of course wanting to keep it :)

AOL to customers: (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19079893)

WE HATE YOU!

Just a friendly reminder

A victim of FUD (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079927)

They're probably just yet another victim in the FUD spread by AACS, and is now trying to clean up their act with all their numbers in use. ;-)

My guesses (2, Interesting)

Dragon Rojo (843344) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079935)

My 7 digit uin it's still active, I remember it like my phone number. Ahh those were the days. I left icq after all my contacts went to yahoo or msn.

My guesses:

1.- Someone broke in and messed up the db
2.- A random clean up?
3.- Publicity? (As stated in comments above)
4.- Server failure

That's insane (3, Insightful)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079963)

Almost everyone complaining has a 6 digit or shorter account number. They just f*cked their million oldest, most faithful users.

Thankfully, my number is 7 digits.

Re:That's insane (2, Informative)

WatcherXP (658784) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080015)

IIRC the numbers started at 6 digits. UIN's with fewer digits were internal staff use only. 127XXX = me

Computers that forget. (5, Funny)

n1hilist (997601) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079971)

I guess someone at AOL must've read a certain article about computers needing to forget...

AOL happened (1)

hxnwix (652290) | more than 6 years ago | (#19079997)

23192319 disconnected by peer
23192319 gets a worm in his ear
23192319, disconnected for a year!

23192319, there's no such thing as luck in hell.

-Celine

I DIDN'T DO IT (5, Funny)

Debug0x2a (1015001) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080163)

Oddly enough it was working perfectly until I went to create an account. BTW, my name is ";Drop Table;"

You can have mine! (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080273)

I've got a number in the 105xxx range for the right bidder, if you don't mind fielding the occasional obscure question about an IRC client. ;)

my ancient 8 digit UIN still works (1)

DylanDarko (1067596) | more than 6 years ago | (#19080285)

My account is still working, I didn't know there were 6 and 7 didgit numbers. I have an ancient 8 digit UIN from like '96 or '97, 2526xxxx. old skool icq was way ahead of its time, though i now only have one friend who still uses it as well. I still log on it frequently as it is set up on my Miranda client.
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