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Treadmill Workstation

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the maybe-i-need-this dept.

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coondoggie writes "Did you know you could lose as much as 66 pounds by sweating on your PC? Well using the Mayo Clinic's vertical workstation, that just might be the weight loss wave of the future. The vertical workstation is basically a desk mounted over a treadmill that lets office workers to kill two birds with one stone — send emails, check invoices and write reports and burn calories at the same time, say Professors James Levine and Jennifer Miller of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, who came up with the machine/desk. There are other things you can try as well. For example, the FPGamerunner, a USB full-size treadmill that works with any first-person shooter (FPS) game, has you covered. Walking on the treadmill moves your character through the game. Handlebars and buttons at the front of the $1,299 treadmill control your direction and fire your weapons." This seems like a lot better idea than me trying to collect Pokemon on an elliptical trainer which will no doubt one day lead to a very embarrassing obituary.

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God Smack Your Ass (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19144669)

God Smack Your Ass !

Linus Rulez!

JH

Sigh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19144735)

Is digg dying? The erstwhile trolls seem to be returning.

My workout (4, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144675)

I lift 4 days a week and do cardio 3 days a week. One of those cardio sessions every week is actually done on a stationary bike while playing video games.

It works fantastically...I find that I will stay on that bike for a MUCH longer time (roughly 30 minutes longer) if I am actively engaged with something other than my legs moving

Re:My workout (1)

Shrubber (552857) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144877)

One of those cardio sessions every week is actually done on a stationary bike while playing video games.

It works fantastically...I find that I will stay on that bike for a MUCH longer time (roughly 30 minutes longer) if I am actively engaged with something other than my legs moving
I do the same thing. In fact I was coming to quote the comment in the OP about playing Pokemon because that's exactly what I do. And I end up going a lot longer than if I were listening to music or watching television like I used to where I'd still find myself glancing at the clock. Instead I just want to catch one more...

Re:My workout (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145005)

I actually lift 3 days a week and do cardio 4 and have had no problems losing the weight. I use it as a cooling off period from work, putting all my frustrations into my weight training and sprints.

More than one idea to solve a networking issue or a software issue has come from the hour after work I spend at the gym.

Re:My workout (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145033)

For some reason it didn't work so well for me. I was playing games on a wireless controller while running on the treadmill and I found it to be too much of a distraction to the point that I kept just-about falling off the end of the treadmill.

Re:My workout (3, Interesting)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145083)

I'd comment that running and biking use the arms differently. Moving your arms is proper form for running while it is not for biking. I'd suspect that on a bike you'd be able to concentrate using your arms better (after all they're supposed to be available for steering).

Re:My workout (4, Informative)

FST777 (913657) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145275)

Partly. When seriously working out on a bike, you use your arms for strength (pulling your arms while pushing with the legs). Steering on a bike is indeed done with the arms at low speeds, but less so at high speeds. You then use your arms for strength and stability and use weight displacing to steer.

When you apply any serious force on a bike you need your arms to prevent yourself from sliding backwards out the sadle. Gaming can then become... interesting.

Re:My workout (1)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145377)

I do cardio on a recumbent exercise bike and the posture is fantastic for playing video games.

Re:My workout (1)

never2old (1102977) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145427)

I use a compact recumbent bike at home while watching TV, it's silent and doesn't bother the person next to me. I believe it would work under a corner workstation with no mods. Seems like a better solution than a treadmill. I could easily use my keyboard and mouse.

Re:My workout (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145339)

There are going to be a lot of dead fat people playing FPS games on a treadmill. Perhaps we need a new game,

Unreal Fat Tournament 2007, with special jelly donut shields for those who can't dodge quickly.

Re:My workout (2, Informative)

tgatliff (311583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145065)

You might want to think about shorting your cardio time and making it a little more intense... With proper cardio at the 85% Max HR for 20 minutes, there is no way you would want to play a video game.... You would also get a considerable better HGH release as well...

Meaning, personally combining fitness and play are not best because both are watered down. Meaning, you get poor cardio, but also it is not the best video game either... Just spend 20 minutes on the cardio and then you can play the game for the next 40 minutes..

Just a thought.. :-)

Re:My workout (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145199)

That's why the day that I do the stationary bike/video game combo, I usually have a 15-20 minute warm up time, a 15-30 minutes "exercise" time, and then an additional 15-20 minute cooldown time.

Yes yes yes, I know that's not exactly what "they" say you should do, but you know what? In 6 months, I have lost only 20 pounds on the scale, yet I have lost nearly 6 inches off my waist.

Between my lifting, cardio, and diet, I must be doing SOMETHING right ;-)

Re:My workout (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145233)

This is my view too. I see a lot of people "working out" without doing any actual work, and not getting their heart rate up. You see people taking a leisurely walk on the treadmill, or "jogging" for an hour and a half. These people would get much better work out in much less time if they upped the intensity. If you're working out hard enough, your hands should be too sweaty to hold the controller properly, even if you're just pedaling your legs.

Re:My workout (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145363)

I think the idea isn't to replace the intense gym workout - those people are already motivated and active. This is for the desk potato that would otherwise not exercise at all.

Re:My workout (2, Interesting)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145099)

Get a mountain bike and find a good local trail. That's much more fun, and you'll also meet some cool people. Road bike is fine too, and you'll meet even more people on that. But if you want something more like a video game, offroad is definitely the way to go.

Re:My workout (1)

Mordaximus (566304) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145375)

Get a mountain bike and find a good local trail. That's much more fun, and you'll also meet some cool people. Road bike is fine too, and you'll meet even more people on that. But if you want something more like a video game, offroad is definitely the way to go.

Mid January in Northern Ontario is not the time or the place to meet cool people while mountain biking, nor is it particularly fun. And even for those who live warmer areas, weather is still a huge factor. While riding singletrack in the rain is fun, it's also horrible for the trails. There are times you can't avoid being on a trainer, in which case I agree with the OP.

Re:My workout (1)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145675)

Winter is for snowboarding :)

Ok, maybe 1-2 times a week on a trainer to keep some form of base fitness.

But to use it as your sole form of cycling-type exercise all year round? That would make me insane. If it's nice out, go play outside. I don't think anybody who uses stationary bikes who then tried the real thing ever went back to going nowhere in their basement.

Re:My workout (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145193)

I ride my bike to work when the weather permits. Great exercise, and once you buy a bike, it's practically free. This helps me keep in relatively good shape and it also allows me to do 2 things at once by combining working out, and traveling to work. Oh, it's also faster than the city bus. Riding a real bike is much more interesting than riding a stationary bike. Even those complex ones at the gym that simulate hills.

Re:My workout (2, Insightful)

ubuwalker31 (1009137) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145195)

My biggest complaint is that American businesses don't encourage people to get exercise, they just want you to sit at your desk and get work done. Getting up, moving around, stretching your legs, taking the stairs, socializing, is all prohibited or frowned upon. This might not be a big deal for people who work 7 or 8 hr days who can get to the gym in the morning, but it is brutal to hard workin guys like me who put in 12-14hrs at work.

I have been following the exercise plan on simplefit.org a scaled down version of crossfit, which is an exercise and calisthenics program that US soldiers and police officers use to keep fit. I went from not being able to do a push up, to being able to do 20 girlie pushups on my knees, to doing 30 pushups in three months.

Re:My workout (1)

kavalec (1072894) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145551)

VR + excercize equipment has been suggested for a decade. What's the holdup, I wonder?

Goatse! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19144679)

Goatse! [goatse.ch]

Your new homepage!

Great (3, Funny)

thbigr (514105) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144681)

I work for an Electric company. I suppose they will want to sell the power that is generated.

exercise hummus (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19144695)

I slathered hummus on the AMD CEO at work when he exercised in the company gym. that'll teach him not to spread his soporific messages through graphix curds (cards) that make me content to seek a s*x doll while he slips in my house to impregnate my wife!

One consideration (3, Funny)

dreddnott (555950) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144701)

I'd like to know whether this USB Treadmill is bus-powered, or if I'll have to deal with the inconvenience of plugging yet another power brick into my surge suppressor...

And another (4, Interesting)

dreddnott (555950) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144909)

I posted the above as kind of a joke, but I became curious and visited the official Gamerunner website [gamerunner.us] .

Apparently the treadmill actually will sell for $495 plus S&H, once they get their store going.

And from looking at the actual manual for the thing (warning: PDF! [gamerunner.us] ) it looks like it uses two USB connectors (one for keyboard, one for mouse) and the display panel is powered by two AA batteries. You'd think there would be enough bus power in two connectors to power a low-end LCD display.

Riiiight... (4, Funny)

Mockylock (1087585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144709)

I wonder how many people will get wrapped up in the game, bust their ass and get shot across the room after they've been "PWNED".

"Well doctor, someone was spawn raping us and the next thing I know, I was trying to pry my head from under the sofa. I was pwned."

My users can bearly walk and chew gum (4, Funny)

techpawn (969834) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144713)

I'd love to see them walk on a treadmill and try to send email at the same time.
Granted, IT would get called to fix the treadmill if it broke.

Re:My users can bearly walk and chew gum (1)

whathappenedtomonday (581634) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145121)

Hm, you should educate your users [bemidjistate.edu] then! It might also help to get rid of those bears.

Have you ever been in a gym? (2, Interesting)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144725)

Workout machines make noise, which would add to the normal office noise levels.

Some of us need a reasonable level of quiet to be able to concentrate and work effectively.

Re:Have you ever been in a gym? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19144813)

Some of us need a reasonable level of quiet to be able to concentrate and work effectively.

I've never seen any cubicle-based office with any "reasonable level of quiet".

Re:Have you ever been in a gym? (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145203)

I work in a proofreading / communications cubicle farm.

The "keep quiet" rule is enforced.

Re:Have you ever been in a gym? (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144895)

And that is the exact reason why I use a set of studio style headphones (at least 25+db drop). Works miracles as far as concentration in an open office is concerned.

Your mileage may vary? (3, Interesting)

thousandinone (918319) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144753)

I dunno how effective it would be for me. I have to get up to a pretty decent run to get my heart rate to a point where its any real benefit, and I doubt I could type well at a run. As for FPS, most of them already reduce your accuracy when your toon is moving; compound that with the physical movement of your body and you probably won't be hitting much; this problem could be mitigated by just having pixel perfect aim in the game and letting the actual movement be the cause of inaccuracy, but I can see that being abused...

Re:Your mileage may vary? (2, Informative)

wibald (725150) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145209)

The whole point of the workstation model (not the FPS) is for an office worker to walk at a very moderate pace for the entire time they are working at the PC. That is, walking instead of sitting. If you sit on your ass for 8 hours a day five days a week at work this would have you walking, albeit slowly, for those 8 hours instead. With the added bonus that you probably won't be munching on junk food while you're walking. It isn't the same as a 5 mile run but I doubt you get much work done, or get paid, on your 5 mile run.

Re:Your mileage may vary? (4, Informative)

Chmcginn (201645) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145349)

100 calories per hour * 8 hours per day = 800 per day. 5 days a week = 4000 calories per week. That's like running a marathon. Just over 40 hours instead of 3 or 4.

Only for the hardcore gamer (5, Funny)

The-Ixian (168184) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144765)

Imagine moving that treadmill controller around to LAN parties. Only the most dedicated to weight-loss would attempt it, but man would it be hilarious to see the 300 pound guy sweating his ass off getting that thing through the door.

sweat and nano (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144783)

I was on a training trip a couple weeks ago - and ended up using the elliptical trainer in my hotel. (Didn't feel comfortable running in the neighborhood) I learned not to set my ipod nano face up in the little holder on the machine. One morning some sweat dropped on it and got into the nano under the click wheel. It didn't really work quite right until it dried out. (It was working fine later - I left it sitting upside down to dry out)
 
The tv in the room had cnn on, so I read the little news ticker while I listened to music and worked out. Being able to check email would have been very cool. Though I think to read it easily, on a machine with a lot of up and down movement - I would need the text to be large and a decent distance away.

Re:sweat and nano (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145665)

No offense meant, but that's a really boring anecdote.

Game Runner (1)

escay (923320) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144799)

For those that can afford it, the FPGamerunner looks like a cool idea, not for exercising (nothing beats a good solid 3-5 miles of outdoor running) but for enjoying the game itself more. Oddly, the Gamerunner [gamerunner.us] site quotes the price as only $495 and not $1299 as quoted in the article.

Even better, (1, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144803)

Think of all the exercise you'll get while mowing lawns to raise the $1299 to buy it!

Hard to Watch While on a Treadmill (2, Interesting)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144811)

I find it is hard for me to keep my eyes focused when I watch TV while using a treadmill. I'd think it would be even more difficult to try to focus on text on a monitor and use a keyboard/mouse too. There is the issue of sweat getting on the keyboard and mouse. A stationary bike might work though.

It really works (4, Funny)

pytheron (443963) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144819)

According to xe.com, you lose 655 pounds straight away !!

Re:It really works (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145175)

Ouch. It actually took me longer than 5 seconds to get that. I feel stupid.

Treadmill + GTA3 (1)

tubbtubb (781286) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144839)

I've been running 2mi 2-3 times per week on my treadmill while (attempting) to play various FPS games.
It's a blast, and it really takes my mind off the boredom of jogging far more than listening to music or watching TV does.

I'd suggest you wear a helmet if you're going to try this, though:)

Somebody help me out here (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19144845)

If it's an urgent email do I have to run faster?

Re:Somebody help me out here (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144929)

it would make my day if there were a way to flip that around - so that a user had to do some physically difficult feat in order to flag an email as urgent.

Re:Somebody help me out here (1)

friend.ac (1071626) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145067)

it would make my day if there were a way to flip that around - so that a user had to do some physically difficult feat in order to flag an email as urgent.

Yeap.. just use Vista - I'm sure you'll burn off several hundred calories each time you want to do that ;-)

Whatever, won't work where I am (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144875)

Why? Because the lardasses get medically excused for being, whatelse, lazy lardasses. They even get handicap stickers for being so big. We had 3 go for gastro surgery only to put 3/4s of the weight back on within 2 years.

The people who need to lose the weight are the last people who will try. Let alone at work, with medical insurance as it is with government inteference either my medical bills will skyrocket as they are entitled to these machines or my medical insurance will skyrocket to support continuance of their condition because it would be "hateful" or "discriminatory" to tell them they are fat and have to do something about it.

I cardio 3 days a week and strength train the other 3 days. I do this in the peace and quiet of my home, usually with a DVD playing. Considering how much I sweat I don't need a keyboard, mouse, or other sensitive device near me when I exercise.

Re:Whatever, won't work where I am (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145079)

I guess you don't know much about genetics, do ya? :-)

no perpetual motion machines (4, Insightful)

magarity (164372) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145547)

I guess you don't know much about genetics, do ya? :-)
 
It's a simple formula: calories in - calories burned = fat stored.
If calories in - calories burned = fat stored * magic_genetics_modifier then you've invented energy creation from nothing or destruction without release.
 
In either case, the genetics excuse for obesity is incompatible with the conservation of energy. The genetics track really means some people have faster metabolisms and burn the calories or don't have as efficient a gastro system to extract calories from food. Other people have slower metabolisms or more efficient gastro systems to get every bit out. People in the latter group need to eat a lot less and/or find a way to burn off more (exercise). Convincing people of formula #2 above is just more helpless victim mentality.

Re:no perpetual motion machines (1)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145715)

I have to agree. All "bad genetics" means is you have to try harder than other people. I've known people who could wolf down anything and still be thin as a rail (and in fact, known some people who wolfed down everything to *try* to gain weight). But if you're fat, then its not because of genetics, its because you're eating too damn much and not expending enough energy.

I'm overweight. I don't make excuses. Its because I eat too much and sit on my ass all day. My genetics don't help, but I'm going to be thin eventually because I'm putting in the effort.

Re:Whatever, won't work where I am (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145345)

I'm offended by that. I'm overweight (medically obese) at 260lbs (should be 180, apparently.) I don't like being fat, but I refuse to have surgery to deal with it. I have an elliptical machine in my house and a bicycle which I barely ride, but I find I don't ever have enough time. I -want- to lose the weight, but life tends to get in the way.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to diet and keep your energy level up for work? Probably not, as you're skinny enough to call people 'lardasses'. Staying skinny is a hell of a lot easier than getting skinny again. Eating healthy helps, but at some point you need to cut calories (and therefore energy) to lose weight.

The Wii is fun, and a little exercise, but not nearly enough to do the job. This device takes that a step further. If it really -is- fun, and not just a marketing gimmick, then I'll probably buy one for my living room.

Re:Whatever, won't work where I am (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145627)

>>I don't like being fat, but I refuse to have surgery to deal with it. I have an elliptical machine in my house and a bicycle which I barely ride, but I find I don't ever have enough time.
>>

Frankly, the only reason you don't have time is that you don't prioritize your health. You can't fit everything you want to do in life. You must prioritize. If you work so much that you don't have time to exercise, you might be in the wrong line of work.

Yeah, it's hard. I lost over 100lbs, but I had to change my lifestyle, not try to 'fit it in.'

Re:Whatever, won't work where I am (3, Insightful)

bwcarty (660606) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145655)

Let's see, you have an elliptical machine and a bicycle, but don't have enough time to use them; however, you also have a Nintendo Wii, which you do seem to have time for, and you're considering a machine that works in conjuction with video games.

Sounds like video games are a higher priority than health for you. 30-60 minutes a day on the elliptical or bike a few times a week would be a good start. The weight won't disappear overnight, but over time, it will have some positive benefits.

Re:Whatever, won't work where I am (1)

Cocoronixx (551128) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145779)

I have an elliptical machine in my house and a bicycle which I barely ride, but I find I don't ever have enough time. I -want- to lose the weight, but life tends to get in the way.
...
The Wii is fun, and a little exercise, but not nearly enough to do the job.

Umm, if you are so busy that you don't have the time to take positive steps to improve your health, how do you have time to play games? It seems much more likely that it is your priorities need to be adjusted, rather than a legitimate lack of time. Also, I have found that a slight calorie cut, as well as adding exercise to your daily routine actually increases your energy level. I suspect it is due to the fact that you overall start feeling better about yourself, as well as an increase in your metabolism.

And where are you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145585)

Apparently, where you are is so unique it only has six days in a week...

Not practical (2, Interesting)

sircastor (1051070) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144883)

I seriously doubt this with sell well. Not only is it expensive, but if you've ever tried to do anything on a laptop while moving from one room to another you know that the human body doesn't stabilize itself between bottom and top. If the bottom is moving, the top is too, and trying to do things that require some degree of non-movement, like typing for instance, would be difficult. Additionally, who's going to use this desk? Does it get moved around the office all day to whoever wants a go? Do you expect someone to use it all day? Even the most fit people aren't going to be interested in standing up all day for a desk job. As it goes, it's just impractical. They've got the right box, but they're thinking too far outside it. Personally, I would encourage activity at the office through things like frisbee during a break.

Re:Not practical (1)

DorkRawk (719109) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145185)

I agree that trying to work while on a treadmill probably wouldn't work, but a stationary bike probably would. Also, it would be cool if it could be set up so that your exercise would recharge the laptop at the workstation.

"Better pedal faster! You're gonna run out of power before you can send that important email!"

Geeks arguing about exercise (3, Funny)

etully (158824) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144899)

Geeks arguing about exercise. Yeah - this oughta be good.

my experience (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144903)

I burn plenty of calories in front of my PC every day...

Re:my experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145075)

Horray for Porn?

Re:my experience (1)

Chineseyes (691744) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145323)

I burn plenty of calories in front of my PC every day... Through perpetual masturbation?

Re:my experience (1)

toleraen (831634) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145483)

Feel the burn!

Re:my experience (1)

dargaud (518470) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145635)

What was that quote again... Ha, yeah, here it is [gdargaud.net] :

If I want low-impact aerobics, I'll masturbate. If I want high-impact aerobics, I'll masturbate again." -- Dennis Miller.

Some more info..... (3, Informative)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144925)

Some more info.....

BBC covered this in detail, one of their reporters tried it out. She was less then enthusiastic about office work whilst using the thing "Shame my hands can't keep up, it took me almost five minutes to key in the above without a single mistake." (from the linked article below).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6656631.stm?ls [bbc.co.uk]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6657305.stm [bbc.co.uk]

I had this idea years ago (2, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144955)

But I'm not a good enough geek to put it together. *sigh* You start off with one of the recumbant exercise bikes, the ones where you're sitting in a seat with the pedals out in front of you. The flatscreen monitor swings down to be right in your face. You replace the regular handgrips with joysticks with enough buttons to run the game.

So, what's the game? Has to be a racing game. :) Ok, maybe you might compromise and go with some hybrid type that mixes FPS and a vehicle like Descent. The peddling rate won't determine your max speed but max reactor output. You get to balance your power between speed, laser bank, and shield charge.

The kind of game I have in mind is like Twisted Metal, cars going fast. Some parts would have proper racetracks to run around on, other parts would be like city streets. The goal is to blow up the other exercisers you're playing against in the gym.

If the combat angle isn't as fun, then you can just settle for a more conventional racing game where the pedaling rate directly translates to your in-game speed. I'd love to see a pedal-power flight sim with the kind of graphics we can push these days. That'll get people in the gym!

Or in real money (2, Insightful)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 7 years ago | (#19144967)

In real money, that's 30kg. Or four stone ten.

Re:Or in real money (1)

StarfishOne (756076) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145073)

In real life that is half my body weight! (even though I am 1.80m tall

Re:Or in real money (1)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145253)

How does this machine work? Will it cut my arms and legs off, before draining me of blood?

Even though I'm 1.83m and well-built, it's still just a couple of kilos away from half my bodymass.

Why would I want to loose money? (0)

Delta-NC (1094737) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145017)

Why would I want to loose £66, and why buy a device to loose it? I could just give the money to charity instead. How many Euro would it help me loose? Is it a fixed value or does it depend on exchange rate?

Until someone can answer these questions I don't think It'll be a success.

It's nice... (2, Insightful)

Tatisimo (1061320) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145071)

I read an article a while ago about how we have overrated sitting, and so much sitting time is costing us our health. I read something about how many hours we were supposed to spend sitting, how many standing, and how many laying down. Anymore that that time limit, and we'd be stressing our bodies beyond nature. Then, yet another article on how some schools were trying to have students stand up while studying in order to prevent bad posture and promote weight-loss (standing up is already a workout).

I already walk around while playing my DS, and get up from the computer at least every half hour. I've setting up my office to allow me to work while standing for a while now, but I get stuck on monitor configuration. How to switch from standing to sitting quickly without interrupting the work flow (still stumped there)?

Alternate ergonomics are unfamiliar, but not impossible. The thing is, we aren't made for sitting in front of a computer all day long, but we could fool our bodies into feeling we aren't. Treadmills, changing postures, etc.

Weight loss thru exercise alone is a fallacy (4, Interesting)

deacon (40533) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145081)

Do the math. Brisk walking burns 7 calories a minute. A McDonalds value meal has 1170 calories. You have to walk briskly for 167.14 minutes to burn off those calories. That's 2 hours 47 minutes. Of walking. Briskly.

Exercise has important health benefits and you should be doing it. But to lose weight, you need
to control your food intake. All the fad diets and pills are bullshit and possibly harmful as well. Eat less calories, and you will lose weight. And while you are at it, cut out all the hydrogenated fats. Eating lard would be less harmful. If you are addicted to nicotine, get your fix thru a method other than smoking or chewing.

Yes I am ranting. But I hate to see people oblivious to the fact that they are
ruining their health and quality of life by ingesting obscenely excessive amounts of harmful "food" products and nicotine delivery systems. Know why all the old people you see on the street are thin like birds? Because most of the fat people died when they were 50 years old, and the rest of them are confined in a nursing home waiting to die.

Re:Weight loss thru exercise alone is a fallacy (3, Interesting)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145281)

Somewhat true. But we don't all exercise alike. I'm currently 235 lbs. In the winter I take a cyclist-specific 2 hour spin class once a week. I've burned almost 3000 calories in 2 hours in those sessions.

I've used the hacker's diet (which adheres basically to what you state). But I've found I do much better just consciously eating less, and exercising a lot more. It's now cycling season, and I have for the most part recovered from the surgeries that were keeping me from exercising over the winter months, and the lbs are melting away without me having to suffer through a strict calorie-counting diet.

Granted, I'm not a typical case. Most people certainly would not do a few days a week on the bikes (a couple of days of singletrack, and a few on the road), and certainly wouldn't go through 50ish miles at a time with a lot of climbing.

But to state that exercise has little to do with weight loss depends on the type of exercise that you do. It certainly does feel a lot better to exercise more than it does to eat less. And at the intensity levels that I personally exercise at, it certainly does have a large impact. Of course, eating less is also part of the equation, but if you put the emphasis on that part, you will be miserable, at least for awhile. And who wants to be stuck in calorie-counting mode all their lives in order to control their weight?

Re:Weight loss thru exercise alone is a fallacy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145287)

Because most of the fat people died when they were 50 years old, and the rest of them are confined in a nursing home waiting to die.

Waiting to die in a nursing home? Hmmm, guess I'd better down some Bigmacs, ASAP!

Re:Weight loss thru exercise alone is a fallacy (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145315)

Do the math. Brisk walking burns 7 calories a minute. A McDonalds value meal has 1170 calories. You have to walk briskly for 167.14 minutes to burn off those calories. That's 2 hours 47 minutes. Of walking. Briskly.

I guess that explains the popularity of drive-throughs.

Who needs exercise? (1)

C10H14N2 (640033) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145605)


My BMR totally sedentary 24/7 is over 3kCal/day, so I just have to sit completely motionless for nine hours to burn off that value meal...

Re:Weight loss thru exercise alone is a fallacy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145707)

Brisk walking burns 7 calories a minute.

Speak for yourself! I don't know how many calories I burn walking briskly, but I'd bet it's more than that. I just got done eating 6 bacon, egg, and cheese breakfast tacos. My meal was easily several times the calories of a big mac. I'll probably eat an equally high calorie meal for each meal today. I exercise once or twice a week (usually strength training), but that's it.

I'm 6'4" and weigh about 170 lbs. That puts me at a BMI of 20. Within spitting distance of being underweight. Those calories are getting burned somehow. I'd bet I burn 7 calories a minute just sitting around. It would explain why I'm always so damn hot, no matter what the temperature is.

But the point is that saying "doing X burns X calories a minute" is dumb. It's different for everybody. I burn tons of extra calories and an obese person burns too few calories. What does it boil down to? Genetics. Just because you are skinny and exercise X days a week doesn't mean that an obese person exercising X days a week can make a dent in their weight. They are genetically inclined to burn fewer calories doing the same activities as a normal or skinny person.

I agree with you that if a person is obese that they should not be eating meals with an many calories as I do. I don't think that is the magic bullet to cure obesity, though. I don't think exercise is, either. I think we should be doing more research into altering the metabolisms and appetites of obese individuals to match skinny people. I'd love to someday see a safe and non-addictive skinny pill that increased the metabolisms of obese people.

No, not entirely. (2, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145709)

Exercise has important health benefits and you should be doing it. But to lose weight, you need
to control your food intake. All the fad diets and pills are bullshit and possibly harmful as well.
OK. 2 things...

1: Don't worry about your weight, it isn't what matters. What matters is your size. Muscle is five times more dense than fat. You exercise, you physically shrink though you may well stay the same weight or even put some on.

i.e.
Use a tape measure, not scales.

2: When you exercise, the muscle you build requires energy to run it 24/7 day. You may only expend 200 calories during the exercise itself, but if it makes your body consume 5% more calories while resting you are going to lose weight automatically if your intake remains constant.

 

Re:Weight loss thru exercise alone is a fallacy (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145781)

Exercise has important health benefits and you should be doing it. But to lose weight, you need to control your food intake.
You do not necessarily need to reduce your food intake to lose weight, though it's useful for the obese. If someone has a consistent caloric and nutritional intake, their weight will reach equilibrium. Adding exercise to the equation will cause them to lose weight -- not only does it bun calories directly, but it stimulates the metabolism and causes the body to burn additional calories at rest.

That said, most people who need to lose weight need to reduce intake while adding exercise. The marginally overweight are a pretty small subset of those who need to lose weight in the US.

Re:Weight loss thru exercise alone is a fallacy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145789)

So if you ate lunch at noon, you'd clearly burn off even a value meal, well before you leave for home. Or do you doubt the endurance of said worker? Like any execrise, practice makes perfect.

More pointedly, exercise alone WILL cause weight loss. _IF_ dietary intake is maintained, any (non-trivial) additional exercise WILL cause weight loss. On the other hand, if intake is increased, (enough) additional exercise will still cause weight loss. I could be wrong though. Please let me know if you've discovered how to perform work w/o using energy.

Just for kicks, google whether Canadian bike messengers can claim their additional food expenses as a business expense.

This is counter-productive. (1)

phil.bachman (998005) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145127)

Honestly, whenever I see people working out while reading or talking on the phone I feel sorry for them. This would be more of the same. It will only do a disservice to both activities. Neither will be given the proper energy or attention required to make effective use of time. If you're exercising to get in shape, then you should be working hard enough that it is not possible to do anything else concurrently. If you are on a treadmill or some other such machine just to lose weight, the same could be accomplished (while gaining time instead of losing it) by simply eating less.

I regularly exercise at the PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145141)

My right wrist and forearm are in fine shape.

Squeak, Squeak,Squeak (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145149)

I prefer the ThighMaster [asseenontv.com] . The price is more within my range, and the look on peoples' faces when they see me bouncing up and down at my desk is priceless.

Contraindicative (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145153)

Geeks and exercise. Isn't that like cats and dogs. coke and pepsi. vi and emacs. You know that the combination exists in the wild, but the thought disturbs you on so many levels.

Some other weights to consider (1)

nick_davison (217681) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145189)

Did you know you could lose as much as 66 pounds by sweating on your PC?
1 ounce - The weight of the tendon they're going to have to cut out of your carpal tunnel when you try using a keyboard and mouse whilst bouncing up and down on a treadmill.

300 lbs (you know it's true, regadless of the 175 you put on your drivers license) - the dead weight your company will shed when they fire your ass for the low productivity you can manage whilst bouncing around on a treadmill, unable to type quickly or use the mouse with any accuracy.

Treadmills are great things. I personally love them as they're about the one form of exercise where my getting distracted doesn't stop them from working (on stationary bikes, my ADD tends to leave me sitting on a now very stationary bike and wondering why I'm not getting fitter) as I fall off the back if I stop. Still, put one in front of your TV and make an hour or two's TV watching a night, where you don't need to co-ordinate fine motor responses, your source of exercise.

I spend a lot of time commuting. If someone came up with a way for me to get in an energetic game of racketball during it, it'd still be a bloody stupid idea as I need to keep my fine motor control and attention on what I'm doing. The same goes for computer use. Exercise is important - but stick to times when it doesn't force interference with other important tasks.

Great.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145225)

Just when I thought my boss didn't smell bad enough, we're going to go and sit him on a treadmill WHILE he lectures us. Perfect! Looking around my office, I can see atleast 20 people that could've fit in that study and I have to point out that while they can work, it does not talk about the reprocussions of the smells. No one wants to work in an office that smells like BO, unless you're maybe a Mechanic.

#irc.trollta7k.co%m (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145231)

working on various Area. It is the

What a load of.... (1)

Ptur (866963) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145265)

1) not practical to move and type at the same time 2) very simplistic: just a laptop mounted on top of it 2) noisy, I bet 3) _consumes_ energy rather then produce, why not mount it on a bike and produce some energy 4) expensive alternative to riding your bike to work 5) what's next, put this thing inside a car to keep moving while driving (and polluting)? 6) slownewsday? aargh...

Who needs another device? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145279)

I get all the exercise I need running up and down the steps of my parents basement where I live.
C'mon, you know what I'm talking about slashdotters.

Anonymous Coward for obvious reasons.

Heads up - beware of too much weight loss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145319)

While losing weight is a Very Good Thing, you need to do it in such a fashion that it doesn't endanger your health.

I had a friend who dropped over 100 lbs through sheer willpower. But it turns out that, if you lose more than 10 lbs quickly, your risk of developing protrate cancer goes up. Sure enough, he developed protrate cancer and is fighting it now.

Hamster wheels (2, Insightful)

Catbeller (118204) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145321)

Odd, I heard about this on NPR this morning. But before this report was a longish report about how the "business community" of France was annoyed that they weren't getting the profits they could get if the workers weren't restricted to 35 hours of non-OT work by law. Report also mentioned that by law, all workers had to get physical checkups in order to work. The report, trying to be "balanced", mentioned that actually French workers were more productive than Americans, per hour worked.

Then the report about the hamster wheel desk. No irony intended, I'm sure.

Thing about the workers with the shorter work week in France that they didn't mention? They aren't really all that overweight. Thin, actually. American workers are not. I'd have to come down on the side that would say that we're fat because all we f*ing do is work. I do fifty a week at a forty job, and get warned about even three hours of OT. Thanks jeebus I ride a bike to work during the summer, or I'd have a bypass operation by now. I'm too tired to exercise -- it't no fun when you get home at eight and all you want to do is drop into a chair, not from physical, but mental exhaustion. And no, the other jobs aren't better, all the coming anecdotes from star IT workers to the contrary.

Employer solution? Well, force me out and replace me with H1B labor, sure, or make two people do my job, which already is a composite of two people's jobs. But maybe, a Habitrail! That's the solution!

Or we can reregulate our work world and have a 35 hour week, or in reality a 40. Nah. That's communism.

But we are fat, dying too young of old men's diseases, overcharged by a factor of two for medical care for a crap lifestyle, have no free time, and are less productive and by survey a hell of a lot less happy than the French. And the French companies are by no means impoverished; they just want more profits. So they want to be more like us, eh? Alors, time to get the French Habitrail desk. I hope it has a nice winerack for lunch, at least. Another thing they can do is drink at lunch...

Re:Hamster wheels (1)

Catbeller (118204) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145505)

Oops. Bad form, but to make the fourth paragraph make sense, I meant to say: hire H1B or can me and hire someone more desperate -- lots of them now -- who won't complain and won't notice, being too young to see the changes.

Another cool thing about making us more "productive" is that it generates a large pool of former workers who are willing to work for McDonald's wages if they can just have a chance, eventually, of getting medical coverage -- in three months after starting the job. Oh, forgot about the mighty temp pool. No medical coverage, what was I thinking.

Are we running our nation for the benefit of the 90 percent who don't really have a chance at wealth, or is it all about pleasing the wealthy, who really don't need to have the government make them happier? That's the only real question. The US answered yes to the latter. France answered yes to the former. Who's happy? Here, it's the wealthy, who are buying up the country as fast as they can; in France, the wealth are cranked that they can't be wealthier, but the people are largely happy and healthy. Pounded it home yet? Back to work.

Re:Hamster wheels (1)

dargaud (518470) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145591)

Another thing they can do is drink at lunch
Ture, I work for the fr gov, and there's wine available at the office restaurant. But in the 4 months I've been here, no one has touched the stuff. I've seen people grab a bottle when there are suits (read vendors) around, or maybe the rare celebration. But bring an american in there and he'll be drunk on the spot. Liberty is the liberty to choose, not to abuse.

Anyway, back on topic, I think biking to work is the best all around solution to the work/exercise. And I'd better go before it starts raining !

Bah, not impressed (1)

Grashnak (1003791) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145351)

the FPGamerunner, a USB full-size treadmill that works with any first-person shooter (FPS) game, has you covered. Walking on the treadmill moves your character through the game. Handlebars and buttons at the front of the $1,299 treadmill control your direction and fire your weapons."
Call me when it has a boxing glove attached that will punch you in the face everytime your character gets shot. THAT is the level of realism I'm looking for in my FPS experience.

Bugger the treadmill. (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145371)

How about a balance seat (same idea as a wobble board or ball) which requires the person sitting to maintain balance. It'd keep the legs, back and stomach active all day.

 

Notes from a talk (3, Informative)

espressojim (224775) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145403)

I saw the guy who is organizing the research on this (NEAT), who gave a 90 minute talk at my institution last year (we study the genetics of diabetes.) I figured this might be an interesting place to share my notes. The notes are slightly raw, but might be of interest (and there's nothing that's under NDA in them.)

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Non-exercise activity thermogenesis.

Uses 2x-3x the calories of exercise.

Varies by up to 2000 calories between individuals

Note: most people of the world don't exercise

Neat explains why an active person can burn 2000 calories more than an inactive person of the same size.

Occupational NEAT:
chair bound:300
seated work: 700
standing: 1000
active: 1400
agricultural: 2300

Women work a heck of a lot more than men. (peak 500 minutes/day women vs. 320/day men)

A test that overfed people by 1000 calories a day:
Some people didn't gain weight, they just increased their NEAT.
Some central mechanisms may be regulating NEAT.

There are chemical ways to induce neat (Central Orexin)

Spontaneous physical activity may not be spontaneous!

People who fail to increase NEAT: maybe they have a NEAT defect?

They built sensors integrated into clothing to see what body postures were like.

Looks like lean people stand up more, and obese subjects sit a lot more.

Overfeed underweight people, underfeed overweight people ->
        Starting obese people still sit more, Starting lean people tend to stand more.

Perhaps fat people just have 'poor NEAT adaptation'

Think about this: there's no inherent reason why we ought to be sitting all the time.

Are there ways to get us all out of our chairs?
1) Persuade them to stand (behavior modification)
2) Get rid of the chair (environmental change)

------1------
STRIPES
Targeted goals help people change behavior.
Select->Target goals->Reward->identify bariers->Plan->Evaluate->Sustain->Target Goals
Lady starts at 3 5 second walks a day.
She's working up to 5 5 minute walks over time.

Barrier: if you decide to walk your dog in the rain,the rain is the barrier. If you're massivly fat, tying shoes might be the barrier.

Planning is representative of prioritization.

------2-------

The way you change the environment - do a walk and talk meeting program (at least you get something out of it!) "Walk and talk tag - you are not to be interrupted"
Make this competitive so that the more times you have meetings that are walk and talk, the more you are 'winning'. Yet, the number of meetings will decline.

--------------

They now have a small unit that can measure your posture, etc and measures NEAT every 10 seconds.
Allows complex phenotyping of people moving, etc.

Ipod earpiece that detects activity level of the user - for each mile they walk, they get a free download. Kids get into the competition to get free downloads.

Imagine computers that are on treadmills (or exercise bikes), so you can stand and walk all day instead of sitting, People pick 1 mile an hour to work out, and burn 100 calories an hour.

If you design a school so kids can stand, they will move around a lot.

Now, there are Soda machines that say "Thirsty" - this is a cue to your brain to make you think about it, then purchase -also snack machines that say "hungry"

Veal (1)

Catbeller (118204) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145617)

Up 'til now, no animal breeder has developed a calf that will walk into an enclosed pen of its own free will, tenderize itself while eating rich foods, then demand that it and its mates be slaughtered in the name of the free market.

We are a special breed, we American workers.

I don't eat Americans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145727)

They're too fatty - I'm on a diet!

bike (1)

kurtis25 (909650) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145745)

I don't see a treadmill workstation as a workable idea. I can't read when I run, no matter how nice the treadmill. I can when I ride the stationary bike. So I just don't imagine a bunch of business folk standing for 8 hours a day walking on a treadmill bouncing up and down. I would go for the idea if it were a stationary bike or something I could just kick back on when I'm exhausted.
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