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40M Vista Licenses in 100 Days

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the allright-who-did-it dept.

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Gary writes "In the first 100 days since its launch in Jan 30 Windows Vista has sold an astounding 40 million licenses. Bill Gates gives the credit to accelerating consumer shift to digital lifestyles which has made it the fastest selling operating system in history. Surprisingly the more expensive premium editions accounted for 78 percent of Vista sales. With around 400,000 licenses a day new Vista users will take 8 weeks to beat Mac users, 4 days to exceed Mac sales and 3 days to exceed Linux desktop users."

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Hmm.. (5, Funny)

Mockylock (1087585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145783)

In other news... China sells 40 million of it's OWN copies.

Re:Hmm.. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145827)

When will an OS send a lethal shock through the keyboard of people that can't tell ITS from IT'S?

Re:Hmm.. (0, Offtopic)

thetable123 (936470) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145991)

I fail to see you complaint. FTW: its = possessive / it's = contraction of it is.

Re:Hmm.. (0)

Mockylock (1087585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146095)

Fuck.

After 30 years of doing it wrong, /. grammer police correct me.

I'll try not to let it happen again.

Can I get off with just a warning this time?

Re:Hmm.. (2, Funny)

dna_(c)(tm)(r) (618003) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146153)

Ye's

Re:Hmm.. (1)

Mockylock (1087585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146201)

Thanks.

I honestly feel like my fly has been down my whole life and nobody's told me. Am I just that NICE and people don't want to hurt my feelings?

I'm going to go run a hot bath and slit my wrists.

Be back later.

"beat Mac users" ??? (4, Funny)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146059)

Possible replies are gushing forth...
  • Beat them at what? Solitaire?
  • Beat them with what? A stick!?
  • ... beat Mac users at number of hosted spambots in 8 seconds.

Re:Hmm.. (5, Insightful)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146089)

Can't RTFA (since appear to be /.'d), but I just wonder, how many of these licenses were sold to Dell, Toshiba, HP, etc...
And since there are no more XP, well...

Re:Hmm.. (5, Funny)

dna_(c)(tm)(r) (618003) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146305)

Can't RTFA (since appear to be /.'d), but I just wonder, how many of these licenses were sold to Dell, Toshiba, HP, etc... And since there are no more XP, well...

Apparently, they sell even more licenses than Debian, Gentoo and Ubuntu together. Wohoo! Amazing.

Maybe it's just the longest overdue OS release ever. "...4 days to exceed Mac sales and 3 days to exceed Linux desktop users", more like 6 years and 4 or 3 days.

In other other news... (4, Funny)

abscondment (672321) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146097)

... 95% of the world's lemmings have jumped off a cliff.

Re:Hmm.. (0, Offtopic)

spykemail (983593) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146099)

Yeah, maybe instead of suing poor American college students and extraditing Australians for copyright infringement the powers that be should be concentrating on the massive state sponsored piracy in China.

Re:Hmm.. (1)

Mockylock (1087585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146163)

Amen.

hmm (4, Interesting)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145793)

Ah, looks like another game of 'defer the revenues from a more successful quarter to a less successful quarter'. Didn't yall get in trouble w/the SEC for doing that?

Where did they get these numbers? (4, Insightful)

danbert8 (1024253) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145797)

I'm betting they included "free upgrade to vista" offers for copies of XP sold for the year prior to vista. But how many of these people have actually claimed their free upgrade copy?

Re:Where did they get these numbers? (4, Insightful)

EvilGrin666 (457869) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145835)

I know a couple that have. However most of them have subsequently given up on Vista and reinstalled XP.

Re:Where did they get these numbers? (3, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146045)


I know a couple that have. However most of them have subsequently given up on Vista and reinstalled XP.

Most of a couple?
Anyhow, I love Gates' insinuation of "if you aren't using Vista, you're trapped in some pre-digital lifestyle limbo."

Re:Where did they get these numbers? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145915)

That's what I'm asking.

It's important to remember that most of Microsoft's Windows sales are to OEM and corporate customers, not directly to end-users via retail or online sales.

Re:Where did they get these numbers? (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146007)

Ok, so let's assume the split is something like 39,995,000 OEM sales and 5,000 retail. So what?

Re:Where did they get these numbers? (5, Insightful)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146235)

Ok, so let's assume the split is something like 39,995,000 OEM sales and 5,000 retail. So what?


The world's largest OEM, Dell, has begun selling PCs with Windows XP again and will soon offer PCs with Ubuntu pre-loaded. These separate, but related incidents come on the heals of complaints from Dell customers who wanted a choice after they had tried Windows Vista and discovered it sucks.

40 million licenses != 40 million Vista users.

Re:Where did they get these numbers? (4, Informative)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146039)

I'm betting they included "free upgrade to vista" offers for copies of XP sold for the year prior to vista.
Nope. They cannot state those as current-period sales, and for Gates to publically announce that they were would be grounds for FTC action. I'm sure he cleared the statement through Legal, so I'd be willing to bet those aren't included.

If he had said that 40 million licenses were issued, that would be a different story... but he said sold.

Re:Where did they get these numbers? (5, Insightful)

Skrynesaver (994435) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146169)

AS there were 238 Million PCs sold last year, we could take a rough calculation of 20M PCs sold per month, thus in the first ~= 4 months Vista shipped -20M copies, including pre-existing vouchers !!

Re:Where did they get these numbers? (1)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146227)

78% of the licenses were for more expensive versions that people were not getting free coupons for. I gather that they might not be including them or they simply don't make up a large number of licenses. Besides, MS can tell if a non-OEM has activated their copy or not.

Still doesn't say (5, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145805)

who these licenses are being sold to. If half of them were sold to only two OEMs, its not saying much really. If even half of them were bought off the shelf at Best Buy or other stores, that would say something. So, exactly who is buying these licenses?

Re:Still doesn't say (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145853)

microsoft, duh

Re:Still doesn't say (3, Interesting)

justkarl (775856) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145863)

There's another catch. Since Vista's inception, my company has bought several hundred Dell boxes(with Vista preloaded). However, we don't use Vista, we still use XP because we don't trust Vista with our network...

Re:Still doesn't say (1)

spamking (967666) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146083)

It's the same where I work. We're not even authorized to purchase machines with Vista installed and the few that have slipped through the cracks have been wiped clean and had XP installed.

Re:Still doesn't say (4, Insightful)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146109)

The catch is the fact that the more expensive premium editions are accounting for 78 percent of their sales. The people who don't want Vista aren't buying the premium editions.

Re:Still doesn't say (1)

BrewedInTexas (971325) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146043)

And if all these licenses are being sold, why is that the only person I know running vista is my boss's personal machine. Well it was. He kept it on there for all of about 6 hours. I don't know a single other person who has Vista.

Re:Still doesn't say (2, Informative)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146067)

There are many ways to inflate those values.
First the fact that Vista Is on most new PCs sold today. So what are the sales of PC's Sold starting Jan 31, 2007.
Next are these sales considered sales to stores So Best Buy Buys 100 copies at its store and they sit on the shelf for weeks. The Free Vista Upgrade from XP deal. Corprate Licenenses, they buy the new versions but takes years for them to install them. Sales doesn't always equate to user base. But still what do you expect. 95% of the market sells computers with Windows on it. They are not going to make there systems look bad by putting the Basic Version on their systems. They will always put the latest version of windows on their system unless thier customers request other wise. A lot of these system people had were from 2000 - 2002 and it is time for an upgrade.

Re:Still doesn't say (1)

Tuoqui (1091447) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146139)

Obviously Bill Gates is buying the licenses!

But seriously, the numbers almost certainly include every single copy of XP sold in the past year with their 'free upgrade to Windows Vista' bullshit as numerous other comments in other threads have pointed out.

This is most definitely NOT the number of copies of Vista installed. I can guarantee you that. Even friends who have bought new computers with Vista installed have wiped the hard drive and installed Linux or XP on it.

That's funny... (0, Flamebait)

danpsmith (922127) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145807)

Since no one I know besides my oldest brother (who happens to have a knack for buying things that become duds) runs the OS or is even planning to upgrade.

Re:That's funny... (1)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146265)

I don't know anyone personally either but that just means I don't personally know anyone that has bought a new PC since its release. Most home users don't usually jump on the upgrades very quickly anyway... if at all.

I'm confused... (0, Flamebait)

DogDude (805747) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145809)

I'm confused... I thought that the official Slashdot Group Think said that Vista was a failure? What am I supposed to believe: facts, or Slashdot FUD? Decisions, decisions...

Re:I'm confused... (1, Insightful)

ghostdancer (72944) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145839)

Perhaps, there is nothing to believe.

Both. (5, Insightful)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145931)

It's a mixture of both. This is a press release by marketing to try to bolster stock prices. So when they mean licenses sold, that doesn't mean the same thing as copies purchased. It with all likelihood refers to the number of licenses they have sold to Dell and other major PC vendors, all of the free upgrade licenses from XP, all of the copies they sold to retailers (which the retailer may or may not be having luck selling), etc...

Vista isn't the failure that /. anti-MS pundits would have you believe, but it is a long way from the success that Microsoft's marketing department would have you believe.

-Rick

Re:Both. (1)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146211)

Good points, but how to put the kibosh on Vista?

Re:I'm confused... (4, Insightful)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145933)

I should go and take some screenshots of articles and posts saying how Vista is a failure. The same darn thing happened with XP: "OMG! no drivers! Games don't work! its so slow! doesn't work on my 266 mhz celeron!", and now the Slashdot crowd spits out quite a bit that Microsoft is a failure -except- for XP, which is semi-acceptable.

Now we see with Vista? Same damn thing. "OMG no drivers, omg games, omg its slow, omg omg omg failure, I'll never upgrade from the previous version!"

Same. Damn. Thing. Hell, XP was worse: my 1 year old (at the time) lap-top had a hard time with XP, and I had paid a fortune for it. My 3 years old budget lap-top runs Vista just fine.

The only thing that can rival Microsoft's FUD, is the fud coming from thousands of geeks banded together :)

Re:I'm confused... (5, Insightful)

Professr3 (670356) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146055)

I don't take issue with the system's speed or games. I have a problem with the protected content path, and other DRM technologies integrated even further into the operating system than any part of WMP11 was integrated into XP. If I'm going to buy or use an operating system, I expect it to be made with me (the consumer) in mind, not the interests big businesses have to limit my access and restrict my fair use rights. I recently switched to a Macbook Pro because of Vista, and I must say, I'm finding that it increases my productivity quite drastically.

Re:I'm confused... (3, Interesting)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146289)

This seems to be the most common complaint here on /. and I have to say I just don't see it in Vista. None of my thousands of gigs of music, movies, documents, or CD images of games and apps have failed to work. If there's some sort of DRM nightmare hidden in Vista, I can't find it. I guess you could say that the "features" exist to implement DRM on content (they're there in XP too), but does anyone think there's a threat of one day waking up and finding that an update has restricted all of your media? It's just not going to happen, guys.

Re:I'm confused... (3, Funny)

mlk (18543) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146117)

Microsoft is a failure -except- for XP, which is semi-acceptable.
I though the Only Good Microsoft OS(tm) was Windows 2000?

Re:I'm confused... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19146183)

It's what I use if using Windows.

Re:I'm confused... (2, Interesting)

955301 (209856) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146161)

You forget so soon! XP Pre SP 2 is a zombie node waiting to happen.

You are using the term XP to mean XP, XP SP1 and XP SP2 & since all the updates.

XP is only acceptable because of all of the work Microsoft has done post release to bring it about.

Vista is *currently* a pos. Not SP1 through 14, but Vista today.

Re:I'm confused... (3, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146299)

Except what do you gain from Vista?
Most people moved from Windows 98 to XP. They gained a much more secure system in that move and moved to the proven NT kernel from the 95/98/ME codebase.
The move to Vista? I see little gain but eye candy. DirectX 10 may be a big deal and the move from GDI could be important to some people but unlike the move from 98 to XP there is little to gain.
XP to Vista is about as good of a move as from 98 to ME.

Vista is such a small improvement that I am seeing wide spread interest in Linux for the first time. The FAA and NASA are both not jumping onto Vista.

Re:I'm confused... (5, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145941)

What am I supposed to believe: facts, or Slashdot FUD?

The facts. And the facts are the Microsoft has been deferring the count of "Vista Upgrade Certificates" until the first quarter of 2007. So a large portion of the 40 million is from Vista licenses that Microsoft has been selling for the last year.

It's also important to note that there are no figures on how many of those upgrade certificates have been cashed in for an actual copy of Vista. Which means that the number of installed Vista Desktops could be a mere fraction of the 40 million unit number that Microsoft is providing.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." --Mark Twain

Re:I'm confused... (2, Interesting)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146251)

It's also important to note that there are no figures on how many of those upgrade certificates have been cashed in for an actual copy of Vista. Which means that the number of installed Vista Desktops could be a mere fraction of the 40 million unit number that Microsoft is providing.

apparently I may account for two of those, although I have never actually registered for my two upgrades to be sent to me... Microsoft still got to count two as having been sold to the OEM... I bought to new machines at the end of January deliberately to avoid Vista... I wiped XP off both of them and put Ubuntu on them... it galls me that Microsoft still gets to count them...

Re:I'm confused... (1)

R_Dorothy (1096635) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146011)

You must be new here...

Roman Numerals? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145821)

40M Vista Licenses in 100 Days
Hmmm, my Roman Numerals are a bit rusty but 40 * 1000 = 40,000 licenses!

That's way more than I'd ever expect! Congratulations, Gates! You must be proud that your employees each own a copy!

Re:Roman Numerals? (2, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146017)

Actually, that would mean only about 56% of his employees own a copy of Vista (they had 71,172 employees as of June 30, 2006). Poor Microsoft: First, Steve Ballmer can't even GIVE a Zune to his 80 year old uncle, and now they can't even get all of their employees to pony up for Vista.

Re:Roman Numerals? (2, Funny)

Diss Champ (934796) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146179)

It's worse than that. With Roman Numerals you don't multiply, you subtract smaller numbers before the bigger. Assuming the 40 itself is still modern notation,

40M = 1000 - 40 = 960 licenses.

Waiting for it... (3, Insightful)

M-Saunders (706738) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145825)

I hate Microsoft as much as the next man, but I'll be entertained to see how some Slashdotters twist this into being "bad for Microsoft" or something. Every other day I see some comment like "The end is here for Microsoft" or "It's all over for MS" or some such nonsense. Let's see:

1) Record profits in the last year
2) Fastest-selling OS in history

It's only getting better for them, isn't it? We need another way to fight them...

Re:Waiting for it... (3, Funny)

danbert8 (1024253) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145953)

I'll be entertained to see how some Slashdotters twist this into being "bad for Microsoft" or something.
Be entertained and enjoy these options:
(1) I think MS was counting copies of XP in this count. People just ASSUMED OSs sold equalled Vista.
(2) Microsoft was actually hacked to change the number.
(3) This was actually the sales dollars, not the number of licenses sold!
(4) That's horse crap, my grandmother could sell a billion copies of Vista with her eyes closed, and she runs LINUX!!! OMG I PWNED YOU!!11!

Re:Waiting for it... (3, Insightful)

Richard Steiner (1585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146119)

Record-setting profits are easy when the profit margin is 80%+, and selling quickly is easy when each new PC sold has a copy of your product bundled with it.

That removes things like production costs and consumer choice from the equation. :-)

We already fought them in court, and won. It's hard to gain much ground, however, when some elements of the government seems to be in bed with the company which is violating anti-trust laws...

another way to fight (-1, Troll)

cinnamon colbert (732724) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146225)

u got that right
I have posted before that Open source fighting for the desktop is playing their game, by their rules, which is a sure recipe for failure.

since linux doesn't have drivers, it is essentially dead on the desktop. Since people are locked to office, open /office linux is not a plus.

what open source clearly needs to do is find a new reason to use the computer, patent it, then write code; 1% of people buy a computer cause they hate ms or somehting, 99% buy it to do something.
100% of hte success of fire fox is that it does soemthing
100% of the failure of linux is that it doesnt do anytthing (thats sort of an intelligence test, if you argue that linux does do something, you fail)

how many came with pre-builts? (1)

brunascle (994197) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145841)

how many of those numbers just came on the pre-built PC, and how many were from people who actively went out and purchased vista?

Re:how many came with pre-builts? (1)

kid_oliva (899189) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145961)

Unfortunately it doesn't matter if it is a pre-built because a sale is a sale and when the day is over that is all that matters.

what about enterprise licenses (2, Interesting)

LiquidMind (150126) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145843)

i'd like to see if they guess-timated / inflated the enterprise licenses number....

A: "let's see here....2000 companies with an enterprise license....let's count them at 10,000 individual ones"
B: "brilliant"

...and 8 hours (1, Flamebait)

u-bend (1095729) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145847)

...to switch back to XP when they can't get it to work properly. Sheesh. Many of these sales are forced on consumers wanting the beefiest x86 hardware, aren't they?

Greetings (2, Funny)

Rovastar (822365) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145855)

I, for one, welcome our new OS overlords. ... ... Oh its Microsoft.

Sad news, Jerry Falwell dead at 73 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145865)

I just heard some sad news on Talk Radio, famed preacher the Reverend Jerry Falwell was found dead at his prestigeous Liberty University. No further details were available. Even if you did not admire his great works of charity and helping those less fortunate, there is no denying his contribution to society. Truly an American icon!

Bulk licenses, as in Dell and such? (1)

_14k4 (5085) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145871)

Does this include bulk sales to companies like Dell and Gateway that may or may not sell all of them right away?

400,000 * 3 days (1)

Qwell (684661) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145873)

So, did they just claim that there are less than 1.2 million Linux users? I call bullshit.

I'm usually not a OSS fanboy (2, Interesting)

bheer (633842) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145875)

... but you do have to remember MS gave away Vista upgrade vouchers to folk buying XP through Q4 last year. I wonder how many of these 40M licenses are really XP purchasers claiming their Vista disks?

Anyway, if the claim is true MS must be breathing a sigh of relief, given all the "no one wants to upgrade to Vista" talk on the internet. (Of course, we heard the same during the 9x/2k->XP and NT->2k transition as well). Still, if you're a user with existing hardware and files, hold off upgrading! It's the sensible thing to do.

Re:I'm usually not a OSS fanboy (1)

Kythe (4779) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146129)

I wonder how many of these 40M licenses are really XP purchasers claiming their Vista disks?

...or PC's coming with Vista pre-installed (some of which were subsequently upgraded to XP, etc., etc.).

The figure I'm really interested in is the one I haven't seen: How many standalone copies of Vista have been sold since the official release date? A lesser figure would be the actual installed number of Vista copies in use right now (admittedly, a little tough to get ahold of).

Frankly, if they haven't published those figures, I find it a little odd.

Re:I'm usually not a OSS fanboy (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146181)

(Of course, we heard the same ["no one wants to upgrade" line] during the 9x/2k->XP and NT->2k transition as well

FWIW, this line was as true then as it is now. Ever since Windows users got bitten by the Windows 98 early-adopter blues, they've been far more wary of upgrading their operating system. Especially when the transition was from the 9x line to the NT line of Windows OSes.

The problem is that users haven't had much of a choice on the upgrade issue. At some point Microsoft forces businesses to upgrade least they lose their discount plans. And consumers can't avoid the upgrade with new computers. Sure, they can try and install older versions of Microsoft's OSes, but they'll only hurt themselves. Microsoft tends not to back-port key features to previous versions of their OSes. (e.g. USB support was a major reason for 95 -> 98 upgrades.)

To be fair, Windows 2000 was an exceptional upgrade over Windows NT 4.0, and both OSes were fairly solid workstation platforms. So there was some reason to upgrade to both of them. However, most businesses prefer to approach major upgrades with caution. Something that does not appeal to Microsoft's bottom line. Thus the "upgrade or die" pricing plans.

Article (4, Informative)

loconet (415875) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145883)

Since the original link seems to have been /.'ed, here is the Reuters story [reuters.com] on it.

Press release... (1)

msauve (701917) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146277)

Official MS press release here [microsoft.com] .

I'll note that they specifically state "nearly 40 million Windows Vista licenses have been sold as of 100 days after its January launch."

I'm pretty sure that accounting rules don't let them claim upgrade certificates as "sold," and revenue recognition rules probably don't let them recognized shipments to resellers (which can be subject to return) as "sold," either.

I'm sure MS would never do anything illegal or immoral, such as pumping up numbers in a press release in violation of Sarbanes-Oxley or SEC, so those numbers must be correct!

Predictable Response (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145891)

Since the trade journals are all pointing to weak Vista adoption as the reason why MS has attacked the Linux patent base, we have to have an article about "how well" Vista is selling. True or not...

amazing! (1)

dotpavan (829804) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145893)

"With around 400,000 licenses a day new Vista users will take 8 weeks to beat Mac users, 4 days to exceed Mac sales and 3 days to exceed Linux desktop users.." .. and a lifetime to remove the scar from those 40M users.. there are somethings that money cant buy, for everything else, there is MS

So what this clearly implies... (5, Funny)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145895)

There are 170212.766 Vista users for each Microsoft patent being violated by free software.

Fastest? (5, Insightful)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145911)

"Fastest-selling OS in history"

That wouldn't have anything to do with having more computers in the world NOW versus, you know, any other point in history?

In other news, the world's human population is the highest it's ever been in history.

Re:Fastest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19146297)

I think the point is that previous stories here have been claiming that 17 copies were sold, of which 22 have been returned for refunds.

Upgraded by attrition (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145921)

I bought an HP desktop recently to serve out music & TV shows to my Xbox 360 and it came with Vista. It offers some polish versus XP, but no more functionality, aside from Windows Media Center. At the end of the day, music still gets saved to the music folder and videos get saved to the videos folder.

Digital shift? (1)

gmerideth (107286) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145939)

"Bill Gates gives the credit to accelerating consumer shift"

Yeah, because when my neighbor down the street calls Dell to order a new desktop, the first thing on his mind other than "how the hell do I plug it in" is a demand for Vista and his digital shift. Let's see how many systems we're sold where people actually demanded Vista over XP and clearly understood the selection. The bank down the street from me still has windows 98 desktops on their desks! Digital shift my ass...

Re:Digital shift? (1)

Ian McBeth (862517) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146187)

[quote]The bank down the street from me still has windows 98 desktops on their desks![/quote]

I hope you don't bank there, but if you do can I have your ID?

400,000/day? Not really (4, Informative)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145949)

With around 400,000 licenses a day new Vista users will take 8 weeks to beat Mac users, 4 days to exceed Mac sales and 3 days to exceed Linux desktop users."
Sorry, sales/day is not a constant. MS sold 20 million Vista licenses in the first 30 days (according to MS). 70 days to sell another 20 million...

Two data points are not enough to extrapolate a curve, but I'd guess that sales as a function of time is a logarithmic curve (based on early adopters) plus a near-constant (based on replacement cycles).

40M is not so good (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19145957)

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39 636 [theinquirer.net]

Given that 60 million PCs were sold during that timeframe, it seems a lot those came without Vista.

Can we have some more useful numbers? (2, Insightful)

simm1701 (835424) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145979)

How many of these were bulk licensing deals with companies that basically let them run whatever OS was the latest?
How many of these businesses actually have moved their production systems onto vista?

How many of these were OEMs?
How many of those which were OEM have been reinstalled with XP (pirate or otherwise)

How many were free upgrade with XP systems?
How many of those used the upgrade and are still running vista now?

Its difficult to buy a PC without it! (3, Insightful)

supersnail (106701) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145995)

For all practical purposes you must buy a Wondows OS when you by a PC.
(Geeks can manage it but try getting a cool VIAO or ACER which isnt preloaded with Vista!)

The interesting statistics would be how may PCs sold with Vista have been back-graded to XP?

Judging by the various blogs etc. this would seem to be the only way to get your shiny
new box to run as fast as the old one.
Google "Vista The long goodbye" Results 1 - 10 of about 907,000

So thats 5% of Vista users hacked off about just one of the Vista bugs enough to blog or cry for help.

at least 39M of those... (0, Flamebait)

DoktorSeven (628331) | more than 7 years ago | (#19145997)

Gates and Ballmer bought just to get this figure.

No goddamn way Vista sold that many. Maybe bought by STORES to sell or preload on computers, but actual SALES? Not even possible.

Including those charged $0 ? (1)

advid.net (595837) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146005)

Students were able to download Vista for free, actually it was bought online and charged $0.

These are students from universities with a Microsoft partnership.

That's an easy way to add more official sales.

Despite what most /.er's think... (1)

EvilGoodGuy (811015) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146009)

I'm not suprised. I know a pretty large amount of people that have upgraded to Vista, and many others who plan to. As many problems as it has it's actually a pretty solid OS, and if you don't plan on gaming, then it's got some really nice features.

Give it until next year (3, Insightful)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146029)

The true tale of Vista will be in about 18 months (from release). I know for myself, I wouldn't touch Vista until the early adopters suffer the bugs inherent in any new MS release and MS fixes them, Ditto for all the missing drivers for hardware. After this time next year Vista will have ripened and be ready for prime time and we'll get an idea of what it can really do that makes a it worthwhile upgrade over XP. If it doesn't have any advantages by then, penetration will be largely limited to newly bought PC's and MS will have to do a rethink. If it does improve and become useful, then MS will continue on as it always has, and while some may not like that, remember that no one changes a successful behaviour. For them, it has been successful, like it or not.

Right...buy Vista license... (1)

daivzhavue (176962) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146047)

and install XP. That's what my corp is having to do. Can't buy XP licenses any more, but Microsoft will sure let us buy the Vista license and install XP.

Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19146053)

You need to look at the ratio of number of licenses sold to the number of desktop computers out there. If you do that, you'll almost certainly find the ratio is right in line (if not a little worse) than it was in XP's time. The "record numbers" are just because there's more computers out there now.

Trusted source (1)

tttonyyy (726776) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146065)

40 million sold according to Microsoft.

In other news, my "jump off a cliff onto a rusty spike" (JOACOARS) extreme sport has taken off - now enjoyed by tens of thousands! So many people think it's great that you're bound to enjoy it too - roll up, roll up!

M$ Math (1)

Akratist (1080775) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146101)

This is how it really works: Hilf: Linux is dead. Since I said Linux is dead, all the Linux users have to switch to another operating system. Therefore, since Vista is the greatest thing to ever hit a desktop, all (former) Linux users are now buying Vista! Ballmer: I could buy 40 million folding chairs!

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19146121)

How does this compare to how many Windows licenses they would have sold if Vista had never been released?

And in other news... (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146123)

By polls I conduct and metrics I control I am the biggest hit with the ladies ever! I can count slaps as hits, right?

Do these numbers add up? (1)

hate_this_nick (699884) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146131)

I work for a major international bank, in application testing and deployment. At the moment 99.9% of our new computers run XP and still come with an XP licence. We have a number of Vista test machines but that's about it. As far as I know most of the banking industry has not moved to Vista, and is probably a long way from being ready to make the move. My GF works for a large law firm (2500 staff across the UK) and again, their platform is XP and will be for some time. Just who is buying Vista?

Re:Do these numbers add up? (1)

Kythe (4779) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146273)

Just who is buying Vista?

Home users, for whom a new PC comes with Vista by default. Of course, many of those PC's may just be upgraded to XP promptly. That's what I did.

Kind of like copies of AOL (what an amazingly successful company THAT must be--just look at all the copies of AOL out there!).

How many aren't running it any more? (1)

VoxMagis (1036530) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146141)

How many folks have ended up 'downgrading' back to XP that are included in that license count? My wifes laptop came with Vista preloaded, but after a few days of her yelling at it, I reloaded it with a copy of XP. Heck, maybe MS knows they can make double money from us when we have to go buy an XP license too! Vista should be okay, but right now it isn't. Simple fact. I despise Microsoft and all, but someday it may actually do well. It's just that right now, I do believe that these numbers are odd. I would love to see the sales of actual retail sales and such as opposed to the numbers here, which include all those Dells, Compaqs, etc.

"Sold" (1)

nagora (177841) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146191)

As in "forced people to buy". Big deal. Sell the OS separate from the machine and we'll see what the market for this shit really is.

TWW

Did anyone notice... (1)

woohootoo (904621) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146207)

...smoke rising from the rear of Bill's trousers when he announced these sales figures?

How many people do you know (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146215)

running Vista? I know three people who have tried it and dropped it. I myself have a legal copy which I do not intend to use.

For me bye bye Vista hello Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19146219)

I am just about to start installing XP and Feisty Fawn in a dual boot config over the Vista Ultimate that came with a warranty replacement Dell laptop. I've had the machine for a couple of months now, the bugs are getting worse and I've had enough. It's now time for me to have another foray into the Linux world with XP as backup for the programs where the equivalents in Linux are still not quite there.

Vista is a great opportunity for Linux - already 40 million disillusioned potential new converts.

Be interesting to find out... (4, Insightful)

Kythe (4779) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146221)

...just how many copies of AOL are in circulation. Surely, the fact that it's included with just about every new PC proves AOL is a stellar success.

Pulling an Epstein? (2, Informative)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146231)

When the beatles first record was released, their manager reportedly bought 10,000 copies so that it would make it into the charts. I wonder how many copies of Vista were purchased by Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer.

Possibly inflated (1)

jshriverWVU (810740) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146249)

I dont think the numbers are that high because people *want* Vista, but because any PC you buy now adays comes preloaded with it. I'm still fighting to exchange Vista for XP for my uncles laptop. To many problems with it so far, and all he does it use Streets and Trips (he's a trucker). If when you walk into Walmart/Best Buy/etc you could choose XP or Vista, I'd bet those numbers would be a lot lower.

Typical Microsoft stretch marketing (4, Insightful)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146267)

Trying to make a failed product launch look like a success.

Fortunately, there are articles [theinquirer.net] that take a more rational view of how many copies of Vista are actually being sold.

The headline is simple, 40 million copies sold. Wow, we rox0rz! This is twice as fast as the XP adoption rate. What he didn't mention is that sales of PCs have more than doubled since XP came out. Silly Vole, no statistical cookie. The problem? Well, PCs sell at about 60 million units a quarter, and everyone we talk to expects sales of around 240-245 million units in 2007. Vista went on sale at the end of November for corporate customers, and one would expect a fair chunk of sales there from pent-up demand.

Steady increase from 0% to 1.6% (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 7 years ago | (#19146295)

This probably won't survive a spam filter...

jan-07 Windows XP 896100 78,30%
jan-07 Windows 2000 76054 6,60%
jan-07 Windows 98 31422 2,70%
jan-07 Windows Me 9672 0,80%
jan-07 Windows 2003 6794 0,50%
jan-07 Windows NT 4180 0,30%
jan-07 Windows Vista 1075 0,00%
jan-07 Windows 95 370 0,00%
jan-07 Windows CE 113 0,00%
feb-07 Windows XP 860436 71,00%
feb-07 Windows 98 121822 10,00%
feb-07 Windows 2000 77930 6,40%
feb-07 Windows Me 7977 0,60%
feb-07 Windows NT 5978 0,40%
feb-07 Windows 2003 5063 0,40%
feb-07 Windows Vista 1446 0,10%
feb-07 Windows 95 442 0,00%
feb-07 Windows CE 174 0,00%
mar-07 Windows XP 1288545 74,90%
mar-07 Windows 2000 101035 5,80%
mar-07 Windows 98 83397 4,80%
mar-07 Windows Me 12390 0,70%
mar-07 Windows 2003 7020 0,40%
mar-07 Windows Vista 5091 0,20%
mar-07 Windows NT 4545 0,20%
mar-07 Windows 95 277 0,00%
mar-07 Windows CE 63 0,00%
mar-07 Windows 3.xx 1 0,00%
apr-07 Windows XP 1170028 76,10%
apr-07 Windows 2000 82087 5,30%
apr-07 Windows 98 25694 1,60%
apr-07 Windows Vista 8821 0,50%
apr-07 Windows Me 7704 0,50%
apr-07 Windows 2003 6798 0,40%
apr-07 Windows NT 2097 0,10%
apr-07 Windows CE 234 0,00%
apr-07 Windows 95 191 0,00%
apr-07 Windows 3.xx 1 0,00%
may-07 Windows XP 542208 75,00%
may-07 Windows 2000 45535 6,30%
may-07 Windows 98 13740 1,90%
may-07 Windows Vista 12114 1,60%
may-07 Windows Me 5571 0,70%
may-07 Windows 2003 4549 0,60%
may-07 Windows NT 800 0,10%
may-07 Windows CE 65 0,00%
may-07 Windows 95 47 0,00%

These are the hits on a server,
with US accounting for about 55%.
The user base is global.
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