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Microsoft Says Your Phone is Your Next PC

samzenpus posted more than 7 years ago | from the the-swiss-army-phone dept.

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eldavojohn writes "While other companies are marrying the obvious functionalities to cell phones (calendar, MP3 player, GPS, etc.), Microsoft is aiming for it to be your next computer. Microsoft Research chief Craig Mundie said that, "Microsoft has a research project called 'Fone+' that would allow the phone to work with a TV as a secondary display, and one that could allow video stored on the device to be played back on the television.""

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271 comments

Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19153367)

Microsoft is talking....

Re:Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet! (1)

x_MeRLiN_x (935994) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153383)

Not if I don't patent anything and everything related to phone PCs.

Re:Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet! (1)

phrostie (121428) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153393)

i heard they were going to call it an aMEga

Re:Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet! (5, Funny)

blankaBrew (1000609) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153431)

Will it come in brown?

Re:Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet! (5, Funny)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153791)

And will it squirt?

Re:Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet! (2, Interesting)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153493)

Quiet? Once I got to "to work with a TV as a secondary display" I cracked up. I remember using a TV as a display a long time ago, with my TRS-80 Color Computer. Unless you're going to use HDTV, it's a serious pain.

I'd put this right up with the recent threats about Linux and patents as press releases that really mean, "Hey, we're making it sound like Vista is doing great, but it's crashing, and we're really scared we might no longer be the big bully on the block. Instead of seeing how desperate we are, we want you to think we have other ideas." Or, translation, "Vista not doing well? You've gotta be -- oh, look, flying pigs!"

Whenever I read stories like this I remember just how poorly MS does with products that aren't based on their existing monopolies.

Re:Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet! (1)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153965)

It's not thaaat bad an idea. With HDTVs you can get some decently clear text, unlike the 40 column text with SDTVs. I wouldn't mind a smartphone that plugs in to a TV to surf/read email in full screen resolution. The only problem I see if the component or HDMI cable will be as big as the phone.

Re:Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet! (2, Insightful)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154051)

Quiet? Once I got to "to work with a TV as a secondary display" I cracked up. I remember using a TV as a display a long time ago, with my TRS-80 Color Computer. Unless you're going to use HDTV, it's a serious pain.

I presume you didn't read TFA and instead projected your negative preception of Microsoft onto the summary. FYI, that bit of the summary relates to this quote from TFA:

"There's no reason that if this thing were hooked up to a large display that we couldn't watch video in this environment," Mundie said.

The fact that the average person in the developed world spends hours per day viewing video on a TV suggests that TVs are widely considered adequate for that task.

Re:Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet! (2, Insightful)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154253)

Ah, so you're one of those, "Let's see how many people we can take down if they say the least negative thing about MS" fanboys that lurks around.

Yes, you can use a TV to watch videos, if that's all you do with your toys. On the other hand, if you read the first sentence of the article, it uses the phrase "formalize the transition of the phone to a mobile PC." I don't know about you, but I use my computer for a lot of things, most of which need text and very few involved just video.

So I'd suggest reading all of TFA before saying others have not.

Oh, and that pretty much renders your other point as a non sequitor.

Re:Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet! (1)

raftpeople (844215) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154263)

"There's no reason that if this thing were hooked up to a large display that we couldn't watch video in this environment," Mundie said.

The fact that the average person in the developed world spends hours per day viewing video on a TV suggests that TVs are widely considered adequate for that task.

Ok, so I use the TV to watch some TV. What do I need the phone for again?

Re:Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet! (1)

Nethead (1563) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154467)

I don't watch TV. I wish others wouldn't.

Re:Shhhhhh! Everyone be quiet! (1)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153505)

E.F. Hutton doesn't exist anymore. I remember something about pizza boxes;
Maybe Microsoft can `deliver` their `phone` in pizza boxes.

More? (4, Insightful)

growse (928427) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153375)

Given their spectacular foray into the MP3 player market, and the hideous mess that is Windows Mobile, I wonder exactly what more plans they have for markets they "don't really get"....

Re:More? (2, Interesting)

superphreak (785821) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153439)

I have a Dell Axim and was recently looking on their (Dell's) web site for the Axim and couldn't find it. I went to look in the news for Dell Axim and found out that Dell had pulled the Axim because they thought that the future was in "smart phones," so I guess MS isn't the only one.

The Phone that runs Windows Vista (1)

Cassini2 (956052) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153445)

The Phone that runs Windows Vista: This I have to see ...

Or on second thoughts, maybe not!

Re:The Phone that runs Windows Vista (5, Funny)

LDoggg_ (659725) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153865)

Found it. [mobilementalism.com]

Re:The Phone that runs Windows Vista (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19154093)

640 GB should be enough for any phone.

Re:The Phone that runs Windows Vista (1)

Grinin (1050028) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154133)

the processor would get so hot it would melt right into your leg or give you cancer within 0 seconds... the first virus will make them blow up in your pocket, and it will dial XXX bbs's day in and day out.... I can't wait

Vacuum cleaners? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19153755)

My guess is that they'll make vacuum cleaners next, just so they can have at least one new product that's guaranteed not to suck.

Re:Vacuum cleaners? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19154211)

Ba-dump chinnngg!

Re:More? (3, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153781)

I wonder exactly what more plans they have for markets they "don't really get"....

If you read Bill Gates' book The Road Ahead [amazon.com] sometime, you'll realize that Gates has some very impractical visions of the future. WebTV was everything he dreamed of for the future of home computers, which is why Microsoft bought them out. It didn't seem to quite occur to Gates that the computer would absorb the television instead. (A subtle but important distinction.) Expect Microsoft to try and make your cellphone into a "Digital Wallet"/Personal Assistant rather than following the more practical "micropayment" designs that Europe ties to cellphones. (Gates believes that the digital wallet will completely replace the leather one.)

Re:More? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154045)

Which version? There were two. The first edition didn't make hardly a mention of the Internet at all, while companies like Netscape were already capitalizing on the Net. So it didn't quite occur to Gates the first time he wrote the book (in 1994 no less) that the Internet would become important at all. So, yes, I very much agree with you, albeit for different reasons.

Re:More? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19154159)

He might right about the digital wallet.
In South Korea and Japan, you can use your phone to do an amazing number of things including banking/use as a credit card/public transportation card.
Adoption is not fast, even in these countries, but it's coming.

Tablets.... yawn... (2, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153883)

MS have pushed tablets three or four times and they've always failed (starting way back around 1990). The reason: this is one of Bill Gate's pet areas of interest and immense effort goes into these failures. In fact all their business areas bleed money except for selling XP + Office to corporates. This has been so for a long time. Perhaps if other business units had to make money they'd think a bit more and create better products.

MS direction is not set by listening to the market, but by Bill's ego. This is what happens when you have a virtual monopoly.

Re:Tablets.... yawn... (1)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154507)

Tablets will take off. Gates also understood that media center PCs would be huge, but he (self-admittedly) got into the market way, way too soon (mid-1990s).

Tablets fill a niche where you need a portable PC that you can take notes on. They're perfect for students and workers who aren't at an office, and you can expect that once the price drops below a threshold there'll be huge uptake of tablet PCs.
The only question is what that threshold is, and will tablet PCs turn a profit while under that threshold. This is a reasonable question, and a huge potential market hinges on it, and I don't think Gates is the only person who recognizes that.

Re:Tablets.... yawn... (1)

tcc3 (958644) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154559)

People keep saying the tablet idea is a failure and I dont get it. Sure back when it was an expensive uber feature, it didnt do very well. But now almost every company offers a convertible tablet. Its cheap enough that it doesnt really add to the cost. I cant see not wantign the option, even if you dont need it every day. I can see a time when the convertible tablet sceen will be a common if not ubiquitous feature.

Or do you mean the pure tablet models with no drives? Cause those are a lost cause, except in very specific applications

Re:More? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19154237)

I'm actually starting to feel a little sorry for Microsoft. Here is a huge company that once owned the PC market. With all their resources though they have never been able innovate. They try again and again but miss the mark so badly its embarrassing.

Re:More? (2, Insightful)

anaesthetica (596507) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154405)

No, they get it just fine. My iPhone is my next PC.

Gee.. (4, Insightful)

thestudio_bob (894258) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153379)

Gee, how inovative. He announces the next big thing 4 months after Steve Jobs demos one.

Re:Gee.. (4, Insightful)

Darth Cider (320236) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153513)

You said it right. Ballmer sez the iPhone is nuthin, then MS announces this original(TM) idea. How ridiculous! Don't they have any shame? They have NO innovative ideas and could not mortgage all their stock to come up with even ONE original idea. Jobs was right at the Apple board meeting: developing great products is NOT "as easy as writing a check." Poor poor pitiful college grads who take a job at Microsoft. No glory, only shame.

Re:Gee.. (5, Insightful)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153535)

Actually, MS has been ahead of Apple in this market for at least 11 years starting with Windows CE. I've had several of the devices and my HP Ipaq 6945 eclipses the capabilities of any computer I owned until maybe 2000. WM5 is not perfect and has a long way to go, as does the hardware. But unlike Apple's product that you can't buy anywhere and that doesn't have a QUERTY and that doesn't have a the possibility of getting third party developers, WM has had all of that for several years.

Re:Gee.. (1)

stubear (130454) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154027)

Amen. How the hell did the OP get modded insightful? Oh, yeah, over-zealous Apple fanbois who probably think Apple invented the computer.

Re:Gee.. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154593)

No but they did make the first useful PC.

Re:Gee.. (4, Informative)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154169)

Actually, MS has been ahead of Apple in this market for at least 11 years starting with Windows CE.

That really depends on how far back you want to go and how long you want to carry out an argument. Windows CE didn't exist until about five years after the original Newton.

Re:Gee.. (1)

soupforare (542403) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154341)

The HP LXes were better than both, imo. The first beat the newton by few years, I believe.
I really wish that form factor didn't stagnate and then die.

Re:Gee.. (2, Interesting)

stubear (130454) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154379)

Yeah, I loved having conversations on my Newton. Oh, wait, you couldn't do that could you? While SmartPhones are not 11 years old, Microsoft has been in teh cell phone industry with proven products for years now. What does Apple have to show? A promise and nothing more. Even when the iPhone is released to market it will have less functionality then SmartPhones that are a few years old.

Re:Gee.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19154579)

But unlike Apple's product that you can't buy anywhere and that doesn't have a QUERTY and that doesn't have a the possibility of getting third party developers, WM has had all of that for several years.
I hope for your sake you dont have an english layout keyboard, because otherwise you look like a fucking moron for misspelling qwerty

Re:Gee.. (4, Interesting)

Col. Klink (retired) (11632) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153771)

Not only that, but it was just over two weeks ago that we got this [usatoday.com] gem from Ballmer slamming the iPhone (discussed on /. [slashdot.org] ):

A phone is really a general purpose device. You want to make telephone calls, you want to get and receive messages, text, e-mail, whatever your preference is. The phone really is kind of a general purpose device that we need to have clean and easy to use.

Re:Gee.. (3, Insightful)

policy (1079865) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153857)

To be fair, if you ever read Bill Gate's book "The road ahead" (I was a naive young man, I know) he actually predicted and discussed a lot of the technology and ideas that we are seeing sprout up. I'm not a Microsoft troll or anything, so don't flame me! I just wanted to point out that there isn't much room for innovation these days due to corporate hierarchies and management issues. Most of these exciting technologies have been on paper and in the minds of visionaries for years, even decades. Thankfully, the big boys are hard at work trying to compete over the "next big thing." Nothing wrong with that! If you want innovation, take a look at the smaller silicon valley companies or startups that are producing the fun and addictive apps you use on a regular basis! :)

This is Microsoft Research.. (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154077)

their job is to be interested in anything new, especially anything new that competitors are interested in, and to patent key elements to stop it ever becoming a threat to their core business.

Re:Gee.. (3, Insightful)

BeanThere (28381) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154145)

Apple 'underpromises and overdelivers', Microsoft 'overpromises and underdelivers', this is how it pretty much always has been. Microsoft as a general marketing strategy often announce 'hi-tech' vaporware supposedly in the pipeline that never comes about anyway. And it doesn't matter, they don't really mean it, it's just PR to get people talking and to brainwash people into associating 'Microsoft' with 'visionary hi-tech ideas' (even if they are old ideas or someone else's ideas, they have the money to parade them as their own). And most people just don't make the connection when years later all they really get from Microsoft is the same old watered down repackaged-1990s-technology crapware. It's just to make sure that whenever the masses hear about newish ideas, they hear about them in association with their brand name.

Re:Gee.. (1)

yoprst (944706) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154483)

Well, they've been moving in that direction for years. WinCE, compact .net framework...
Expect to pay ms tax when you buy your new phone...

Microsoft Says? (0)

jackhitrov (977971) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153389)

That is not fair! Microsoft finally repeats, would be more true. A lot of people have been saying that for years...

They haven't a clue anymore. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19153397)

Microsoft no longer knows what the hell their next product is. How many different "the next PC will be..." announcements are they going to make?

Re:They haven't a clue anymore. (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153617)

How many will it take to get back their full monopoly power of the mid-90s, only expanded into every market possible? My guess is at least that many, or as many as they can manage before disintegrating under the weight of their own crappy products.

Re:They haven't a clue anymore. (1)

Tuoqui (1091447) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153655)

The Next PC will be your Toaster! It will run Windows Vista, and by the time its done making your toast you'll probably throw it through a window too.

They haven't a clue anymore. (1)

Quiscalus (974387) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154571)

The thing that was said by the AC was that "Microsoft no longer knows what the hell their next product is. How many different "the next PC will be..." announcements are they going to make?"

prior art (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19153405)

I once had a friend who had a watch that could remote-control some tv sets.

Can that communication device/protocol be considered prior-art?

Because i think M$ has some patent litigation to resolve with [insert clock brand here]...

Lovely... A phone with DRM.. (4, Funny)

the_rajah (749499) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153409)

Just what I want.... NOT!

"Sorry, Dave, I can't let you take that call from a non-Microsoft phone. Accept or Deny?"

Re:Lovely... A phone with DRM.. (1)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154489)

Sorry sir, the "NOT" joke is copyrighted material and we're going to have to file a DMCA takedown notice as you've apparently bypassed the MS Customer Laughter Enablement System, which is a clear violation...

Oh, I'm sorry. Apparently my lawyers have informed me that the copyright for that joke has expired and is now public domain. Carry on!

Ok, what else, in Microsofts world, is ....? (0)

3seas (184403) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153411)

...is all going on?

I don't know cause I use Linux...

What Phone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19153413)

Funny, I haven't got a cell phone, but I've got lots of PCs.

I must be one of those "old, affluent" people with land lines. Sadly, I don't seem to have got that "affluent" part.

Too many functions (2, Insightful)

davidc (91400) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153429)

Why can't a phone just be a phone any more? I don't want a phone that's a PDA, camera, voice recorder, makes the dinner, advises me on my psychoses, and so on. I just want it to be a phone, darn it!

Re:Too many functions (1)

bearinboots (743355) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153501)

I hear ya! Mobile phones are trying to be all these different things but when it comes down to it, they're pretty crappy as phones.

Re:Too many functions (1)

linvir (970218) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153587)

Anybody know of a phone like this? I've practically stopped bothering with the things recently. So much feature bloat... it was actually hurting performance. I had a Siemens my201x that actually lagged noticeably behind button presses because of how bloated it was.

I have a Nokia 7110 on its way to me right now. It has a bit of superfluous crap, like a browser, but as far as I can tell its mostly phone. Anybody know of anything better?

Re:Too many functions (1)

hobo sapiens (893427) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153701)

I always get Motorolas. I have a motorola l6, which has a camera, plays mp3, has bluetooth, blah blah. But it is an excellent phone. I don't use any of that stuff really and it stays out of the way pretty well if I don't ask for it.

I detest phones. I have smashed a few Motorolas in my day (crappy flip phones from Nextel...grumble grumble). But I actually like this phone and do not want to get rid of it (plus I dropped crappy Nextel for Cingular, which makes it even better).

A friend of mine has a motorla L2, which is the same phone only without the camera and stuff. That might be right up your alley. Again, coming from someone who hates phones and the useless gadgetry that accompanies most phones. It's gotta be better than that Nokia you say you have. My wife has a Nokia 6102 I think and that phone is a cheap plastic toy.

Re:Too many functions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19153785)

Who ACTUALLY watches tv on there phone. after a couple days and constantly being on the charger i think they would be done.

Re:Too many functions (1)

tiffany98121 (1094419) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153879)

They still sell those, you know. If that's what you prefer, then by all means vote with your pocketbook. But this curmudgeonly argument sounds like something my dad says when technology progresses.

Re:Too many functions (2, Insightful)

cuby (832037) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154425)

If you want a machine that sums why do you buy a computer? You can always buy a calculator! I'm tired of this "I don't what a Swiss knife phone talk". There's a lot of choice in the market... Go buy a nokia 1010 or something.
This subject has to much importance for this kind of light analysis.

Before I start, I must tell that I'm pro-open source and I don't like Microsoft or Apple.

The interesting point here is to create a good platform to support mobile computing. At the present moment the hardware standards are a mess and the software... In the last two years I've programmed in a lot of mobile environments like J2ME, Symbian and .NET Compact Framework, and I can tell you that the best one is .NET. J2ME is very limited, C++ for Symbian is very fast but the framework is unfriendly, taking a lot of time to develop an application. The compact framework from Microsoft is the more balanced and the one more used for B2B applications. .NET is supperb? no, but it works well and is gaining support from the industry.

Unfortunately there's no practical open source alternative to the previous 3, and it is a shame. Mono and openMoko are not yet mature and mobile ubuntu is still vaporware.

In the meanwhile everybody speaks about Apple's iPhone... I don't see over there a good platform for third party applications. I'm not sure if apple has the resources to develop a software platform like Symbian or the .Net Compact Framework... And without that my friends, in 10 years, it does not matter if linux is in every desktop, the majority of computers will be portable and they will run windows because the industry will make software for them. The same old story over and over again.

The community needs to pay more attention to mobile devices.

Re:Too many functions (3, Interesting)

Max Littlemore (1001285) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154503)

Why can't a phone just be a phone any more?

I've wondered about this push to include more and more features. I do however use some of the features in my phone.

I do:

  • Use the camera for quick happy snaps and giving directions. I have sent pictures to friends so that they can find a place that's tricky by address alone.
  • Play games on the train, simple games. The thought of playing a fps on something that size makes me want to book in at the osteopath, but tetris, golf, etc are a good way to kill time.
  • Listen to mp3s. Some people have a phone and a seperate player, I find the combination convenient.

I don't:

  • Use the web browser. It costs extra in network access and hurts my eyes. I maintain that the iPhone would be better named iStrain
  • Use it to do more than simple text messaging and editing.
  • Use it to edit photos, audio production, database, office apps, development, etc. That's what my PC is for.

Phones are just too small. When I'm doing PC type work, I want a laptop or a PC, not a tiny hand held thing, and especially not one that will "enable my digital lifestyle" (read prevent me from doing anything that does provide revenue for Microsoft).

already done (1)

v_1_r_u_5 (462399) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153507)

with sites like Orb networks [orb.com] , you can already watch live TV at high FPS on your mobile phone. You can also already display your phone's view to any computer with remote display programs [microsoft.com] ; it's just a matter of considering your computer as your TV, which many of us already do [hauppauge.com] .

Flaming iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19153517)

Didn't Microsoft dismiss the Apple iPhone as not being of any importance?

Playing catchup again... to the iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19153541)

Apple shows 'em up again. MS steps in too late in another copycat move. Gotta reprogram all those leftover Zunes to do something useful!

Video from phone on TV? (1, Insightful)

misleb (129952) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153543)

Isn't that, like, a big step backwards from HD TV? I mean, what kind of video coudl a phone possibly put out? Might as well watch YouTube on your TV. :P

-matthew

Re:Video from phone on TV? (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153593)

My GP2X can put out 720x480, that's plenty of resolution for me to watch on a big screen. There are plenty of portable devices that put out HD as well, that's why Mini-DVI was invented.

Re:Video from phone on TV? (1)

Medgur (172679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153837)

XBMC lets me do that... Quite fun actually, even on the projector.

MS != 'oracle' anymore (4, Interesting)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153547)

if they ever were an oracle for the tech industry that is.

As mentioned, they have yet to release any product worth much this century --- say that slowly to yourself!

No matter how hard they try, and they will, MS will not get anything that can be called portable enough to be a 'phone' to also be a person's primary computer, with or without the addition of interfacing to a tv for video output. The claim of running video from it is just a bit absurd at the current level of technology. So what would be the point of saying something like that? Have you ever watched a stage magician at work? Yep, they tell you one thing to keep you distracted while they seemingly work to pull a rabbit out of a hat. We all know that what you get is not what you saw, or think you saw.

First, we have them misquoting reports to make Linux look 'illegal', then pumped up sales figures for Vista, now this? WOW, the MS spin machine will need some new bearings soon. The ones they are using will be worn out soon, if they aren't already about to fail.

The reality of the world is what they are trying to distract us from:

FireFox is gaining ground at the expense of IE
ODF is gaining ground at MS' expense
OOo is gaining ground at MS' expense
Dell is shipping Ubuntu systems at the expense of Vista
Dell is shipping XP systems at the expense of Vista
MS is being implicated in even more illegal/monopolistic dealings
MS' best friends in government are too busy right now to help them out again
BillG's foundation is getting bad press
Apple is still the tech world's stage hog
Zune is all but buried in the back pages of tech history .... and on and on

In fact, nothing MS has touched in recent years has ended up good for them.... and THAT is what they don't want stockholders to realize

I'm betting that some people in Redmond are looking for a new place in the Sun

Re:MS != 'oracle' anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19154435)

You forgot that the xbox is being beaten by a piece of piss, wii

Fuck Microsoft! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19153579)

Dance monkey boy! Thank you.

And they will call it the Nokia N95. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19153649)

And actually I think the N93 could also output to the TV... Ah well, better late than never I guess.

Microsoft Research chief Craig Mundie (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153661)

Wow. Mundie has moved up in the world hasn't he?

I remember a few of my research associates quitting their academic positions to go work at Microsoft. They quickly discovered that any respect they had in the field quickly evaporated. It was a tough time for them.

What I gotta wonder is, knowing that the head of the research department at Microsoft is nothin' but a marketting shill, how could expect serious academics to treat you any different?

cell phone internet costs too much and the caps... (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153673)

cell phone internet costs too much and the caps are to low to use it as a pc 5gb is real small.

phone as my pc? (1)

vimh42 (981236) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153807)

I don't know. I just bought two 20" LCDs for my PC. Somehow I don't think my phones can replace that.

Microsoft tells it like it is (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153813)

What they forgot to mention is, your phone will be running Linux.

Revolutionary! (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153821)

"Microsoft has a research project called 'Fone+' that would allow the phone to work with a TV as a secondary display, and one that could allow video stored on the device to be played back on the television."


So, Microsoft has a "research project" that would allow a wireless phone to be used like my iPod can be used now: with a TV as a secondary display, including for stored video. Hmm. A phone, that could be used the same way an iPod can be now. And that might include even more of the features one expects in a general purpose computer? Hmm. Can't think of any of Microsoft's competitors that might be ahead in that direction. Nope, this must be pure Microsoft innovation at its finest.

Re:Revolutionary! (1)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154557)

They can also split the screen! [slashdot.org] Bravo!

Windows Mobile 5.0 (4, Informative)

strikethree (811449) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153829)

No. My cel phone is not my next PC. There are two main problems. The first is that nobody has figured out a reasonable UI with the screenspace that is available. The second is that Windows Mobile 5.0 is buggy, bloated, slow, and not very useful to program for.

I have a smart phone right now and it crashes about once a week with no extra software installed other than what came with the phone.

strike

just wait til MobileVista(tm)!!! (1)

hguorbray (967940) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154087)

I can't wait to *see* what the VistaPhone has to offer -file transfers at half speed due to DRM and a dualcoreCPU 1GB RAM requirements HAHAHA!!!

-I'm just sayin'

Oh really? And who's going to make me? (1)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153845)

I like my things the way they are now.
I manage to live a fairly happy life without any Microsoft toys or bling-bling.

Sorry Bill, I have no need for your products or services.

yes but... (1)

owlnation (858981) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153869)

... does it come in brown?

Simon says....jump off of the bridge! (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153885)

I for one, am not letting MS anywhere near my phone (landline) or PC (Kubuntu dapper)!

No thanks (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153891)

Why can't I just have a phone that lets me place and receive phone calls?

You can! It's called POTS. (1)

porky_pig_jr (129948) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154073)

A plain old telephone service. As an extra benefit, it can connect you to network at about 52Kbps if the line isn't that noisy.

Why not the other way around? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19153927)

Maybe my pc is my next phone?

"Two" projects ? (1)

musyne (959496) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153941)

[...] allow the phone to work with a TV as a secondary display, and one that could allow video stored on the device to be played back on the television.
Wait, if I can use my TV as a secondary display on one phone, do I REALLY need another phone to play video on the big screen ?

From the life of my cellphone experience. (1)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 7 years ago | (#19153945)

"Hi Mom, it's me." ....

"Yea I know this is a weird number for me to call you from but..." ....

"Mom can I borrow 900 dollars? I dropped my computer in the toilet at the club and I need a new one to I can write my report for the meeting Monday." ....

"Mom? You there? I think we got disconnected" ... "Hello?"

Purpose of Phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19153983)

Call me old fashioned or something, but I remember when the purpose of a cell phone was
to make and receive calls.

That's all I use mine for, just give me a phone that does that, and does it well. Anything else is a damn toy.

Hmm (-1, Troll)

obeythefist (719316) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154137)

Anyone ever hear of this before?

I don't think I've ever heard of this before.

Does that mean that Microsoft innovated?

I bet the slashbots will find some way to discredit this. After all, only Apple and Linux innovate, right?

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19154551)

MS is actually doing 'research' on this connection to tv thing. In China the mobile phone market is full of phones that connects to TV as a secondary display to play games or watch movies. I bought a Linux phone (Haier N60) almost 2 years ago that could connect to tv (with an adapter) and watch the videos stored on my phone.

Fone+ (1)

TheConfusedOne (442158) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154289)

Will that have the little red squiggly line under it?

I guess after shoving Windows into the thing they'll have to drop a letter from it's spelling because they're out of space...

Press Release (1)

MountainLogic (92466) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154307)

Is it just me or is /. feeling more like a PR site for MS products than new news for nerds?

Why not use your eggbeater as a windmill? (5, Insightful)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154371)

Why not use your tweezers as a wrench?

Why not use your oboe as a bassoon?

Why not use your sleeve as a handkerchief?

Why not use your car as a truck?

Why not use your PC as a doorstop?

Welcome to Japan 10 years ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19154381)

Japanese have been using their phones as their primary connection to the internet for email, shopping, news, music, photos, videos, maps, weather and more for years.

Modularity (2, Insightful)

Wordplay (54438) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154383)

After buying a Nokia N800, I don't think so. I think having the connectivity be in a separate device from the computing is a huge win, for most of the same reasons we went away (or never adopted) the all-in-one model on the desktop.

1) In a convergence device, if two parts are important and are still in active development, one part will always obsolesce faster than the other part and force replacement of both.

2) In the particular case of a cell phone/computer, you -can't- replace the phone cheaply and easily until your plan's up (yes, eBay, but that can be tricky), forcing you to use an obsolete computer for the duration.

3) The design considerations for a phone and the design considerations for a portable computer are similar, yes--you want small, thin, and simple to use for both. However, if you want any sort of real power from the portable computer, it's nearly a given that it will need to be bigger and thicker and less simple than a cell phone of the same tech level would be. It needs to do more stuff.

4) Not -all- the design considerations are the same. The portable computer probably wants a relatively large, high resolution screen, and it probably wants to have a touchscreen. A phone doesn't need the complexity or defect rates of a touchscreen, and a high resolution screen on a phone means either a large phone or a relatively high defect rate from a high-pixel-density screen.

5) You don't always want all of your functionality wherever you go. Sometimes you just need a phone. It'd be nice if you could take your 2oz phone with you, instead of your 7oz smartphone.

6) If your phone breaks, you lose your computer, and vice versa.

7) We just don't really need to do it that way, now that bluetooth lets you essentially wear modules in a jacket or nearby bag. You can make a really small phone, if you're not trying to hang a computer off it. You can make it even smaller if you position it to use a bluetooth headset as the primary mic/speaker cluster (of course, you still have built-in ones as backups, but they don't have to be super-comfortable). The classic argument against multiple devices is too much space taken, but if you can make everything as small as they possibly can be for their focused purpose, you can minimize that. Making things smaller is one thing we generally get good at as time goes on.

Sure, there's always going to be a market for phones like the Verizon V/NV or the Sidekick, that do a relatively large subset of the functions of a smartphone for people who don't need more. And eventually, the phone/modem part will hopefully end up standardizing and will be a commodity item that you don't have to chase advancements on. Maybe we'll even drop the current handcuffs model on phone plans. At that point, moving phone functionality into the portable computer makes a lot more sense.

For now though, if you really need a -smart- setup, use separate devices. It seems clunkier and more expensive at the beginning, but you'll always be able to stay at the front of the curve if you want to, and you won't have conflicting buying priorities holding you back.

playback on TV? (1)

themushroom (197365) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154433)

> one that could allow video stored on the device to be played back on the television

Would that be without the use of DRM? Hmm, doesn't sound characteristic...

The Microsoft Fone+ and Apple iPhone, too late! (1)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154487)

The Symbian OS based Nokia series [mobiletechnews.com] already has such features.

In fact to compete with the iPhone the Nokia N80ie [linspire.com] at almost half the price offers more freedom and is not crippled as the iPhone is crippled and I'll bet the Fone+ is criplled as well. Read the Nokia web site for features [nokiausa.com] on the phone.

N95? (5, Interesting)

Endareth (684446) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154501)

Didn't he just describe the already shipping Nokia N95?
Phone? Check!
Output to TV? Check!
Video playback to TV? Check!

Plus GPS, running Symbian Series 60 3rd Ed., etc...
So once again M$ comes in late. Good going...

"little iron" 1Ghz cell phones in the works (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19154517)

Vista sucks so bad WinCE is the next version? LoL (0, Flamebait)

Locutus (9039) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154563)

WTF, WinV is already slow enough on a dualcore desktop CPU and Microsoft wants your MS Windows based phone to be your next computer? THAT could only mean that they plan on WinCE being the base for the next version of MS Windows. ;-)

Who are these Microsoft clowns and where in the world do they keep coming up with this material?

LoB

They're waiting for their research lab... (2, Funny)

skurtz (1031382) | more than 7 years ago | (#19154651)

... in Cupertino.
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