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Why Web Pirates Can't Be Touched

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the except-by-elliot-ness dept.

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gwoodrow writes "Forbes has a brief article about, essentially, the ultimate futility of fighting online pirates. From the article: 'As the world's largest repository of BitTorrent files, ThePirateBay.org helps millions of users around the world share copyrighted movies, music and other files — without paying for them ... That's illegal, of course — at least it is in the U.S. But when Time Warner's (nyse: TWX — news — people ) Warner Bros. studio accused them of breaking U.S. copyright law in 2005, the pirates gleefully reminded the movie company that they didn't live in America, but rather in the land of vikings, reindeer, Aurora Borealis and cute blond girls.' The article also touches on the many YouTube clones and AllofMP3.com."

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That's because... (5, Funny)

u-bend (1095729) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166581)

...there aren't enough experienced online ninjas.

Re:That's because... (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166947)

Are you suggesting that web pirates are so much faster than the current crop of online ninjas that the ninjas can't even touch them?

Damn. I'm hope you and I don't use the same ISP, because the online ninjas are going to be coming for you.

Re:That's because... (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167595)

THe pirates are no good pirates. they do not have a parrot. SO the ninja's will win!

The real problem (0)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167829)

Whenever someone captures a web-pirate, they demand web-parle.

Well, it's really more of a guideline than a rule...

Re:That's because... Noooo, not the answer. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#19168019)

It's because they be got web scurvy!

Arrr! I told ye to eat your fruit!

Article is flawed. (5, Insightful)

Hobbs0 (1055434) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166593)

It assumes that copyright law around the world will not eventually be in line with U.S. copyright law as per the wishes of the *AA

Re:Article is flawed. (4, Funny)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166765)

Put down the bottle, man. What the hell does Alcoh...al..alcho...boozers anoni...anon..an...dammit, what dows AA have to do with copyw...copir...copyrit...that stuff anyhow?

Re:Article is flawed. (2, Informative)

VagaStorm (691999) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167005)

You are correct when you say the article is flawed, but not because all will get in line with us copyright laws, but because us sits that dos the same thing are not stopped. As a mater of fact, one of your largest internet companies, Google, basically provides much of the same functionality if you choose to search for only torrent files.....

No they don't. (4, Informative)

pavon (30274) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167327)

Did you RTFA or just the summary? From the article:

But there are more practical reasons that sites like Alluc.org get away with what they're doing. One is that there are simply too many of them to keep track of. Media companies' lawyers rarely have time to police so many obscure sites, and even when they do, users can always upload the infringing files again. So the flow of copyrighted streaming video continues.
These particular companies are centered in the US and Forbes stills argues that they will never be able to stomp them out entirely.

Where? (4, Funny)

jimbo3123 (320148) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166621)

the land of vikings, reindeer, Aurora Borealis and cute blond girls.'
North Korea?

Re:Where? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19166727)

he is referring to the land one enters when they masturbate.

Re:Where? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19166751)

the land of vikings, reindeer, Aurora Borealis and cute blond girls.' North Korea?

Cute blond girls? North Korea???? You must be an american...

Re:Where? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167315)

You must be a tightass dipshit.

Re:Where? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167113)

In North Korea, only vikings, reindeer, the Aurora Borealis and cute blond girls use torrent websites.

Re:Where? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167359)

In North Korea, only vikings, reindeer, the Aurora Borealis and cute blond girls use torrent websites.


In Soviet Russia, vikings, reindeer, the Aurora Borealis, cute blond girls and torrent websites use YOU!!!

Re:Where? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167371)

In Soviet Russia, torrent websites use vikings, reindeer, the Aurora Borealis and cute blond girls.

Re:Where? (1)

oregonnerd (657368) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167343)

When I was there (okay, so it was during the Vietnam war, a couple of years ago), dam' few blondes in Korea...though the other side of the DMZ I suppose it might have been different.
--Glenn

can't the submitter (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19166663)

at least remove the stock ticker info when copying?

Re:can't the submitter (2, Insightful)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 6 years ago | (#19168001)

Forget that, what about the *editor*!?

Also, they left in the unlinked link data. I don't mind that it shows the stock symbol, but then it says "news -- people". These must have been links in the copied text.

Seriously, guys. Seriously.

Just wait (3, Interesting)

edizzles (1029108) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166697)

At some point the US will get pressured by the RMIA which will in turn force there home country to Hand them over to the US, It happened with the blogger from AU.

Please everyone: (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19166733)

Just admit you're stealing. I would have so much less a problem with it if you didn't go down the "digital copy is not theft since I didn't deprive anyone of anything physical". You did deprive them - of money. If at least you'd admit it, I wouldn't care so much. It's just the stupid logic you guys use that is so infuriating.

Re:Please everyone: (1, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166829)

Just admit you're stealing. I would have so much less a problem with it if you didn't go down the "digital copy is not theft since I didn't deprive anyone of anything physical". You did deprive them - of money.

Suppose I decide not to buy a CD, but a DVD instead. My decision has deprived the CD manufacturer of money. Have I stolen anything? No.

Suppose I decide to produce a CD of my own. Many people choose to buy my CD instead of somebody else's. I have deprived that other CD manufacturer of money. Have I stolen anything? Again, no.

There are many ways to deprive people of money. Not all of them are stealing. Not all of them are even illegal.

Re:Please everyone: (2, Insightful)

cliffski (65094) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167521)

WTF? What idiots modded this insightful? what do you not understand. Nobody cares if you buy a DVD instead, or if you make your own CD, its when you take the CD AND USE it and do NOT pay for it, that we have a problem. It's really not complex. If something is priced at X dollars by the person who made it, and you want that thing, you PAY for it or you don't have it. Anything else is just a load of pseudo-intellectual waffle to justify taking other peoples hard work for free.
Why is this concept so beyond otherwise intelligent people? because they will rationalise any bullshit if it lets them take stuff for free.
Be honest. Your taking stuff and not paying for it, because you think you wont get caught. Any other debate on the issue is just window dressing.

Re:Please everyone: (1)

jfengel (409917) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167579)

And you consider the act of creating your own CD (learning to play music, recording, distributing) morally equivalent to copying the bits from somebody else's CD?

Don't take this the wrong way (5, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166927)

But could you please justify and explain the statement you made: "You did deprive them - of money."

Please cite your references and explain any statistics quoted in your explanation. Please also quantify how much money the **AA have been deprived of by TPB. Please do this so that we can forevermore trust that the **AA member companies declining revenues and train-wreck-about-to-happen business model is doomed because of TPB and others like them.

If you can prove that this is driving the **AA member companies out of business beyond any doubt, I will start downloading music and movies illegally to help ensure a quick end to the **AAs of the world.

Thank you

Re:Please everyone: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19166931)

I'm certainly not depriving them of money if I never planned to ever buy the item in the first place.

Re:Please everyone: (2, Insightful)

Paradigm_Complex (968558) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167035)

If I didn't have any intent to buy it if I couldn't aquire it otherwise (no good torrents, perhapse), then I didn't deprive them of anything at all. Now, there are legal (and moral?) issues with copywrite infringement - I'm not defending it - but in all honesty the copyright holders are not losing anything in a good majority of the cases. My only real defense to things like the Pirate Bay - in countries like the US - is that I am not willing to give up my legal abilities to share non-copyrighted information just to defend some pricks who have plenty of other options to defend their dying business model. Sorry, I get kind of infuriated when people post nonsense backed by stupid logic.

Go RMS on them. (3, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167795)

RMS is a bit rabid for my tastes, but he does make a point to be precise about language, and refuses to talk to people who won't be similarly precise.

So: It is NOT theft, or stealing. It is copyright infringement.

Re:Please everyone: (3, Insightful)

njchick (611256) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167059)

Just admit you're murdering. I would have so much less a problem with it if you didn't go down the "being an jerk is not murder since I didn't deprive anyone of life". You did deprive them - of years of happy life. If at least you'd admit it, I wouldn't care so much. It's just the stupid logic you guys use that is so infuriating.

Re:Please everyone: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167821)

Curse those geeks and their damn logic!

Seriously, you haven't even deprived them of money. They may have failed to gain money. But failure to gain is not loss.

$1.65 tillion? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19166753)

"the record labels have launched a lawsuit, asking for $150,000 for each stolen file, totaling $1.65 trillion [against allofmp3.com]"

How on earth can these people justify that figure? It's just insane, I hope the shit goes hard in the bastards

$150,000 per file? (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167735)

Given that you can get a CD on iTunes for -- what -- $10? Seems like they are asking for 15 THOUSAND times more money than they're owed, assuming they're owed anything at all.

huh? (5, Funny)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166787)

The pirates were living in the land of vikings
Shouldn't the vikings do something ?

....

Should I point out thepiratebay doesn't really host any copyrighted material or did that argument get old already?

Re:huh? (4, Funny)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166883)

Shouldn't the vikings do something ?

Have you ever been to Minnesota? It's not like they have anything going on at the moment. I heard they were planning to invade Wisconsin, but then someone mentioned a problem they had with lactose, so it was called off in favor of a quilting bee and a curling contest.

Minnesota, more Canadian than Canada.

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167485)

You betcha!

Re:huh? Minnesota's OK (1)

Christoph (17845) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167927)

Minnesota defies it's stereotype. It's not that bad of a stereotype, though, so I won't argue. And like many stereotypes, it's based on some truth.

Well... (-1, Offtopic)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166805)

Someone did beat them [slashdot.org], pretty hilariously. Not that you'll be reading about it here.

Re:Well... (1)

eddy (18759) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167089)

It wasn't AUH though, so it'd make a lousy story submission as is.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167205)

Huh -- not sure if I botched that or if the link changed after after I posted. It sounds like the reported story did change, but who knows.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167157)

That's cool, now I have a defense if 'somebody else' pirates with my user name, "Those damn hackers!"

Exsqueeze me? Baking Powder? (5, Insightful)

SpiritusGladius1517 (929800) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166881)

FTA:
From June to October 2006 alone, the Recording Industry Association of America says that 11 million songs were downloaded from the site. AllofMP3 claims those sales adhered strictly to Russian law, but that doesn't satisfy the RIAA; the record labels have launched a lawsuit, asking for $150,000 for each stolen file, totaling $1.65 trillion.

I'm sorry, did they say $1.65 trillion? The RIAA is off their rocker for sure. That much money is going to have to involve a war.

Re:Exsqueeze me? Baking Powder? (3, Insightful)

allscan (1030606) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167101)

Surely two countries have gone to war for less than $1.65 trillion. On a side note, let's not forget that Russia has oil. [and don't call me Shirley]

Re:Exsqueeze me? Baking Powder? (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167137)

Yea there were days when nations would go to war over just a few billion. But now it has to be at least a trillion.

Understood as the cost of war itself in in the hundreds of billions a year, so you do risk losing your investment if the war goes on too long.

Re:Exsqueeze me? Baking Powder? (1)

nelsonal (549144) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167221)

How much of that cost would be paid even during peace time, many of the solders would still be solders, and most of the equipment would still be owned, so I'm not sure that you can attribute all of the costs of war to the war (I think the key question is, "is having a military a sunk cost for a country?").

Re:Exsqueeze me? Baking Powder? (2, Informative)

analogheretic (968969) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167473)

A fair part of it would be, no doubt about it, but one of the big costs of a war is getting all that stuff that soldiers need to the war zone. A modern army has a long tail and almost all of that stuff is both heavy and consumable. Add to that the fact that you have to replace equipment at a faster rate (especially in desert environments with fine dust-like sand like Iraq and Saudi Arabia), you're going through a lot more ammo than you would in a peacetime training environment and the fact that you're having to pay your soldiers hazardous duty pay and a lot of little costs really start to add up. Especially if you're granting no-bid contracts to your buddies.

Re:Exsqueeze me? Baking Powder? (2, Funny)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167787)

Fine sand in Iraq and Saudi Arabia ! No way , the army recruitment center told me it was like Miami Beach there. And he even said I could play FPS games all day and night !

Re:Exsqueeze me? Baking Powder? (1)

SpiritusGladius1517 (929800) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167505)

I really meant that in the sense of, "If you want to collect that kind of cash (i.e., 12.5% of our 2006 GDP), you'll have to come over here and take it yourself."

Re:Exsqueeze me? Baking Powder? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167275)

Didnt Dubya go to war for 30 pieces of silver?

Re:Exsqueeze me? Baking Powder? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167259)

No war for O(nline) I(nterdiction) L(aws)!!!!!!

Re:Exsqueeze me? Baking Powder? (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167341)

but that doesn't satisfy the RIAA; the record labels have launched a lawsuit, asking for $150,000 for each stolen file, totaling $1.65 trillion.

Wait, someone's giving free trillions? I want one, where do I get it? Are there any left? One trillion, come on!

Damn it :(

Re:Exsqueeze me? Baking Powder? (3, Informative)

rmckeethen (130580) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167451)

Interestingly, the estimated GDP of the entire Russian Federation in 2006 was $1.727 trillion using the purchasing parity power scale; nominal GDP is even less at $979 billion in 2006 [1] [wikipedia.org]. Somehow, even if they win, I don't think the RIAA is going to be collecting on that bill anytime soon.

Re:Exsqueeze me? Baking Powder? (2, Funny)

zullnero (833754) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167827)

It would be hilarious if they did try to collect that 1.65 trillion. I can just imagine it:

AllOfMp3/PirateBay/et al: "We don't charge anything near that for our service, we just make enough on ad banners to justify paying for most of our server accounts and bandwidth"

RIAA: "Then we will force you all into servitude for the rest of your lives, and your children's lives!"

AllOfMp3/PirateBay/et al: "But we're geeks! There's a very high likelihood that we won't ever have kids!"

RIAA: (thinking) "Hmm...this may be true, and if it is, we'll probably only be able to collect on several million, and that's nowhere near 1.65 trillion...guess we'll have to go back to backdooring college kids and grannies computers again, and up the ante to 150k per file"

The scariest, yet most hilarious, thing about that is that from all indications, that could actually happen. (I say hilarious, because it shows exactly how insane and out of touch with reality the RIAA really is)

The land of the free. (2, Insightful)

John Jamieson (890438) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166933)

What irony if they had just said... "we live in the Land of the Free, not the U.S."

(note to those who refer to the USA as America. America is not a country)

Re:The land of the free. (0, Troll)

Glowing Fish (155236) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167099)

"America" might not be a country, but then neither is "Mexico", or "Brazil", or "France", or "Germany", or many other nations.
The United States of America happens to have a casual name that is also the name of the continent that the country is on. Yes, it can be confusing and inaccurate, but names can often be that way.

Re:The land of the free. (0, Troll)

nine-times (778537) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167295)

{note to those who refer to the United States of America as "U.S.": U.S. is not a country)

Re:The land of the free. (3, Informative)

authority69 (747949) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167471)

(note to those who refer to the USA as America. America is not a country)
Quit being a dumbass. Unless you're also wanting to say that China, Sweden, Germany, Zimbabwe, and Brazil aren't countries either.

America = United States of America
China = People's Republic of China
Sweden = Kingdom of Sweden
Germany = Federal Republic of Germany
Zimbabwe = Republic of Zimbabwe
Brazil = Federative Republic of Brazil

Do we need to start using every country's official title so your dumb ass can understand us? Get a clue. And just in case you were confused, the common usage of "Americans" refers to citizens of the United States of America, not the entire population of North and South America.

Who's the victim here? (3, Interesting)

Maliron (1026708) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166963)

Honestly, who is really loosing out on pirating? Some would argue the musicians are. Last I checked Metallica (oops just violated the DRM, thought about them without having a license) STILL makes more money than any pirate. If the group is small all they should care about is that their music is getting more exposure. Some would argue the movie industry. I wont even go into the elevenity billion dollars the studios are still making despite pirating. If they would make more of a effort to get the movie to DVD quicker there would be less pirating imho. Who wants to take the chance of blowing 50$ (without snacks) for your family to see a movie that sucks, which quite a few now days do. Really though, when did the entertainment industry stop being about entertainment, and more about milking every cent out of it they can.

Cause and no-effect. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19166985)

""Forbes has a brief article about, essentially, the ultimate futility of fighting online pirates."

So basically pirates will never suffer the "effects" (as in cause and...) of their actions. How about the "effects" as it relates to the innocents caught in the cross-fire?

Re:Cause and no-effect. (2, Insightful)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167831)

Not true, individual pirates often do suffer the effects. Its just that there are too many of them. Imagine us saying we want to wipe out jaywalking but with only enough enforcement to catch 1 out of every million or so...

I'm moving (5, Funny)

aegisalpha (58712) | more than 6 years ago | (#19166991)

"the pirates gleefully reminded the movie company that they didn't live in America, but rather in the land of vikings, reindeer, Aurora Borealis and cute blond girls."

I'm moving. Vikings, blonde girls, AND pirates? Irresistible!

Re:I'm moving (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167189)

They have Anus Borealis there? I'm going too!

lost money (1, Funny)

crAckZ (1098479) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167019)

so has anyone said how much money is lost by this. i know i would be pissed if i was a multimillionaire and i could not afford another ferrari or mansion for my collection. now they are going to have to rough it.

Re:lost money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167725)

grow some brain cells kid. Do you really think that the only people losing out to online piracy are multi millionaires? Heres a fucking newsflash, not every one who works on a holywood movie earns megabucks, your screwing over the set designers, the carpenters, the costume designers, the cameraman, the sound guys, the continuity people, everyone.
And since when did people give a fuck about whether pirated content comes from big companies or small mom n pop setups?Have you noticed how shareware, small indie games, songs by indie bands, and basically anything made by anyone is pirated equally, regardkess of how that will affect the content creator?
people like you, trying to justify taking other peoples hard work for free are nothing short of scumbag leeches whom I wouldnt turn my back on in real life.
Grow up and stop leeching of people who have the energy to actually create something people want.

chufter.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167155)

May I remind you all about chufter.com, the one and only uncensored video sharing site. absolutely no censorship on the grounds of pornography, racism, people dying. Youtube takes movies down all the time for mere copyright infringement.

RIAA doesn't care about rule of law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167171)

They certainly don't care about technicalities when serving my ISP with several DMCA takedown notices for my IP address, for downloading TV shows from piratebay.org.

The shows in question were over the air broadcast TV from major networks in the US. You know, the type that is normally protected under the timeshifting clause? You know, they type I never would have had to pay for in the first place, since local networks broadcast them over-the-air? And in addition they have no proof I shared any copies of any complete files ( I don't EVER seed complete files. Yes it sucks, but it is my ass I'm protecting.) So my IP on a tracker alone is enough for them to take action.

Worst part is the shows were horrible drivel downloaded by my girlfriend. Not even anything remotely entertaining. Actually that's not so bad as my ISP telling me that the RIAA has a very very low false positive rate on takedowns and that they have no reason to believe the RIAA is wrong on these ever. And up to that point I thought they were a very good indy ISP. My opinion of them dropped several notches on that comment alone.

Biased article, but what can you expect from Forbe (5, Informative)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167203)

For example:

The music-selling site AllofMP3.com uses a simpler business model: Base your company in Russia, steal music from American labels and sell it cheaply. AllofMP3 allows users to download full albums for as little as $1
The whole point of, and the reason the RIAA has not been able to shut it down, is that it is not stealing -- in any sense of the word. Firstly, the owner is not deprived of the work and secondly, AllofMP3 apparently operates within the legal framework of Russia -- in other words, it has a license to run its business model that way. The use of the word stealing is inflammatory.

Re:Biased article, but what can you expect from Fo (2, Interesting)

techstar25 (556988) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167433)

Because "stealing" is illegal in the US, the US govt could make laws to prevent credit card companies from processing transactions involving the purchase of these illegitimate MP3's (allofmp3.com). Didn't the US just pass laws to prevent such transactions for the offshore gambling websites?
However it's not actually stealing. It's copyright infringement. And unlike gambling, copyright infringement is not illegal.
That's why it's illegal for me to use my Mastercard to gamble online, but I'm free to use it to buy from AllOfMP3.com. There really is nothing the govt can do short of forcing ISPs to block the IP range of these "pirate" websites. Do we have a politician stupid enough to even attempt that legislation? Something tells me that in California, we do, and it's just a matter of time.

Re:Biased article, but what can you expect from Fo (1)

jrmann1999 (217632) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167509)

It's not stealing based on one assumption, that every single person that downloaded would not have purchased at the rate set by the copyright holder.

In the heyday of Napster my father downloaded every piece of music he could find. He is your Joe Blow six pack user, and in todays market he purchases legally via itunes. Given the choice he would always choose to download the free copy, but when that avenue is removed from him he purchases.

That is lost revenue in any sense of the word. Sure there will be comments made that it's not theft, which is a grey area of interpretation. If you could confidently say 100% of the people download would not have purchased anyways, you are correct. But if even 1 person would have purchased except for the option of download for free, they have lost revenue and it could be construed as theft.

Re:Biased article, but what can you expect from Fo (1)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167895)

But if even 1 person would have purchased except for the option of download for free, they have lost revenue and it could be construed as theft.
Using that logic, anytime I purchase something for a price cheaper than the absolute maximum price I'd be willing to pay, that's theft b/c the seller has "lost revenue". I hope you don't use coupons or buy one get one free b/c by your definition that's theft.

Re:Biased article, but what can you expect from Fo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167529)

The use of the word stealing is inflammatory.

I would love allofmp3.com to sue the RIAA & major US labels for that.

Re:Biased article, but what can you expect from Fo (2, Interesting)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167619)

The problem is Forbes is a business magazine (shill ?). To them everything not being bought at full price is stealing.

Allofmp3 operates under Russian laws and operates by the letter of the law. We should not be trying to influence the worlds by having them follow our laws.

The RIAA is pissed because it can't collect from the agency over there. It is not Allofmp3's problem it is the RIAA's problem. Deal with it like a normal company would , don't buy try and buy the people to fight your battle with my tax money ! Use your own damn money.

With today's global economy, we outsource all these tech jobs, why can't we outsource other things over the internet as well ? Or is this global economy only so business can make more money off the little guys.

Bunch of BS spewing lawyers will lead to the downfall of the USA. All hail King BUSH !!!

Re:Biased article, but what can you expect from Fo (0)

cliffski (65094) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167819)

Actually 99% of people on earth can cope quite easily with the concept that if something is created by someone, and they wish to sell it, and other people copy it for free or resell it without compensating the owner, then yup, that is theft. You can argue about definitions all you want, but it just makes you look like your trying to rationalise something that you know is wrong. If musicians create music you like you SHOULD be paying them (if they want paying). By paying musicians you incentivise them to keep at it, rather than selling the guitar and working in wal mart, which is apparently what slashdot posters would rather their fave artists had to do.*

*by the way, not all musicians are millionaires, so dont trot out any of that "madonna doesnt need any more cash* straw man bullshit.

Thank you! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167237)

Thank you Forbes! I didn't know about "sites like Alluc.org, VideoHybrid.com, Peekvid.com, TVlinks.co.uk and YouTVPC.com"!

How does Forbes get away with it? (5, Interesting)

HollowSky (680312) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167257)

Okay, TPB doesn't host any pirated content, it merely points to pirated content. The *AA contends that's still bad. Whatever.... But what about Forbes? They just told me about all these other sites I didn't know about. Forbes just provided me a directory to illegal content. Doesn't that open them up to lawsuits? Journalistic freedoms don't apply when aiding a "crime?"

Re:How does Forbes get away with it? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167363)

I have to admit that as I read the article was cool I need to check out some of these sites.

Foreigners all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19167407)

From TFA: "That rankles big media outfits like Sony"

So, the Japanese firm Sony doesn't like it that a Netherlands-based web site that has no US presence won't follow US law?

"Base your company in Russia, steal music from American labels and sell it cheaply."

So, the "American" labels (like Sony?) don't have the use of their music? After all, if it's stolen... I mean, somebody stole my car last year and I didn't have use of it until tye cops recovered it. Pirates are taking the master disks and all copies of the work?

"The Pirate Bay's copyright sabotage campaign"

This is a news article? REAL news outlets don't use inflamitory language like that anywhere but the editorial page - and then only when it's Ann Coulter doing the editorializing.

"'If the Swedish government presses charges, they'll lose. If they don't, the U.S. government will be mad at them,' Sunde says. 'They're in quite a pickle.'

So, he might have added, are the world's copyright holders."

And why would that be, when all the studies say that rather than hurting sales, this bolsters them? Will they be in a pickle because Indie musicians will have a fighting chance against Britney, and Star Wreck might beat out some Hollywood blockbuster?

TFA was written by your present overlords. I, for one, do NOT welcome them.

-mcgrew

Late to the party (1)

agentultra (1090039) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167637)

Wow.

It's not inevitable; it's already old news.

Time and again it's been proven that one can never "erase" anything or "ban" anything from the Internet. There's no way around that. When will the media and big companies start dealing with that? Another 20 years down the road maybe?

@#$% stock symbols (2, Insightful)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167729)

WTF is a bloody stock symbol doing in a /. summary?

But when Time Warner's (nyse: TWX -- news -- people ) Warner Bros. studio accused them...

It's annoying enough to trip over them when reading mainstream US news sites. Can we please keep them away from Slashdot? If I need the stock symbol for a company I either already know it because I'm an investor and it's my job to be elbow-deep in such arcana, or I can Google for it. If you really want to add it, use a bloody hyperlink instead of making the text unreadable with parenthesised shit.

There are places where RIAA shit does not pass (2, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167737)

as valid.

not only every country's representatives are presold suck-ups to big buck. surprise, surprise, RIAA member crooks, you might have bought laws in united states for harassing "the people", who are the reason united states was founded for, but, look, your walled does not leverage any weight in many other countries. oh you poor riaa crooks you.

Futile? Hardly... (0, Troll)

briancnorton (586947) | more than 6 years ago | (#19167851)

That's because the pirates think in absolute terms. They think that they are in a place that will not change it's laws (or the interpretation thereof) in response to international pressure. Firstly, let's not pretend that these are some sort of freedom fighters striking at an evil empire. They're crooks, stealing from people, and crooks don't get much sympathy. Second, don't think for a second that if their country needed something from the US, Europe, etc that they wouldn't crack down on Pirate Bay like a swat team.
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