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FCC Approves iPhone

CowboyNeal posted more than 7 years ago | from the hitting-the-airwaves dept.

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An anonymous reader alerted us that the iPhone is one step closer to hitting shelves. "The Federal Communications Commission approved Apple Inc.'s iPhone, clearing the way for the combined phone and music player to hit the shelves. Apple expects to begin selling the phones in late June. Some of the FCC documents confirm a few features of the phone, including it will have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and will operate in the 1900MHz and 850MHz frequency bands. The phone uses GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications) technology and the low-speed GPRS (General Packet Radio Service) wireless data standard."

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well-thats-not-very-exciting (5, Funny)

Roadmaster (96317) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173205)

No 900/1800 GSM. Slow GPRS. No user-installable applications. Lame.

At least it has wireless!

No WiMax, either! (1, Insightful)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173259)

Looks like there's a lot of room for competition (or upgrade models).

Re:No WiMax, either! (1)

philpalm (952191) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173797)

Shh!! It is there but it will be activated later at a price...Similar to another incident;)

Re:well-thats-not-very-exciting (5, Informative)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173267)

It does have 900/1800. The FCC didn't approve them because they aren't used in the US. It still got all the approval it needed to be sold.

Re:well-thats-not-very-exciting (1)

Divebus (860563) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173651)

I know a lot of people who frown about what the iPhone can and can't do... but then they say they're buying one anyway.

I'm waiting for version 2

Re:well-thats-not-very-exciting (4, Funny)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173931)

Will that be the jPhone or the iiPhone?

Re:well-thats-not-very-exciting (1)

MadUndergrad (950779) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174449)

It'll be the -Phone, duh.

Important Points (1)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173305)

I don't see why this is labeled flame bait as he pointed out important limitations. I used cingular/at&t and due to gprs i never even thought about using serious netapps through the cellphone due to low speed and high cost.

For my current sprint phone I cancelled net features because it was barely used on this type of phone but it's much cheaper and faster. EVDO type networks (Verizon, sprint, etc.) are far better then what AT&T are using. My greatest disappointment about the iphone was the carrier. Hip internet phone with the worst major carrier (digital broadband wise).

Re:Important Points (2, Funny)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173343)

I wish it was still modded flamebait. The very first statement was blatantly false and misleading and the last was "Lame". That looks like classic flamebait to me.

Re:Important Points (5, Informative)

qengho (54305) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173435)

The very first statement was blatantly false and misleading and the last was "Lame". That looks like classic flamebait to me.

Welcome to Slashdot, newbie. [slashdot.org]

Re:Important Points (-1, Troll)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173465)

Thank you, but I've been here for a little while. Maybe you accidentally replied to the wrong post? Your welcome is much more appropriate for the person I was replying to.

Re:Important Points (4, Funny)

qengho (54305) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173485)

Sorry. There was this whooshing sound that, um, destroyed my concentration. Yeah, that's it.

Re:Important Points (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173691)

You idiot, click the damn link he gave you. That's what the OP was referring to.

Re:Important Points (5, Interesting)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173775)

I read some of the comments in that old story and came across this gem [slashdot.org] :

Raise your hand if you have iTunes ...

Raise your hand if you have a FireWire port ...

Raise your hand if you have both ...

Raise your hand if you have $400 to spend on a cute Apple device ...

There is Apple's market. Pretty slim, eh? I don't see many sales in the future of iPod.

Very interesting considering what some are predicting for the iPhone.

EDGE is much faster than GPRS (5, Informative)

kherr (602366) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173373)

I've been using EDGE through T-Mobile and it's much faster than GPRS. Not sure how it compares to EVDO and I won't vouch for AT&T's network, but it's misleading to tag the iPhone with "slow GPRS" when it supports EDGE.

EVDO is much faster (4, Informative)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173771)

EDGE's theoretical maximum is 473 kbps [wikipedia.org] , while EVDO's is 2.4 Mbps [wikipedia.org] - five times as fast. Real world performance is more like 800-1200 kbps, which is still four times the real-world performance you can expect from EDGE.

Re:EVDO is much faster (2, Informative)

magictiger (952241) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173817)

Keep in mind that there are currently two tiers of EVDO in use. Base EVDO tends to run about 300-500kbps. EVDO Rev. A looks closer to what you claimed. For those of us unprivileged who are not covered by Sprint's Rev. A network, it's not such a huge jump from EDGE.

Re:EVDO is much faster (1)

digitalchinky (650880) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174381)

In what real world do you mean? I have the most recent offerings from Nokia (N95) and Sony Ericsson (K800/P990), none of these give the throughput the networks claim they provide. WiFi is slow on the N95/N80 and not worthy of the 802.11G label.

Re:EVDO is much faster (4, Informative)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174505)

I work with and test EVDO and EDGE data modems (same model, different carriers), and I can tell you definitely that EVDO, while faster, is NOT 4 times as fast. It's more like 20-30% faster in my experience.

Re:EDGE is much faster than GPRS (1)

nxtw (866177) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173819)

EDGE is a better (still slow) version of GPRS, compared to EV-DO and WCDMA/HSDPA. EV-DO and WCDMA/HSDPA are much faster than EDGE. AT&T has deployed HSDPA in many markets and Sprint and Verizon have deployed EV-DO in most markets..

Basically, the iPhone (coming out in mid 2007) uses slow network technology. The replacement (HSDPA) was available in most major (top 10-20) markets with the notable exception of Los Angeles..... at the end of 2006. Now, HSDPA is available in some parts of 2/3 of the states, obviously the most populated areas first.... not to mention all over Europe & parts of east/southeast Asia.

WCDMA doesn't just mean faster data; it also means better voice quality (through the use of higher-bandwidth codecs)

Re:Important Points (1)

alisson (1040324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173671)

It depends on your region. I live in the Minneapolis area, and AT&T is easily the best provider here, for anything. The others have shoddy service.

Re:Important Points (3, Informative)

nxtw (866177) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173705)

AT&T is now using HSDPA, which is significantly faster than 1xRTT, EDGE, GPRS, etc. and on par with EV-DO. Much of the network supports it, with a great number of deployments in the past few years. Also, compared to Sprint, AT&T has more 3G coverage in my market (out of the 4 3G networks here, Sprint, Alltel and Verizon EV-DO and Cingular HSDPA, only Verizon and Cingular bother to cover outlying areas).

The worst major carrier (digital broadband wise) is T-Mobile.

Re:well-thats-not-very-exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173337)

No UMTS or WiFi (802.11n). Apple doesn't even try to compete with openMoko and the like.

Re:well-thats-not-very-exciting (1)

datapharmer (1099455) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173479)

Out of chairs Mr.B?

Re:well-thats-not-very-exciting (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173789)

And the battery is not user replacable. Over the past 12 years or so that I've been using mobile phones, I have replaced the batteries in each handset I've owned, to extend the life of the phones (3 Nokia's).

I'm not going to spend megabucks on a phone which WILL die between 18 and 24 months.

Re:well-thats-not-very-exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19174347)

Next time, on Slashdot:

Holy crap...Apple has finalized the design for the packaging that the iPhone will come in... OMG aaughhalll *spooge*

Re:well-thats-not-very-exciting (1)

dwater (72834) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174519)

> No user-installable applications.

From what I've read, this is far from certain.

I suspect they'll go for a similar model as S60 - that is, anyone can write s/w, but it has to be approved before they'll let it be installable. This service is called Symbian Signed on S60 and it's (somewhat) mandatory on S60 3rd.

Apple will still need lots of luck (0, Redundant)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173207)

Cute phone, 2.5G speed, no CDMA, AT&T as a captive carrier (and let's see how much music downloads will cost-- and the GPRS airtime unless WiFi is used). They enter a mature market (not the nearly virgin MP3 player market) with lots of solid competition from Korea, Inc, Scandinavia, Inc., and Motorola. It'll be very interesting to see if the Apple cache' can give it market share in a truly hot market.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (5, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173317)

Another techie making the mistake that the checklist of features is all there is to a product.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (2, Insightful)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173425)

Hmmmmm. What part of 'Apple cache'' didn't you read? Sure, distribution is nice. Marketing plans are nice. But it's not the same as slogging MP3 players and MacBook Pros. I doubt Xserve's do very well, despite their margins and accessorizing. Are they making money on media? Perhaps a little. Hardware margins are tight, and they're asking a fat wad of cash for a phone, even with the checklist. I wish them luck, but they'll be bruises.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (5, Insightful)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173503)

What part of 'Apple cache'' didn't you read?

I read it and I also think you're wrong. Not everybody buys Apple products for their "cache" [sic]. Some of us buy them because they WORK BETTER, and that does not mean "has the most checkbox features".

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174003)

That belief that Apple "WORKS BETTER" is the "Apple cachet." You'd have to be deluded to believe Apple is everyone's favorite in this regard. Sure, there are vocal fans, but Paris Hilton has vocal fans, too.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (4, Funny)

Onan (25162) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174545)

What part of 'Apple cache'' didn't you read?
The t.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19174541)

You're absolutely right. This is an Apple product, so you've got to account for Wank.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173535)

Outside of the usual Mac fans slobbering over anything Jobs demos on stage, I don't think I've ever seen an Apple product get the ridicule the iPhone has gotten. I've seen Apple products get ignored, get flamed for having bugs or defects, or the target of light amusement going all the way back to the Newton handwriting recognition.

The iPhone is the first Apple product that I've seen outright mockery from the general press and public.

The day I picked up my first iPod I immediately got what was so good about the design and bought one.

The day I saw the iPhone my reactions was, huh, yes I guess that is what a phone designed by Apple would look like.

There are fantastic cells out there and more coming out all the time. The iPhone does absolutely nothing other than make a disproportionately larger dent in my wallet for its features compared to other phones.

I'll pass.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173573)

The iPhone reminds me of when a celebrity comes out with some random product with their name on it. And you are left wondering why the hell would I want to buy this product just because you slapped your name on it.

As far as I can tell the only reason you would buy this phone is it's made by Apple and not for any rational reason.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19174485)

you've got Tommy Hilfiger, Ralph Lauren, Martha Stewart and various celebrities slapping their names on everything and still manage to get consumers to buy it. all Apple wants is a tiny (i think Jobs said 1%) piece of the mobile phone pie. I think the iPhone will succeed just based on the same marketing strategy as other consumer products.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (1, Interesting)

Mistlefoot (636417) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173665)

Apple are now selling DRM free tunes. You ask how much music downloads may cost, and although I don't know the answer, I'm not sure how they'd justify DRM'ing music on the iPhone while telling us music should be DRM free for the iPod.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173785)

Correction: Apple is now planning to sell DRM-free tunes. As far as I can tell, they aren't doing it yet, and they were unable to answer my question about how much it'd cost to upgrade an album purchased today to DRM-free format when it becomes available.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (1)

ratsnapple tea (686697) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173737)

You have wireless. You have more space than a Nomad. And you still don't "get it"?

Lame.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174235)

"get it"?

What part of slow downloads, captive carrier, snooze yawn feature set, and undecided blood-letting music distribution costs don't you get?

I use a PowerBook. It work. I have a fleet of cell/mobiles, of which many without question are far ahead of Apple's feature list. Beyond device competition there is the signing up with AT&T, that friendly, highly-rated-consumer-love organization that was variously PacBell, AmeriTech, SBC, and so on. Yummy.

Those that ignore history are doomed to be revisited by it.

Re:Apple will still need lots of luck (1)

The One and Only (691315) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174647)

undecided blood-letting music distribution costs

Or you could, you know, hook it up to your computer with the built-in iPhone-to-USB cord and sync it to your iTunes, which already has all your music already?

Do any of those things matter? (2, Interesting)

Mahjub Sa'aden (1100387) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174445)

At the end of the day, do you think people will care about any of those things? I mean the people who actually buy these kinds of phones?

Personally I think it'll come down to style and price. They'll win on style, but the price will stop your average joe from picking one up. But who knows, maybe that's what Apple wants.

Their computer division has been competing on style for a long time now. They make a profit on each box they sell. I imagine they want the same thing with the phone, because maybe, just maybe, Apple doesn't consider a checklist of features or complete domination of every market "winning".

Unlike a certain other company that shall remain nameless.

Radio Schematic (5, Interesting)

grumling (94709) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173209)

Apple asked that other documents such as diagrams, a schematic of the radio, the radio bill of materials and operational descriptions remain private indefinitely. The FCC agreed to the requests.

Anyone else miss the old days when every radio came with a schematic? They were usually under the battery cover or in the manuals. It really helped spark an interest in electronics, at least for me.

Re:Radio Schematic (5, Insightful)

Doppler00 (534739) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173319)

Well.... if they were to do that the schematics would be grossly complex now days. You'd have a circuit schematic with 100's of pins per chip.... would be very impractical and useless to all but a dozen people. Besides, the schematic doesn't really say how it works, since all the circuitry is integrated into proprietary IC's. THOSE are the schematics Apple and other manufacturers keep to themselves.

Re:Radio Schematic (1)

grumling (94709) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173539)

Yea, I know, but at least if it were available somewhere...

The main reason the FCC doesn't require the print to be on the radio anymore is because most of them were impossible to read anyway.

Re:Radio Schematic (1)

ls -la (937805) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173635)

The main reason the FCC doesn't require the print to be on the radio anymore is because most of them were impossible to read anyway.
I'd guess it has more to do with companies with deep pockets wanting to keep their circuits secret.

Re:Radio Schematic (4, Interesting)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174267)

The main reason the FCC doesn't require the print to be on the radio anymore is because most of them were impossible to read anyway.

I'd guess it has more to do with companies with deep pockets wanting to keep their circuits secret.


Actually, I haven't come across ANY recent FCC filings where the schematics are public these days.

Take a trolling of the FCC filings of anything these days, and the "summary" view lists schematics, internal theory of operation, etc, but it says they aren't public. The "detail" view (which lets you grab the filed documents) doesn't even list those. All you can get are the test report, test setup, manual, photos, internal photos, and maybe a couple of letters. Try it on your wifi card, or your cellphone, or your wireless mouse. It's a rare product where the schematic is actually available for free download from the FCC site.

Re:Radio Schematic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173355)

Not only that, but the Apple II used to come with a full motherboard schematic and monitor ROM listing in the manual.

Re:Radio Schematic (2)

antibryce (124264) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173563)

Synthesizers used to come with schematics too. They stopped when it became largely a collection of custom digital chips. I would imagine it's a similar problem with radios and cell phones. The schematic was there so you (or someone) could service it. But with it all being custom stuff there's not much anyone can do.

synthesizers? nope (1)

Steve Cowan (525271) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174279)

Maybe modular synthesizers from the 60's included schematics. No synth I have ever purchased (or perused the documentation of), dating back to 1978 - long before digital anything in synths - has included a schematic.

Re:Radio Schematic (1, Insightful)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173627)

Anyone else miss the old days when every radio came with a schematic? They were usually under the battery cover or in the manuals.

Well, if the iPhone is anything like the iPod, it may well have a schematic under the battery, but you'd never know.

Re:Radio Schematic (1)

snero3 (610114) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173773)

I agree with you.

But you have to admit that the schematic for the iphone is going to be a lot more complicated that a transistor radio. There for not able to fit on the back battery cover. It would probably need its own book

Re:Radio Schematic (2)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173831)

My fender amp came with a schematic (on a seperate piece of paper no less) about 6 years ago.

Was kind if interesting but simple and my guess would be that circuits these days are either going to be too simple to bother or too complex (and proprietary)

They forgot to add: (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173223)

True Wireless. Less space than a Zune. Lame.

20 minutes later... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173229)

"Just kidding!"

(stock value drops)

Re:20 minutes later... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173639)

Funny!

too bad (3, Informative)

Neuropol (665537) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173247)

Vermont doesn't get to play with the new toys like the rest of the kids. Unicel has a firm grasp (sp/grasp/stranglehold) on the GSM network up here. As of current, and for what ever reason, they will also not be selling the iPhone. One would say go with Cingular or T-Mobile or which ever carrier applies, but one can't do that without penalty as well for not being on home network. If 50% of your calls, or more, are in non-network coverage areas for Cingular, you get the 'sorry-we've-dropped-you-as-valued-customer' letter.

Re:too bad (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173283)

I feel sorry for all 12 residents of Vermont.

Re:too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19174391)

I know somebody in Vermont and can confirm that there are actually more than 12.

Re:too bad (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173731)

Vermont doesn't get to play with the new toys like the rest of the kids.

Just enjoy the fresh air, the cheese, and the maple syrup. I'd take those things over an iphone.

no better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173261)

wow, no better than my aging Motorola E680i. (it has everything iphone will have except slightly larger screen and itunes instead of crappy Real Player)

Dev Kit? (1)

TheBearBear (1103771) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173279)

Will we be able to write our own apps for the iphone? Would be great to use it for VOIP! And many many other things!

Re:Dev Kit? (2, Insightful)

Doppler00 (534739) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173391)

Windows Mobile already lets you do this. Has GPRS/802.11, and a skype client available is available. I don't understand why people get excited about the iPhone as a geek toy, when really it's being marketed to the same folks that buy the stripped down Razor and iPods. Just as much innovation is happening at HTC and Nokia with phones as with Apple, but I never understood why the main stream news media has such an obsession with Apple.

Re:Dev Kit? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173545)

You just don't get it.

Apple can package bullshit tomorrow and market it as premium fertilizer and their fans will buy it up.

Re:Dev Kit? (1)

EmotionToilet (1083453) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174313)

Apple does quality in a way that most other companies don't.

EDGE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173295)

Bring the 3G or go home

Re:EDGE? (0, Flamebait)

PenguSven (988769) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173427)

why would they release it in the USA when there is FUCK ALL 3G coverage? the international version will no doubt have 3G, as they aren't ass-backwards like the USA.

Re:EDGE? (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173803)

Actually, there's coast-to-coast 3G coverage in the USA. We just don't put a "W" in our "CDMA".

Re:EDGE? (1)

Guy Harris (3803) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174237)

We just don't put a "W" in our "CDMA".

We put "2000" after it, instead? :-)

Re:EDGE? (1)

nxtw (866177) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173953)

There's a lot more 3G than you think... Sprint and Verizon have 3G in nearly every major market they cover. Cingular is getting there. They all cover the majority of their top markets.

I don't know about Sprint or Verizon in general, but from what I understand Cingular has been starting with the core areas of a market then pushing out to suburbs/rural areas. Since fall 2006, Cingular has gone from covering the two big cities in my area, to the more distant mid sized cities (75-150k), to the small cities/towns (25-50k). They haven't bypassed suburbs or restricted coverage to city limtis + connecting highways.

When I first got the service in Nov 06, the coverage maps were inaccurate and were missing an entire county of 3G coverage. Since the beginning of the year, it seems like 3G coverage has been pushed out about 10 mi. in parts from its previous boundaries...

Re: AT&T just invested tons of money into 3G i (1)

Douglas Goodall (992917) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173715)

I just don't get it. In the last year or so, Cingular/AT&T have made a huge effort to roll out the 3G service all over America. It is even in my small town recently. I would have considered it a coup by Cingular/AT&T to get the iPhone with 3G support because it would have arrived just as they finally had the 3G infrastructure to support decent connection speed.

I tried the Cingular EDGE service a few months ago, and it was awful. All web access was routed through a proxy server somewhere that degraded image quality to accelerate download speeds. It was minimully better than dialup and I cancelled the service two days after signing up. With 3G service it would have been better IMHO.

The iPhone has some cool features, but with crippled wireless hardware it is going to be an uphill battle trying to compete with any other smart phone that Cingular may sell that has 3G support and can leverage off AT&T's recent investments. This campaign looks like a trainwreck leaving the station.

Re: AT&T just invested tons of money into 3G i (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173979)

3g will be out for the New Year. I used to sell Cingular and we where told july\august area for 1st gen to make back to school. Then the 3g for the New Year. Was told not to say anything about 3g and sell current version then sell 3g to the same people who wanted the new version when it came out..

What if... (1)

AaxelB (1034884) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173339)

I almost wish it had just been unequivocally rejected (as impossible as that is), because that would have been just about hi-larious.

After all the hype... "Um, never mind about that iPhone. We'll get another iNoun out in a year or two!"

It doesn't use GRPS... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173353)

...that was lame FUD that PC World posted that was debunked quite readily...please edit the article summary so I don't have to read 200 comments bashing them for using GRPS instead of EDGE.

FINALLY. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173365)

I can set it to vibrate and ass fuck myself while dreaming it's Steve Job's cock with an aqua rubber on it.

Re:FINALLY. (0, Redundant)

Morky (577776) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174195)

He doesn't need a rubber. His cock is made of solid brushed aluminum.

Bah (1)

Jordan (jman) (212384) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173369)

Come on, I doubt this is going to be as big as people think. Certainly not big enough to be trolling through FCC filings for the tiniest bit of spec info to feed people's Apple lust. I have a feeling this phone will go the way of the Newton. Over-priced and before its time...

Where is the slow-newsday tag?

WTF (1)

jdc180 (125863) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173481)

So this is coming out with cingular right? Where's EDGE or 3G? Congratulations Apple, you've released a phone that would have been competitve in 2003.

Re:WTF (1)

Nexx (75873) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174321)

It does come with EDGE [apple.com] .

Low tech phone (0)

jonfr (888673) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173513)

In my opinion the apple iphone is low tech. If I can use the U.S type as anything to work with. It only works on 850/1900 bands, only has GPRS, bluetooth and wireless. New SonyEricsson/Nokia/"Insert your brand here" phones are UMTS+GSM/850/900/1800/1900 GPRS/EDGE, they also have bluetooth, Wireless and are able to play music.

If apple plans to make a stand in the GSM/UMTS market, it has to do better.

Re:Low tech phone (2, Informative)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173589)

It only works on 850/1900 in the US because that is all that is used. It also supports 900/1800 according to Apple.

Re:Low tech phone (1)

jonfr (888673) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173667)

My soon to be one year old SonyEricsson phone supports GPRS/EDGE and GSM 850/900/1800/1900 (but not 3G, it was a cheap phone), it also has bluetooth, but not wireless, it also can play music and supports memory card. So if the Euro version of the iPhone supports only 900/1800 and only has GPRS and no EDGE. Just bluetooth and Wireless as a extra. Then the iPhone is still at least one year behind the newest models on the GSM market.

Re:Low tech phone (1)

Guy Harris (3803) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174071)

So if the Euro version of the iPhone supports only 900/1800 and only has GPRS and no EDGE

The current iPhone tech specs page [apple.com] says:

  • Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900)
  • Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0

so it appears that the version sold in Europe could do GPRS/EDGE and GSM 850/900/1800/1900. Whether it will is another matter. (I don't know what would happen if you take a US iPhone to Europe - I don't know what the regulatory issues are if you take a phone from country X to country Y; what happens if the phone has been approved in country X but not country Y? And, if the iPhone is approved in the EU countries, will an iPhone bought in the US be OK to use in EU countries, and will an iPhone bought in an EU country be OK to use in the US?)

Re:Low tech phone (5, Interesting)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173695)

In my opinion, I highly beg to differ (this post is long, so please bare with me if you want).

Apple.com has this introductory product description:

iPhone combines three amazing products -- a revolutionary mobile phone, a widescreen iPod with touch controls, and a breakthrough Internet communications device with desktop-class email, web browsing, maps, and searching -- into one small and lightweight handheld device.

Let's look into this for a moment. Keep in mind that Apple is most likely targeting or at least attempting to re-acquire most of the audience that also bought their iPod products:

A revolutionary mobile phone

For us "geeks," this phone is probably nothing but the ordinary. We have already seen devices that surpass their "revolutionary" claims, at least specification wise. But it has no physical keypad. This is important. How usable is this "screen keypad" (something that has been tried, and has failed, before) and how well will the public receive it? I honestly expect that this technology is indeed "revolutionary," since their staple claims are normally their strongest and perform undoubtedly better than their competitors.

A widescreen iPod with touch controls

So Apple could market this as a quasi-evolutionary, no -revolutionary, upgrade to their current iPod line and possibly garner their old audience. Or they could entice the many who have been wishing for a touch-screen iPod with widescreen (the Zune finally dies here) with this product and let them have a phone on the side. Speaking as a "geek," I know I've seen oodles of phones with music players and MP3 capability, but it would be a lie for me to say that the majority of them are worth replacing an iPod or similar (for reference, check the RAZR with iTunes line and see what I mean...)

and a breakthrough Internet communications device with desktop-class email, web browsing, maps, and searching

Many people here have already bashed this phone for its somewhat antiquated connections to the Internet. But how many people in the United States use the full power of mobile internet on their phone? I know few who do more than purchase ringtones and other commodities for their device (if even that), and maybe do a quick search for something of the moment, like movie times (which are carrier-catered in most cases). The iPhone integrates this experience straight into the UI so a normal person doesn't even have to really open a browser to do the simple things. Want to search for a location? Just "tap" the search button. Need to find movie times? Can probably be configured there too. I wouldn't even be surprised if there is are OS-wide search functions built-in, which is something that few, if any, independent phone carriers have been able to accomplish (at least not with smartphones, which are still in their infancy).

Its obvious that the iPhone is up against lots of veterans in the field. But Apple is the MASTER of usability, which is what makes the bulk of the phone experience. This phone should and deserves to do very well.

Re:Low tech phone (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173847)

shut the fuck up

Re:Low tech phone (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173853)

Speaking as a "geek," I know I've seen oodles of phones with music players and MP3 capability, but it would be a lie for me to say that the majority of them are worth replacing an iPod or similar (for reference, check the RAZR with iTunes line and see what I mean...)
Er.. the capacity of the iPhone is what, 4 gigs? Maybe 8 if you splurge? I have twice that much on my iPod, and my music collection is nothing compared to what my friends have. That wide screen is an invitation to fill it up with video, but with the iPhone's limited capacity, you can only hold enough video for one or two plane trips.

My phone might not be a very good music player, but at least it has an SD slot so I can expand it!

Re:Low tech phone (1)

greenguy (162630) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174441)

(this post is long, so please bare with me if you want).

I most certainly not "bare" with you. This is Slashdot.

It does have EDGE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19173599)

To clarify, it does have EDGE.

I believe the 'slow GPRS' in the original post refers to GPRS/eGPRS with respect to 3G etc

Next up the iHouse... (1)

uctechdude (921990) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173707)

it even has the iSink which combines the features of the kitchen sink and bathroom sink...

FCC Approval (1)

Potato Battery (872080) | more than 7 years ago | (#19173893)

I wonder who they got to sell the RF modulator.

Re:FCC Approval (1)

ZorinLynx (31751) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174251)

Is M&R still in business? :)

another prediction (5, Interesting)

iroll (717924) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174191)

Want to know what the killer app on the iPhone will be?

myspace.com

I'm a teacher, and I can tell you that at least 10% of my students have Sidekicks (or knockoffs), and that is all they do with them.

All.

Day.

Long.

This will be the next status item for teenagers and "trying-to-be-hip" parents everywhere. These are the people who buy a $500 purse and take it to the grocery store, or who buy $150 shoes and walk around with the tags still on. This phone costs no more than 3 pairs of pants for them. I already hear them talking about how much they hate their Sidekicks and how much they think the iPhone will rock. It's on their birthday lists. I have no doubt that Apple will be laughing all the way to the bank on this one, big time.

I'm not saying it has to happen, I'm just saying that I saw it happen with iPods and Sidekicks, and this has got all of the same symptoms.

Re:another prediction (1)

aphor (99965) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174345)

I'm a Gen X techie, but unlike the other wee nee poseurs on Slashdot, I get a bigger picture. I paid ~300 for a BlackBerry because I wanted a *smart* device that could say take a standard meeting invitation from my email and add that to my standard PIM calendar so I could get a standard alarm when the time draws near.

What a disappointment. It is a mediocre phone. It is a dismal web browser. Spam: right to my hip. It doesn't sync my addressbook over bluetooth because RIM crippled the device (no OBEX or BT Sync profile).

You know that flash-mob commercial where (grad school and college aged) kids with sidekicks hit each other with silly-string on a mall escalator? That's some serious organizational power, but mine goes to eleven.

Re:another prediction (1)

zten (576209) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174397)

You can currently pay a fee to subscribe to MySpace services with Cingular/AT&T. It doesn't interest me, but it seems to be aimed squarely at your students.

Again /. readers miss the point. (5, Insightful)

Steve Cowan (525271) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174399)

People don't care whether their phone has GPRS or EDGE or EVDO or 3G. The points nobody's mentioning here that will make the phone take off are:

Decent resolution camera for a a phone.
Sexy touchscreen with multi-touch! This is new to any consumer device, not just phones.
Visual voicemail. A first for any phone.
Display changes orientation when you turn the device. Again: HAWT.
The promise of web browsing in your hand that sctually renders real web pages correctly.
Built-in iPod functionality that syncs with iTunes, and lists of songs/movies you can "flip" through.

It's not how much memory it has or how fast it communicates, it is the "unquantifiable" that sells things like phones.

Re:Again /. readers miss the point. (5, Insightful)

dn15 (735502) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174597)

The promise of web browsing in your hand that sctually renders real web pages correctly.
This is a huge feature to me. Not that I'm really going to drop all that cash on one. But its ability to zoom in and out from full page view to readable text makes it possible to use a "real" browser on a mobile device without limiting one's self to mobile-friendly sites.

Re:Again /. readers miss the point. (1)

dwater (72834) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174653)

IMO, most of your points are valid, though probably arguably. I'd especially question that the touchscreen has yet to prove itself viable since I and many others prefer keys especially when using single handedly on the move.

However, IMO, this one isn't valid :

> The promise of web browsing in your hand that sctually renders real web pages correctly.

While it does promise what you say, S60 has had this [s60.com] for a while. It even uses the same engine as Apple's Safari, IINM. It's compatible on most(?) of it's 3rd edition phones. I downloaded it from Nokia's Europe web site and installed it on my 3250 - works like a dream and much better than the shipped WAP browser (which is probably similar to the ones you're complaining about).

modt 3own (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19174455)

Wow, I thought it was going to be bad... (0, Troll)

kagenooni (1038676) | more than 7 years ago | (#19174523)

But not this bad. No EDGE or UMTS support? Only low end phones that are coming out for Cingular/AT&T have no EDGE/UMTS support. The way I look at this phone is a glorified HTC 8525, sans slide out keyboard. But even then, the 8525 atleast uses the faster EDGE connection.
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