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Geeks vs. Nerds

Hemos posted more than 14 years ago | from the dissecting-the-words dept.

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alanh writes "Last week, the News and Observer from the RTP area of NC had this article about the modern usage of the words "Geek" and "Nerd." " Typical piece about the ascendancy of "geeks" and "nerds". However, an interesting question: How do you view the difference between the two words? Or do they mean the same thing?

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I don't know.... (0)

Stalemate (105992) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511021)

Both terms always seemed negative when I was growing up. I don't like either one much. Did I get first post? PEACE

Real Geeks post first!!!!! (4)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511022)

Nerds post second & think they're first...

Geeks and Nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511023)

Geeks are circus freaks who bite the heads off chickens. Nerds are those losers from that string of bad 80's movies.

If you aspire to be either, you're an idiot.

As Far as I am concerned.. (1)

Egorn (82375) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511024)

Geeks and Nerds both are rapidly becoming "envogue" I mean look at Slashdot.org News for nerds with hundred thousands of people visiting every day practically accepting that they are Nerds? And aren't Nerds the negitive definition?

In movies the geeks and nerds always become the heros.. It started with the "Revenge of the Nerds" but even recently look at "Sleepy Hollow" wasn't Ichabod Crane some sort of Nerd...

Hell I am proud to be NERD.. And I am going to stop rambling.

Re:Geeks and Nerds (3)

BobW (118193) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511025)

"You can't have a geek without a "EE" (Electrical Engineering degree)

I prefer geek over nerd (1)

mmerlin (20312) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511026)

Geek is techo-chic, nerd is a word I prefer not to be heard :-)

It's all about nerds. (1)

bmetz (523) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511027)

Geeks are those kids who sorta know computer stuff generally, but won't ever get anywhere with it. They enjoy reading freshmeat solely to bring up the newest release of bind in their conversations with other geeks.

The nerd, on the other hand, is less prone to conversing about the various what-came-out-todays. The interest is more professional, more focused on a purpose than a vague interest in the field. These are the guys who WRITE the software the geeks bring up in their little geek conversations.

Etymology of "nerd"and "geek" (2)

TurkishGeek (61318) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511028)

IEEE Spectrum has a very nice section about interesting words that show up in the electrical engineering discipline. I remember reading an article discussing the etymology of the word "nerd" in a past issue, perhaps a couple of years ago. It suggested that the word probably originated at MIT and was a derivative of "knurd". Some people thought that the word was first coined as "knurd" since it was the reverse of "drunk", hence somebody who does not drink and party. I don't remember the details, but it was very entertaining and informative.

Any ideas/knowledge about the origins of these two words "geek" and "nerd"??
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Power in Language (4)

FFFish (7567) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511029)

There's power in co-opting a negatively-tainted word and turning it into a positive word. Queer and Nigger are both words that are, in the appropriate peer group, used as power words.

Unfortunately, I can't think of other examples. If you can, contribute some; it'll be interesting and maybe enlightening.

My own resume uses "Professional Geek" as one heading. I take pride in the knowledge I have. I think all geeks should.

First thing we need is a slogan as powerful and funny as the "We're queer, we're here and we're going shopping!" one...

"We're geeks, we're..." ??

I prefer drunk (1)

KBrown (7190) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511030)

If nerd means drunk I prefer that, specially on weekends...

Only a dork would ask a question like that (3)

ralos (118212) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511031)

Or a dweeb...

Geek vs. Nerd. (5)

Matt2000 (29624) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511032)

The most important differences are as follows:

Geek: Thinks Milli Vanilli were pretty cool, scandal or not.
Nerd: Did the spectral analysis on their voices to determine lip-synching well before the press announcement.

Geek: Has 3 friends and trouble meeting new people.
Nerd: Has 3 friends, but recyles through the use of role playing games and secret code names, bringing the total to 27.

Geek: Will be at home come the new millenium.
Nerd: Did the math to figure out the new millenium starts 2001, will be at home for both.


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Re:Power in Language (1)

daemonchild (101472) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511033)

IMHO the two words can be either an insult or a compliment...it all depends on the context they're used, the tone in which said, etc.

A compliment said in a derisive tone becomes an insult.

someone had a sig that explained it all (1)

OnlyNou (90455) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511034)

i think the sig said something like nerds are people who play with technology but geeks enjoy it. makes sense to me.

Versus. (1)

Sludge (1234) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511035)

I've wondered this myself, and the conclusion I've come to is that a geek utilizes his skills in the real world; whether that be a trade, or the running of a Charity [gnu.org] .

A nerd is someone who has yet to apply it to the real world. This is an acceptable status, especially if you're still in school.

Or maybe I'm mistaking overanalysis with an imagination for reading into things... I think that's it. (No, I don't care that I just rendered my entire message senseless.)

This has been on /. before.. (1)

wmono (82952) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511036)

Hmm, this must be a popular topic. This has come up before, but not quite in the same format. In these quickies [slashdot.org] there's a point-form chart [tripod.com] discussing the differences between nerds, geeks, and twits.

Simple difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511037)

Geeks are more refined.

Re:Only a dork would ask a question like that (1)

Spectra72 (13146) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511038)

I was thinking more along the lines of 'spaz'...

Re:Power in Language (1)

Vacuum (106320) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511039)

It also depends on the source, if it's from a fellow geek/nerd then it's like saying..."hey, what's up buddy?"



Pecking Order (4)

FFFish (7567) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511040)

Strange. I've always placed "geek" as being better than "nerd"...

In my interpretation:

Geeks have broad general knowledge... just enough to be dangerous in almost anything, and enough to actually be quite competent in many areas.

Nerds have deep, specific knowledge... enough to do anything that can be done in their specialty, and not particularly capable of applying that knowledge in other fields.

Geeks obsess over everything techie.

Nerds obsess over one thing to the exclusion of everything else.

You can be a photography geek, an audio geek, a computer geek, a bike geek. A geek that's geeky about one thing is probably geeky about half a dozen completely unrelated other things.

You can be a photography nerd, but it's probably more at the print development stage than the picking a lense stage. You can be an audio nerd, but it's probably more at the building the amp than creating the best sound environment level. You can be a computer nerd, but it's probably more at the writing a one-off specialized integrated database level than the system tweaking level.

Is your interpretation different? Howso?

Re:Power in Language (1)

Vacuum (106320) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511041)

It also depends on the source, if it's from a fellow geek/nerd then it's like saying..."hey, what's up buddy?"







finger spasms suck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511042)

I hate it when I click too many times

The difference between Geeks and Nerds (1)

sCadet (72759) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511043)

Some of my fellow students and I have decided that a Nerd is someone into computers ie. Programmers, Hackers. A Geek on the other hand is anyone who is social challenged in any way. Given this if you are a Nerd you can't be a Geek. The only reason for this definition is that the word Nerd seems to be a buzzword for ppl who are making it big in the computer world now. And afterall those of us who made this definition are CS majors :P Well I figured I would put in my two cents just because I didn't have anything better to do.

Re:Geeks and Nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511044)

And you can't have cute little cliche's like your's without serious mental retardation.

Definition of nerd (2)

mouseman (54425) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511045)

A nerd is someone who is fascinated by everything except how to dress.

What about me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511046)

What about that Nerd who can outdrink an Irishman? That nerd who likes to get in bar fights? That nerd who actually takes time to leave his cave and mate with women?

I shall be known as "RiotNRRD!"

Potato - Patato Tomato Tomato (3)

NateTG (93930) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511047)

Let's call the whole thing off.

Honestly, what's in a name. Weather a moniker intimates respect or contempt has little to do with the word, and more to do with the associated stereotype. For example if you called someone discriminating today, it would probably be a negative comment. Fifty years ago it would have been a compliment. The deal is that people who are part of that steroetype are suddenly suceeding in buisness, and clearly are controling the means of communication for the next years.
Like in the whole Littletown media debacle, or many others, terms like Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Cracker, Phreaker, or Goth are used by people who don't have any idea of what they are describing. Perhaps the issue here is that noone can agree on what a nerd is or weather nerd or geek is preferable is up in the air.
To put this in perspective, I'm a foreigner in the us, and in my few years here I've observed the transition from handicapped to disabled as a "euphemism" for people with physical difficulties. Now, I suppose they were originally referred to as Cripples which is now considerd a relatively ugly word, but cripple and cripple are still acceptable.
What is true however, is that the term is considered a perjorative by those who are distant from the issues, the ones that don't know who or what is going on. I don't think that Nigger originally referred to black er african american persons, but something along the lines of greedy, selfish, lazy, self-serving persons.
The terms nerd and geek are used by the same sort of people who associated the littletown incident with goths, but instead of people who wear black, they usually refer to people who are intelectually inclined, and may have poor grooming habits.
A geek, at least last time I thought about these things is a freaky person, someone who might bite heads off chickens, someone who sticks out of social situations in a big way. The term geek has been applied to people who aren't interested in computers, or smart enought o piss a whole in the snow if someone else helps them aim. Nerds on the other hand are people who are poorly groomed, socially simpleminded, and academically inclined.
I suppose that all has changed a whole lot in the last five years. Any sort of choice that you make isn;t going to affect the people around you a whole lot, since they have either made a distinction themselves already, or have no idea what the difference is.

"nerd" == "geek" (1)

SecretAsianMan (45389) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511048)

IMHO, they are now virtually synonymous. Perhaps one of the skills separating true geeks and nerds from the lesser-blessed members of society is the ability to use the right synonym at the right time.

I, for one, am extremely thankful that I live in a time when I can be proud of who I am. The geeks have certainly inherited the Earth.

Re:Real Geeks post first!!!!! (1)

Qarl (60245) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511049)

You nerd.

Geeks vs. Nerds (1)

Damn Yankee (61954) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511050)

A geek is someone who works with computers.

A nerd is someone who enjoys it.

Geek vs. Nerd (3)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511051)

A geek is someone that not only knows the theory and facts of a subject, but can USE them effectively to do something that has meaning in the real world.

Geek is a term I call someone I respect in a given field. Nerd is generally a term for someone who is smart, but lacks that needed clue. Nerds are smart but annoying to geeks, but can be turned into geeks with enough self-improvement.

Trivia buffs are nerds, Edison and Einstein were geeks.

A college degree seems to have the highest chances of turning a nerd into a geek. This is especially true of those who live away from home and on campus, where socialization with people in other fields can take place - something nerds lack.

I was called both (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511052)

When I was in grade school, the other kids used both words to describe me. They were looking for ways to classify everything, and according to the bizarre taxonomy of junior-high, I was a nerd.

Maybe it was because I used to stop by my algebra teacher's office every morning to talk about Ham Radio. Maybe it was because I used to sit beneath the play structures with a magnet looking for magnetic iron ore. Maybe it was because they called my best friend by the name of a chemical he used in the chemistry experiment he did for talent show.

To tell you the truth, I was happy to be different. That I was a "nerd" or "geek" was less important to me than the knowledge that I was being recognized for my interests and for my intelligence. As unfortunate as it was that my interests weren't considered particularly cool, they still made me an individual who stood out from all of the conformity.

I think of my nerdhood as an ideal filtering system.

How did distinction come about? (2)

gargle (97883) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511053)

'Geek' has become an almost positive term: smart, rich (silicon valley types), if on the dorky side. 'Nerd' is still almost wholly negative.

I think the interesting question is, how did things turn out this way? It seems to be a very recent distinction: I remember posting (anonymously) on /. several years back a comment on the distinction between geek and nerd, and I remember that the difference in meaning was much less clear then than it is now.

It seems that it could have gone either way: we needed a term with a positive connotation and a term with a negative connotation, so people just made an arbitrary choice.

Re:Power in Language (1)

Eimi Metamorphoumai (18738) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511054)

"We're geeks, we're weak, let's get hacking"? Sorry, unfair stereotype there, and it brings back the whole (cr|h)acker debate.

Re:Power in Language (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511055)

"We're geeks! We're meek! We have glasses on our beaks!"

Doesn't work too well....

Poll? (1)

SecretAsianMan (45389) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511056)

Rob, do I feel a poll coming out of this?

Confusion between the "old" and the "new" (1)

Columbine dropout (87630) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511057)

I think both terms have gotten old. Stereotypes have clouded everything in the past. You know, the standard suspenders with collared shirt equipped with a calculator in the left pocket. What I'm trying to get at is that some of us (especially the younger /. users) are techinically social rejects indeed, but we lack the classical aspects of the the "geek" during the 60's, 70's or even 80's time period. The existance of intelligent life is not determined by the way you dress anymore. I personally conform to the established conformity protocol at our school yet I am still filed out from everyone and labelled on the forehead. High-pitched voices, severe acne, crackling voices aren't in a checklist that classifies you as a high school geek. It's the people you choose to associate with, what you discuss at lunchtime and what people perceive your intellect to be like.

My school (I just turned 16) has a severe lack of competent individuals. We witness alot of issues that we smirk at like the submission propaganda posted around our school, administrators telling us to pick up our garbage even though we weren't finished eating our food and if any geek were to show violent behavior, it would be grounds for mental probing. Okay i'm getting off-topic, but what I'm trying to add here is that, if you really want to call the new brand of intellectuals geeks then I suppose the end result would be the mutatation of the word "geek" or "nerd."

A decade ago I bet you could tell a geek from a non-geek just by looking at the individual, its not so apparent anymore.

No difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511058)

This is Sh*t and we all know it. It use to be Nerds and geeks were the same thing, now its fashionable to be a Nerd or a Geek so we have, but we have football geeks, car geeks, record geeks, shopping geeks and my favorite hair/makeup geeks. What use to be a Computer nerd is now a dweeb or dork, nothing has changed. The beautiful people have just taken the words over.

the jargon file says... (5)

dixon (34495) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511059)

nerd n.

1. [mainstream slang] Pejorative applied to anyone with an above-average IQ and
few gifts at small talk and ordinary social rituals. 2. [jargon] Term of praise applied
(in conscious ironic reference to sense 1) to someone who knows what's really
important and interesting and doesn't care to be distracted by trivial chatter and silly
status games. Compare the two senses of computer geek.

The word itself appears to derive from the lines "And then, just to show them, I'll
sail to Ka-Troo / And Bring Back an It-Kutch, a Preep and a Proo, / A Nerkle, a
Nerd, and a Seersucker, too!" in the Dr. Seuss book "If I Ran the Zoo" (1950).
(The spellings `nurd' and `gnurd' also used to be current at MIT.) How it developed
its mainstream meaning is unclear, but sense 1 seems to have entered mass culture
in the early 1970s (there are reports that in the mid-1960s it meant roughly
"annoying misfit" without the connotation of intelligence).

An IEEE Spectrum article (4/95, page 16) once derived `nerd' in its variant form
`knurd' from the word `drunk' backwards, but this bears all the hallmarks of a
bogus folk etymology.

Hackers developed sense 2 in self-defense perhaps ten years later, and some actually
wear "Nerd Pride" buttons, only half as a joke. At MIT one can find not only
buttons but (what else?) pocket protectors bearing the slogan and the MIT seal.


computer geek n.

1. One who eats (computer) bugs for a living. One who fulfills all the dreariest
negative stereotypes about hackers: an asocial, malodorous, pasty-faced
monomaniac with all the personality of a cheese grater. Cannot be used by outsiders
without implied insult to all hackers; compare black-on-black vs. white-on-black
usage of `nigger'. A computer geek may be either a fundamentally clueless
individual or a proto-hacker in larval stage. Also called `turbo nerd', `turbo geek'.
See also propeller head, clustergeeking, geek out, wannabee, terminal junkie,
spod, weenie. 2. Some self-described computer geeks use this term in a positive
sense and protest sense 1 (this seems to have been a post-1990 development). For
one such argument, see http://samsara.circus.com/~omni/geek.html. See also geek
code.

Sigh... Poll anyone? (2)

/dev/kev (9760) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511060)

This topic is so controversial I'm surprised there's not a poll to go with it.

In fact, I think that there should be a poll, as all good geeks/nerds know that the only way to prove their point of view is right is to win in a slashdot poll. As Homer said, "The winner will be showered with gifts, and the loser will be booed until my throat is sore."

I'm giving it a day before the time-honoured "Which do you prefer, geek or nerd?" poll comes up... anyone care to see if they can pick it more accurately? :)

Re:Power in Language (4)

mouseman (54425) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511061)

Absolutely. The term is "reclaiming" words of abuse. It's a form of verbal judo. Take the words that your enemies use against you and make them work for you instead. The gay community is masterful at that. They didn't just reclaim queer, but also faggot and dyke. Those words don't seem to have the power to burn that they once had. I don't think the same is true for ethnic slurs. N-----r is still a nasty word, IMO.

Same breed, one is just more social. (1)

nieveh (75880) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511062)

I agree with this article for the most part.

When Nerd is mentioned, I keep thinking of the guys that are dressed in "Revenge of the Nerds". The horn rim glasses, collared shirt, pocket protector and suspenders to complete the picture. Nerds tend to be people that haven't established themselves - positively that is- in social class. As far as geeks goes, the people who do call themselves "geeks" tend to be a little more in sync with society more so than nerds. If you notice, the ones who are quite computer literate and with the groove of style seem prefer geek over nerd.

But both classes have similarities, such as intrests in computers, but nerds just tend to be obsessed with technology like a hobby and you don't really see them going anywhere with it. It fits well with "News for Nerds" doesn't it? We've got the news, we're interested in this sort of stuff, but for most of us, this stuff is like a hobby.

The geeks have now inherited the earth and have all the jobs while then erds are still down in the basement and tinkering with their computers. (Geeks seem prefer to be having fun, socializing and making money.)

Re:Real Geeks post first!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511063)

How dare you presume to know me. Nerd.

Gnews for Geeks? (2)

B-Rad (66696) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511064)

I just commented to a friend (Hi Chad!) a couple of days ago that /. has to change their slogan, because I don't feel like a nerd. As many people've said (and the article said), nerd has a more negative connotation associated with it. I certainly think of the typical glasses-with-tape-wearing, pocket-protecting, slide-ruling, socially-inepting, pizza-facing guy when I think of nerd.

A geek, on the other hand, knows what they're doing, can carry on a conversation outside of computers, and knows what the best beer in town is (Hermann's, yeah!).

My non-computer friends keep trying to insult me by calling me a geek. I always thank them. If they start calling me a nerd, however...

Re:Power in Language (1)

mouseman (54425) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511065)

I just know some AC is going to come along and ask whether I meant "Nastier", "Nebular", "Nuclear" or "Neither". Ok, ok, I miscounted. Calm down.

Mind you, "nastier" is a nasty word.

I know what a Geek is (1)

Lost Carrier (87801) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511066)

A geek is a skilled nerd. Nerds are just nerds but geeks have skills. Maybe "news for nerds" isnt that appropriate?

Lost Carrier

Nerd, Geek, we all rule the world. (1)

Xerithane (13482) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511067)

Does it matter? I mean.. c'mon -- a rose is a rose by any other name.
We're the ones with the power, and that is what counts.

Geeks and Nerds (1)

CFN (114345) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511068)

Do you think I can wire up a bunch of geeks and nerds together and run an awesome Beowulf on 'em?

(Has linux been ported to nerds yet, or does it still only run on geeks?)

Re:Potato - Patato Tomato Tomato (1)

[Bruce] (110799) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511069)

Im in agreement that whatever people call you they generally know what they mean and so do you. This has been very confused in my school at least and a while ago a few ppl somehow came to the conclusion that a nerd works hard and is involved with work, while not nessesarily being smart at all. A geek was someone that was smart and generally used this to do as little work as possible, and get out of trouble, as opposed to the nerd who would never do anything to get himself in trouble. About a month later tho9 this was pretty much forgotten about, and it was back to confusion but i dont think that it really matters. you know who you are (i hope) and thats what is important.

Re:What about me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511070)

Perhaps these people are "nouveau-nerds". I use the term to describe myself, although I've never gotten in a bar fight :)

It sounds better than "Professional Geek"

I was called a geek all the time at work, but it was a term of respect, not derision. They respected me for my skills with computers. That's what I was, the resident computer-geek. I didn't mind at all, cause that's what I am. Nerd, geek, whatever, I'll still make more money than all of em. Mwahaha

Kaii the geek who can't remember his password

Coupland says in "Microserfs": (2)

pandr (112139) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511071)

In the wonderful book "Microserfs", author Douglas Coupland touches on this subject severel times. I won't try to recreate his words -- you should go read it yourselves -- but one thing I remember is the idea of 'Geek' as beeing a term which implies 'hireability'.

On a side note, the Danish translator of 'Microserfs' had a rough time because the translation of 'Geek' and 'Nerd' to danish is not injective -- we have only one word (that I know of) for this, namely 'nørd'. Wonder if other languages have more/few alternatives than the two english ones.

Finally, a story with some real value (2)

joecur (79232) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511072)

It depends entirely on the age group. To a taunting third grader, a geek/nerd aren't at all different. But to an educated grown-up(me?), a geek is a derogatory term used by those 3rd-grade taunters turned adults who haven't bothered to learn things technical/useful whereas a nerd is adept in things requiring brains, and so makes said stupid-taunter-people jealous.

Malaprops aside, imho, (you all know what it means, i don't need to YELL IT) a geek is smart, yet socially inept. Quite able to code, build rockets, visualize space-time like none other, yet one who would posts comments such as this at 1:00 AM.

A nerd can have less actual ability than a geek, but the nerd has social skills, so those abilities are often more useful than the geek's. A nerd wouldn't waste his time writing something as valuable and important as this. So a nerd is perhaps the more noble nomenclature, yet a geek can pride him/herself on possessing such a superior intellect that normal social contexts just don't apply.

Re:Gnews for Geeks? (1)

[Bruce] (110799) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511073)

I have though about this myself but just think about this for a moment. If /. was to be "news for geeks" how many people would read it to try and be "cool" and how many useless morinic posts would spring up? Although I prefer geek it was originally a tern of insult which is how comunities like /. formed; through alienation. Im prepared to be a nerd if its not the "cool" thing to be, simpily for that reason. "you're all individuals!" "I'm not!"

Re:It's all about nerds. (1)

Stainless Steel Rat (67028) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511074)

I tend to agree. Nerds are much more driven by intellect and knowledge aquisition. They don't care so much about being an "in" person because they have found there place and are happy to be there.

Geeks are much more deprived. They want to be part of the hip croud, but for some reason are unsuccessful. Quite oftain it is because they have the unpopular creativity (that is sometimes lacking to the nerd). They are the Sci-fi writers, the AD&D players, the Star Trek fans, and comic book owners... without the excessive IQ.

That is why it seems that "Geek" is derogitory to "Nerd". I'm a nerd. I love sci-fi, but I understand the science behind the fiction. I help create the fantacy word that the geek has wet dreams over.

Re:Gnews for Geeks? (1)

Vidar Hokstad (87953) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511075)

Actually your description of a nerd fits very accurately in what I'd call a geek. I'm accept being called a nerd - I even do it myself on occasion. But being called a geek? That would be an insult.

Re:Power in Language (1)

noc (97855) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511076)

The previous post said "in certain peer groups" (or something close to that :). With that qualification, it's true. Whitey can't go around calling people nigger without being remarkably offensive, but within certain groups of (especially) black people, the phrase "my nigger" can be used in a positive way, like "my boy," (ie, "Yeah, I got your back, you're my nigger!"). I can only speak for the west coast on this, however.

The same goes for other ethnic slurs, to varying degrees: guinea and wop come to mind. (Don't think those can count as nasty words any more? If not, $10 says you're not Italian-American)

restructuring of society? (1)

bludstone (103539) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511077)

Yeah, how long until we start oppressing all the ones who dont have the power? Looks like a restructuring of society here.

Its getting to be the mythological "future," with robotic dogs for pets [sony.com] and new groundbreaking technology on a daily basis. The geeks finally have a loud voice. But that means its more difficult for the average person to recieve that status. I'm pretty sure most people dont have a computer, or access to a computer that is feasable (i'm not loading any stat programs for a /. post.) But now that we are in charge, lets try not to make the mistakes people of power have done in the past. Oh, wait.. too late for that, we already are.

How long until the "peasants rebellion?"
--------------------------------

Geeks vs Nerds (1)

BradleyUffner (103496) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511078)

For some odd reason this has always been the way I always thought... Both are into technology, and both seem out of place in the social world. Nerds relize this but can't seem to do anything about it, no matter how hard they try. Geeks relize this also, but for some reason, they like it that way.

My favorite nerd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511079)

Remember Melvin in "War Games"? He was hilarious. By your definition, he's definately a nerd. Annoying as hell. Fit the stereotype of the day perfectly. Oh my god, that guy made me laugh soooo hard...

NRRRDs, fuck yeah (1)

noc (97855) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511080)

For the most part, I consider the two to be interchangable, but I'm more partial to nerd because in high-school we half-way tounge-in-cheek used "nrrrd" and "riot nrrrd" (as in "riot grrrl") as a term to describe a nerd(/geek) who's (at least semi-)punk and anarchosocialist. In addition to being a prime opportunity to replace the "ur" sound with "rrr", it seemed, at least at the time, that a nerd could more probably be into math as well as language, polisci, photography, literature, philosophy, etc., than a geek. Mostly just an excuse to be tounge-in-cheek militant, tho (think "NRRRD" arm bands) :).

Re:Power in Language (4)

jjoyce (4103) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511081)

"We're geeks, we're here, and we're only going shopping if the key size is at least 128 bits."

--

I look at it this way... (2)

Vacuum (106320) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511082)

geeks and nerds are of the same aptitude, the only difference being that geeks are subtle about it and nerds want to rub it in peoples faces and are artificially high on themselves.


Frank Zappa was a geek and Miles Davis was a nerd.

Re:Power in Language (1)

omnifrog (93180) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511083)

We're geeks! We're meek! And we're mildly autistic! Damn... I still can't get that article out of my head :)

Re:like the word Christian (1)

roamer (70273) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511084)

The word Christian means litterally "little christ" and was first used in Antioch around 40AD.
The Greeks used it derisively, shouting it as they put the followers of Christ to death. It did not take long though, that it became adopted, and has been used ever since. It happened the same time they adopted the Chi Rho symbol.

Re:My favorite nerd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511085)

I used to work with someone just like him, the thing is the guy Jim (I think it was Jim) was a geek.

Re:Geeks and Nerds (1)

jsm2 (89962) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511086)

I think that if you stay to the end, you'll find that the nerds are the winners in that string of 80s movies.

The clue's in the title, you see, "Revenge of the Nerds".

If they were the losers, it would be called "Ass-kicking of the Nerds", or "Triumph of the Jocks", or "Many Nerds Hurt", or something.

God, I'm bored.

jsm

Re:Etymology of "nerd"and "geek" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511087)

Well... Actually, the word "nerd" first appeared in a Dr. Seuss book a good long while ago. Sadly, I don't remember which one, but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out if one is inclined to do so. As for geek, I believe it orginally referred to carnival performers who would do things like eat live poultry (or anything else, i.e. the Engima from the Jim Rose Circus) and hammer nails into various body parts. Anyway, I think that's right. :) "You'd pay to know what you REALLY think." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs

Re:Power in Language (1)

Felinoid (16872) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511088)

Mind over mussle, Smart is sexy,
Death geek [picture geek with two robots behind him looking hard at a bully.. the geek has an evil smile] You'll never know until it's to late.

Re:Power in Language (1)

reptilian (75755) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511089)

I have one.

"FREAK"

In my high school a couple of years ago, there was a very explosive situation between two groups of people, known as 'freaks' (which I was part of), and 'wiggars' (which was relatively common at the time to refer to white people who acted as a black stereotype). Freaks would be distingushed by their taste in music and quite often their choice of hair color.

The term 'freak' was used by the 'wiggars' as a derogatory term, but it took only a couple of weeks for the term to be used in a complimentary way between different freaks. The only difference is that if we were called a freak by someone who wasn't, we would still consider it complimentary - we adpoted the term as a valid way to classify ourselves.


Man's unique agony as a species consists in his perpetual conflict between the desire to stand out and the need to blend in.

Simple Hierarchy in My Mind (1)

mattermite (100724) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511090)

In my mind there is a very clear distinction. A geek is a general term for the inteligent (usually refering to getting along well with technical devices.) All nerds are geeks, but they are the classic stereotype w/ glasses, out of style clothes (no intention to infer that they were ever in style), similar friends, little social interaction, the near bottom of the social ranking system.

Geek, nerd, spod? (1)

stut (96195) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511091)

Always preferred the word 'spod' when referring to techie types like our good selves. Allegedly from a Yorkshire word meaning 'workaholic', it now applies to your average spend-too-much-time-on-computer people, and manages to convey a positive side. (It's also a verb). New definition: someone who knows what the word 'spod' means. And everyone's happy with recursion.

Nerd = studious ; Geek = weird (1)

Mike Schiraldi (18296) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511092)

The following commentary is presented in Dolby Surround Stereotyping:

I'd say a nerd is someone who doesn't break the rules, doesn't take chances, is smart and studious, and doesn't have a lot of crazy fun. Even when a nerd is having leisure time with fellow nerds, they tend to do things like play Spriograph or practice their Latin conjugations.

A geek is someone weird, usually obsessive about something (not necc. computers; one can be a Dungeons and Dragons geek, etc). However, geeks are much more likely to break rules or even have wild fun with their fellow geeks (stealing a drum of ethyl alcohol from the chem lab, exploring their university's tunnel system) Geeks don't have to be smart.

Also, nerds tend to be quiet about their social status while geeks tend to shamelessly flaunt it. A nerd would wear a plain white button-down shirt, a geek would wear a 2600 t-shirt.

A nerd would spend their lunch period reading ahead in a textbook. A geek would be out in the parking lot playing with thermite.

I'm not one to label anybody but... (1)

evil-beaver (15985) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511093)

Nerds are people that love technology, Geeks are people that know what to do with it. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are Nerds. Linux Torvalds and Jean-Louis Gassee are Geeks. Biiiiiig difference!

I prefer... (1)

Dr. Nonsense (116117) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511094)

I prefer Nerd over Geek. I really despise the fact that Geek has become a chic word. Geek still means to me a circus freak who bites the head off chickens. I believe Geek became more popular when someone came up with "Geek Code" which could have just as easily been called "Nerd Code" -- but alas Nerds everywhere were then forced to declare their "geek code" in order to be understood by Nerds & 'Geeks' everywhere.
Thus, it caught on due to mass leverage.

in the case of geek v nerd (1)

reptilian (75755) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511095)

I have to say, I have no idea. I've thought about it a bit, and I guess what I came up with is this, which is totally my opinion, since it seems everyone has a differing opinion.

To me, neither geek nor nerd are derogatory, but they differ in meaning, since I readily consider myself both...

A nerd refers to one who is highly adept and passionate about something, or many things. Like "Computer Nerd" is someone really into computers. However, a geek doesn't refer at all to the same thing, but more to social ability (or lack thereof). So, as a nerd and a geek, I'm very passionate and skilled in what I do, yet very inept socially.

That's what I get from the words.

Man's unique agony as a species consists in his perpetual conflict between the desire to stand out and the need to blend in.

Sig definition (1)

VSc (30374) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511096)

Somebody's .sig goes like that:

Geek is somebody whose life revolves around computers; nerd is someone whose life revolves around computers and enjoys it.

How well said.

Slashdot's motto ('News for nerds..'), however, gives me an impression that most people reading News for Nerds are not geeks ;-).

Re:Power in Language (1)

MG (19580) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511097)

Our slogan should read "Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth" (With due credit to the Life of Brian)

Re:Geek, nerd, spod? (2)

PigleT (28894) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511098)

Yup, agreed on that one. "Spod" I've always taken as someone who hangs out a lot on EW-* talkers or MUDs etc; to me a 'nerd' is a wannabee geek, too - lacking in social interaction or something like that, gets over-excited at every nerd toy to drop from Bill's gracious hand, rather than Linus' ;)

What kind of logic is this? (1)

Abigail-II (20195) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511099)

Geeks can be nerds, but nerds can't be geeks.

So, the geek that's a nerd is not a geek at the same time?

-- Abigail

Re:How did distinction come about? (2)

Colitis (8283) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511100)

What I'm getting from the discussions here is that nerd is the more likely to be claimed in a positive sense and that geek is more insulting. Here in NZ, at least from where I stand, it's the other way round - geek is more positive and nerd is more negative. I hear terms like "geek flat" used a lot to describe houses full of computers (supposedly any house with more computers than people is a geek house, although I dunno how good a rule of thumb this is because this house of five has more computers than people and I'm the only one who owns any!) and a co-worker and I will refer to doing something geeky rather than doing something nerdy.

Either way, as the Jargon file alludes, I personally find it a little offensive to be called a geek by somebody who isn't one.

Nerds according to Gateway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511101)

http://www.gateway.com/help/glossary/glossary_n.sh tml

Re:Geek vs. Nerd (1)

Karellen (104380) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511102)

Or, as a friend of mine once said 'you can disguide a geek'.

Meaning geeks and nerds can have equivalent technical skills/inclinations, but that geeks also have a sociable side to them _that allows them to interact with non-geeks/nerds_. This also means that (at least in the circles I travel in) the geeks are slightly more vain (not vain in any absolute sense, naturally, just more vain than their nerdy counterparts :-) and have a wider circle of friends.

I agreed that three years at university definitely increases the likelyhood of a nerd transforming into a geek.

(Note : this is just the perceived meaning of those words in the circles I frequent. YMMV)

I'm a Geek, but not a Nerd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511103)

I'm proud to be a Geek, but I take serious offence at being described as a nerd... Geek, to me, is more a term of respect - someone who has a deep interest in a subject or two (I'm a geek of computers, and a geek of art, BTW). Nerd always seems to be more a term of disrespect, rarely used in a flattering way. It's all a question of personal terminology...

To me... (1)

cg (18840) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511104)

For the past couple of years I have been going with:
--Geeks apply knowledge/ make money with it.
--Nerds are just learning.

That is not to say that Geeks are smarter than Nerds, though. I have gone with this as a way to differentiate the work-force vs. school-based techies among my friends. A Nerd can become a Geek by getting a job, or some other real-world application. A Geek would have to leave work and return to Academia to become a Nerd.

That's my angle on it.

Examples of Power in Language (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511105)

Yeah i got an example of turning a negative into a positive, its a Dutch word though :)...When the Spanish occupied Holland, there was a resistance group. The Spanish called them "Geuzen", which was supposed to be offensive, that resistance group began to use that word as a sort of power word, actually calling themselves "Geuzen" ( or "water-geuzen", which is a diferent story all together :)... To this day its still an expression in Dutch: a "Geuzen naam" is a name which was originally used to make fun of someone, but that person turned the word into a positive thing... Prins Olivier

Geck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511106)

-Geek, on the other hand, has its roots in a now-obsolete Dutch word, "geck," which meant "fool."- Well, I am dutch, and I'd like to point out the the 'obsolete' word "geck" still is beeing used, it's jussed spelled differend. Nowadays we spell "gek" witch has many different meaning witch all depend on the context it's used in. But it's most accurate translation would be "Crazy" ..........Just in case you where interested......

I'm not of it.... (1)

Abigail-II (20195) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511107)

People have called me geek or nerd, or even hacker (Yuck!), and sometimes guru. They are all wrong.

Friends call me more appropriately:

-- Abigail

Re:the jargon file says... (1)

dkscully (42850) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511108)

I use these in exactly the opposite way.

i.e. a nerd has all the social problems and probably trainspots and doesn't necesarily understand computers at all.

Whilst a geek is highly computer literate and while may have some trouble with face to face socialisation, is quite competant at important things like washing themselves.

Re:Etymology of "nerd"and "geek" (0)

Erik Hensema (12898) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511109)

"geek" comes from the Dutch word "gek", which means "crazy" or "crazy person".

It's not 'nerd' ... (1)

nhowie (38409) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511110)

I'm a GNURD

... 10am and bored already
--

Re:Power in Language (1)

Simon Brooke (45012) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511111)

Well, one of the most powerful examples of a group embracing an epithet which was originally used as an insult is the Quakers. And yes, it is a powerful thing to do. I have no difficulty whatsoever in describing myself as a geek. I am a geek; I'm a good geek, and I'm proud of it.

I am not, however, a nerd.

Geeks vs Nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511112)

Geeks are smart and wise from _experience_. Nerds know only what they've read and seem to lack common-sense.

Re:finger spasms suck! (1)

Darchmare (5387) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511113)

You obsessive compulsive geek.

(and yes, I say that in the nicest way possible)

:>

- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com [velocinews.com] )

A definition I like... (1)

roadtrip (15773) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511114)

My personal definition in the Geek vs Nerd nomenclature argument comes from http://www.circus.com/~omni/geek.html [circus.com]

I'm also fond of the ideas represented in the Geek Code [geekcode.com] . Geeks come in all shapes and sizes, both physically and mentally. Most people I know who I don't consider to be geek/nerds use the term Geek as a form of respect, in a "so that's what you people call yourselves..." manner.

just my 37.52 Lira... (last I checked, US $0.02)

Re:I'm not of it.... (1)

Darchmare (5387) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511115)

You need better friends.

"Hey more appropriately, can you come over tonight?"

(and before you say something, realize this was just a bad joke)

- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com [velocinews.com] )

Doh! (1)

Aighearach (97333) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511116)

Has it occured to anybody that this might be a regional thing? In Oregon, a nerd is smart enough to be intimidating to his/her peers, and a geek is just disliked by his/her peers.

Offtopic question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511117)

At MIT one can find not only buttons but (what else?) pocket protectors bearing the slogan and the MIT seal.

What is a pocket protector?

Categories of geeks/nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1511118)

So nobody seems to agree on the definitions of the words, but there are only a few different stereotypes:

1. The classical derogatory meaning of both words: A person who is an outsider because of limited social skills (sometimes noticeable in dress), and because:
a) he is interested in only one subject (e.g. computers) and is unable to talk about anything else...
b) he is interested in or good at many strange 'intellectual' things that others aren't interested in/aren't good at (people who build their own computer _and_ speak Latin fluently...)
c) because he behaves as if he was more intelligent than others
d) other

2a), 2b) Same as 1), but without the derogatory conotation, used as a compliment.
However, it still implies a certain social inability - the positive sides of 1a) and 1b) are considered more important.

3a), 3b) Same as 2), but the social inability is not as strong: The person of type 3 may not adhere to general standards in society, but he may get on quite well socially with other people of categories 2 and 3.

I'm sure something is missing in these categories, please point it out.
If we had a complete list of categories, the rest of the discussion would become much easier (i.e. some people think of geeks as 3b and nerds as 2a, some do it the other way round).


(Sorry for posting A.C., I don't want an account because I don't want posting to /. while I should be working to become a habit...)

Chuckle (1)

osguzzler (101944) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511119)

Back in my youth, when if you used the word computer, people thought you were pronouncing "commuter" wrongly, the word nurd meant a ridiculously stupid person, somewhere between a dunce and an arsehole. It seems its meaning has taken an 180 degree turn since, and that makes me chuckle (depending on who uses it).
OBTW: nurd is much more effective in the plural ... "YOU PACK OF NURDS", for example, is a great way of venting your feelings.

Geek definition (1)

LocutusMIT (10726) | more than 14 years ago | (#1511120)

borg% webster geek
geek \'ge-k\ n [prob. fr. E dial. geek, geck fool, fr. LG geck, fr. MLG] :
a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usu. includes
biting the head off a live chicken or snake.

borg%

Umm... I'm trying to figure out how this came to be associated with computers...
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