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Penguin Car Earns Indy500 Spot

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the not-bad-for-a-flightless-bird dept.

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strredwolf writes "Despite generating over $12K in funds, well short of the $250K goal, the Tux 500 Project was able to secure a spot in the Indy 500 with driver Roberto Moreno piloting the Linux #77 Indy car. He's back in the pack in 31st place (only 5.5 MPH separates 31st place from 1st) but was able to secure it by re-qualifying with an average speed of 220.299 MPH. Will Moreno be able to pilot the penguin-tipped Indy car to victory next week at the 91st Indianapolis 500?"

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No thanks to you, Slashdot. (4, Insightful)

suso (153703) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207069)

(I'm coming out of comment retirement to criticize Slashdot, not the community)

Slashdot, you should be ashamed of yourself. Doing nothing to help, but claiming the rights after the fact. This was exactly the kind of grass roots project that you would have announced in the past, but choose to purposefully ignore it this time. You had a chance to announce this a long time ago, but according to Rob Malda himself, who said in full "there are so many reasons that this story doesn't interest me :)", the grass roots project wasn't worthy of your sacred pages. There were several times that a story about this project appeared in the firehose, but no story about the project's existance ever made it to the front page.

All it would have taken from you is to accept one measley little story about the Tux500 project a few weeks ago and *bam*, it would have had the proper amount of publicity to energize the Linux community and raise enough money to fully sponsor the car. All it took was $1 from each person in just 1% of the community, so it would have worked even with 80% of the community doing their own thing. But since the project didn't get the good publicity it deserved, it only raised half the amount needed just to put a logo on the car. Fortunately the good will of the tux500 team seems to be allowing the logo to still be on the car. I guess they are better people than you.

You know why so many community projects fail? Because the leaders don't believe in them.

Just so the rest of you know for this discussion, I understand that sites like Slashdot are news sites. But IMHO, only half a news site. There have been hundreds of stories here over the years meant to mobilize the community (ie. Blender). I ask, why not this one?

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (2, Insightful)

strider44 (650833) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207101)

I get your arguments but this *is* Rob Malda's blog, so you can't really blame him for not putting up a story that obviously doesn't interest him...

(that said, I may be biased because as an Australian this story doesn't really interest me either)

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1, Insightful)

suso (153703) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207111)

(that said, I may be biased because as an Australian this story doesn't really interest me either)

Obviously it did interest you because you bothered to read the comments for it.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1)

Architect_sasyr (938685) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207263)

Indeed, as it interested me in so far as I am an Australian glad to see Linux making a name for itself. I read comments on half the slashdot stories I see purely because it is a source I can learn new things from or find some cool link to click on (note to self, never again surf at -1 and click Anonymous Coward links).

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with your initial post, but feel the need to point out that, in fact, there are often deeper reasons for something happening. I see this a lot in IRC channels (specifically the ## channels on Freenode) and it sadens me almost as much as slashdot missing something as big as this.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (2, Informative)

Sunburnt (890890) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207287)

Obviously it did interest you because you bothered to read the comments for it.

Not necessarily. Perhaps he or she's a compulsive reader like myself who, having no interest in auto racing and no faith in the efficacy of this form of advertising, is still willing to read the comments for each article to see if anything personally interesting is raised.

Hell, I'm only reading this article because I won't get any work for another 45 minutes, and I figure that advertising discussions on /. are more likely to provide entertainment than the morning's paper. It would never have occurred to me to advertise Linux by plastering Tux onto the front of a race car, and I'm not surprised that this project didn't reach its fiscal goal: I'm sure I'm not the only Linux enthusiast nerd to think, "Why, exactly, does this cost a quarter of a million dollars?"

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (3, Interesting)

nelsonal (549144) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207433)

There are two reasons. There are millions of racing fans, (the Indy 500 will probably have 5 million viewers) including many of the higher ups in most of the US auto industry. Second it's like product placement so people can't just get up and leave during the commercials (they're watching the cars and then see the ads. He might want to think about partnering the effort with Intel/AMD/HP/Oracle/Dell/IBM who could then foot a portion of the bill and could add further legitimacy.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207723)

Intel/AMD/HP/Oracle/Dell/IBM

I think they're all pretty busy sponsoring various F1 teams. Which I suspect is a better place to spend it, given the worldwide audience for F1 over Indycar.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207945)

They also sponsor Indycar, Champ, and NASCAR. All of which have a bigger US following than F1, but none of which can hold a candle to GP2 racing, and can't even begin to compare to F1.

5.5 MPH is ALOT (3, Insightful)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208025)

It is clear that the submitter is not familiar with racing. 5.5MPH in a race is a HUGE gap, it is a 500 mile race on a 2 mile track. IF he stays at a constant 5.5 MPH behind the leader, he will be give or take 8 laps back at the end of the race. Unfortunately the more likely scenario is that he will lose speed throughout the race.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1)

hpavc (129350) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207251)

This just in Mark Webber sitting in for Stephan Gregoire. Suddenly Aussies everywhere gone wild.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207341)

This just in Mark Webber sitting in for Stephan Gregoire. Suddenly Aussies everywhere gone wild.
So Webbo's not racing in the Monaco GP? Who will fill his seat at RedBull then?

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207369)

Don't bring real motorsport into this. We were talking about Indycar!

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19208405)

So you're all supporting Scott Dixon, then?

(what?)

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (2, Informative)

smilindog2000 (907665) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207109)

Here's another community project that /. could support, with the goal of bringing cheap telephones to the masses in under-developed countries: http://rowetel.com/ucasterisk/index.html [rowetel.com] . It's David Rowe's Free Telephony Project.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1, Insightful)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207841)

Underdeveloped countries need things a lot worse than telephones.

If you really want to help 3rd world countries, stop thinking tech. Start thinking about simple things like how to get food, water, and medicine into these places.

Start speaking out about people buying diamonds.

Start encouraging your governments to protect UN, Red Cross, Peace Corps, and other convoys trying to deliver supplies.

Start encouraging assassination of leaders who seize supplies.

Blow up the homes, cars, wives, children, and friends of some of these fucking warlords until they stop chopping arms off of kids.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208063)

Maybe we could just send some people over that can teach these people to read, followed by books educating them how to:

A. Move to a different area.
B. Recover drinking water from many sources.
C. Hunt/Gather/Farm for food.
D. Provide medical assistance.

I can't help but think that when you're just physically helping one person at a time on any of the above, it's not helping anyone. I won't send any third world countries money, food, supplies or anything like that. I will only send books or send money to teachers of literature. That's because outside of severe physical damage (up to and including death), intelligence cannot be taken away, stolen, bartered with or refused.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (5, Interesting)

tbone1 (309237) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207141)

Oh, I submitted this a couple weeks ago, including how even a braindead news organization noticed Linux at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Apparently it wasn't newsworthy THEN.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207685)

Various incarnations of the story got as far as the Firehose a few times, but didn't really progress from there, so it wasn't just Rob Malda that wasn't interested. I had the chance to vote for it several times, and didn't. The "product X gets advertising in place Y" didn't seem to merit discussion to me.

Despite the whole going-round-in-circles thing, I'll probably watch the 500 at some point - hoping for a victory for Knaresborough's finest of course, but if that doesn't happen there's still a reasonable chance that a British-built car will come first (http://www.penske.com/ [penske.com] ). You can't even find one of those on the road any more...

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207183)

I can honestly say, even though I camp on a lot of the Technical Sites during the day, this is the first time that I have even heard of this - and it's too late to donate. Figures. Sadly, I'll agree. Slashdot could have done something to help the community earlier and didn't.

Looks like the site still takes donations today. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207301)

I just sent a donation.

Agreed, Too little too late. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207207)

But you can still donate money on the website. I'm sure the money would help them out somehow.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (0, Troll)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207225)

First of all, how does this story claim "the rights after the fact"? It just reports what happened. Not that the tone of the story ("over 12k", "only 5.5MPH"!) helps, if this is the style the previous stories were submitted in, I'm not too sorry they weren't accepted. And did Taco really say that about this story? I recall it being their policy not to comment on why stories are/aren't accepted.

Personally, I'm not too interested in shelling out money for a tiny, barely visible picture of a fat penguin to be placed on a car nobody would be paying any attention anyway. But then, I don't particularly care for Linux. Still, having a blimp with a huge Linux logo hover over the track would do much more good IMO.

Anyway, I find something funny in the fact that they chose to associate Linux with driving in circles over and over. Next lap will be the lap of Linux on deskto^W^W^W where we get to the point scoring position!

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207401)

Anyway, I find something funny in the fact that they chose to associate Linux with driving in circles over and over.
running process - running around the track
servicing interrupt - pit stop
timer interrupt - next lap

over and over ;)

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (3, Informative)

suso (153703) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207763)

And did Taco really say that about this story? I recall it being their policy not to comment on why stories are/aren't accepted.

I actually emailed him personally and asked him if there was a reason why they weren't running a story on this. What I quoted him saying is exactly and all that he sent back.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207285)

All it would have taken from you is to accept one measley little story about the Tux500 project a few weeks ago and *bam*, it would have had the proper amount of publicity to energize the Linux community and raise enough money to fully sponsor the car. All it took was $1 from each person in just 1% of the community, so it would have worked even with 80% of the community doing their own thing. But since the project didn't get the good publicity it deserved, it only raised half the amount needed just to put a logo on the car. Fortunately the good will of the tux500 team seems to be allowing the logo to still be on the car. I guess they are better people than you.

Energize the community? To me it sounds like an unbelievably pointless waste of money. The failure to raise 250k probably reflects the community thinking much the same thing. Even assuming 250k were raised, I can think of dozens far more worthwhile open source projects that it could go towards.

We're not all petrol heads... (0, Troll)

maccallr (240314) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207673)

Energize the community? To me it sounds like an unbelievably pointless waste of money. The failure to raise 250k probably reflects the community thinking much the same thing. Even assuming 250k were raised, I can think of dozens far more worthwhile open source projects that it could go towards.

Exactly, or something in the same vein but a bit more enlightened than burning an obscene amount of fuel just to go round in circles, for example a solar plane/car race or some kind of sailing sponsorship (much bigger penguins possible there).

Re:We're not all petrol heads... (5, Informative)

fotbr (855184) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208065)

Indycar is running entirely ethanol this year.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207297)

Leaving aside your bizarre arithmetic (a "$1 contribution" barely covers the costs of collecting it), why this one though? What the hell does Linux have to do with rednecks watching cars drive in an oval for a couple of hours? Wouldn't a quarter of a million dollars be better spent on handing out Ubuntu DVDs to the hillbillys?

God, the words feel dirty even as I type them, but I'm with Malda on this. It's a silly folly, and I'm glad that not many people wasted their money on it.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207339)

Publicity is a good thing jackass. (even of the "redneck" varity; which you seem to be confusing with NASCAR; not too bright either?)

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207403)

FYI, rednecks watch a different kind of car drive in circles. Eurowannabes watch these cars drive in circles, when not pretending to be really passionate Premier League fans.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (3, Insightful)

cdrudge (68377) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207537)

I thought Eurowannabes would be more into the F1-circuit then Indy car. Either way, from where my seats have been the last couple of years at the 500 (1/2 way between turns 1 and 2), the term rednecks wouldn't be too far off. Drunk rednecks may be a better description. I cringe to thing what the Brickyard is like.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1, Offtopic)

sheldon (2322) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207877)

Rednecks? Indianapolis 500? Rednecks?

Do you understand the difference between Indy 500 and Nascar? Most of the people I know, such as myself, who watch the Indy 500 are engineers.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1, Flamebait)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208103)

Wish I had mod points, wish I had mod points.

NASCAR Fans

  • Watch SCIFI schlock explode-a-nuke-to-stop-earthquake/nova/moon-crashi ng/asteroid movies
  • Argue over "less filling" and "great taste" in the beer aisle (oh and spell it as "i l e")
  • Refers to lottery tickets as their retirement plan
  • Voted Bush, cause Gore "ain't no real Southerner"
  • Got his computer at Best Buy or Walmart
  • Hopes to see a crash

Indy Fans

  • Watch Asimov based movies and know where the screenwriter took liberties
  • Know that Turning Leaf is a Gallo label and still won't buy it
  • Tracks indexes and tweaks their 401k to out-perform the S&P
  • Didn't vote for Bush or Gore because they were both Southerners
  • Built his computer after getting the parts at Frys
  • Hopes to see a crash

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (4, Informative)

tbone1 (309237) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207961)

Get your facts straight, for one thing. These are REAL race cars; they don't have fenders.

Second, the Indy 500 is unique in motor sports, like the Kentucky Derby is in horse racing. People who know nothing about the sport and who never give it a thought will sit down and watch the Indy 500. There is also a buzz about the 500 after the last few races, particularly after last year's finish. (You can see the finish at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l5-XKvL28E [youtube.com] if you haven't seen it yet.) Another thing to consider is the target market. The Indy 500 is a very middle-America, middle-class event; NASCAR is for po' folk and F1 is for elite snobs. (I live in Indy; I've seen the crowds; and while there may be exceptions, this is by and large the rule.) These people are the ones who are middle managers and start small businesses. Really, it's not a bad strategy to reach a target market.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19208107)

F1 is for elite snobs

You mean, the rest of the world?

Eh, whatever. If you can enjoy watching cars go 'round, and 'round, and 'round, and 'round and...zzzzz. *snork* Huh? Did something happen? Oh, never mind. Wake me when someone passes.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1, Flamebait)

tbone1 (309237) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208229)

Wake me when someone passes.

Yes, that would be a unique site for an F1 fan to see. Unless someone lets a teammate pass for a win.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (5, Informative)

skribble (98873) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208401)

I've really enjoyed reading lot's of the ignorant comments people are making about the Indy 500, so in short let me explain why this is, not only important from a sporting perspective but also from and environmental and technical perspective as well.

1. The Indianapolis is the biggest annual sporting event. Period. More people attend, and more people watch on TV worldwide then any other event. If you wanted to get the message about linux out there, this would be the place to do it.

2. This year all Indy cars run on Ethanol 85. While this isn't solar, it's far better then the traditional Gas of the past (hell I believe NASCAR is just now *thinking* about phasing out leaded gas).

3. The engineering involved in these cars is amazing, not only as far as engine development (Honda had relatively little time to develop these engines to run on Ethanol 85, and have done so admirably). Also, the engines themselves are interesting in that they are normally aspirated (i.e. no Turbo, so SuperCharger just incredibly engineered 8Cyl Engines That can drive none stop at high speeds for ling distances. FWIW Honda wasn't picked to be the only engine supplier for indy cars, they got that way through attrition. The last year there were multiple engine manufacturers Honda so blew away Chevy that it just didn't make sense for them to continue.

4. Engineering! Since the engines these days are identical (as are the tires) there is a great deal of parity initially, however engineers get to figure out best race packages using aerodynamics, gear boxes, Tire Pressure etc, and on top of that figure in fuel mileage (which should be interesting since as mentioned, the fuel is different this year) tire wear, etc.

5. Of course given all that, the Drivers and Pit Crews make the difference. Of all the drivers (33) my guess would be that only about half of them have the mental toughness and backing human element to actually have a realistic chance of winning (and of that only a handful would have good vegas odds).

6. Then of course there's a shred of luck and the unexpected that always makes this totally unpredictable. Weather, Freak accidents, mechanical issues, human error, just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, all can have a hugh effect on the outcome.

7. Finally... Indy Car racing is by far the most competitive racing series out there today. Lot's of passing, and lot's of skill (a minor mistake in an indy car, and you are in the wall with your car breaking away into pieces).

8. Technological advancement. The Indy Car Series (and the IMS (Indianapolis Motor Speedway)) Have been at the forefront of many automotive advances. The Ethanol thing is one recent, but the technologies devised for driver safety have not only been adopted by almost every other racing series, but have also been instrumental in the development of safety features for all cars built today.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207687)

Just two add my two cents, this is the first I've heard of this. Would have loved to seen the publicity on /. too. I'd have contributed sooner.

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (4, Insightful)

penp (1072374) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207805)

Slashdot, you should be ashamed of yourself. Doing nothing to help, but claiming the rights after the fact. This was exactly the kind of grass roots project that you would have announced in the past, but choose to purposefully ignore it this time. You had a chance to announce this a long time ago, but according to Rob Malda himself, who said in full "there are so many reasons that this story doesn't interest me :)", the grass roots project wasn't worthy of your sacred pages. There were several times that a story about this project appeared in the firehose, but no story about the project's existance ever made it to the front page.
I could have sworn this had already made it to the front page a few times in the last month or so. At any rate, I know there was a smear campaign going around saying that the tux500 project was a scam, but there was really nothing conclusive. In the end, I really didn't care. I don't think the Indianapolis 500 is the ideal place to be promoting Linux, especially in the form of a tiny sticker on a car (or even if they had raised all the money, for an entire Tux500 car). I doubt anyone at the Indianapolis 500 is going to care about the fact that tux is represented on a car, beyond "hay look thar's a penguin on that thar car!"

All it would have taken from you is to accept one measley little story about the Tux500 project a few weeks ago and *bam*, it would have had the proper amount of publicity to energize the Linux community and raise enough money to fully sponsor the car. All it took was $1 from each person in just 1% of the community, so it would have worked even with 80% of the community doing their own thing. But since the project didn't get the good publicity it deserved, it only raised half the amount needed just to put a logo on the car. Fortunately the good will of the tux500 team seems to be allowing the logo to still be on the car. I guess they are better people than you.
Just because you believe in the project so adamantly does not mean that so many other people would believe in it just because it got posted on slashdot. It got plenty of publicity, anyone who visits any kind of linux forum can tell you that. But as I said before, the status quo seems to think that it is absolutely absurd, and the idea that they even raised $1000, let alone $12000 is even more absurd.

You know why so many community projects fail? Because the leaders don't believe in them.
How excited would the linux community be about a project to put tux on a billboard at the Super Bowl, or better yet, a commercial during the event? I'm sure there are lots more dumb ideas, most of them just don't end up with the financial backing of Tux500. You can't place the blame on the linux "leaders" for not wanting to get behind an idea of advertising linux in a highly commercial environment. It could send the wrong signal. GNU/Linux isnt about commercialism, it's about the community, which is where this argument fails.

Just so the rest of you know for this discussion, I understand that sites like Slashdot are news sites. But IMHO, only half a news site. There have been hundreds of stories here over the years meant to mobilize the community (ie. Blender). I ask, why not this one?
Personally, I have no interest in racing, let alone the Indianapolis 500. Most of my friends who support Linux, also have no interest. Why support advertisement of linux in an event which I also do not support? This is completely different from a stance to mobilize the community about something which is already WITHIN the community (i.e. blender)

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207963)

Just because you believe in the project so adamantly does not mean that so many other people would believe in it just because it got posted on slashdot. It got plenty of publicity, anyone who visits any kind of linux forum can tell you that. But as I said before, the status quo seems to think that it is absolutely absurd, and the idea that they even raised $1000, let alone $12000 is even more absurd.

Quite. Talk such as "all it took was $1 from each person in just 1% of the community," etc. is nonsense since few people outside of the US would have the slightest interest in Indianapolis 500. Even within the US, I bet the community can think of better things to do with their money (including keep it) than pay to have a penguin sticker on some nondescript racing car.

I don't think it would be a bad idea for there to be fund raisers but this idea is just lame and I think the funds raised so far reflect that.

If it'd been a linux.com logo, then... (3, Interesting)

sheldon (2322) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207917)

Or one of the other sites which are part of the OSDN empire.

Then /. would gladly have pimped the story for ya!

That'll teach you. Next time, learn how to play the /. game.

Re:If it'd been a linux.com logo, then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19208147)

OSDN Empire? LOL!

Re:No thanks to you, Slashdot. (1)

neersign (956437) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208197)

I think the editors of slashdot were waiting for a "Danica Patrick in a Penguin Suit" story to come along before they picked up on this.

Well done (5, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207075)

The year of Linux on the racetrack is upon us!

I just wonder how the pitstop will go

apt-get new-tyres

Gentoo (1)

HBI (604924) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207089)

emerge new-tires, then wait till the race is over.

We'd need a lot more cars rigged together with distcc to have a chance!

Re:Gentoo (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207129)

paludis -i new-tires, and you'll be holding the cup, taking your champagne shower, while the emerge user is still watching /...|...-...\... go by.
http://paludis.pioto.org/ [pioto.org]

Re:Gentoo (2, Funny)

simm1701 (835424) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207193)

no!! you need to compile the new tyres from source then relink them to the car!!

Re:Gentoo (5, Funny)

StarfishOne (756076) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207245)

But be careful! History learns us that fast race cars don't go too well with the '-Wall' parameter. ;O

Re:Gentoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207439)

Dizaam. I spent all my mod points yesterday. Someone throw this man a bone.

Re:Well done (4, Funny)

dfdashh (1060546) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207181)

I tried your command, but it gave me these problems... someone help!

apt-get new-tyres

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
new-tyres: Depends: pit-crew (>= 5.0) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: community-awareness (>= .01) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: community-donations (>= .01) but it is not going to be installed

Re:Well done (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207247)

I think you're looking for something more along the lines of "sudo dpkg-reconfigure tyres-frontleft"

Re:Well done (5, Funny)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207653)

It cannot work, because there will be a race condition!

*rimshot*

Re:Well done (1)

OhHellWithIt (756826) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207813)

I'll be impressed when I see a penguin on the back of a jersey in the Tour de France.

Just not YUM! (1)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207823)

Just don't use YUM - PLEASE! I'd rather the Linux car not be a DNF (did not finish).

Re:Well done (1)

savethelecture (997728) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208041)

In any case the important thing here is for the kernel of the car not to "crash"...

Only 5.5MPH behind! (5, Funny)

nmoog (701216) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207079)

That sounds pretty good! Unless the race goes for, like, an hour.

Re:Only 5.5MPH behind! (1)

pato101 (851725) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207171)

Nice joke. However, during the race, the aerodynamic drag lowers because of heading cars. Thus if everything is OK -perhaps- there won't be a difference of 5.5 miles per every race hour.

Re:Only 5.5MPH behind! (4, Informative)

BCW2 (168187) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207267)

There is a big difference between qualifying trim and race trim. The cars that qualified at the front were running 4 - 5 MPH slower yesterday in race trim (more downforce added for handling in traffic = more drag). Hid chances are not good but it has been done from that far back before. Moreno is one hell of a good driver and has built a huge reputation as a substitute over the last few years, step into anyones car and go fast. If you see an interview he is also a nice guy.

Re:Only 5.5MPH behind! (2, Interesting)

cdh (6170) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207529)

The key word here is "substitute". He's not good enough to keep a steady ride since he lost his ride in Champ Car. He's not bad, but like you said, 5.5mph is huge. He needs great pit stops, attrition at the top, and some luck. It is, however, good to see an underfunded privateer team make the field, even though Indy is nothing compared to the old days (they almost didn't have enough cars to fill the 33 car field regardless of qualifying this year). Tony George must go.

Re:Only 5.5MPH behind! (1)

BCW2 (168187) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207789)

"Tony George must go."
Amen to that! His ego has destroyed open wheel racing in America. They don't even come close to selling out the 500 anymore. If they open all the grandstands they might sell more ticket to the NASCAR race in August.

Re:Only 5.5MPH behind! (1)

tbone1 (309237) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208029)

Tony George must go.

Ugh, please. CART was doing a lot to ruin the infrastructure of open-wheel racing before 1992, and the split was after 1995. When guys with the credentials that Jeff Gordon, Steve Kisner, and Jack Hewitt had couldn't even get someone to talk to them, that indicates a serious problem.

Do you want an answer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207093)

Will Moreno be able to pilot the penguin-tipped Indy car to victory next week at the 91st Indianapolis 500?
<obvious answer>Probably not.</obvious answer>

Just a hunch, but... (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207107)

Will Moreno be able to pilot the penguin-tipped Indy car to victory next week at the 91st Indianapolis 500?

I'm going to go with my gut instinct as a casual Indy fan and answer "no."

Re:Just a hunch, but... (1)

wellingj (1030460) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207199)

Microsoft said the same thing about another underdog... Weird how that one is playing out too...

Re:Just a hunch, but... (1)

tbone1 (309237) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207489)

Yeah, but as much as I root against the Penske team, I would NEVER bet against Roger Penske's drivers at Indy. Did you see what Sam Hornish did to Marco Andretti last year? Granted, having an Andretti lose at Indy is a fine family tradition, but ...

Re:Just a hunch, but... (1)

thetable123 (936470) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207879)

Yeah, but as much as I root against the Penske team,


You said root... in a linux story... but you didn't meat r00t... Damn I need a life... In the mean time I will just laugh at myself... Going away now...

Re:Just a hunch, but... (1)

jstretch78 (1102633) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207599)

Careful, Microsoft is now going to patent racing.

Re:Just a hunch, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207261)

Not unless all the other cars are powered by some variant of Windows.

Linux crashing less and all...

Obviously Microsoft... (2, Funny)

packetmon (977047) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207115)

Will Moreno be able to pilot the penguin-tipped Indy car to victory next week at the 91st Indianapolis 500? No they won't. Haven't you seen the latest latest latest news? Because the car is using Linux anywhere whether its on a sticker, under someone's breathe, it should be obvious that the car its owner, its pit crew, and the tires have infringed on MS patents. I thought you knew by now that Microsoft patented Indy 500.

Tux Car (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207147)

Yes.. but does it run......on gasoline? (close but no cookie here)

Re:Tux Car (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207293)

IRL cars run on 100% ethanol, no gasoline.

I think this would garner more attention (4, Insightful)

kkelly (69745) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207197)

if the indy car was actually RUNNING LINUX, someone please correct me if I am wrong. At least have the car's ECU running linux and geeks might take an interest. I personally find no interest in donating money to see tux included in a sea of advertising, what are we talking here, a few stickers? Yes, I know ANY publicity is good publicity and I really am a capitalist at heart, but I need a little more to open my wallet.....

Disappointing (2, Funny)

EsJay (879629) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207381)

Dang! I thought "penguin-tipped" meant a big ol' fiberglass penguin head on the car's nose.

Better yet would be a something like the 3-foot tall chicken on top of our local Broasted Chicken!! delivery car.

What do you want? Tux to autograph your shirt? (0, Troll)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207437)

I gotta love this place, any excuse to get out of doing something, let alone giving money to a worthwhile purpose. Kind of like that comment about this sites leadership who didn't care for the story and hence it wasn't made known to the community. One of the real reasons I find Digg so much more informing is that you don't have the site leadership slant you get here.

Look, there aren't asking for large sums from individuals. Throw them twenty bucks. At least it will be productive support instead of posts on random boards across the net proclaiming how much your type loves linux but "Project X" or "Project Y" isn't worthy of your support because of "pick a reason from the hat please"

Hell, do you associate with businesses that don't run Linux? Do you use products that don't use Linux? If so, whats your excuse? I mean, after all, if you won't support the mass advertisement this gains linux just because the car doesn't use it then you just don't get it. Linux isn't for EVERYTHING, but it damn well ain't going to be for much with people who hold others to requirements you never meet yourself.

Re:What do you want? Tux to autograph your shirt? (0, Flamebait)

cranos (592602) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207579)

I give money to worthwhile purposes, however this to my mind - you may have different views - is NOT a worthwhile purpose.

Re:I think this would garner more attention (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207547)

At least have the car's ECU running linux and geeks might take an interest.

Linux is probably not ideal for an ECU - you want a looping program running pretty much in realtime. It might be OK for some of the data-gathering/control hardware though.

-b.

If it crashes... (4, Funny)

mtec (572168) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207255)

it'll probably be because of a faulty driver.

Re:If it crashes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207305)

Arf Arf!

(no mod points, that's the best that I can do)

Re:If it crashes... (1)

Sunburnt (890890) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207347)

Be sure to check for overheating hardware [flickr.com] as well.

we can fix him... (1)

dclozier (1002772) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208245)

wait... is the driver from nvidia?

Finally (2, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207291)

a valid place story for car analogies!

Linux is doing great, and doesn't need marketing (4, Interesting)

smilindog2000 (907665) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207325)

I know many of us Linux users would like to see it replace Windows as the dominate OS, but frankly, why should we care? We Linux users have a wonderful OS that does everything a big geek like me could want, and far more than Windows can do. Saving Joe Sixpack the $70 he pays Microsoft to buy a machine with Windows pre-loaded isn't a cause I get excited about.

I love making predictions, and here's my prediction for the future of Linux: Linux will never beat Windows in the market place. Instead, a new market will emerge for ultra-cheap computers (as in OLPC). Super-cheap computers with lots of RAM and non-volatile storage will one day cost $100 (in 2007 dollars). When this happens, Microsoft will not be able to compete against free Linux as the dominant OS on these machines. There just isn't enough profit per device to support Microsoft-like company. Instead Linux, or a derivative of GNU/Linux software, will power our new ultra-cheap devices. I think Microsoft understands this low-end disruption threat, and that's why they're so desperate to push Windows CE derivatives. However, the bean counters at Microsoft will always try to kill off unprofitable efforts like Windows CE, as the market, margins, and profit just aren't there compared to selling high-end software for high-end machines.

If you think this idea is crazy, have you heard about the iPhone? It may not run Linux proper, but it's clearly in the GNU/open-source camp. Operating systems are mature technology, no longer worth much money. Apple showed great insight in dumping their own, and running with the free stuff. This gives them a huge advantage over Microsoft in the future battle for smart consumer devices. Others will follow Apple's lead, and dump Windows for GNU/Linux as the super low-cost PC/personal-computing-device market emerges. In the end, GNU/Linux will prevail, but never on the traditional high-end desktop that Joe Sixpack buys for web surfing, games, and porn.

Re:Linux is doing great, and doesn't need marketin (1)

nelsonal (549144) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207481)

Here's my prediction, Windows will be free too, but the money will be in providing the internet offered services to those $100 dollar computers. Why do you think Microsoft was willing to lose $2 billion/yr on the xBox project? (Hint, they could care less about bringing FPS to non-geeks). Do you really think search engine ads were going to be worth $100 billion?

Re:Linux is doing great, and doesn't need marketin (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207745)

Mostly, I think it is because MS makes working in IT suck.
To propose a car analogy, the automobile industry actually pioneered Microsoft's philosophy anyway... Today, a million mechanics will spend 6 hours repairing something that could be performed in 30 minutes, wasting our time and ensuring the OEM recieves a cut. Billions of dollars will also be wasted due to their unwillingness to farm out 50 year old technology that could be produced many smaller independent companies. Instead of a simple component benefiting from standardization ($20) it will cost upwards of $200 and take all day to replace. People will waste a good portion of their lives today making up for the difference. That difference will pay an annoying advertiser.

Re:Linux is doing great, and doesn't need marketin (1)

irtza (893217) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208237)

There is one problem with this line of thought. One is peoples perception of cheap or free. Take cell phones for instance. If one factors in the cost of a subscription, free cell phone deals aren't really that great due to the lockin. How does MS compete with free? Make things subscription based. If they give away these one hundred dollar computers that only work w/ MS online technologies, they can keep your data on a server. At that point, you will have to use their technology to access it. Same principle as people using word documents. They can control your access to your own data making a 100 dollar linux device as worthless as a rock. Once this is done, they can give away binary only copies of windows to the manufacturers who in all likelyhood will be happy to accept the MS lockin system.

if it makes you feel better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19208287)

nobody watches Indy anyway - a F1 fan a work w/told me the Indy 500 is only the 3rd most attended/watched race at that track, trailing both the F1 & NASCAR races held there...

maybe we can raise enough $ to put Dale Jr. in a "tux" car for next year... :D

Yeah, but does it run Linux? (0, Redundant)

3.14159265 (644043) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207327)

Got to wonder :)

To be honest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207389)

I don't want to see limp wristed race car drivers like Stallman and Torevalds, which the NASCAR equivlent to them would be gay Jeff Gordon.

Maybe I'm missing something but..... (1)

Wookietim (1092481) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207411)

Why is the Linux community financing a race car? Why do something stupid like that?

Is this a joke? (1)

timesearch (1097547) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207543)

This car has about as much chance of winning at Indy as Linux has of relieving Windows of its 90+ percent desktop ownership. However, had the discussion been strictly about Indy racing and the level of funding a team needs (which is mind numbing), and to what ends team owners go to get funding, it would actually have been a good thread.

But the Patents..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19207611)

The article forget to mention that the linux car violates 500 additional microsoft patents including but not limitied to microsoft secretly owning the F1 as well as "creating" racing.

Despite? (2, Insightful)

DaveCar (189300) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207689)

"Despite generating over $12K in funds, well short of the $250K goal, the Tux 500 Project was able to secure a spot in the Indy 500"

Hang on. Despite generating over $12K in funds ... the Tux 500 Project was able to secure a spot in the Indy 500? Did generating over $12K hinder them somehow?

Do you mean that despite not getting anywhere near the $250k goal they still managed to secure a spot? If so, why not say something along those lines rather than the confusing babble presented?

I'm not being a grammar Nazi here - the grammar looks fine to me (and mine isn't the best) - but it's just that it makes no sense and you have read the line 5 times to work out what it is trying to say. Could we have some, y'know, editor type stuff going on here?

5 mph is a big difference (3, Insightful)

porsche911 (64841) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207701)

The "only 5.5 MPH" difference huge. That's about 4 seconds a lap which means that over a 500 mile race on a 2.5 mile track, the 1st place car will lap the 31st place car 5 times. When you factor in driver ability, strategy and pitstops, the difference will be much greater. The top 3 cars in the race will probably be within .25 second of each other after 500 miles.

In general, the cars are much slower now than they used to be. The 225.817MPH of the 1st place car would have been very far back in the grid compared with the 240 MPH+ of 10 or 15 years ago. I wish him luck.

Re:5 mph is a big difference (1)

Oswald (235719) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207891)

In general, the cars are much slower now than they used to be. The 225.817MPH of the 1st place car would have been very far back in the grid compared with the 240 MPH+ of 10 or 15 years ago. I wish him luck.

I don't follow the sport, so I went and checked. It looks like speeds dropped hard (about 10mph) after 1996. I can figure out that they changed the rules, but why? Driver safety? Fan safety? Cost?

Re:5 mph is a big difference (4, Interesting)

tbone1 (309237) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208191)

The speeds were reduced mostly for safety but also cost. The fastest lap turned at the 500 was in 1996 by Arie Luyendyk, at more than 239MPH. He said that he wasn't sure he was going to make it through turn 1, and hitting a concrete wall at 240 MPH is not safe, no matter how the car is made. That year, Scott Brayton, the pole sitter, was killed in a practice crash where the high speeds contributed to the severity of the impact. All the drivers and teams in the race agreed that the speeds were just too high and welcomed the slower speeds. (Think about that for a second.)

Since then, the league's emphasis has been on safety. (In fact, the first innovation at the track was in the first race, when Ray Herroun put a rearview mirror on the car since he didn't have a riding mechanic to look back.) They changed the specs, which resulted in reduced speeds, and started requiring more safety features in the chassis. Speeds have gone back up, since the engineers are clever and can figure out how to get more out of less as time goes on. (A couple years ago, someone figured out how to reshape the rear-view mirrors to allow for more downforce, to use but one example.) Tony George also spent his own money on the SAFER (Steel and Foam Energy Reduction) barriers that are now common on tracks; they certainly saved Rolf Schumacher's life at the 2005 USGP. One of the benefits touted about the new ethanol engines is that they get better mileage, so they can reduced fuel load which makes for safer cars. And so on. It's still a dangerous sport, but having seen the wrecks that Davey Hamilton and Kenny Brack, I'm amazed that both of them not only survived but came back to race later.

I took the family to Pole Day qualifications, and there really isn't much difference you can see, sitting in the front row or high up, between 220MPH and 230MPH. I don't know if there will ever be a new track record at the 500, but I can live with that; the drivers are more likely to, as well.

Somewhere in Redmond... (1)

boyfaceddog (788041) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207719)

Bill Gates is on his knees, right now. If you losten closely, you can hear his prayer;

"Please please please, somone film the crash."

One Word (1)

CharlieG (34950) | more than 7 years ago | (#19207935)

There is a word for this kind of race entry

Backmarker

Nuff said

i wrote about it in my /. journal (3, Insightful)

razpones (1077227) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208019)

I for one wrote a little note asking if it was worth it to give money to this project. I did give them some money, and as a fan of racing (car and motorcycle and cycling), am exited to watch the race and root for the #77 car. Not only they are one of the under dogs out there (they even lost the first driver in a crash in the qualifying rounds) but a lot of the linux community was against them in a bad way, apparently even /., so more of an under dog IMHO. The new driver is a seasoned driver that has always been a "replacement" driver, but he is no doubt a good driver (better than the original in my opinion), also driving a formula one car, he even has won a few races in the champ car and the formula 3000 leagues. He also was running as of sunday morning practice in 13 place. I hope he does well, and just by being in the race it has proved that projects like this deserve the attention of the community, advertising anything in any media is very expensive and this is a good conduit to reach average people, or do we don't want to see Linux advertised at all?.

Dark Horse - I mean real Dark Horse (1)

HW_Hack (1031622) | more than 7 years ago | (#19208131)

But probaly not toast - guys got plenty of experience - just not top finisher ... I'll say he finishes in 20th

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Roberto Moreno (born Roberto Pupo Moreno, February 11, 1959 in Rio de Janeiro) is a former Formula One driver from Brazil. He participated in 75 grands prix, achieved 1 podium, and scored a total of 15 championship points. He raced in CART in 1986, and was Formula 3000 champion (in 1988) before joining Formula 1 full-time in 1989. He returned to CART in 1996 and raced full-time until 2003. He currently drives as a temporary substitute and test driver in both Champ Car and IndyCar.

Indy 500 results
Year Chassis Engine Start Finish
1986 Lola Cosworth 32nd 19th
1994 Lola Ford-Cosworth Failed to Qualify
1999 G-Force Oldsmobile 23rd 20th
2007 Panoz Honda 31st

apt-get??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19208185)

So is this driver in the repositories?
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