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PC World 's Best 100 Products of 2007

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the have-to-love-those-product-lists dept.

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javipas writes "The popular PC World magazine has published its annual list of the 100 best products of the year, with a few surprises on it. Google Apps Premiere Edition ranks first, with 4 other service products on the list. Apple has six products on it, with Tiger — a two-year old OS — on the ninth position. Microsoft and Dell have four each, and Canon and Nikon, three. Ubuntu 7.04 has made it, and has entered on the 16th position. That makes you think about the kind of ranking process, doesn't it?"

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Rubbish (5, Insightful)

Edie O'Teditor (805662) | more than 7 years ago | (#19222975)

Save it for December already!

Re:Rubbish (4, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223097)

Come on man, we have to get the jump on these things. VH1 is scheduled to show "I Love 2007" on Friday, with "I Love 2008" being shown the following week. There will be a retrospective on the 2000-2010 decade in June, with the extravaganza "I love the 2000s" covering the greatest hits of the entire 21st century to air on July 4th, 2007.

Re:Rubbish (0, Flamebait)

HullBreachOnline.com (1104555) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223471)

...and the host of the show will be a snivelling teenage rocker, born in 2011 who claims to vividly remember the decade as an expert. Special guests include the kids of Anna Nicole Smith and Britney Spears because their parents' names were thought of so highly in the timeframe of "I Love the 2000s", according to VH1.

Re:Rubbish (2, Insightful)

Animaether (411575) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223207)

where's my mod points already? Troll? More like INSIGHTFUL. Even though it shouldn't take any insight to realize that you can't claim "car of the year 2007" in february either - but I guess it's more profitable not to be insightful. Perhaps the Troll mod that parent poster got is evidence thereof.

Re:Rubbish (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223239)

I don't think it's a list of 2007 released stuff.
I think it's their 2007 list of stuff. If you see what I mean.

And 2007 cars came out last year, 6 months into 2006.
As they always have.

IOW... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19223701)

(Best 100 products) of 2007, not Best (100 products of 2007)

Re:Rubbish (1)

Convector (897502) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224679)

2007 cars have always come out 6 months into 2006? They didn't only do that once? Likewise, I'm sure that more than 2,007 cars came out last year. It's clear what you meant, of course. I'm just being amused by the phrasing.

December, try January! (2, Insightful)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224073)

I'd rather look back on the whole year rather than 11/12ths of it. Or are we just saying that December is totally irrelevant?

This ridiculous game of one-upmanship that people play with each other to try to get their annual reviews in ahead of others, etc is just ridiculous. Frankly, it just makes them look stupid.

And while I'm on the subject, why the hell does EA title the annual releases of their sports game for the following years rather than the years that they're published? Are people really stupid enough to think that when they buy Madden 2008 this year that they're somehow getting next year's game in advance?

Re:December, try January! (2, Informative)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224781)

I can only speak to two franchises, because they're the ones I've played, but:

For Madden, the game is numbered according to the year the Superbowl takes place in. For the '07-'08 season, of course, that's '08.

For the MLB franchise the name of which I can't remember, the game was numbered according to the year the Series took place in, which means that MLB '07 would represent the '07 season.

Re:Trusted Computing and GPL3 FUD... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19224491)

In this period of FUD Against GPL3 We have understimate some problem?

Based on the new specification and SoH protocol, users now have an NAP client that is built into Microsoft Windows Vista to communicate with a TNC server. In addition, they can mix and match which NAP tools they want to use -- for example Longhorn Server, when it's released -- in concert with tools offered by TNC, a consortium of NAC vendors offering a variety of tools.

"It makes it easier for an NAC rollout," Hanna said, noting that many users are on the fence about an NAC deployment because of the uncertainty of future interoperability.

http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/originalCon tent/0,289142,sid7_gci1255666,00.html [techtarget.com]

Printer friendly link (4, Informative)

dalmiroy2k (768278) | more than 7 years ago | (#19222977)

Re:Printer friendly link (1)

oik (790336) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223837)

s/less/fewer/ :)

Less Ads (1)

andrewd18 (989408) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223849)

Less ads:

Adblock Plus [mozilla.org]

Re:Printer friendly link (1)

Mystery00 (1100379) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224199)

Ads? What ads?

Re:Printer friendly link (3, Insightful)

eMbry00s (952989) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224837)

What's the point of doing that when the article itself is a humongous ad?

(don't answer, I know)

Um. No. (1)

singingjim1 (1070652) | more than 7 years ago | (#19222989)

That last question makes me think that the submitter should get -1 Troll for the actual submission.

Um? Time Warp? (3, Insightful)

ericdano (113424) | more than 7 years ago | (#19222997)

Is something messed up over there at PC World? Vista clocks set wrong?

How can you do a Best of 2007 when we aren't even half way through 2007????? Seriously. 2009 cars coming out next week?

I like compression and all, but moving political primaries up, now this.

Re:Um? Time Warp? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19223057)

I don't think so. Vista is not even on the list!

Re:Um? Time Warp? (1, Interesting)

mabu (178417) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223211)

The whole story is basically one long advertisement.

These days there is no distinction between editorial and advertising, thanks to the Fairness Doctrine [bsalert.com] being eliminated. While the FD never affected specialty print publications like PC World, the fact that for the most part, all mainstream media shamelessly panders to their advertisers has made the notion of objective reviewing almost nonexistent.

Re:Um? Time Warp? (2, Funny)

ronadams (987516) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223675)

I had to make sure and reply to this and voice my disagreement with the Fairness Doctrine, and it's insane precepts of controlling free speech in the interests of assuring minority (or even majority) opinions are given a free platform, at the cost of our most precious first amendment rights. I just had to make sure and do that, you see. ...I'd hate the parent to get modded down for violating the Fairness Doctrine.

Re:Um? Time Warp? (0, Offtopic)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224499)

A is B. While A is not B, I still want A to be B. LALALALALALA.

Re:Um? Time Warp? (4, Funny)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223223)

How can you do a Best of 2007 when we aren't even half way through 2007?????

It's like how I get my May issue in April, or my May 6 issue on April 29, or do my 45-minute hour with my consultant, or buy my 1.5'' x 3.5'' two-by-four, or buy my 1080p PS3 that downscales to 720p, or have a mortgage rate of 5.9% that really means a 6.1% annual interest rate, or learn about an inflation rate of 2.5% that jumps to 3.5% if I have to do anything crazy like buy food or energy.

(Btw, anyone know how to get Canon's powershot to upload to YouTube without making the sound out-of-sync?)

Re:Um? Time Warp? (4, Interesting)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223365)

Don't forget that most of the articles in the May edition of Magazine were written back in March.

It's a vicious cycle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19223277)

- best products of 2006 are listed in June
- so companies release their 2007 products between January and May
- so best products of 2007 are listed in May
- ...

Re:Um? Time Warp? (1)

untaken_name (660789) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223303)

On a related note, I saw the first Christmas displays going up the other day. Only what, 216 shopping days left?

Re:Um? Time Warp? (2, Funny)

weg (196564) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223355)

How can you do a Best of 2007 when we aren't even half way through 2007?????

Well, as a result, Mac OS X Tiger (released April 2005) barely made it in.. ;-)

Re:Um? Time Warp? (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223507)

The same way I just bought the August edition of my favourite comic?

Iphone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19223019)

it will be released in 2007..

Top 100 advertisers? (5, Insightful)

lintocs (723324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223039)

Reads like a who's-who of PC World Advertisers...

Did they rate them by number of ads, or total dollars spent?

Re:Top 100 advertisers? (0)

mabu (178417) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223155)

My thoughts exactly. This is a list of the top 100 products who have companies that schmooze PC World's editors the most effectively.

Re:Top 100 advertisers? (3, Insightful)

leandrod (17766) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223199)

Indeed, they totally ignored the excellent 4/3 "standard" [wikipedia.org] in use by Olympus, Panasonic and Leica, to choose totally proprietary, unexceptional Nikon and Canon cameras. I bet Nikon and Canon have far bigger digicam ad budgets.

4/3 wikipedia entry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19223605)

What the heck does this mean in the wikipedia article on four thirds?

"Four Thirds is an open standard, however, as it does not meet the "allowing anyone to use" criteria commonly accepted as the definition of an open standard."

Does that make sense?

Re:Top 100 advertisers? (3, Insightful)

jmitchel!jmitchel.co (254506) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223689)

Eh - 4/3rds just isn't an especially lovable standard. It pushes the sensor size a bit smaller than a lot of DSLR people would really like to see. I'd have to use some pretty ridiculously wide lenses to get a decently wide Field Of View. The 1.5x crop sensors that the rest of the DSLR makers (Nikon / Canon / Pentax) use are already a bit small.

I could almost forgive the small sensors if the manufacturers were really doing nice, innovative things with them, but the 4/3rds cameras are (unless I've missed something) staying relatively clunky/large, and features like live preview aren't being done well yet.

Re:Top 100 advertisers? (5, Insightful)

thetable123 (936470) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224171)

Both you and Nikon are missing the point of the Nikon lens mount. The beauty of it is (or at least should be that you can take any lens of any Nikon and put it on any other Nikon. I have a 40 year old lens I can still shoot with it on my brand new Nikon. When you buy into a camera, you are buying into a lens system too. (That is unless the lenses are nothing to write home about.) The lens puts the picture on the film (or sensor), the body just holds everything else in place. Nikon lately has started missing the boat on the low to mid level cameras with compatibility. If I can't use my old Nikon lenses with a new Nikon camera, then I have no real reason to stick with Nikon.

As to TFA, I can't be the only one is is sick of "Top XX" articles from an (at best) mediocre advertising supplement.

Re:Top 100 advertisers? (1)

epine (68316) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224991)

As to TFA, I can't be the only one is is sick of "Top XX" articles from an (at best) mediocre advertising supplement.


If XX represents a quantity greater than 10, the article is worthless, unless the complement is "of all time" and even there it's dicey for most categories Y.

The human brain can track roughly 200 people among our immediate social network and community. For art forms with a strong infusion of human personality (the auteur factor) we might manage a "top 100 movies of all time" list. For consumer gadgets, a top ten list (of all time) is already pushing things, unless the list documents nostalgia rather than greatness.

For any other values of XX and Y, the list is a modern day equivalent of a trenchcoat lined with watches.

4/3rds Not "Standard"--Hope you like the Crop tool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19224173)

I owned an Olympus E-500 for a while. Regardless of my opinion of the picture quality or advanced features of this camera, the 4/3rds frame ratio stinks. The fact that it's smaller than the APS-C-sized sensor didn't help but didn't hurt. I went back to Nikon.

The Oly produces pictures that do not fit any photo processor's standard print sizes. Get ready to crop, crop, crop 'til you drop (or get a hand cramp). You can send Canon/Nikon images straight to a photo processor if you're lazy; they're close enough. Nobody has figured out how to auto-crop the Oly images, and unless you crop every one by hand you'll be disappointed. Doing this hundreds of times for every shooting session is not how I wanted to spend my afternoons.

It's also pointless to buy an 8 or 10 MP camera if you're going to discard 2MP of every image.

Finally, 4/3rds isn't an open standard; they're all made by or pay fees to Olympus. Canon produces their own sensors and Nikon uses Sony sensors but at least they're the same size as the old APS-C film frames, so there's some history and experience with lenses of that magnification factor and processors know how to correctly print the images. Sony/Minolta, Pentax, Samsung, Fuji, and Sigma also use this sensor size so it's hard to call it proprietary or non-standard.

Re:Top 100 advertisers? (1)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224927)

From your wikipedia link:

"Four Thirds is not an open standard, however, as it does not meet the "allowing anyone to use" criteria commonly accepted as the definition of an open standard."

Re:Top 100 advertisers? (0)

Bent Mind (853241) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223419)

It's PC World. What do you expect? It's always been a low quality magazine. I never have understood why people read it.

Counterexample (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19223663)

4 people modded this up, 3 people posted replies above me, and no one mentions the obvious counterexample: Vista with its $500 million marketing campaign doesn't make the list.

Nikon D40X in 23rd (5, Interesting)

denisbergeron (197036) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223071)

Wow ! I realy don't know why this on was there, but, every photographer out there think that a bad camera because the lack of AF-motor and the impossibility to use half the lenses of Nikon !

Don't worry too much about it (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223189)

The list is chock-full of piles of shit that have superior competition. It's paid advertising. Nothing to see here, move along.

yay abuse of moderation (0, Offtopic)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223787)

Once again, I get modded Troll when saying the same thing has others modded insightful. Can there be any doubt that the moderation system does not work?

Re:yay abuse of moderation (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223883)

Considering the whole list is one giant opinion, and your only real argument in favor of your position is that you personally disagree, I'd say troll is appropriate.

Re:yay abuse of moderation (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223985)

Considering the whole list is one giant opinion, and your only real argument in favor of your position is that you personally disagree, I'd say troll is appropriate.

Considering that you clearly don't understand what Troll means, I'd say I hope you never get mod points.

Trolling is making a statement that you do not believe in order to elicit a desired response.

I believed what I said, and therefore I was not trolling.

If you don't understand/agree with this, read the moderation guidelines until you do. They're not very complicated and they're written in fairly understandable English.

Say what now? (2, Interesting)

mcmonkey (96054) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224387)

Considering the whole list is one giant opinion, and your only real argument in favor of your position is that you personally disagree, I'd say troll is appropriate.

So a whole article of opinion is worthy of the front page, but expressing an opinion on those opinions is troll?

Re:yay abuse of moderation (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19224571)

"Trolling" is posting in such a way as to illicit angry responses from people on the forum - getting them to "bite". Whether the poster believes what he's posting is irrelevant. The phrasing and intent are what matters.

Re:yay abuse of moderation (0, Offtopic)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224747)

"Trolling" is posting in such a way as to illicit angry responses from people on the forum - getting them to "bite". Whether the poster believes what he's posting is irrelevant. The phrasing and intent are what matters.

As usual, the coward is ignorant.

When you believe what you're writing, it's called Flamebait. Of course, lately any opinion I express is modded as a Troll, so clearly it isn't about my opinion, but the fact that I have one.

When you don't believe what you're writing, that is trolling.

The fact that you don't already know this marks you as a newbie poseur. Those of us who have been around for some time are already aware.

And if you would bother to read the moderation FAQ, you could see that slashdot indeed officially utilizes these definitions, although again, anyone venerable knows them already.

Re:yay abuse of moderation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19224043)

Democratic moderation worked when Slashdot was a moderate-sized community largely composed of intelligent individualists.

As with any democratic method, and per the bell curve, the more participants that are attracted, the less intelligent the group as a whole becomes. And the larger the community grows, the less individualistic [wikipedia.org] they become. The results of a combination of growing mob mentality and diminished collective intelligence are what you might expect.

It's not an abuse of moderation; it's collective (d)evolution.

Re:Nikon D40X in 23rd (1)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223489)

How can two Nikons rank higher than the one Canon they put on the list? They obviously forgot about the 1D MkIII. Seriously, a camera that shoots 10 10-megapixel pictures in one second deserves to be on the list.

Re:Nikon D40X in 23rd (1)

jmtpi (17834) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223977)

How can two Nikons rank higher than the one Canon they put on the list? They obviously forgot about the 1D MkIII. Seriously, a camera that shoots 10 10-megapixel pictures in one second deserves to be on the list.

I don't think the 1D MkIII (a pro-level camera) is the market that PC World is interested in. I am surprised to see that the Canon 30D made the list but the 5D did not. (Since the 5D has brought a full-frame sensor to the "consumer" market.) They also put the Nikon D40x above the Nikon D80. This is arguably reasonable but indicates strongly that price plays a big role in their listing. So clearly their list is aimed at the electronics consumer who wants a spiffy new dSLR, not the hobbyist photographer. Hobbyist photographers don't read PC World for camera advice.

Re:Nikon D40X in 23rd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19224183)

PC World is not a camera magazine, so I don't expect them to judge cameras like photographers do. Camera reviews in tech sections of newspapers and computer magazines are almost always laughable. Unfortunately, they all think it's okay because cameras now have CPU's and RAM.

The same goes for a few other products on their list. It's not just cameras.

Re:Nikon D40X in 23rd (1)

JurassicPizza (972175) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224361)

The D40X isn't marketed to photographers. It and the D40 are marketed to "normal" people who want the benefits of a DSLR.

If you're a photographer, get a D80, D200, or D2 series.

Where's Vista? (0, Flamebait)

peacefinder (469349) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223091)

You'd think Vista would make a PCWorld top 100 list, wouldn't you?

Ouch.

Re:Where's Vista? (2, Insightful)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223205)

Well since Dell have had to continue selling XP after they stopped... Due to public pressure, I can safely assume it wasn't a good product. I haven't used it, but only one person I know who has used it actually likes it, and he moved straight from a Windows 2000 to Vista, everyone I know who had an XP prefers it to Vista.

Re:Where's Vista? (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223421)

I used XP since it came out, and got both Vista for my desktop and a Macbook Pro as a new Laptop at about the same time. Vista, to me, seems to be more.. idiot proof? You can't easily get to the network connections screen anymore, you have to open 2 other screens and find the small text only link to actually view your network connections. With my Mac, I don't know, the UI is beautiful, the apps run nicely, and it does everything I want. I've only got one complaint, and that's not Apple's fault, but there's not many games. Popcap games are fun, but I have to go to Vista to play 'em.

I prefer Vista over XP, but OS X over both.

Re:Where's Vista? (1)

fredricodagreat (1005203) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223329)

Not so much. Adding Vista to the list would be like adding Windows ME to the list of the best products for 1999. It's a terrible OS, it hogs resources and there is no innovation.

Re:Where's Vista? (5, Insightful)

peacefinder (469349) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223503)

I'm not saying that it's good or bad; I haven't used Vista at all so I have no basis to judge. I'm just kinda shocked that PCWorld didn't include the latest PC operating system in a top 100 list.

That's a conspicuous silence which speaks volumes about Vista.

Re:Where's Vista? (3, Insightful)

spisska (796395) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224381)

I'm just kinda shocked that PCWorld didn't include the latest PC operating system in a top 100 list.

But they did include the latest. Ubuntu is at number 16.

Re:Where's Vista? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19225107)

Ubuntu is the recentest, "latest" means "most late" and applies to Vista.

Being Honest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19224789)

When a major retailer like Dell has to sell XP again because Vista machines have so many problems (believe me, I've had to fix _brand new_ Dells with Vista), you have to think there's some honesty in NOT including it.

So maybe it is based somewhat on advertising dollars spent, but you have to give them at least some credit for honesty. Vista does not deserve to be called a "best" product at all. It's mediocre at best and a complete nightmare if you run more than a few applications.

Maybe SP1 will be better, but I, for one, don't intend to run the piece of crap. The only reason I use XP at all is because I was able to legally get a copy of the corporate version, sans activation and most of that other crap.

Ratings Race (2, Funny)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223123)

...annnnd coming around the halfway mark it's McAfee SiteAdvisor edging out Canonical Ubuntu 7.04 by a length with Microsoft Xbox 360 Elite hot on their tail. Pioneer Elite 1080p PRO-FHD1 is neck-and-neck with RIM Blackberry 8800 but wait ... Apple Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" is coming up strong on the outside turn passing Adobe Premiere Elements 3.

Re:I don't want to hear it... (1)

philpalm (952191) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223255)

I'm putting on my sound blocking earplugs and ignoring the rest of the rants...

Hmmm. (1)

jd (1658) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223417)

This would be better done as a Murray Walker impression, complete with totally inaccurate predictions and a pants-on-fire delivery. Or, at least, it would reflect rankings and prognostications in IT better than the athletic commentators who are generally more sober.

Missing cool item (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223127)

How about the Samsung u740 cellphone? It's the size of the Motorola razor, but isn't held together by hopes and dreams, and has a handy-dandy keyboard for texting (and of course it flips both up and to the side for calling and texting, respectively). Probably the best mobile phone I've owned, as it's compact but very functional and well-built.

Yes there was totally an ad for it on this particular Slashdot page just now :-P which is why I thought of it, but I do think it deserves a spot if something like the latest GeForce card is there (can it mow my lawn for me yet or it still just for marginally better graphics?).

Re:Missing cool item (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223161)

How about the Samsung u740 cellphone? It's the size of the Motorola razor, but isn't held together by hopes and dreams

I've dropped my V3i from waist height onto concrete (result: battery compartment flew off, not a scratch on the unit) and onto carpet (sometimes no result, sometimes battery compartment flies off) also without damaging it.

In addition, the thing rattles around in my pocket, an environment that has seen the demise of no less than two palmpilots and two handspring visor deluxes.

People who claim that the razr is weak are selling something.

Re:Missing cool item (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223275)

It's been improved recently, I admit. 3 of my friends have one; though the UI is rubbish and the reception for a couple of them isn't killer. I think that both may be due to the service provider and not the phone.

The battery compartment does fly off a lot when it's dropped, I know from experience myself :-) can't really say that's a good thing since the more crap flies off the more crap can be stepped on by accident or find its way under a couch or go down an elevator shaft, heh :-P

Motorola still has no excuse for the HELLOMOTO song, though. Whenever I hear that thing, I just wish I had a real Hammer of Dawn so I could annihilate the offender ^^

Re:Missing cool item (3, Funny)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223385)

It's been improved recently, I admit. 3 of my friends have one; though the UI is rubbish and the reception for a couple of them isn't killer. I think that both may be due to the service provider and not the phone.

No RAZR has good reception, although the V3i and later have acceptable service. The UI is indeed Motorola's fault and it does suck, but the next generation of RAZR is stronger yet slimmer (they used more metal in the phone) and runs Linux, with a brand-new interface.

The battery compartment does fly off a lot when it's dropped, I know from experience myself :-) can't really say that's a good thing since the more crap flies off the more crap can be stepped on by accident or find its way under a couch or go down an elevator shaft, heh :-P

While you have a point, the door is cheap and having it fly off is preferable to having something crack. Seems sort of like a French car, which has a tendency to explode in an accident instead of crumple, as an alternative means of dispelling energy.

Motorola still has no excuse for the HELLOMOTO song, though. Whenever I hear that thing, I just wish I had a real Hammer of Dawn so I could annihilate the offender ^^

Now you have reached a subject upon which you and I cannot agree more strongly.

so the #1 product (4, Insightful)

asv108 (141455) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223141)

Is essentially a web e-mail service for businesses with extra applications, but there is no protection against data loss or leaks. [pcworld.com]

Google's terms of service for Google Apps has some alarming boilerplate about the company not being responsible for lost data.

I think a lot of organizations will have qualms about sensitive files living on some Google server somewhere.

Re:so the #1 product (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19223313)

some alarming boilerplate

Which is in every EULA, ever.

Re:so the #1 product (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223517)

Which is what makes it boilerplate...

Re:so the #1 product (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19223493)

Not many places provide a guarantee about losing data. We have a spent a couple hundred thousand dollars on an enterprise backup system and it does not come with a data guarantee either. Find a place online that does guarantee your data and list what you find for all of us to see. Here's a hint for you while searching for one, many will provide details that the data is backed on some type of routine schedule but still no guarantee that the data will not be lost and/or recoverable.

Re:so the #1 product (0)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223659)

I don't know about disk backups but I honestly believe tape backup is a fraud past 1TB. 90% of the backup companies don't have any legit instructions for recovery. After that you have to go thru so many tapes by the time you do recover, your business is done.

Re:so the #1 product (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223553)

And the moment they add any sort of data loss guarantee, they'll start getting support calls from Sally in Accounting because she "accidentally" clicked the delete button, then confirmed twice that she really wanted to do it...

how many people... (5, Funny)

brunascle (994197) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223271)

...just scrolled through the list to make sure vista wasnt there?

Re:how many people... (1)

LastStandingFootman (1102573) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223433)

I did.

Re:how many people... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223555)

Scroll? Nah, just . Scrolling is so 1994.

OS X Tiger (4, Interesting)

sootman (158191) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223289)

If you want to be generous in your interpretation, maybe you could say they included it to make the point that, even at two years old, it's still better than most of what's out there. (Reference: see almost every Vista review out there. Their quip: "Name a good Vista feature that goes beyond what's in Tiger. Yeah, we can't either.") Speaking of Vista, it didn't make the list at all. Not 1st, not 99th, nowhere.

Craigslist also made the list, and that's what, 10 years old now? I guess the list means "100 best tech products that you can still get this year"--in which case OS X and CL definitely belong. It's "The 100 Best Products of 2007," not "The 100 Best NEW Products of 2007." (CL just gets better and better, though I wish they'd make the jump from plain text to a database so I could RELIABLY find Macintoshes without having to look for Apple and Mac and Macintosh and IMAC (OMG CAPS!!!!!11) They don't have to go all the way and make people specify VRAM and 10/100 vs. gigabit, but mfg-make-model-speed would be nice. It could all be optional, so retards who don't want to mess with dropdowns can just accept that they'll get fewer views.)

More than anything, any "best of" list that includes Adobe Premier is immediately suspect. :-)

If you want to get really picky, you could point out that 2007 is not over yet. You know what it is? I think it's "We Felt Like Making a List of a Bunch of Things We Like." Thank you, Slashdot, for slavishly supplying them with pageviews.

Suggested tag: slownewsday

Re:OS X Tiger (1)

schiefaw (552727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223673)

More than anything, any "best of" list that includes Adobe Premier is immediately suspect. :-)
I haven't used it in years, but I've heard in various podcasts (by FCP users) that the new Premier has a lot of nice features. As I recall, I heard that many of its features are directly applicable to podcasters.

Sorry, I don't have more details.

Re:OS X Tiger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19223759)

"More than anything, any "best of" list that includes Adobe Premier is immediately suspect. :-)"

OK, so you put a smiley at the end of your comment, but hardly a week goes by that some ignorant Mac user disses today's Adobe Premiere. And you know what, invariably that person is an old-timey Mac user who is still thinking of the OLD Premiere, before Adobe gutted it and rewrote it to the level of Final Cut Pro. The Premiere Pro and Premiere Elements of today has nearly nothing in common with the old Premiere. They are, in fact, much better than the old Premiere.

I'm not some PC-biased person, either. I'm a 20-year vet of the Mac (and a user of the original Premiere) who intensely dislikes Windows, yet I can see all the old Mac users who have not kept up with how some things have changed.

I mean, let's face it, you can't even spell the product or reproduce the entire product name (the listing was for Premiere Elements).

PS3? (2, Insightful)

pionzypher (886253) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223341)

Absent from the lineup is Sonys wonderchild.

Re:PS3? (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223423)

Absent from the lineup is Sonys wonderchild.
And the Wii is #3.
Maybe "Hi, I'm a Wii; And I'm a Playstation 3" [youtube.com] is why.

Re:PS3? (0)

pionzypher (886253) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223677)

Hah, that was my line of reasoning.

And again ... (2, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223347)

...online porn tops the list.

Not too bad, but... (3, Insightful)

Aphrika (756248) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223377)

I would've stuck the Core 2 architecture at #1 as it's made such a huge impact this year across all platforms; desktop, laptop and servers.. There are some notable omissions; the MacBook for one. Why is the overpriced MacBook Pro on there when the oh-so-cheap MacBook isn't? OneNote 2007 deserves a mention. I'd also like to think the Momento 70 digital picture frame should be on there - it's wireless and actually works properly with a PC.

Stuff that shouldn't be on there? iTunes (yawn) - yes, it's iTunes and in 2007 it's done nothing different from what it did in 2006. As I'm in the UK I'd also wager Apple TV too. The concept's nice, but until Apple start selling video over here, it's not particularly inspiring sat under my TV. Ditto for Adobe CS3 - until they start selling it an a realistic price in the UK, it's not getting my vote at all. We're paying something like $700 for a Photoshop CS2 > CS3 upgrade for Pete's sake!!

Oh yeah, and why are we doing top 100s in May again?

Re:Not too bad, but... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223545)

Well the MacBook Pro is actually a more powerful laptop then the MacBook is. ATI 256 Meg Video is a big thing, that makes it perform better then the MacBook. The Lumanating Keyboard, Light Sensor... The extras is what makes it better. Sure for most people the MacBook is a better value because it offers what most people need at a better price but if you need more the MacBook Pro is a better fit.

Price clearly wasn't a factor (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19223587)

They went from a $4000+ gaming PC which is the epitome of poor value for money to freeware like Firefox and Audacity.

This list is just a bunch of stuff some guy thinks is cool. If I cared about that I would read people's Amazon lists all day instead of Slashdot :)

Reminds of something (4, Insightful)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223393)

The awards list reminds of a manure spreader: Not much accuracy but lots of coverage.

#43, avsforum? (1)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223411)

Ok this is neither a consumer product (in the sense that it is sold for money) nor is it new for 2007! I suspect many other entries also fail one or both of these tests. So where is the top 100 list of things to smoke when writing for PC World to provide the most outrageous articles possible? Because THATS news I can use...

Hmm (5, Informative)

satellite17 (816105) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223531)

Well I'm not sure about the integrity of the article but there are a couple of things that stand out

Games:
Wii at no 3
XBox 360 elite at 18
PS3 nowhere to be seen.

The 360 has been out for over a year and I'm not sure how much 1080p and a bigger HDD make now, I guess in a couple of years when HD downloads become the norm this will make a difference. 1080p TVs have been quite rare in the UK until recently but I saw a very nice looking 40" Samsung the other day for about £1000 so I might treat myself at the end of the year.

(for the record I've got a 360 premium and a wii, I'll probably end up with a PS3 if FFXIII is exclusive but not before, too expensive at the moment!)

OSX Tiger at 9
Apple TV at 11
80GB iPod at 26
Macbook Pro at 82

No Zune
No Vista
I'm assuming that the HP DV900t 17" laptop runs Windows Media Center

iTunes at 61
WMP 11 at 91

So it looks like Apple "wins" over MS in the home media dept

Strangely on my XP box I use iTunes for music and WMP / VLC for Video. I just don't like Quicktime. No rational reason (now it plays video at full screen) but I just can't get on with it. It seems slow and unresponsive.

Still it looks like Apple were right to drop the computer from their name and go for the media market. I get the impression that they've always had the Pro market and so the move to consumer seems to be quite easy for them. (now if they'd just drop the phone bit from the iPhone and sell me a widescreen touch sensitive iPod I'd be a happy man)

Re:Hmm (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224517)

What, having a wide screen touch PDA that is alos a phone too much for you?

Don't buy a service with it, ta da!

yeah, I ahve better luck with VLC as well.

Re:Hmm (1)

prockcore (543967) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224727)

Don't buy a service with it, ta da!


That's impossible. You must buy a 2 year cingular contract with the iPhone.

Funny... (1)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223535)

I don't see Windows Vista on there...Wow...

PC World's top 100 advertisers.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19223559)

That list is rubbish. Where's for example the Nokia N95. The most advanced cellphone in the world to date!

Missing options! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19223635)

I was going to say "indoor plumbing" or "forks" or something that is fundamental to modern existence to be among the top 100 products you can buy in 2007, but those are probably just assumed to be given.

Well, it is PC World's list so I guess that should indicate the bias... I assume the list is the ranking of the top 100 advertisers to PC World.

I could live without all of those products (I rarely use a handful of them), but life would be very tough without running water.

What about the monkey? (1)

somegeekynick (1011759) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223875)

What if Gutsy Gibbon turns out to be better than Feisty Fawn, which, btw, will be released in a few months? Also, 7.04 is not an LTS(Long Term Service).

Better of the video phones (1)

Maznafein (1895) | more than 7 years ago | (#19223887)

I'm glad that SightSpeed [sightspeed.com] beat out Skype [skype.com] on this list. The video quality of SightSpeed is far superior. Works better on my mac as well.

Products of 2007 (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224319)

Already in place (or almost):
  • The terabyte hard disk.
  • $500 (or cheaper) flat screen HD TV.
  • Eclipse 3.3
  • Fedora 7 (and maybe 8)
  • Debian 4.0
  • Windows Vista (yes HATE me for that one...)

What we are waiting for:

  • Windows XP SP3 (any year now...)
  • Better roaming pricing four our mobile phones. (or as the US people calls them "cell phones" - which makes me think of prison cells :-) )
  • "Terminator" for president :-) (OK, I know, but watch "Demolition Man" first...)
  • The ultimate spam fighting application.
  • Fusion power plants. (Any decade now...)
  • Robots to do all the housekeeping, laundrywashing etc.
  • End of DRM and all the troubles it's bringing to ordinary consumers.
  • Cheap blue-ray/HD-DVD burners (or preferably better) so it will be easy to make backups of our new terabyte disks.
  • An operating system that's really secure without hampering the users by nagging them all the time.
  • The US going metric.

What we don't want:

  • More spam. (spam, spam, spam)
  • First massively spreading Vista virus/worm/malware.
  • More "Big Brother" mentality from our governments.
  • Yet more US troops in IRAQ.

The what, now? (2, Funny)

LMacG (118321) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224853)

"The popular PC World magazine "

As opposed to the tired old rag that I see on the newstand occasionally?

Thanks! (3, Insightful)

RocketScientist (15198) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224973)

Thanks to PC World for not making this a 10-page article with 10 items on each page, with gloriously large ads for each of the 10 products.

While we can argue on the merits of individual items on the list (which, arguably, is part of the reason to post such a list) the presentation format is top notch.

Opera (1)

DavenH (1065780) | more than 7 years ago | (#19224989)

It's too bad Opera 9.x didn't make the list. Maybe they couldn't find the script to make google apps run on it.
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