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80 Gig PS3 For South Korea, Slow April for Sony

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the business-bingo dept.

PlayStation (Games) 145

The South Koreans are about to see the PlayStation 3 launched in their nation, and they're getting a treat the rest of the world will have to wait on: a PS3 with an 80 gig hard drive. Meanwhile, NPD numbers show that the company's games division suffered greatly during April, likely as a result of few titles released during that month. "Though the company saw a bump in PSP sales, Nintendo DS continues to curb stomp the portable PlayStation. More disappointing, however, must have been seeing PlayStation 3 decline in sales of almost 50,000 units between March and April ... If April was tough, May looks bleaker. Karraker wouldn't speculate on sales, but outside of MLB 07: The Show's release at the end of April, there are no first-party releases coming to PS3 in May. In fact, there are only two May PS3 games period: Surf's Up and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End. Both are multi-platform releases."

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And yet... (2, Interesting)

Talgrath (1061686) | more than 7 years ago | (#19227479)

Sony's stock overall just hit a five year high due to their exceeding sales in other departments. Wonder if that 80 GB PS3 will come over here? Guess it doesn't matter that much, as you can purchase your own drives to put in the PS3.

Re:And yet... (2, Informative)

Lalakis (308990) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228343)

Sony's stock overall just hit a five year high due to their exceeding sales in other departments.

That's not really correct. Sony's stock raised after the electronics maker forecast a six-fold jump in annual profit on sales of LCD TVs and expectations for smaller losses in its game division.
Reuters article here [reuters.com]

Console News (4, Interesting)

MankyD (567984) | more than 7 years ago | (#19227493)

What I've found interesting is that I've been reading a lot of news about upcoming PS3 releases recently, (not necessarily releases coming this month of course.) Conversely, it seems that news about the Wii have been tapering off - certainly from what the volume when it was first released. xbox360 news seems to have been holding steady.

This is, of course, an entirely subjective observation. Anyone care to corroborate or counter what I've noticed?

Re:Console News (2, Interesting)

wframe9109 (899486) | more than 7 years ago | (#19227581)

Given the recent Sony event, this seems obvious.

However: Nintendo announced its (and a few 3rd party titles as well) Summer release schedule, and during this or before (I've forgotten) we found that Smash Bros, Galaxies, and Metroid are still set to ship this year :D

Re:Console News (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#19227661)

I have a PS3 and a 360. On the PS3 side, there's not a single game I like. I didn't even enjoy Resistance. However, it's a great BD player. Still glad I bought it. But the 360 has the games. I just bought Command and Conquer 3 and _it rocks_. And, of course, there's Dead Rising and Gears to keep me entertained too.

Sony better get their game on or they're gonna get trounced.

Re:Console News (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19228697)

Check, the Dreamcast 360 is a hit with dimwitted Xbots.

Thanks for sharing!

Did you just mention Gears of War???

Bwhahahaha!!!

A game so shitty that:

It can only handle 4vs4 online matches
No dedicated servers
P2P networking giving the usual buggy and laggy online play
Jags everywhere
Backgrounds smeared out with blur to hide the rendering artifacts
No more than 5-10 things on screen at once
Tiny, tiny rooms and corridors to constrain the amount of geometry the 360 can handle
Unified lighting model stripped out due to the 360 not being able to handle it

Yeah, golf clap Epic!

But, hey, they do know how to put out bogus marketing bullshots...

God how do I love bitter little fucks like you having their pathetic little fanboy lives crushed by Sony.

Let me guess you are gonna be a three time loser?

Dreamcast
Xbox
Dreamcast 360

Right, loser?

Re:Console News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19229077)

Wow I dont like to feed the trolls but making fun of some one for liking a certain game is very 5year old'ish. I could understand if it was Hello Kitty Island Adventure but gears of war is fun. I dont know many people that dont like it much (there are a few) but overall its got positive reviews. Then saying he is jealous of the PS3??? Of what? its massive failure? Lack of games? Shitty SHITTY GPU (ask any dev working on the PS3, it simply can't handle the poly count of the 360's GPU) Now I dont own either systems (i do have a friends 360 right now though) and this isn't to say the 360's without its weaknesses. In terms of raw CPU power from the devs I talk to the CORE has them beat. But you have to untangle the web of vector cores to truly unlock the power. My friend said it was a tough learn, but once you can use vector processors they are great!

Personally I try to keep an open mind and not bash either console but when I go to EBgames I just dont see a single title on the PS3 i want (EXCLUSIVE title that is). Even the games that may push me to buying a PS3 are no longer exclusive. GTA4 for example is a huge loss for Sony. The GTA series was the only reason I bought a PS2. Now we all now about the ONE-SIDED story on slashdot a few weeks ago where if you read the actual article, the rockstar rep said BOTH systems have their problems with GTA4 (the summary only said the 360 was limited....). Anyways not going to act 5 and call you a "loser" but when you take a post, take a single point of many (HE DID MENTION OTHER GAMES) and just bash him, and the system on a single game it doesn't exactly make you stand out as the brightest light on the block. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and apparently you hate Gears of War, and feel that there is a strong reason to like the PS3 (but you didn't give any reasons...). If you are going to bash a certain position, give your own or it comes off as trollish. You did have some valid points about areas where Gears of War could have been improved, but instead of just stating you felt that the game was overrated, you acted 5 and had your point completely lost in a mass of gibberish.

Re:Console News (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#19229333)

He's just a shitty troll. A good troll wouldn't have used hot words like "xbot" or written such a long and convoluted post. Sad, really. The anti-trolling efforts at /. have driven away the funny trolls, leaving us with nothing to laugh at but the lamest of the lame.

Here's to a Naked and Petrified Natalie Portman, along with a bowl of hot grits!

Re:Console News (3, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#19227665)

The reduction in scope of E3 (and delaying it until later in the year) has had an unintended consequence of every major publisher doing their own micro conference in May to release information about the second half of the year.

Sony did their Gamer's Day press conference last week (or the week before, I really can't remember) and many third parties joined in on releasing a lot of information about upcomming PS3/PSP games ... There was something like 40 games announced with details being released over the days following the conference.

Nintendo is doing a very similar conference today and tomorow and will (likely) have a similar number of titles announced.

Even without new titles, if you check out release dates the Wii has roughly the same number of titles announced until the end of the year as the PS3. The main difference is the Wii has far (FAR) more titles being released before September than the PS3 does; it is hypothetically possible that the Wii's (post september) line-up will grow at Nintendo's conference, E3 and TGS until it is far greater than the PS3's (post september) line-up.

Re:Console News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19228147)

"Even without new titles, if you check out release dates the Wii has roughly the same number of titles announced until the end of the year as the PS3."

Yeah, a whole bunch of last gen ports with some waggle tacked on...

Not only is the third party Wii library a joke but the big first party titles like Metroid are looking like crap. No wonder the only thing you hear from Wii owners is my Wii is gathering dust and I haven't touched the thing in months.

Give the bullshit a rest troll.

Re:Console News (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#19229099)

Yeah, a whole bunch of last gen ports with some waggle tacked on...

Not only is the third party Wii library a joke but the big first party titles like Metroid are looking like crap. No wonder the only thing you hear from Wii owners is my Wii is gathering dust and I haven't touched the thing in months.

Give the bullshit a rest troll.


Poor Anonymous Coward Sony Fanboy Troll ...

You used to at least talk about how great the PS3 was before you bashed the Wii, have things gotten so dark for the PS3 that even you can't see the bright spots?

I miss the days where you used to hype unknown properties as the second comming, and talk about how the power of the Cell was a better product than the Wiimote ...

Huh??? (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19232993)

Not only is the third party Wii library a joke

Yeah, games like Godfather: Blackhand Edition, Elebits, Trauma Center, Madden or Rayman really are jokes. No, wait, they're not - even the ports are often better on the Wii than on other consoles.

but the big first party titles like Metroid are looking like crap.

Yeah, because Metroid: Prime is only about the third-highest rated game of all time, so the sequel surely must be crap.

I'm not even sure why you bothered to post. Nobody is going to take your fanboy ranting seriously.

Re:Console News (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19228313)

Well, let's just sum up Sony's 2007 so far:

Dominated GDC with the amazing unveiling of Home and Little Big Planet

Gave the computing world a glimpse of how powerful the PS3 is with the incredible folding at home performance

Blew everyone away last week at the Gamer's Day show with Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, SOCOM, Warhawk, Pain

The PS3 is easily the most reliable console ever built with gamers leaving their machines on constantly for months with absolutely no hardware defects or failures

The awesome PSN just keeps getting better and better with free dedicated server gaming and killer third party downloadable games

Gamers are desperately trying to get into the Home beta and crying over not getting picked to be one of the lucky few early testers

BluRay has won the format war

BluRay productions costs have dropped an order of magnitude

What the hell is there for Nintendo to get press about? Last gen ports with some waggle? Yeah, exciting...

I have a question (1)

crayz (1056) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228537)

How do you get paid for posting this stuff as an AC? Doesn't Sony's marketing department require some sort of proof?

Re:I have a question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19228955)

A friend of mine told me about 3rd party marketing companies that Sony hires to do this kind of thing. Apparently they have monitoring software that looks at this sort of thing.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Re:I have a question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19229069)

Awww, it's so cute! The fanboys talking about 'teh viral marketers'...

Re:I have a question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19229241)

You mean like you do whenever someone posts a different opinion about the consoles? :) You had months to come up with new material for posting. *yawn* how boring.

Re:I have a question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19229371)

Haha, Sony would never sponsor this guys posts. Hes actually making me want to buy the PS3 less! If he represents PS3 players theres no way I want to play online with my PS3. 5 years olds are no fun to play against... Seriously I wouldn't be surprised if this guy worked for MS, and was trying to create an anti-sony sentiment with horribly formatted posts!

Re:Console News (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19233009)

Yeah, who at Sony do I have to contact in order to get paid to spam Slashdot? Personally, I think I'm predestined for the job. I think my lies and "arguments" would be much more coherent than your stupid ramblings.

Google's got numbers (1)

crayz (1056) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228491)

Right here [google.com] . You're correct regarding Wii's decline, but it's a decline from the massive surge of news about how Wii won the console war. And it's still far ahead of the other two, with Sony predictably languishing in third place

Re:Console News (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19232973)

This is due to the Sony event where they announced about 30 (I think) games. It does not correspond with reality.

(Yes, I own both, but there's no question the Wii is getting much more developer love at the moment)

Re:Console News (1)

IrquiM (471313) | more than 7 years ago | (#19233175)

Can you blame the news makers?

For 360 - only thing remotely interesting is Halo 3

For Wii - you'll be getting the much awaited "operating room" & "learn to cook with mum" or whatever they're called...

Price + Lack of games (4, Insightful)

wframe9109 (899486) | more than 7 years ago | (#19227511)

Sony wouldn't have such a huge problem if they could back the vicious cycle they are within.

1.) Console too expensive to justify buying given lack of games.
2.) Less consumers adopt PS3.
3.) Developers see gamers going to other platform, eliminate exclusives.
4.) Repeat (1), removing PS3 exclusives gone multi-platform from equation.

Wii By a landslide, 360 with a strong following, PS3 in a small niche. All will have some great games, but Sony will get some much deserved humiliation.

Re:Price + Lack of games (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19227923)

My god are you a dumb person. Why the hell does every console story turn into a race for dimwits like you to prove just how fucking stupid they are?

Next time shut the fuck up, k?

Re:Price + Lack of games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19230707)

So hes dumb for saying that the lack of sales is leading to a lack of exclusives which is a cycle that leads to less sales? Who cares if its been said before, or maybe even common sense to some people. Its a very valid point and is that not the point of the commenting system? Not everyone is like you, sits here 23hours a day hitting F5. People miss stories, miss comments, and some of us here dont mind posts that reiterate things said before. Go post your story about owning a record store and losing money k? (I have a feeling you are the same troll thats dominated this article's comments with Sony Fanboyism). Try keeping an open mind and understanding different consoles appeal to different people (not everyone has 700bucks to drop on a console, it doesn't mean it sucks).

Re:Price + Lack of games (4, Interesting)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228297)

I think the Wii will probably slow down. The problem with the Wii isn't actually with the Wii. It is with the third party developers that are now targeting it. They are going to make games that are worthless compared to what Nintendo puts out. This will make people buy less third party Wii games (and indeed, since more Wii owners are casual, they will buy less games per console). Third party developers will run back to Sony since they don't have to compete with Nintendo and the people who own a PS3 are going to buy more games per console.

Also, the Wii will probably have to have a shorted lifecycle than the PS3. It just doesn't have the power for AI or graphics. While those elements don't have anything to do with fun...a lot of developers do want to have more capability and the Wii is going to be limited to more casual games. This isn't a criticism of the Wii...I am glad Nintendo viewed next gen as how you control the game and that MS and Sony viewed next gen as power and HD. I just think the Wii is going to lose steam as soon as third party vendors realize they won't sell as many games on the Wii and that they are limited by the older hardware. And this isn't really speculation...this has happened on every Nintendo console (i.e. Third parties peform poorly compared to first party games in sales more than on other platforms)

As a side note, I find it interesting how many people love the Wii on here compared to the gamers I know in real life. A lot of them don't like the Wii because they feel the controller isn't responsive enough. Most don't want one and are happy with just their 360. The PS3 has nothing worth buying it for so they just mainly 360 and PC game. Maybe my friends are in the minority or maybe posts that don't claim Wii as the second coming of christ just don't get modded up!

Re:Price + Lack of games (1, Interesting)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228477)

No shit the Wii will have a short lifecycle, but you say that as if it's a bad thing.

Two years from now, we'll be treated to a WiiHD (or whatever) that's just as powerful as the PS3 and 360, but at half the cost.

You really think the Wii was MADE to last for 8-12 years, like the 360 and PS3? By the time Sony is financially able to justify a PS4, we'll be on Nintendo's 3rd console of the generation... guess who'll have the huge graphic-to-price advantage, then?

Re:Price + Lack of games (1)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 7 years ago | (#19229143)

Now, if one is a 3rd party game developer, pondering what platform to support, what would one draw from that?

I love the Wii, and am not interested in getting a PS3. But if/when I did get a PS3, I would bulk up my library with PS3 titles for the next several years. I'm probably going to be happy with a pretty small library of Wii games. Kudos to Nintendo for thinking about play-experience over game-as-media, resulting in a product that's more, erm, fun, but that's not going to spur a lot of 3rd party development. Ultimately, the finest games of the next 10 years may still turn out to be made for the PS2 or Xbox360 (or, as an outside chance, the PC!)

Re:Price + Lack of games (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19229855)

Possibly... the PS2s library suddenly became amazing in the last year or so, before that, I was actually pretty discontent with it. But at the 11th hour, they proved to have one of the absolutely strongest libraries of any console in history, with maybe only the SNES and POSSIBLY the PS1 ahead. The XBox360 is starting to look mighty good right now, and this coming from an old guard PS2 and GameCube/Wii fan. But I'm really excited about the Wii games coming out, especially the new Chrystal Chronicals, which, unlike the first, is looking to be a masterpiece. I'm not even as interested in FF13 as I am in this new action RPG. I've got hopes for MP3 (though I've got my reservations after MP2 and MPH), and Brawl is looking to be a gem. NiGHTS is also going to be stellar.

On the 360 end, I'm mostly looking at jRPGs... Eternal Sonata, especially... but also Lost Odyssey. I'm just hoping we get some jRPG love on the Wii... especially a Tales game.

Re:Price + Lack of games (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 7 years ago | (#19230915)

You really think the Wii was MADE to last for 8-12 years, like the 360 and PS3? By the time Sony is financially able to justify a PS4, we'll be on Nintendo's 3rd console of the generation... guess who'll have the huge graphic-to-price advantage, then?

Hell yes it was made to last that long. Nintendo is notorious for trying to spin its consoles as not requiring an upgrade for a very long while. Nintendo longs for the days of the NES and Game Boy, where they could just sit back and collect the licensing fees without having to spend money on R&D. It hasn't worked out for them, and one of the reasons their last two consoles before the Wii had mediocre sales performance was because they insist on staying a step behind graphically, and think they can make up for it by being "fun". They succeeded this generation, but they'll inevitably mess it up down the road (not slamming Nintendo specifically here, nobody can bat 1000).

And before people start whining about me being some sort of PS3 fanboy, I do not own a PS3 and can't see myself owning one anytime soon. Hell, I never even got a PS2. I'm just a gamer with a long memory who remembers the things Nintendo tried to pull.

Re:Price + Lack of games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19232319)

Uhh... the gamecube was more powerful than the PS2, and the N64 was more powerful than the PS1(just had less storage)... Hell, even the SNES was a wash...

This is the first console where Nintendo hasn't tried to compete on power and you try and spin it like it's a pattern. Why?

Re:Price + Lack of games (3, Interesting)

wframe9109 (899486) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228635)

I think the third party theory has pretty much been debunked. Third party titles of outstanding quality sell deservedly well for the most part. It's up to the third party to develop a quality title, that is also appealing.

Some Nintendo games have totally flopped, but typically they do well, because typically, they are high quality games.

I'm 99.9% sure I remember hearing third parties happy with their sales on the Wii this past holiday...

Anyhow, I do agree that it's debatable whether the Wii will continue to steam roll the competition. My guess is that it will, but I am less sure than guessing about the PS3 placing a distant 3rd (given the 360's installed base, cheaper price, comparable hardware, comparable exclusives, etc. etc.)

Personally, I haven't been using mine mcuh recently (barring drunken weekends), but this comes with the territory when you are dealing with a first year console during the spring/early summer draught.

PS: On a side note, you discuss processing power and implications to AI. Do you know of any titles that would be limited in AI due to the Wii's processing? I can't think of any, and always had my doubts about AI being a bullet behind the pros of better hardware. Better theoretical AI maybe :-P

Re:Price + Lack of games (1)

AlXtreme (223728) | more than 7 years ago | (#19230145)

PS: On a side note, you discuss processing power and implications to AI. Do you know of any titles that would be limited in AI due to the Wii's processing? I can't think of any, and always had my doubts about AI being a bullet behind the pros of better hardware. Better theoretical AI maybe :-P

All I know is that the AI in Wii Sports Tennis still beats the crap out of me. Probably has more to do with me sucking, though.


But seriously, AI in games indeed isn't where all the cycles go into. It's the graphics. Building an engine capable of rendering an additional quadrillion vertexes will always be an easier way to waste extra cycles than coming up with AI that seems remotely intelligent. The Wii proves that nicer graphics != more fun, no matter what your clockspeed is.

Re:Price + Lack of games (3, Interesting)

vux984 (928602) | more than 7 years ago | (#19229217)

They are going to make games that are worthless compared to what Nintendo puts out.

Do you mean to say that Nintendo is going to have the best games?? I hardly think that will cause the Wii to slow down.

I just think the Wii is going to lose steam as soon as third party vendors realize they won't sell as many games on the Wii and that they are limited by the older hardware.

If the Wii becomes the dominant console nobody is going to abandon it. Look at how quickly 3rd parties took notice of wii and ramped up wii game production once it became obvious that it was selling far beyond expectations. They didn't all leak their brains out and forget that competing on nintendo means competing with nintendo... they KNOW what they're dealing with. They've got the same history you do.

But they know that supporting the dominant console will pay off.

and the people who own a PS3 are going to buy more games per console.

Only relevant if they buy enough more to make up for the fact that there are less of them.

(And if the games are 'worthless' compared to what nintendo releases, I'd hope even a PS3 owner would stay the hell away from them.)

As for limited by the older hardware? The ONLY situation that is going to affect is that it gets even harder to make lousy multi-platform ports on the cheap. Losing the 'Lousy ports' isn't going to harm the platform.

Also, the Wii will probably have to have a shorted lifecycle than the PS3. It just doesn't have the power for AI or graphics.

By that logic the Honda civic should have been discontinued by now. And why does anyone buy a handheld when all they do is let us play last generation games technology? Seriously. Yes, its 'limiting', but entertainment value per dollar is high. As long as that can be sustained the system will do well.

Just look at the popularity of the virtual console.

I find it interesting how many people love the Wii on here compared to the gamers I know in real life.

Comparing the /. audience to 'gamers' is a little goofy don't you think. There's a lot of us here on slashdot that aren't 'gamers', but who enjoy games.

so they just mainly 360 and PC game

Seems pretty redundant to buy two boxes for that.

And furthermore, if your own 'real world group' has already self-selected into 'gamers who play 360 + PC games' do you really think THEY are representative of the larger audience for the Wii?

Re:Price + Lack of games (2, Insightful)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 7 years ago | (#19233139)

Third party developers will run back to Sony since they don't have to compete with Nintendo

So are you saying Sony doesn't develop any games in-house? Because that's completely wrong. Sony's had over 10 years to grow their development teams (and buy other ones), and they've certainly done that. A cursory glance over their franchise list [wikipedia.org] proves this point handily. So while you are correct that running from a Nintendo platform will free you from "competing" with Nintendo, it also means that you'll end up competing with the parent company of the platform you choose to run to.

the people who own a PS3 are going to buy more games per console.

Care to cite a source, or are you just assuming "PS3 costs more, thus rich people will buy it"? If it's the latter, that's a pretty tenuous argument, at best.

The Ob quote (1)

Skevin (16048) | more than 7 years ago | (#19230559)

1.) Console too expensive to justify buying given lack of games.
2.) Less consumers adopt PS3.
3.) Developers see gamers going to other platform, eliminate exclusives.
4.) Repeat (1), removing PS3 exclusives gone multi-platform from equation.

try:
5.) ???
6.) Profit!

catch:
7.) Put as much spin on your stats you could dry your clothes on it. e.g., claiming that PS/3s are readily in stock due to superior supply-side infrastructure, as opposed to lagging sales.

Unfortunately, this is one very real case I highly doubt Sony will even reach step 5.

Solomon

Re:The Ob quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19233027)

Wow. I don't think I've ever seen a "... Profit!" meme with exception handling before. Nice work :)

Meh! (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 7 years ago | (#19227583)

Anything that'll stop'em eating dogs and mixing tea and coffee works for me!

Somewhere, over the... (1)

MorpheousMarty (1094907) | more than 7 years ago | (#19227713)

One day, one days soon, I will wake up and there will be news for the PS3, good news. I fully expect it to be full wiimote support. Or maybe some games. Honestly, all the news we get is "Sony is not doing well, and there really isn't any reason for them to do well in the near future, yadda yadda yadda, blu-ray"

Re:Somewhere, over the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19228093)

That was a joke...right?

Sony Gamers Day:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15521 3 [neogaf.com]

Gametrailers coverage:

http://www.gametrailers.com/sonygday2k7.php [gametrailers.com]

Uncharted: Drake's fortune
Ratchet And Clank
Heavenly Sword
Warhawk
Lair
Singstar
Folklore
SOCOM

PS3 Home online world:

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=4865 [gametrailers.com]

PS3 FoldingAtHome dominates:

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype= osstats [stanford.edu]

What the hell were you talking about again?

And that's just this month for Sony and the PS3. The amazing quality and almost virtually defect free hardware despite tens of thousands of PS3s running 24/7 playing games and folding. Or the massive manufacturing cost savings Sony is already achieving. The amazing free dedicated server PSN gaming. BluRay winning the format war.

And we aren't even to the big exclusives FFXIII,MGS4,Killzone later this year at E3...

Oh, right, you get your gaming news from Zonk...

Re:Somewhere, over the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19228243)

Uncharted looks incredibly shitty, as does warhawk. The first killzone was horrid, so who the fuck cares about the sequel. Singstar was niche, and FFXIII, MGS4 and Ratchet & Clank won't be out this year.

There was *nothing* announced at Sony's Gameday that will save the PS3 this year. You Sony Defense force guys are funny. Always grasping at straws.

Re:Somewhere, over the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19228387)

Love it! Cry those bitter tears fanboy!

Shitty graphics? You want to see shitty graphics? Halo 3 or Forza 2 is what you should be talking about. The rest of the gaming world sure as hell had a good laugh at Microsoft's shitty first party games last week while being amazed at Sony's showing.

Oh year baby! Cry those bitter fanboy tears!

Re:Somewhere, over the... (1)

toolie (22684) | more than 7 years ago | (#19231167)

He didn't say they had shitty graphics, he said they look incredibly shitty. There are ways to look shitty for games than just graphics. When you see a movie trailer and go 'wow that looks shitty', do you really mean the picture quality?

Re:Somewhere, over the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19229227)

Ugh this formatting reminds me of the early days of animated gifs... because you can use a BR tag doesn't mean you need to 30times a post... Anyways that swoosh you heard was the article's point flying over your head. You pointed out all these releases that are months off(in some cases they aren't due until 2008... IF THEY ARE ON TIME). The article was simply saying Sony had a bad month in April, and May wont get any better with only 2 titles hitting the shelves, neither of which is exclusive. Read before you post, get off your knees, and actually make intelligent posts instead of giving Sony E-Head. Instead of calling everyone a retard that doesn't think Sony is the bomb try convincing them why you love the PS3. You are far from doing sony and PR favors with this attitude. NO ONE wants to play online if PS3 owners are like you.

Re:Somewhere, over the... (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#19229883)

Last I heard Warhawk had gone from being a full PS3 release with offline and online play to being just a free download containing 4 multiplayer maps - No thanks.

SOCOM - yet another FPS. I'll pass.

SingStar - I'll pass.

Lair & Heavenly Sword look good, but so far all I've seen are screenshots and movies. Let's wait until we get some reviews about the actual gameplay.

Ratchet & Clank - not coming out this year.

FFXIII - not coming out this year.

MGS4 - not coming out this year, and MAY become a multi-platform title simultaneously released for the 360.

Folding@Home - you have got to be kidding to me. No no, I don't doubt your stats, but seriously, THIS is the best use for a $600 GAMING console?!? That's like buying one of those stupid $3k fridges with the built-in LCD screen, and bragging that it's the best TV on the market.

As for HOME, Sony and you are delusional if you think the average person is going to spend (real!) money decorating his virtual apartment so he can invite others' avatars over to look at his trophies. This goes waaaaaay beyond "geeky" here - and I'm a geek!

Blu-Ray Player - This is the only legitimate strength you've listed. Too bad we'll see cheaper standalone Blu-ray players soon, and later this year, we'll see a hybrid Blu-Ray/HD-DVD player that'll make anything that only plays one HD format obsolete. At that point, the PS3 had better have something more to crow about like, oh, I don't know...HOW ABOUT GAMES?! Because seriously, no one's going to buy a $600 gaming console because it can run Folding@Home and a bad Second-Life ripoff.

Re:Somewhere, over the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19231969)

Obviously current ps3 games aren't worth $600.
But if you bought the ps3 for the ps3, blu-ray player, home, games, linux, etc... than it has the best value out of the 3.

It's like buying a ferrari just to use the luggage holder to carry haze in the countryside. You're better off buying a Pickup from Ford.

Re:Somewhere, over the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19229927)

OMG!!!

A line by line fanboy rebuttal laced with sarcasm!

PS. MGS4 on 360 - Please, oh, please keep believing the desperate Xbox fanboy rumors! Nothing more precious than crushed fanboy dreams.

Re:Somewhere, over the... (1)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228133)

Well, it better be soon. This is the 4th straight month where the GBA has outperformed the PS3 sales-wise in the US. Yes, that's right, a portable SNES is beating the next-gen powerhouse. And things don't look good in Japan either, where it's slumped into to around 8,000 units per week and has fallen far behind the gamecube in terms of pacing. You won't see many new announcements for PS3 stuff from third-parties while it's putting up those kind of numbers. And it's not like there's anything coming out for a long while to turn that around, or that Sony's partners and shareholders will allow a large enough price drop to turn that around.

More bad news... FFXIII and MGS4 will not be hitting this year....

There is some good news though, little big planet(bet those guys are kicking themselves for going to Sony), home. And some iffy's like Lair, Heavenly Sword, and a bunch of cross-platform stuff. But nothing really good enough to turn the tide. If you like the PS2, it's still doing well, beating the XBox 360, and is still going to be getting titles for a bit.

The only other bright-side is that the Wii news has been really dead for a while.... but there's a series of events this week, and one of the Nintendo franchise mega-bombs just launched a website.

Re:Somewhere, over the... (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228557)

I don't think announcing the release date of one of the big three (Metroid Prime 3 - August 20th), and updating the smash website from 8 months of dormancy, along with all the composers (to speculate about), counts as "no news". Add to that last weeks announcements about the Chrystal Chronicals series, and you have some pretty big stuff. In fact, this has been Nintendo's most bauntiful few weeks for months.

Re:Somewhere, over the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19228179)

If you want that, then don't read posts by Zonk.

All your held hand are belong to Nintendo (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19227959)

Face it, Sony just can't catch a break.

Hmmm (3, Insightful)

TB (7206) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228057)

If you compare sales per week for the PS1 PS2 and PS3, PS3 is already outselling the PS1 by 2-3x and its just a 100,000 units or so behind the PS2. Of course, people on forums and such have a selective memory.... they just choose to block all this out.

Re:Hmmm (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228373)

The PS1 was utter shit for about two years, and the Sony brand wasn't exactly top of the line in home gaming. The PS2 was heavily supply constrained (yay buzzword) for quite some time after launch. I submit that you, sir, have a few memories that you may be repressing in the console "war."

That said, you're all a bunch of babies whining about your favorite console. It's unbelievably entertaining to watch.

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19228463)

Granted, but the market as a whole has grown as well. You can't look just at numbers; How do Microsoft's and Nintendo's similar statistics look in comparison? While amount of consoles sold matters, market saturation is potentially more important at this point.

Re:Hmmm (3, Interesting)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228479)

Awesome. That means the Wii is going to outperform the PS1 and PS2 by enormous margins, right? Since it's outpacing all three? PS3 is made of brown, bloom and fail no matter how you slice it.

I mean, right now, the PS3 is being outsold in the US by the GBA. THE GBA! It's underperforming the gamecube in Japan, hitting sales targets *weeks* after the cube did. And, like the PSP was by the DS, it's being absolutely destroyed by the Wii. And the HD movie market is *NOTHING* compared to the DVD market. It's like a sick joke.

It's very easy and fun to play with sales data and especially pacing and trends. But ultimately, it's meaningless. In what countries, by what metric? Are we adjusting for the increased market size since the X came out?

Re:Hmmm (1)

TB (7206) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228539)

Outsold in the US, boohoo. Just had one of its best weeks in Europe. Saying a console is doomed several months in is insane. Sure they said it for the PS1 and PS2 but it didnt happen. Will it happen this time? Maybe... but considering PS3 is already leading the 360 in some countries makes me think otherwise... for the moment at least.

Re:Hmmm (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228625)

When did they say it about PS1 or PS2?

From my memories, PS2 was predicted to break records, and did, and PS1 nobody knew what to think because it had to history. I don't see any comparison at all to what was being said in those generations.

Re:Hmmm (1)

TB (7206) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228843)

Actualy the PS2 was panned as a failure due to low sales and few games and was predicted to be destroyed by the faster Xbox. This is the sorta thing people forget, while the PS1 was an unknown the PS2 was torn to shreds by the gaming "media" and community as a joke. They said oh its to hard to code for, no-one will release games for it, its to expensive, Why include a DVD drive which will just raise the price? Sound familiar?

Its true, the PS2 did have low sales the first few years, tho the few games thing as now was wrong. PS3 gets around 8 titles a month like all the other consoles. However, it was when the big lineup of games hit around christmas where sales started to jump. A new GT here, a new Ratchet there, a new SOCOM there and sales picked up. Sony takes its time getting things setup, so we wont know if the PS3 will be a hit or miss for some time.

Re:Hmmm (1)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 7 years ago | (#19229169)

Actually, the PS2 really pulled ahead once it hit the $200 price point. Until then it just kinda lazily sold. It also didn't really have much competition, and god did the first year of it's library suck. *Glares at fantavision* And yea, there were some failure stuff, and a lot of bitter Dreamcast people, but nothing like this. And yea, there were some failure stuff, and a lot of bitter Dreamcast people, but nothing like this.

Anyway, it's silly to use the PS2 or PS1 as an indicator for any other console. Things are no where near as they were when the PS1 came out or as they were when the PS2 came out. Sony is facing two extremely tough competitors one of whom has already been out for a year, and who by and large haven't made any massive mistakes, and is doing so with the most expensive console in history(not adjusted for inflation). It has been proven, time and time again, the general public doesn't have brand loyalty to a console maker. If they did, Sony never would've succeeded in the first place.

Yes, it's possible that the PS3 will pull out of this, but each month that passes with news like this and it becomes increasingly unlikely.

The PS2 never had slow sales (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19229529)

I don't know where this myth that the PS2 "Started out Slow" came from but it is simply not true ...

The PS2 was the fastest selling system in Japan over its first year, and was heavily supply limited for its first year in North America and Europe. By the time the Gamecube and XBox were released the PS2 had already sold 20 Million units worldwide (roughly twice as many as the XBox 360 has in the same time frame) and exploded in sales from there due to the release of GTA, MGS2 and FFX.

Fucking PS3 fans are resorting to rewriting history to make the PS3's sales look anything except for awful ...
It is selling at a similar rate to the Dreamcast and probably has the same fate

Re:The PS2 never had slow sales (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19229607)

Awww, cry, fanboy, cry!

Poor baby, Sony is on its way to kicking your console's ass AGAIN! How many times has it been for you loser? Dreamcast? Xbox? Dreamcast 360? Are you going to end up being a three time loser after this gen?

But perhaps you're right, you pathetic little fanboy, Sony is really hurting this gen:

The most powerful console by the largest margin in console history - as even Xbox fanboys admitted after last weeks show

The PS3 hardware manufacturing costs are dropping at roughly the same rate as the PS2 - profitable at the one year mark

Every single franchise that 115 million and 105 million PS2 and PS1 gamers bought consoles for appearing on the PS3

And Sony is up against:

Waggle from Nintendo - Pet Rocks, Disco, and Waggle sub-GameCube graphics and waggle are going to be oh so hot a year from now and on!

Red rings of death, 50 dollars a year online charges, shitty 360 level graphics!

Yeah, poor Sony!

Re:The PS2 never had slow sales (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 7 years ago | (#19230591)

Uh, wow, troll of doom with the intelligence of a goldfish. Same memory span too.

Go ahead. (1, Interesting)

Ayanami Rei (621112) | more than 7 years ago | (#19230781)

Reply to another post. I love to hear your 12-year old mouth whine and brag about the superiority of his penis, I mean pump-up tennis shoes, I mean -- I'm sorry, I meant PS3.

*shakes head* Sony even sucks in professional video now. I'd rather buy ten Samsung CCD cameras for the price of one Sony.

Re:The PS2 never had slow sales (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19233045)

Jesus Christ, is that what you do all day? Post incoherent fanboy rants to Slashdot? How old are you? Don't you have a job? Go to school?

If you spend so much time posting to Slashdot, why don't you at least try to create arguments that don't make you look like a stupid Sony Troll? I mean, you don't even look like you got paid by Sony, because if you got paid for that, I'd expect some better quality in your arguments and writing.

Look, if you want to defend the PS3, don't spout obvious lies like "The most powerful console by the largest margin in console history." Everybody can see that this is just plainly not true. You're making Sony users look like idiots.

Oh. Wait. That's your intention, right? You're actually owning a 360 and post these little rants to make Sony fanboys look bad?

Re:Hmmm (2, Interesting)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19229747)

How is that possible? By the time the XBox came out, the PS2 was doing gloriously. FFX pretty much solidified its dominance back in 2001, and all the gaming press I generally heard was possitive. Also, Sony were still the "good guys" back then, with the evil Microsoft looming overhead, and the bastardly Nintendo about to make their move. Also, the PS2 was such a saving grace after what was looking to be the utter failior of the DreamCast (now realized to be largely because of Sony FUD).

Now, the tables have turned. Sony is the evil money-grubbing company that doesn't care about quality of content, just superficial image, Microsoft have proven themselves to be relatively "decent", and Nintendo are the shining beacon of inginuity and vision.

Public perception makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE. If you decide to hate a company, you're basically lost to them as a costomer, no matter how great a product you deliver. Sony are currently the "bad guys" (note the difference between "bad guys" and "bad boys") of the generation, and that's going to cost them dearly, no matter what titles they put out.

The fact is, much of the old gamer gaurd refused to accept Microsoft because console gamers were always at odds with PC gamers, and Microsoft represented a threatening side of gaming. This is a large reason why the XBox didn't come out on top last generation. Now, they have proven themselves, and Sony has some real competition. And even moreso from Nintendo, who are currently presenting themselves (and being generally regarded), as the saviours of the gaming industry... and both companies are living up to their claims.

Re:Hmmm (2, Informative)

metroid composite (710698) | more than 7 years ago | (#19230011)

Actualy the PS2 was panned as a failure due to low sales and few games and was predicted to be destroyed by the faster Xbox.
"Low sales": PS2 hit a million within three weeks in Japan, and PS3 has yet to do so in six months. PS2 in the post holiday season was selling 400k per month in North America, compared to Dreamcast's 100k. PS3 by comparison is selling 100k per month compared to the Wii's 300k.

"Few games": The documentation on this isn't very good, but I believe it had more games than any of PS3, Wii, or 360 had at launch this time (just based on searching gamerankings for PS2 games released in the year 2000--42 beats all three next gen systems for their respective launch windows).

This is the sorta thing people forget
I remember it quite well, actually. The problem was that the claims came from the Videogame Press, which at the time I assumed were brilliant specialists, but as it turns out are amateurs who would never get a job as a real Journalist. I mean, if you listened to the videogame Press, XBox was doomed to failure due to its controller, PS2 was doomed to failure as it was "hard to develop for" and broke "constantly", and Gamecube was doomed to failure because nobody over the age of five plays Nintendo. This left the Dreamcast as the clear undisputed winner. (I actually came to similar conclusions--I mean it had the head start, was easy to program for, the lowest price point, etc).

The problem with these armchair analysts was that they were focusing on the wrong things. For instance, they should have focused on perceived market direction from the third parties (EA made almost zero Dreamcast games). Nearly every third party when interviewed said they expected the PS2 to win.

Re:Hmmm (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#19230735)

The problem with these armchair analysts was that they were focusing on the wrong things. For instance, they should have focused on perceived market direction from the third parties (EA made almost zero Dreamcast games). Nearly every third party when interviewed said they expected the PS2 to win.

The irony is the third parties expected the PS3 to win. It's hasn't "lost" yet but the Wii sprinted out of the gates while the the PS3 and Xbox trotted. I personally will likely get a wii if there is a game that appeals to me. I have a PS3 and bought it almost exclusively for MG4 and FFXIII. No 360 because I have a PC for PC games (oblivion) and nothing else strongly appeals to me yet.

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19228715)

Europe matters now!? When did that happen?

Re:Hmmm (1)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228977)

Where are you getting independant sales data for Europe? In the NA we have NPD, and in Japan, Media Create, but there's no real good source for European figures outside the companies themselves, so Europe is a black hole and we largely ignore it. Honestly curious.

Re:Hmmm (2, Interesting)

donaldm (919619) | more than 7 years ago | (#19233621)

I was waiting till late this year or even next year before making a decision if I was going to buy a PS3 or not. Basically with the exception of Oblivion I was not interested in most of the PS3 games although to be honest with the exception of Zelda (love those games) and Metroid is not out yet so I was not interested in the Wii either. As for the Xbox360 I could also say the same.

I was out shopping with my son when I noticed Games Wizards (I live in Australia) was offering PS3's (we only have the 60GB version) at AU$499 (US$410) when you trade in your working PS2 (mine is over 5 years old) plus 10 games. This was an offer too good to be true so I checked and it was true so I got one plus the game Oblivion (traded two old ps2 games for a 50% off price). I was curious so I asked if many people were buying and was informed that they were. I was the 5th at 10:00am and I had another person behind me.

Setting up the PS3 in my home was easy, even setting it up to talk to my wireless router was not difficult. Once I upgraded the firmware to 1.7 I can now play most of my PS2 and all of my PS1 games, some of which were not even mentioned in the website. I can even use my PS2 Logitech 2 dual shock wireless controller and get rumble from PS1 and PS2 games (if supported) as well as the ability to use a keyboard and mouse (all wireless). For those interested a PS1/2 game is Standard Def and a PS3 game is 720p up-to 1080p. You definitely can notice the difference in graphics quality but I still play my Gamecube and PS1/2 games since my HDTV does smooth out some games. There is also a rumour from some Game Sites that the Sony emulator programmers are looking at up-scaling PS1 and PS2 games to High Res but like I have said it is still a rumour.

It is far to early to make a call on the popularity of any of the new consoles and a cheaper console may not cut it if people don't buy the games. From what I have seen so far with Nintendo games there is little difference in price between the PS3 and Xbox360 games, people do notice this. In addition Nintendo games usually remain high long after equivalent games on the other consoles has fallen (usually by 50%). I have seen this with the Gamecube vs PS2 and Xbox and now I am seeing the same thing with the Wii games.

If games places start doing deals like the above and they are starting to since we are approaching the end of our financial year at the end of June, the PS3 is going to sell well even with similar deals on the Xbox and Wii since the PS3 is perceived as a very attractive item (ie. bragging rights) especially since HDTV's are selling really well in Australia and people do want HD movies to play on their HDTV's. The PS3 out of the box does just this. In fact some of our main department stores are not even stocking HD-DVD machines, just BD (Blu-Ray) only.

The only problem I have now is I have to share the HDTV with my wife and two sons and my eldest also likes the PS3 Oblivion game even though he is an avid PC gamer. Guess I will have to set up a time share system :)

Re:Hmmm (1)

bumchick (201482) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228819)

I mean, right now, the PS3 is being outsold in the US by the GBA. THE GBA!
The PS3 is also being outsold in the US by toothbrushes. So what?
The PS3 and GBA are not competing products.

Re:Hmmm (1)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 7 years ago | (#19229015)

Umm... they both play video games. Toothbrushes don't play video games. How are they not competing products? May appeal to different demographics, but they're still in the, ya know, video game market.

You're right... (1)

Ayanami Rei (621112) | more than 7 years ago | (#19230851)

but that would only apply if they were released the same year. The GBA is over 5 years old. We're not talking about the GBA-DS, just the GBA.

We're making a comparison under these assumptions:

1) You would think that the market for GBAs has been saturated, or that new players (i.e. kids) would opt for a GBA-DS to be able to play games for both systems.
2) In otherwords, there is a market comprised late-technology-adopters who are cost sensitive, and are probably buying the units for themselves for the purpose of playing specific games (perhaps SNES conversions... more represented on the GBA than the DS). The other segment of the market are gifts from [parents] to children who don't know the difference, and want it to play movie/TV/etc adaptation properties which comprise a large portion of the existing GBA title library.

Therefore, the market for the PS3 ("serious gamers") is outsized by poor retro gamers who don't know how to use emulators, and tweens who want to play Harry Potter.

I don't think Sony is happy with this, do you?

Re:You're right... (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#19232289)

herefore, the market for the PS3 ("serious gamers") is outsized by poor retro gamers who don't know how to use emulators
In order to (legally) get roms for your emulators, you have to buy a Super NES Game Pak copier. Those are hard to find. Even then, what kind of portable hardware would you run the emulator software on?

Re:Hmmm (3, Interesting)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228879)

If you compare sales per week for the PS1 PS2 and PS3, PS3 is already outselling the PS1 by 2-3x and its just a 100,000 units or so behind the PS2.

Or, you could look at sales per month, and see that the Wii sold 82% as many units in April as in January (360k vs. 436k), while the the PS3 dropped to 34% (82k vs. 244k).

Or, that last month they moved 23% as many PS3s as Wiis (82k vs. 360k).

Or that since the beginning of the year, PS2s have outsold PS3s by 70% (989k vs. 583k).

Or that the Wii outsold the PS3 by 138% (1390k vs. 583k).

Or that the DS has outsold the PSP by 124% (1703k vs. 760k).

Pick your metric. Every single one of them is awful, and if anyone left at Sony still has plans of staying in the game business, they need to stem the hemorrhaging soon.

Re:Hmmm (1)

TB (7206) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228915)

From day 1, not this year. Its jut a glimpse to show how all the PS consoles do bad to start and why saying they're doomed is silly for now.

Re:Hmmm (3, Informative)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#19230197)

One has to remember what Sony's competition was with the PS1 and PS2.

Sony has never launched first in a generation. The PS1, PS2 and now PS3 have all launched into a market where at least one other competitor had been around for awhile.

With the PS1, there was the Saturn and the N64. Sega was begining to struggle at that point, and Sony had managed to pick up several developers after Nintendo decided the N64 was going to be cartridge based.

With the PS2, the Dreamcast had a full year to try to build up a market, but just couldn't get going due to mostly cool receptions from both 3rd party developers (like EA) and gamers alike - partially due to the way Sega treated the Saturn...

By the time the Xbox came out, the PS2 had arguably been established as #1 for the generation. The Xbox's lineup consisted mainly of multiplatform games that were available for the PS2 or the PC and that didn't help either, despite having superior hardware compared to the PS2.

Nintendo hadn't fully recovered from the N64 when the GameCube came out, though it remained quite sucessful in its niche.

While I agree it's too early to say the PS3 is doomed, things certainly look a lot worse for the PS3 than they did for the PS1 or PS2 at the same time in their lifecycles.

For one thing, both the PS1 and PS2 were $300 - a lot less intimidating than the PS3's $600. For another, both the PS1 and PS2 had some decent exclusive (at launch, anyways) games. What did the PS3 have? One "ok" launch game, and a bunch of multiplatform titles that didn't look any better on the PS3 than on its cheaper competitor, the 360.

This makes the PS3's biggest problems Cost, Time, and (lack of) Games.

Sure, the PS3's biggest titles are yet to come out. But in the meantime, what does Sony expect people to do? Buy a $600 console with virtually no games and just wait? It's not as if the 360 or the Wii are standing still, either. Both Nintendo and Microsoft have announced their lineups for this year and both have heavy-hitting, console-selling titles. Halo3 will sell consoles. What does the PS3 have that even approaches that? And before you say 'Final Fantasy', remember that we probably won't see FFXIII in the US until next summer - at best. What the PS3 really needs is something like MGS2 for the PS2, or Halo3 for the 360. People were willing to buy the console months before those titles even hit the shelves. Nothing in the PS3's lineup has that same "I *GOTTA* GET ONE NOW!" feeling. Not FFXIII, not Ratchet & Clank, nor anything else previewed so far.

Re:Hmmm (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 7 years ago | (#19229235)

Problem is the market nowadays is 10 times bigger, and the gamecube outsells the PS3...

Re:Hmmm (1)

RootsLINUX (854452) | more than 7 years ago | (#19229881)

I would argue that such a comparison is invalid. We are all well aware that the gaming industry was much smaller in size and audience in the PS1-release era than it is right now. I don't have any hard data so lets just assume that the gaming market is 4 times larger today than it was back then. Then your outselling the PS1 by 2-3x becomes (2-3x)/4, or 0.5-0.75x. Also IIRC, the PS2 had supply problems and couldn't meet demand very well, so PS2s were rather difficult to find. On the other hand, I see several PS3s collecting dust on store shelves all the time. Again, no hard facts or data in my argument and I'm not trying to invalidate yours, but I just wanted to provide an additional perspective.

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19231471)

News Flash TB. There is a MUCH bigger gaming base now than 10 years ago with the PS1 so put your memory into perspective.

"curb stomp" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19228287)

I always cringe whenever people use this term in a setting that does not call for one to be an internet asshole.

They'll all make it through... (1)

p4rri11iz3r (1084543) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228381)

I'll be the first to admit that I'm glad to see Nintendo back on top again. I honestly didn't think they had it in them, but am glad they proved me wrong. When I look at Sony today, I see Nintendo a decade ago. They thought they had the market cornered, they figured they could do no wrong, that people would automatically buy whatever they produced. But they failed to innovate in ways that was interesting to the market, and now they will face some harsh times and harsh realities. But they'll bounce back. Just like Nintendo, Sony has the resources to bounce back, no matter how poorly the PS3 does. I personally think this is healthy for Sony, the way it was for Nintendo. It will teach them the humility they need to get back on their feet.

And who will it benefit the most? Why you, the consumer. The video game industry needs competition. They'll each continue to press boundries of what is possible with video games in order to stay alive in the industry and they'll continue to keep the prices low (on games at least). Lucky you...

As much as I'd like to have a PS3 (2, Interesting)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228495)

I just bought an XBox 360 last week, and the reason wasn't strictly the price, or the anemic selection of games for the PS3. The number one reason that swayed me to the 360 isn't even an official feature: It's backups. Even if there was a workaround for playing backups on the PS3 (and AFAIK, there isn't), the $25 discs make it impractical. Sure it's cheaper than buying another copy, assuming you don't make any coasters, but it's still almost 15 times more than the price of DVD9 discs to make 360 backups.

Re:As much as I'd like to have a PS3 (1)

TB (7206) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228601)

Having backups on the 360 makes sense, it has issues with its drive but the PS3 has hardcoat on its disks so they wont scratch as easy. But are you backing them up for other reasons? Losing the disk etc?

Re:As much as I'd like to have a PS3 (2, Funny)

Kredal (566494) | more than 7 years ago | (#19230517)

Does returning the disk to a rental store count as losing it?

Just wondering.

Re:As much as I'd like to have a PS3 (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19228741)

I like RPGs... so I'm going to get an XBox360...

Wow, I never thought I'd end up saying that! Good job, Sony!

Re:As much as I'd like to have a PS3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19230199)

Just say it. "Pirated games". There's no sense in beating around the bush.

Re:As much as I'd like to have a PS3 (2, Insightful)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#19232347)

have fun with your banned console and lack of key game components now Mr. Cheapass-killing-the-industry Pirate.

Guess Eliot Was Wrong (1)

Cesium12 (1065628) | more than 7 years ago | (#19229127)

May looks to be a crueller month.

Competition. (4, Interesting)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 7 years ago | (#19231425)

I'd like to see the PS3 succeed for one reason: competition. I don't mean that it necessarily has to dominate the market like the PS2 did, but it needs to sell well enough that it's considered a viable platform and regarded as an actual competitor.

We have the Xbox360, but I don't really consider it a true competitor to the Wii because those two systems aren't really seen as inhabiting the same market space. The primary problem is how poorly it's done in Japan. The fact that the system is virtually nonexistent in one of the biggest gaming markets in the world means it's always going to lose out when it comes to variety of games. Clearly, the Xbox360 has fared far better than the original Xbox, but I still see it as potentially ending up in the same situation as the Sega Genesis relative to the SNES.

The Xbox360 certainly is significant and it may turn out to be more of a challenge to Nintendo than we realize now, but it's going to require more than Halo 3 and other such games to accomplish that. But, like I've said, they've likely already lost the Japanese market. The saving grace is that Japanese companies keep developing games for the system.

The PS3 has the potential to be a competitor for both consoles because of the potential for such a variety of games, at least if it sees anything like the sort of development the PS2 has. The PS2 really had games of all types and some were truly innovative. Really the only thing it lacked was anything from Nintendo.

My point here is that if Nintendo returns to the sort of dominance it had in the past it will also revert to the same sort of tactics it used back then, back when they were the heavy-handed monopoly. If it weren't for Nintendo falling behind in the last two generations of consoles we probably wouldn't have seen the DS or the Wii.

Re:Competition. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19231715)

I fail to see how competition is good. Personally, I'd prefer to only have to buy one system, not 2 or 3, or 4, and get the best games released in each given generation. Pretty much the only thing competition is good for is third party devs, and their bottom lines.

Life was not hell for the consumer under Atari, or Nintendo, and it wasn't hell under Sony during the PS2 and PS1 days. We had ample entertainment. We even saved money because of defacto monopolies. Those effective monopolies didn't stop them from developing technology, and they didn't prevent us from having great games.

Ok, you may make the argument that Sony(and to a lesser extent Nintendo and SEGA) was bad for the industry during the PS1-era, with their FMV/marketing fetish and insane aversion to certain genres, but the DS has corrected for that. Competition, largely, does not matter. We're talking about formats here. Extolling competition is like saying the Blu-ray/HD-DVD war is good for HD hard media, and the consumers thereof. It's not.

About the only time competition was a good thing was when it was SEGA v. Nintendo during the Genesis/SNES days. Sony is no Nintendo, and Sony is no SEGA, so they can rot in hell.

Re:Competition. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#19232317)

Life was not hell for the consumer under Atari, or Nintendo
Not hell, but maybe heck. Nintendo banned smaller development studios from its console, just as it continues to.

Re:Competition. (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19233113)

Huh. You claim competition is bad, but then you explain how the DS fixed Sony's FMV fetish? I'm not sure I follow.

History has shown that lack of competition in the console market leads to stagnation. The leading console manufacturer is always the last to change console generations. Without the Genesis, there would not have been a SNES. Without the PS1, no N64. Without the Dreamcast, there would not have been a PS2. Without the 360, we'd still be waiting for a successor to the PS2.

2008 (1)

GregPK (991973) | more than 7 years ago | (#19232411)

I've come to the conclusion that the PS3 will start catching up around 2008. Because by then any combination of factors below will come to light. A) they will have thier act together and build a equal to Microsofts XNA tools for developers B) Enough Games will have caught onto the system that people will actually want to buy it. C) Sony might release the lockdown access to the video for linux so that games can be made for the linux portion of the PS3 D) Sony will have figured out the right addons to the system in order to enhance the gameplay. Powerglove equivalent and Virtual reality tech come to mind. As well as thier new virtual home setup with trophies and online buyable content. E) Will be about the point where just about every home has an HDTV able to take advantage of the higher quality graphics at 1080p. It will also likely be about the point that the xbox 360 maxes out its abilities. F) Pricedrops- this being the key most important part.

Re:2008 (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19233119)

And why would developers create games for a console nobody is buying? Most of your points seem like wishful thinking.

Re:2008 (1)

GregPK (991973) | more than 7 years ago | (#19233379)

Because, wishful thinking or not it's a rather logical order.

Most likely order of events that I envision.

A) Sony releases exclusive (God of war, Grand Tourismo, Etc. )
A.2) Third party releases of say a home or business control center system using a PS3 as the center hub for Media, computer, security, IPTV, gaming. (remember the cell can be used for many many things other than just games. When sony figures that out they can expand the living daylights out of thier market to do a lot more than just games which would also increase sales dramatically)
B) Sony Drops price of PS3 using manufacture of scale (IBM continues selling Cell Chips)
B.2) Sony keeps price keeps the quality high and continues expanding third party apps for PS3 cell abilities. The system is powerful enough to run the electronics behind a theme park for 1/4 of the price of a customized system.
C) sales increase quickly
D) BlueRay takes off
E) Sony profit climbs

This is just a pattern of events. If you follow sony you can easily see where its going I don't think there is anything that could really stop it from happening really. Unless Microsoft can come out with a ton of really great games by next year along with a new virtual reality type control scheme and wider product scenario for the xbox 360.

This is something I can see intuitively. Thus the reason I invested in SNE stock and will just watch it double double double for the next 5-6 years.

Also, there are a million different ways it can pan out. But if you just open up your thinking a bit. Imagine it if Sony did all things right or even just a few things right where would they go?

A couple of other things to add into the mix. The system is probably 2 or 3 times more powerful than a high end gaming computer. Its compatable with Linux which is the most modifyable operating system on earth. Its able to even be daisy linked to other systems. It's already on a closed hardware platform thats not likely to change for the next 8 years which means a program can be written for it with the expectation that it won't need to be updated for a long long time.

Sorry if my grammar sucks. Public School Education combined with ADHD kills me.

Re:2008 (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 7 years ago | (#19233519)

There's a problem with your item "B". Sony has lost billions and billions of dollars developing, marketing and selling the PS3, and furthermore have stated in their financial report that they want to increase profit. Dropping the price of the PS3 doesn't sound like it would help Sony with those two problems, it's more likely that any cost savings would be used to decrease the enormous pile of money they've thrown out there. Also remember that Sony has tons of PS3 in inventory which cost a lot of money to produce, if they lower the price soon they'll effectively be selling expensive PS3 at a much lower price... And how fast do you think they can clear that inventory?

For all of the above reasons, if there's a price drop, it will likely not happen very soon, and please remember that the PS3 will *always* be the most expensive current-gen console, Nintendo and Microsoft won't let the PS3 cut them off. All of this, together with the low number of third-party exclusive games doesn't bode well for PS3 sales... After all, why would someone buy a PS3 when a 360 allows them to play almost the same games for a much lower price?

Re:2008 (1)

GregPK (991973) | more than 7 years ago | (#19233611)

You are correct on B. I doubt Microsoft or Nintendo would allow a price drop go unanswered. But, that is only one part of a mulipart strategy. The PS3 is multifunctional. It can be programmed to do so many things that it's only just a matter of adding enough market to it so it sells. At that point the PS3 basically becomes what the 360 was shooting for. A mulifunction system that does everything you want it to. Movies, Music, Games, Security, Answering Machine, Email Server, Etc.

Re:2008 (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 7 years ago | (#19233645)

If Sony can pull that, I congratulate them, but so far I haven't even seen them guaranteeing the PS3 will have enough good games... And believe it or not, games are the main reason for people to buy a PS3, they don't buy one for using as a coffee or beer machine...

Re:2008 (1)

GregPK (991973) | more than 7 years ago | (#19233463)

Oh yea, great inquiry skills.
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