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Holocaust Dropped From Some UK Schools

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the careful-you-might-offend-somebody dept.

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dteichman2 writes "It appears that some UK schools are ignoring the Holocaust. A government-backed study, funded by the Department for Education and Skills, found that some teachers are reluctant to teach history lessons on the Holocaust for fear of offending Muslim students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial. Additionally, similar problems are being encountered with lessons on the Crusades because these lessons contradict teachings from local mosques."

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Interesting (3, Interesting)

Himring (646324) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252109)

I have seen posts violently modded down on /. for evening mentioning the holocaust or holocaust denial. It is interesting that it is now a full story here. I always felt the global usership of /., and differing opinions, had something to do with it....

Well (5, Insightful)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252113)

I guess if your "beliefs" include Holocaust denial, then you're excactly the person who needs a history lesson.

Re:Well (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252263)

Yeah who the fuck cares what some stupid Muslim idiot teaches in a Mosque!? If anything we should want to offend those bastards.

Re:Well (2, Informative)

anagama (611277) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252327)

Because everyone is too afraid of suicide bombers. The methods and philosophies of the dark ages are apparently working.

Re:Well (3, Insightful)

LS1 Brains (1054672) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252269)

Amen, the Muslims can deny anything they want, it doesn't change the truth. Kinda like how they say they're peace loving, and not a barbaric people. Last I checked, peace loving people weren't strapping bombs to themselves, women, and children and sending them into areas populated with civilians. *Note: This is a stereotype. I understand not *EVERY* Muslim is part of the problem. However, stereotypes exist because a large portion of the target population exhibits a certain quality, character, or characteristic. In other words, "if the shoe fits..." If you're Muslim and upset by my comments, it's time to introspect and reflect on WHY you're upset.

Re:Well (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252315)

A recent study in the US showed that 80% of Muslims were opposed to using suicide bombing as a tactic to defend Islam. I was shocked about the remaining 20%.

Re:Well (1, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252485)

What exactly does "defending" Islam mean? It's the worlds fastest growing religion, last time I checked something like that didn't exactly need "defending". However, somehow Muslims think that a person not being Muslim is an attack on Islam somehow. They love to play the victiim(much like everyone else in the world, it's the worlds most popular acting role)

Re:Well (4, Insightful)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252507)

Doesn't have to be a large majority. Just a vocal minority that causes the problems. There are a lot of peace-loving muslims around the world.

(FWIW, I am not a muslim.)

Re:Well (5, Insightful)

TheMeuge (645043) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252463)

I believe it was Bill Maher who said a couple of years ago:

"Let us not become so tolerant that we tolerate intolerance".

I think this is that kind of a scenario. And, as always, complacency will only lead further into oblivion. If this is what is happening, then it really is time for the UK to wake up. Really, that time has already come and gone, but if they finally do realize what is happening, we can forget that they're late to the party, and embrace the fact that they showed up at all.

However, the hard question is what is there to be done about this. Frankly, I am hard-pressed to see a solution to this crisis. As the percentage of the people who espouse these beliefs rises within the UK population, they are going to feel increasingly empowered, both by the virtue of their numbers, as well as due to the apparent utter impotence of the British in the face of their assault.

Deny everything (0, Flamebait)

muftak (636261) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252115)

The holocaust never happened!

Re:Deny everything (5, Insightful)

ArchdukeChocula (1096375) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252207)

Corollary to Godwin's Law: As political correctness increases the chances of ignoring the holocaust approach one.

Re:Deny everything (1)

tenchiken (22661) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252437)

Please mod parent up. That's a very very insightful comment. I used the last of my mod points yesterday.

Re:Deny everything (2, Insightful)

Himring (646324) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252305)

The single, best argument to the contrary I have ever heard is that not one defendant at the Nuremburg trials stated, in defense, that the holocaust never happened....

urgh (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252121)

Disgusting if true, but the Daily Mail is the UK's equivalent of Fox News...

Re:urgh (2, Interesting)

aslate (675607) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252297)

I believe when i last saw this pop up it was a single school somewhere, and i believe it was a single Muslim school.

I came out of education a few years ago and we got plenty of education about the Holocaust, GCSE level History was two years mostly spent on the German history between WWI and WWII. Infact, i remember hearing that the German ambassador (or somesuch) was unhappy about how much our history lessons centred on this.

I clicked the link and laughed as soon as i saw the URL: http://www.dailymail.co.uk./ [dailymail.co.uk] They make no references to the number of schools or anything else.

Thank you (1)

Loundry (4143) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252425)

It's a good thing that we have folks on the other side of the Pond who can inform us which News Outlets are categorically Good(TM) or unflinchingly Evil(TM). There is no middle ground, after all. Progressive nuance is all we need in order to know which groups should be judged unacceptable and thus banished forever in the pit of "Faux News".

Re:urgh (1)

Oxygen99 (634999) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252441)

And just in case you're wondering about the depths the Mail is prepared to stoop to bash the popular demon of political correctness, have a look at the following brief selection of lies [guardian.co.uk] they perpetrated just before Christmas. The Mail and its readers are scum.

Scaremongering (4, Insightful)

CmdrGravy (645153) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252449)

From the looks of it they are really talking about 1 school, out of the thousands in the UK that has decided not to teach, what are, optional subjects. From next year teaching the holocaust will apparently become compulsory. I wasn't taught about the crusades at school either but I don't think that had anything to do with offending the 2 muslims in the class and was more about their being other things to teach.

I wasn't aware that holocaust denial was a part of the Muslim religion, especially since their holy books etc were written long before it actually happened and I'm not sure exactly what teaching about the Crusades goes on inside mosques but if this teaching is correct then teaching it in schools as well will just re-enforce the lessons and lead to better exam grades for Muslims.

The Holocaust Happened (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252133)

And It Was Good

Denying holocaust? (1)

rzei (622725) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252135)

Could someone please explain to the uninformed why does teaching about what happened in the 20th century bother some religious people, in this case holocaust and muslims?

Re:Denying holocaust? (0, Troll)

aicrules (819392) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252251)

While it would be great if we could bitchslap collectively stupid things like this right out of people, it's their right to believe what they choose. However, it is absolutely stupid...no absolutely fucking stupid...no....absolutely mother fucking idiotic to the degree that those responsible should be executed for being a waste of air consumption stupid that this would be done to avoid offending poor widdle muslim holocaust deniers. Cry more you fucked up noobs.

Re:Denying holocaust? (3, Interesting)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252383)

Holocaust denial is generally an antisemitic point of view. The Muslims, Jews, and Christians all believe in the same deity... apparently, but that doesn't stop them from hating one another. Other famous holocaust deniers are good friends of the KKK.

It is AFAIK a religious belief. There are many arguments for or against it, but the simple fact that it happened is the strongest argument for it. There is no reason to believe that it wouldn't happen. Genocide is one of humankind's hobbies... if you will. There was Pol Pot, Husein, Chechin?, and other examples like what the Europeans in general did to the new world. The Japanese have their history, as do many other countries on this planet. There are several really good examples in the South American continent.

In fact, I think if you read the book, the Jews may have been promises the 'promised land' but they committed genocide in the process of claiming it.

Not to get on a rant, but genocide does seem to be rather common. There is no reason to think that the Germans weren't trying a bit of it on their own.

Re:Denying holocaust? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252467)

One's religious beliefs give one a sense of security, as well as justification for how they live their lives. When you present to such a person ideas that contradict their religious beliefs (and especially if you have any evidence to back them up) this challenges the integrity of their belief system, and hence makes them feel insecure and possibly unjustified.

Of course, no one likes to feel that way. The brain will often prevent one from having to feel that way by engaging in various defense mechanisms, the simplest of which is outright denial "nope, you have it all wrong." Though that usually doesn't come by itself, anger usually comes up too, with some yelling and other sorts of anger-based behavior. This engages parts of the brain which process emotions, and dis-engages parts of the brain which process logic, and as such the person can babble utter nonsence in defense of his beliefs without even realizing how irrational his arguments are.

Such emotionally-charged behavior can become dangerous, so I can see why some teachers might want to avoid it. It is a shame though...non-religious education should not have to cater to the teachings of a religion.

teach both.. (0, Troll)

middlemen (765373) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252137)

They should teach about the Holocaust and also about the denial; impart only information or content; Let the student decide what he wants to believe.

Re:teach both.. (4, Insightful)

tenchiken (22661) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252267)

Sorry. History occurred one way. It's not a relative thing. You can argue the ifs and why, but at some point you have to look at the pure documented evidence and make a judgment. The mountain of evidence on the Holocaust can't not be washed away just because people think that people ought to decide for themselves if something occured or didn't. It did occur, and any belief otherwise can not be justified by the facts.

Re:teach both.. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252359)

History is written by the victors

Re:teach both.. (2, Insightful)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252413)

History occurred one way. It's not a relative thing. You can argue the ifs and why, but at some point you have to look at the pure documented evidence
You are overlooking the fact that history is not actually awash with verifably pure documented evidence, said documentation was written by the victor and often 'altered' to suit later generations. A lot of history is open to interpretation and best guess scenarios.

Re:teach both.. (1)

anagama (611277) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252283)

And shall we add some other attribute to the FSM, present it, and let the debate ensue? There is no need to teach silliness.

Re:teach both.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252325)

Why was this modded as a troll?

Re:teach both.. (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252443)

They should teach about the Holocaust and also about the denial; impart only information or content; Let the student decide what he wants to believe.
This is not a troll, but a (sadly) funny and insightful comment on the current state of science teaching in the U.S. - it's almost literally a quote from the President of the U.S..

Old news. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252139)


We already have schools ignoring real science to avoid offending radical Christians.

Re:Old news. (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252289)

We already have schools ignoring real science to avoid offending radical Christians.
This is an excellent point. In the U.S., we allow Christian radicals to bully our school systems both positively (forcing "Intelligent Design" into science classrooms) and/or negatively (removing evolution from the curriculum).

Accomodating religion (5, Insightful)

MECC (8478) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252143)

Why does accommodating religion nearly always harm society?

Re:Accomodating religion (2, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252337)


Why does accommodating religion nearly always harm society?

Because most (all?) religions are intransigent in their core beliefs, even in the face of overwhelming contradictory evidence. Society pays the price for bending over backwards to appease fairy tales.

Re:Accomodating religion (1)

tenchiken (22661) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252393)

This is a particularly ironic (read: sadly mis-informed) comment, given that the Nazi's were social Darwinists rather then religious. And it's the secular schools that are de-emphasizing the Holocaust and the Crusades.

Re:Accomodating religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252427)

Why does religion nearly always harm society?

Fixed.

Whose society? (1)

Loundry (4143) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252477)

Why does accommodating religion nearly always harm society?

It depends on which society you're talking about. I don't see how accomodating the Muslim religion is going to harm the Muslim society, for instance. That is, unless you will argue that Muslims themselves are harmed by Muslim society by nature of their harmful religious beliefs, but that's not very multicultural of you, is it? Quite a pickle we have here...

Why is this a problem? (4, Insightful)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252145)

some teachers are reluctant to teach history lessons on the Holocaust for fear of offending Muslim students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.
Britian has several airports from where it is possible to book [one way] flights to countries where these students might find their surroundings more in harmony with their delusions.

Re:Why is this a problem? (1)

TheMeuge (645043) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252343)

I don't know why parent was modded Funny, when Insightful would've been a much more appropriate label.

Look at the source... (1)

saintm (142527) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252147)

The Daily Mail is about as reliable as Fox.

Sample headline:
DO THE UNEMPLOYED INFECT ENGLAND WITH AIDS?
http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/ [qwghlm.co.uk]

You have *got* to be sh!tt!ng me. (4, Insightful)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252157)

And I thought American schools were bad for "teaching the controversy" of Intelligent Design.

What happened to "lest we forget"???

You know, there's verifiable evidence of the Holocaust. Photos. Movies. Graveyards. Camps. Survivors.

This is a dark day for the human race.

The source.... (2, Insightful)

ben0207 (845105) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252163)

...is the Daily Mail. The most hate-filled right-wing rag we have here (it's referred to locally as the Daily Hatemail).

This is the sort of "journalism*" wiling to blame paedophilia for rising house prices, and frankly I would never believe a single thing they say, nor anything their readers say unless it was backed up by at least 3 independent sources.

And even then, I'd still take it with a metric ton of salt

*Any good editor would call it an opinion piece, and any good editor would bin it and sack the writer responsible.

So what about the Jewish people? (5, Insightful)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252165)

So we don't want to talk about the killing for 6 million (mainly Jews but of course we have gypsies, POWs, political prisoners, etc) because we will offend some radical Muslims. So by NOT talking about it we have offended the Jewish people, the Jewish faith, and anyone who thinks not talking about the mass murder is a bad idea.

I am sure I can see the reasoning though (being serious now): If we piss of the Jews they will complain vs. if we piss off the Muslims the radicals will riot, burn things, etc.

The day we stop discussing facts/history because somebody may be offended is the day we are all screwed.

Revisionism (3, Insightful)

Ngarrang (1023425) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252179)

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. But, they must first be taught that history.

LOOK AT THE DATE OF THE ARTICLE (5, Informative)

ronanbear (924575) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252185)

It was an April Fool's joke. And it was done in bad taste (what do you expect from the Mail).

It's a pretty notorious one. Cmon editors.

Oh those sensitive Muslims! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252193)

Well then, they should eliminate Biology or anything that contradicts creationism. We might want to think about dumping anything about the Protestant/Catholic wars of the 1600's, too. Hey, if we're going to stop contradicting what they teach at the religious schools/camps, let's just rid the taxpayers of the burden of secular education.

Offended? (1)

Non-CleverNickName (1027234) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252195)

They're leaving out Holocaust lessons to keep from offending Muslim students who believe in Holocaust denial?

What about offending Jewish students who are offended by the Muslim student's Holocaust denial, and may have even lost relatives in a camp?

You can't please everybody, so why ignore the truth?

Denial not part of "Religious beliefs" (1)

brewer13210 (821462) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252199)

As the earliest versions of the Koran date from 750AD, it clearly doesn't have anything to say about the Holocaust. There may be some who don't believe it happened, but there is no religious bases for that belief.

Nothing to see here... (2, Insightful)

spungo (729241) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252201)

TFA comes from the Daily Mail -- anyone who's from (or has been to) the UK will know what a filthy right-wing propagandist rag this so-called newspaper is. No over-hyped alarmist knee-jerk fabrication is too low for these people and their neo-nazi readership.

Just terrible (1)

ControversialMatt (1070718) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252205)

Honestly, this is disgusting. If you sacrifice the truths of history just so some people wont be offended you have doomed your society, one more sacrificed on the altar of Political Correctness. I very much hope that this never happens here in the United States, I'd like to think that we've got a bit more common sense then our friends across the ocean.

Re:Just terrible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252503)

Right, here in the U.S. we have the common sense to start teaching Intelligent Design, for fear of offending the Christians who can't accept the blatant truth of scientific fact.

Noah's Flood washed away Holocaust evidence! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252215)

Like creationists, sorry but your beliefs are a load of hogwash. Learn to deal with the real world.

1 + 1 = 2 is offensive to me, so I want it banned! (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252217)

1 + 1 = 2 and only 2 defies the powers of the GOD, who can change it to anything, if GOD is willing 1 + 1 will be equal 3 or even 7.

--
This is what it amounts to. It must not be allowed for a public school system to cave-in to special interest groups and religions are such groups. Either we have the real story that is taught in schools or we do not, which case is preferable?

I'm not sure which I find more horrific (1)

yakumo.unr (833476) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252221)

the (or any) historical tragedy, or that ANYONE would even CONSIDER that preaching denial of it was the thing to do.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

I call BS on the summary! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252227)

I am a muslim, and no part of our beliefs denies Holocaust! The author of the summary is either mistaken, or deliberately being malicious. In both cases, he is plain wrong about muslims' beliefs including Holocaust denial.

Beliefs of a few people in a group are NOT representative of the entire group.

Re:I call BS on the summary! (1)

scsirob (246572) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252423)

However, you chose to post as an Anonymous Coward. That wouldn't by any chance have anything to do with fear for your fellow believers, would it now??

Evolution? (1)

pr0xie (902743) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252235)

Seriously, they do teach evolution in the UK schools right? What if they just put in a sidebar that some religions, despite all the evidence shown to the contrary, choose to be ignorant regardless of the topic?

Not true, according to the government (5, Informative)

BabyDave (575083) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252241)

Not true [bbc.co.uk] . The example given is that allegedly one school didn't choose it as GCSE (Key Stage 4 - 14-16 year olds) coursework, for that reason. However it's still compulsory to teach the Holocaust in Key Stage 3 (11-14 year olds).

Oh yeah? (1)

ltjr (1066984) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252243)

I have math denial. I don't believe that 2 + 2 = 4. Actually.. I believe 2 + 2 = 71. That's it! No more math in school!

What I don't get (1)

Saint Mitchell (144618) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252261)

Why is it perfectly ok to offend the people who the tragedy happened to, but not ok to offend people who deny it ever happened to begin with?

Questions you shouldn't have to ask. (3, Insightful)

Control Group (105494) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252273)

I honestly don't know which is worse; teaching "Intelligent Design" as science, or ignoring the Holocaust as history.

On the one hand, you're denying the validity of the very scientific method itself, which can't possibly be a benefit to the future of your society. On the other, though, you're denying the atrocities societies are capable of, even in our "enlightened" era. If you don't know it happened and don't know it can happen, that has to make it more likely for it to happen again.

I suppose, upon further review, that if I had to choose, I'd rather skip the Holocaust than teach ID. The Holocaust could probably be replaced with the Khmer Rouge, Stalin's purges, and Darfur to accomplish the same goals of warning. You lose a bit of connection, since all those examples are "somewhere else" in a way that Germany in the early 20th century isn't, but they're still perfectly good examples of what can happen.

Moreover, ID is certainly more widespread in this country than Holocaust denial is in the UK, so it's certainly a more immediate threat.

Still and all, the fact that I even have to think about this is ridiculous.

Re:Questions you shouldn't have to ask. (3, Insightful)

ronadams (987516) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252403)

I would like you to do something for me: find a Holocaust survivor, look into their aging eyes, full of more painful, horrific memories than you can ever imagine, and tell them that you believe the propagation of evolution and arguing of scientifically unprovable points is more important than countering the blatant lies of anyone that would deny the Holocaust.

Don't change history for convenience (3, Insightful)

Psmylie (169236) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252287)

You shouldn't change what you teach because someone may be offended. You should only change it if it is wrong. I'm all for historical accuracy. Get the facts right, make sure you can prove it if challenged, and teach to that. If someone gets offended by that... well, they're idiots. Let them be angry, rant and rave. If they want to pull their kids out of class, then fine.

That said, I am always amazed when I watch the History channel and see how much was left out of or glossed over in the US history textbooks, especially regarding the Revolution. I'm sure that its to give kids the idea that America is great, noble, etc. etc. but I don't think that ignoring our own history (especially the mistakes we've made) does anyone any good.

LIes, damned lies and the Daily Mail (3, Insightful)

Oxygen99 (634999) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252291)

I read something insightful on Slashdot recently that suggested whenever you read something so inflammatory that you just have to comment, then you're only hearing half the story. When you click the link in the summary, please bear in mind that the Daily Mail, or The Daily Heil as its often referred to, is the most rabid of Britain's unpleasant right wing press with a history of making up and exaggerating facts in order to appease the xenophobic, homophobic, narrow-minded, bigoted, evil little people that make up their core audience.

Plus the story is dated the 2nd of April so I'm not sure what the submitter was trying to achieve other than to provoke the flamefest that will inevitably ensue.

Politically correct garbage (1, Flamebait)

bubbasatan (99237) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252293)

Really, is it so much to ask that the world stop putting up with this crap? Liberals in the United States cheered Ahmedinejad (sp?) when he held his little rah-rah last year to "study" whether the Holocaust occurred. "Let's celebrate the diversity of opinions." "Ooh, we shouldn't criticize the Muslims or they might get mad at us." And now it's, "Let's just pretend that their wrongly held little beliefs are sacrosanct and ignore the TRUTH." Come on people, wake up. If you tolerate this sort of politically correct hogwash, it will be repeated until it becomes truth.

Source (1)

StoatBringer (552938) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252301)

This is from the Daily Mail, who have a habit of blowing things out of all proportion (IMMIGRANTS ARE OVERRUNNING THE COUNTRY!! WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!! IT'S TONY BLAIR'S FAULT!!!). Take the story with a pinch of salt.

George Orwell Could Not Be Happy About This (1, Flamebait)

rogerborn (236155) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252303)

What would it be like, if you wrote about a distant Distopia, as he did in his "1984"
only to find out that it is happening already, just a generation after he wrote it?
I am glad George Orwell is not here to see this saddest chapter in the history of
a (formerly) great nation.

Rewriting history has to be one of the most sinful of crimes in this world. That,
and the attitude of capitulation which drives it. Islam has to be the new Fascism
in the world today, and will prove to be just as deadly as the one of the last
century.

So, in other words (1)

duffbeer703 (177751) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252319)

The UK is essentially endorsing antisemitism and throwing out the study of facts to satisfy religious dogma.

It's too bad that western society has grown so tolerant and decadent that it is forsaking its identity. When do they start playing the call to prayer in Trafalgar Square?

Someone should have checked snopes first! (1)

Vidar Leathershod (41663) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252331)

I thought this was supposed to be a chain letter. Slashdot editors should do what I do: install the Snopes search extension in firefox. Anyway, it was apparently one school who was "uncomfortable" teaching kids in an appropriate fashion.

Of course, not many here would approve of my hard core tactics of firing any teacher unwilling to cram information about the disgusting things that happened down a kid's throat. In a way, this may be more of our comeuppance for de-balling teachers so that they answer to the students whims, rather than have any sort of control over their classroom.

Moslems should be given the right to deport themselves if they want to preach doctrine that clearly tries to repudiate well-documented modern history.

OH NOES! (1)

Cheezymadman (1083175) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252355)

God forbid we offend someone by teaching about something that actually happened.

Maybe we should stop teaching about the Civil Rights Movement, as it may be offensive to the Klan. Might as well take out any references to the Potato Famine, too. Don't want to offend those people whose ancestors oppressed the Irish.

Here's an idea. Teach things that happened, and let people be offended. If we're lucky, they'll figure out the truth. If not, eh, they'll blow themselves up.

How could you, Hogwarts? (1)

p4rri11iz3r (1084543) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252363)

I stood by while you taught young children witchcraft.

But blatent denial of historical fact? How could you?

April Fools! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252367)

Morons. You're all Morons!

History or Religion? (1)

neiljt (238527) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252369)

If we are teaching history, then we should leave bloody religion out of it. And while I'm in rant mode, religion should not be treated as fact in schools. As with politics, children should be given an appreciation of the diversity of religions. They should not be taught that One Religion is the absolute truth, as this is clearly a lie.

The importance of the memory (2, Informative)

andreabondi (1106587) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252371)

I've recently been in Mauthausen [andreabondi.it] , for an international meeting. The worst thing have been to see the castle of Harteim (where nazism made his experiments for the "selection of the specie") restructured as a Disney's castle. Nothing of what who lived and died there have seen has been maintained.

We can't forget what happened and the cruelty human can express. We must remember and study the story not to hate but to see what hate can do.

Well, of course the holacaust never happened... (1)

PHAEDRU5 (213667) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252377)

The Iranians want nukes so they can take out Israel in its entirety. Then the muslim world will have its first...first.

Oh, the pride.

As the proverb goes (1)

tygerstripes (832644) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252385)

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it... or just flunk.
Seriously though: non-news item. It's the Daily Mail.

Daily Mail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19252391)

This is comming from a Daily Mail article a newspaper that is famed for printing rubbish with very little basis in fact, is it being reported else where, because I don't belive it until I read it from a reputible source.

Fact Checking, Anyone? (1)

Mephistophocles (930357) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252397)

I'm highly inclined to doubt the credibility of this story. This would certainly not be the first time the "Daily Mail" has had problems in that department, and the story just doesn't have a whole lot of substance as far as sources go. Anyone out there who happens to have a copy of the cited study, or perhaps some corresponding stories from other news sources?

If not I think it's probably safe to write this one off as either patently untrue, a joke (in very bad taste), or badly hyped and overstated.

Involve police OR fire teachers. (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252407)

Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Governmentbacked study has revealed.

It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.
- either there is a good reason for the teachers to be afraid to get some students upset and then it means the police must be called and these students must be investigated, OR if there is nothing really to be afraid of but the teachers still don't do their jobs, the teachers then must be fired.

Look at American Textbooks (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252421)

And see what kind of mention the the eradication of the Native American population gets, even if they mention the atrocities they almost never mention the culture of the Native Americans that was displaced. I did not learn that the Mayans were excellent Astronomers until college and only from new agey folk that talked about the Mayan calender. I can distinctly remember the Mayans being lumped in with the Aztecs as human sacrificing savages by my 7th grade world history teacher, who happened to be a deacon at his church.

Holocaust Museum (1)

allscan (1030606) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252433)

I just went through the US Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC the other weekend (my second time, much more appreciative then in high school).

All one needs to do is round up these "non-believers" and show them the facts. Show them the Nazi records that listed the profit they made on each murdered person. The Nazi's had it down to a science taking gold fillings and even selling people's hair to clothing manufacturers. Show them the photographs of mutilated and dismembered corpses, most who were still alive when such things occurred. Show them the interviews with not only US soldiers who discovered death camps, but the survivors who can never close their eyes without reliving the horror.

Let them go through such a place and still insist they do not "believe." Facts do not need to be believed, they are what they are - irrefutable proof.

As a side note, if you are making a trip to DC stop at this museum. While you're at it, bring your kids through as well and explain to them this is what happens when you hate without understanding - when leaders go without question and public challenge. All the really gory things (videos/photos of mutilations) are hidden by concrete dividers about 4 feet high.

Time to legislate the separation of church + state (1)

zerofoo (262795) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252465)

In the US, the separation of church and state is largely a by-product of our political system, but it has never specifically been spelled out in law. There are laws that prohibit favoring one religion over another in the public arena (like sanctioning a national religion), but nothing that draws the line between separation of church and state.

It is time for that law.

We have a secular government, and it is time to codify that into the laws that govern our society. Personal belief systems do not belong in public policy. This national law would help protect local governments and school boards from religious political pressure applied by a small group of very loud individuals.

-ted

Not True (2, Insightful)

pinkocommie (696223) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252471)

There is no such 'belief' about holocaust denial in Islam. I grew up as a muslim (Don't believe in religion per se at the moment) but the holocaust denial is a reaction to Israel and the resulting growing anti semitism in the muslim world. Linking it with the faith is a tad unfair

Making up one's own mind... (1)

Kalzus (86795) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252473)

...I don't have kids, but I get the impression that those who do find it dangerous, or too difficult, to explain to kids that information is usually affected by perspective.

Apart from the relative difficulty of controlling what a child is exposed to, why is this?

Religion and Education (2, Insightful)

Psx29 (538840) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252491)

I'm not sure which is worse, having evangelical Christians in the United States trying to discredit evolution as a valid scientific theory, or denying the holocaust because it will offend certain Muslims. The purpose of public school teachers should be to teach the facts to the best of their ability, it should not be about bending and twisting historical events, or science. If a child's parents do not want their child to learn about these things then send them to a private school(and no I don't believe in government backed school vouchers, I don't want _my_ tax dollars to fund your fundamentalists). It's time for public school educators to stop shirking their responsibility of teaching and start trying to break down the ignorance and dogma that has filled some of these students heads.

It's the Daily Mail (1)

Silver Sloth (770927) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252499)

Anybody who takes what the Daily Mail publishes seriously needs their head examined. They are slightly more in touch with reality than the Enquirer but not much.

Now if this story were in The Times, The Telegraph, The Independant, The Guardian...

Worst Slashdot article ever. (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 6 years ago | (#19252517)

This. Is. A. Load. Of. Bollocks.

It's an April Fool's joke from the Daily Mail, a newspaper that loves a) making shit up, b) railing against Muslim evil and c) making shit up about Muslim evil. It's bullshit, and I'm shocked that the editors didn't even notice the BBC News article about it being bullshit.
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