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Erroneous HD DVD Report Gets Tongues Wagging

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the big-fan-of-common-sense dept.

Media 52

An anonymous reader writes "HD DVD fans learned a valuable lesson in 'don't believe everything you read' this week, after the trade publication Home Media Magazine reported that the HD DVD camp planned to release more than 20x the number of releases planned on Blu-ray through the end of 2007. The suggestion was so preposterous that even the official HD DVD Promotions Group (which has the most to gain from the spread of such misinformation) has requested a correction. 'Contacted for comment, the HD DVD Promotional Group told us that the Home Media Magazine report was incorrect. The group says it "conservatively" projects a worldwide total of 600 HD DVD releases for the entirety of 2007, and that the error in the report appeared to stem from a slide in an HD DVD powerpoint presentation that listed the cumulative number of titles by month for 2006. The Home Media Magazine report also quoted a Blu-ray spokesperson as saying that Blu-ray-affiliated studios will release a total of 43 titles in 2007. This number also appears to be incorrect, given that 160 titles have already been announced through September in the U.S. alone.'"

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52 comments

How can you still be an HD DVD fan? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19260083)

Well, if "don't believe everything you read" is lesson they are just learning, I'd say you'd have to pretty stupid to have remained a fan or still cling to hope.

How can you still be an HD DVD fanboi? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19260729)

I didnt realize they had fanbois for media formats. Um, woot?

And who reads "media home" anyway? Potential fanbois, that's who.

The real question is, how do I *profit* from my complete indifference?

Re:How can you still be an HD DVD fanboi? (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 6 years ago | (#19261207)

The real question is, how do I *profit* from my complete indifference?

by touting the manufacturers making dual-disc players.

Re:How can you still be an HD DVD fanboi? (1)

benplaut (993145) | more than 7 years ago | (#19266057)

Dunno... I've seen some Ogg fans.

PS3 owners (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19260099)

If you have a TV that handles 1080p/24, Sony's 1.80 update will allow you to watch your blu-ray movies at the proper 24fps.

Re:PS3 owners (3, Interesting)

donaldm (919619) | more than 7 years ago | (#19266237)

You have been always able to play Blu-Ray movies on the PS3 (well at least the Australia/NZ, EU and UK ones do) up to 1080p if your HDTV supports this. What the 1.8 upgrade does is to allow video upscaling via HDMI of DVD movies to a HDTV that support 720p, 1080i or 1080p. In addition you can now display all PS1/2 games up to 1080p as well has the ability to smooth the picture, however you can use HDMI or component video to your HDTV to do this.

Smoothing a PS1 game on a PS2 has always been available but in many cases the soothing did not do much although to be fair a few games looked fantastic and some looked awful so you had to turn the feature off. I would assume this will be the case with the 1.8 PS3 upgrade except it would be applied to both PS2 and PS1 games. I have tried the new update on a PS1 game which I know needed smoothing and it did look quite nice (not fantastic but much more playable) but this is the only game I have had the time to try out the new feature on.

I have an Australian PS3 which means the machine uses software emulation. All my PS1 games (I have about 20) work, however not all my PS2 games work (most I have finished anyway) but all the ones I am currently playing do so I am quite happy.

There are more changes and some of them are quite good, however you can read the following URL for more info http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/Network/Updates [playstation.com] .

The 1.8 download is over 100MB so you would need a decent high speed line or you could contact a "friend" (ie. work ... etc) and get the download on a memory card (CF, SD or Memory Stick) or usb drive and then do the update which takes about 5 minutes.

It is amazing the number of times people get HDTV wrong it is really very simple. If you have a TV that has resolutions 1280x220 (720p or i) and 1920x1080 (1080p or i) then and only then do you have a HDTV. Other resolutions are 720x480 (NTSC) and 768x576 (PAL) which are standard definition (SDTV). There are other standards but lets not get too complicated. As for picking a HDTV it really depends on what you want to spend keeping in mind that under 40" you will get 720p (SDTV up to 1080i) and above 40" you can get 720p or 1080p which costs about 20% to 60% more.

For more details see the following http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_telev ision [wikipedia.org] as a good intro to HDTV.

Re:PS3 owners (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 7 years ago | (#19267015)

1080p has always been possible, yes. But 1080p/24 is amazing news. If I could afford the necessary setup, I'd be switching from my current HD-DVD only position right away. Unlike disc capacity (30Gb is easily enough to fit a film on in high quality, thanks to the wonders of AVC) or PCM support (Dolby TrueHD is lossless), this is a real point the format now has over the opposition.

Re:PS3 owners (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19267717)

Not quite, there are multiple 1080p modes, and people are only just understanding this when they get bitten on the bum. What the PS3 has been doing with the original 1080p is 1080p/60. This is suitable for games but is undesirable for movies. Why? Movies are shot at 24fps. Displaying them at 1080p/24 gives you the real deal. There are no silly pulldown games going on, and you won't see any juddering on panning motion shots. Blu-ray disks are 24fps, the way it should be. This makes the PS3 a damn fine blu-ray player in its own right - finally.

The 1.80 update only took about 3-4 minutes to download/install for me in the US. It was one of the fastest I've seen.

Tell me, can you play NTSC DVDs on the PS3 down-under? The US machines won't touch PAL discs, even if they're region free :(

Re:PS3 owners (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 7 years ago | (#19269153)

Not sure about NTSC because I have a PAL PS3, however I still understand (can't prove it though) that all movies are still locked to regions as is PS1/2 games, which is why people in countries that have PAL get burnt if they import a PS3 from a country that uses NTSC. Of course if you know this and are willing to import PS2/1 games then ok. I know that PS3 games are supposed to region free but I am unsure if a US PS3 game would play on a PAL PS3 although the HD component should work. For me I would not bother because we get most of the games the US gets usually at the same time or a few weeks later and if you are willing to wait three to six months you can normally get the game at half price.

I tested the PS3 with some PS2 games that would not play or had "artifacts" (weird polygons) when I got home from work and they definitely have increased the number of PS2 games you can now play and it actually does quite a passable up-conversion to 720p and 1080i using component although I have not tried HDMI which my TV does have (I only have a 37" Sharp Aquos so component is good enough). Anyone got a larger HDTV that will do 1080p that can comment?

It must be noted that the PS1/2 game up-conversion does not compare with a naive PS3 game but it definitely improves the picture. Out of all my PS2 games only one does not work and the other one (The Bards Tale) has "artifacts".

Report wagging tounges (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 6 years ago | (#19260105)

I got dibs on the patent.

common sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19260235)

this is what common sense and critical reading are for. just like some of those junk magazines that say something like bigfoot father of lockness alien baby elvis or something like that.

Re:common sense (1)

Nullav (1053766) | more than 6 years ago | (#19261487)

bigfoot father of lockness alien baby elvis

Now that's something I want to see!

New goatse report gets penises wagging (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19260297)

Read all about it. [goatse.ch]

Erroneous English (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19260417)

"This number also appears to be incorrect, given that 160 titles have already been announced through to September in the U.S. alone."

Actually this has happened before (2, Informative)

zoomshorts (137587) | more than 6 years ago | (#19260443)

The VHS camp purchased tons more titles and sealed the BetaMax format's doom way back when.
It is a good, yet costly way to gain dominance.

20X the releases? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19260507)

So they were going to release 20 titles?

Re:20X the releases? (1)

ziggy171 (1007369) | more than 7 years ago | (#19265909)

no no my friend, 20 times the titles, twenty-fold if you will

"HD DVD fans" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19260523)

"When the shit hits the fans"

Sony Sux (-1, Troll)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 6 years ago | (#19260553)

Enough Said. Stating facts is not trolling.

Re:Sony Sux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19260773)

Stating facts is not trolling.

Quite true, and if you'd stated some facts you wouldn't be trolling, but you didn't.

Appearances are decieving... (1)

penguinwhoflew (904673) | more than 6 years ago | (#19260561)

"... Blu-ray-affiliated studios will release a total of 43 titles in 2007. This number also appears to be incorrect, given that 160 titles have already been announced..."

Sure the number APPEARS to be incorrect, but in actuality...

That's all well and good (4, Funny)

aegisalpha (58712) | more than 6 years ago | (#19260655)

But how many of the 600 planned releases are high quality porn?

Re:That's all well and good (1)

burnetd (90848) | more than 6 years ago | (#19260753)

Apparently that industry is not fond of HD, as it puts the cost of make up up to much...

Re:That's all well and good (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19261969)

That, and Sony & Disney have forbid Blu-ray replication of adult material...

Re:That's all well and good (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 6 years ago | (#19262057)

dude, that is the one thing I DO NOT want to see in HD.
-nB

Re:That's all well and good (1)

KC9AIC (858812) | more than 7 years ago | (#19264669)

They have high quality pr0n now? Back when I was a kid, there were no humans to copulate with, and the only lubricant we had was molten rock!

Re:That's all well and good (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#19270705)

You had molten rock? Spoiled kid! In MY day, all we had was sandpaper. And the sandpaper had nails sticking out if it. And the nails were on fire.

What's clear is... (3, Insightful)

no_opinion (148098) | more than 6 years ago | (#19260789)

What's clear is that nothing is clear. Neither format is winning. The longer this keeps up, the more likely it is that the replacement format to DVD will be unprotected video downloads. This is what's happening with music, and the motion picture studios are repeating almost every mistake the majors made.

Re:What's clear is... (1)

KuRa_Scvls (932317) | more than 7 years ago | (#19263617)

....Only in America.

Most of Europe hasn't seen the likes of HD-DVD yet.

In Australia where I live in, Only Blu-Ray movies and games are on the shelf.

In Japan, similar story.

It's pretty much no contest outside America.

Re:What's clear is... (1)

asc99c (938635) | more than 7 years ago | (#19267207)

Here in the UK, there has been a MASSIVE turnaround in HD-DVD / Blu-Ray fortunes. When I ordered my PS3 a couple of days after launch, I went out looking for a couple of Blu-Ray discs to try out. All the high street stores were stocking many more HD-DVDs and only about 12 Blu-Rays in total, none of which I was interested in.

We're now a few weeks after PS3 launch, and recently when I was in HMV, I noticed the Blu-Ray section was suddenly three times the size of HD-DVD. Same story in Asda, which even had sensibly priced Blu-Ray discs. It's still a small section of the DVD space but going on shelf area, Blu-Ray is well ahead here.

You must be joking (3, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#19263955)

Come on, neither format is winning?

* Blu-Ray discs, since the start of the year, have outsold HD-DVD discs by three to one margin (or higher).

* There are around 200k HD-DVD players in the US today. There are 2+ MILLION PS3's that play Blu-Ray, plus whatever standalone players Blu-Ray has managed to sell.

* Universal is the only major studio still wholly behind HD-DVD (The Weinstien Brothers have announced Hard Boiled will come on Blu-Ray, including the movie and a PS3 game).

* Funai, an HD-DVD backer just announced they will be selling a cheap Blu-Ray player later this year.

The winner is clear. I predict Universal, in a bit over two months or so, will announce they too will producing Blu-Ray titles - they cannot afford to be the major backer of a system that has a sales rate three times less than what they otherwise might get using Blu-Ray during the Christmas shopping season when the Blu-Ray press will be at its mightiest from Sony and Disney and other studios.

Re:You must be joking (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 7 years ago | (#19267053)

Blu-Ray is comfortably out-selling HD-DVD as a whole, yes. But I don't think you'll hear anything from Universal before September at the very earliest. Crucially, when looking at dual-format releases in instances where they don't stupidly make the HD-DVD version more expensive, the sales margin is nowhere near as close for most films.

Right now, the evidence seems to suggest that Blu-Ray is winning by releasing more, and more popular films. Because right now, a lot of sales are to people with both formats. The Toshiba HD-A2 is both insanely cheap now, and an excellent upscaling DVD player, so anyone after the HD-DVD exclusives might as well get it.

Now, obviously multiple formats isn't something I expect the masses to be doing, but at the moment sales are still largely to the A/V geeks for which that's the cost of the hobby.

I'll agree you're right about Christmas being a big time for Blu-Ray, though. I actually think that Warner are going to hold the big card here, because the utter incompetence of the Blu-Ray steering group to finalize the interactivity spec means that old news like The Matrix, Potter 4 and Batman Begins will be turning up as shiny new things for the format, rather than languishing ignored in the back catalogue section for HD-DVD.

Re:You must be joking (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#19269645)

Blu-Ray is comfortably out-selling HD-DVD as a whole, yes. But I don't think you'll hear anything from Universal before September at the very earliest. Crucially, when looking at dual-format releases in instances where they don't stupidly make the HD-DVD version more expensive, the sales margin is nowhere near as close for most films.

September may well be more accurate.

The sales figures for many dual releases are hard to plumb though because most are DVD/HD-DVD combo discs, masking sales from those who really only have a DVD player. The "Planet Earth" was an exception to that though.

Right now, the evidence seems to suggest that Blu-Ray is winning by releasing more, and more popular films. Because right now, a lot of sales are to people with both formats. The Toshiba HD-A2 is both insanely cheap now, and an excellent upscaling DVD player, so anyone after the HD-DVD exclusives might as well get it.

Yes the Toshiba is cheap now, but with the latest firmware update the PS3 is an even better upscaling DVD player, and you get a game system to boot along with a more easily updatable player (important over the next year as the AACS format continues to be cracked).

I'll agree you're right about Christmas being a big time for Blu-Ray, though. I actually think that Warner are going to hold the big card here, because the utter incompetence of the Blu-Ray steering group to finalize the interactivity spec

I think the spec was finalized (Pirates makes use of BD-J), it was just the mandate that spec be included in all Blu-Ray players that was languishing. I may have missed some aspect of that though.

Re:You must be joking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19267101)

Where are your facts for this (?) link(?)

All the sales charts I have seen from amazon/dvdempire etc show that BD *was* ahead but now is at about a 50/50 split.

If you jump over to avsforum you will find the links to companies sales figures.

I Don't think its as clear cut as you are making out

Re:You must be joking (5, Insightful)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19267153)

You're falling for the kind of skewed impression Sony wanted to achieve with PS3.

I'm not the "paste your post and refute line by line" kinda poster, but it just kinda lends itself to this format best so there we go:

* There are around 200k HD-DVD players in the US today. There are 2+ MILLION PS3's that play Blu-Ray, plus whatever standalone players Blu-Ray has managed to sell.

100% of the people who bought HD DVD players, bought them to play HD DVD movies. I can guarantee you that the vast, VAST majority of PS3 owners got it to play games.

How many standalone Blu-Ray players were sold out there? Let's compare those numbers for a more realistic trend.

Whether they'll buy enough Blu-Ray titles in the future to match HD DVD is yet to be seen.

* Blu-Ray discs, since the start of the year, have outsold HD-DVD discs by three to one margin (or higher).

Sony bundle the PS3 with Blu-Ray movies and put this in their sale figures. Again, notice the buyers didn't have much choice. They just got it with their PS3.

The trend in such a case may have nothing to do with current sales figures.

* Universal is the only major studio still wholly behind HD-DVD (The Weinstien Brothers have announced Hard Boiled will come on Blu-Ray, including the movie and a PS3 game).

How many studios (except Sony Pictures I presume) are only behind Blu-Ray?

* Funai, an HD-DVD backer just announced they will be selling a cheap Blu-Ray player later this year.

Anecdotal evidence alert. Also they just saw the match is kinda even so far, so it's normal they want to sell Blu-Ray players.

But they won't stop selling HD-DVD players either.

Refutations (2, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#19269561)

100% of the people who bought HD DVD players, bought them to play HD DVD movies. I can guarantee you that the vast, VAST majority of PS3 owners got it to play games.

Say only 10% of PS3 owners use the system to play Blu-Ray discs - that's still more than the total number of HD-DVD players, by a wide margin! And the PS3 alone continues to outsell the whole group of HD-DVD players (yes, even with lower sales) meaning that lead is only increasing.

Now what happens when a really popular title actually clicks with the public? Sales that swamp any HD-DVD releases, because there are simply so many more PS3's around than HD-DVD players. Yes PS3 owners are probably a much more casual buying group but with millions more, that simply does not matter when you have millions more people buying.

Whether they'll buy enough Blu-Ray titles in the future to match HD DVD is yet to be seen.

We have been seeing it all year, with continued Blu-Ray sales of three to one over HD-DVD! How can you wave those numbers away arbitrarily when the release schedule, and player sales figures, make it obvious that ratio will only increase? What happens if as rumored Star Wars comes out later this year on Blu-Ray, and more Pixar movies as well? But even without those with a fleet of movies like Pirates and Spiderman on Blu-Ray going against the best exclusive Blu-Ray has to offer (the Bourne Identity) it's pretty clear a sales advantage will continue.

Sony bundle the PS3 with Blu-Ray movies and put this in their sale figures. Again, notice the buyers didn't have much choice. They just got it with their PS3.

The trend in such a case may have nothing to do with current sales figures.


The free movie was only with the first 500k PS3's sold. That helped spike earlier in the year but does not explain the whole year, or even anything past January. How much of the HD-DVD sales figures are the FIVE FREE movies they give away with every Toshiba HD-DVD player? Seems like your argument is easily turned on its head.

How many studios (except Sony Pictures I presume) are only behind Blu-Ray?

The other major ones are Disney (perhaps you've heard of Pixar or Pirates) and Fox (perhaps you've heard of Star wars?). Also MGM and Lionsgate...

How many more do you need? Look at what the sole remaining HD-DVD exclusive studio (Universal) can provide in movies vs the five above. That there is a war at all is simply an illusion pulled over your eyes by the many people here on Slashdot who want to see Sony fail. I don't own a Blu-Ray player. I don't own a PS3. It means nothing to me if one format succeeeds over the other - yet the winner here is obvious just from studio support alone, even inn goring technical advantages Blu-Ray has (not that pure technical advantages have ever won a format war before anyway).

Anecdotal evidence alert. Also they just saw the match is kinda even so far, so it's normal they want to sell Blu-Ray players.

How is this anecdotal [blu-ray.com] ? How does it mean nothing when slowly HD-DVD backers peel away to support Blu-Ray - as it continues to enjoy a three to one or larger sales margin? With those numbers and that studio support eventually the reasons to keep building HD-DVD players will wane.

But they won't stop selling HD-DVD players either.

In order to stop, wouldn't they have to start? I'm not sure we've even seen HD-DVD players from Funai yet (I can't find any at Amazon under the brand names I know use them). They were in the HD-DVD consortium but that does not mean they were making players.

Re:Refutations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19271875)

Mod Parent +1, Severe Asswhooping.

Re:Refutations (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 7 years ago | (#19312779)

What happens if as rumored Star Wars comes out later this year on Blu-Ray,

No one will buy them, because they're crap? (At least the prequels are, and they've totally ruined Episodes 4-6 by association.)

Originals still fine (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#19313377)

It's wrong to let poor later versions of a movie ruin the enjoyment of earlier versions. Someone can still enjoy the first Matrix even if they loathe the others.

In any case your point does nothing to counter my own, for regardless of your feelings of the new movies they (and the originals) continue to be big sellers.

Re:You must be joking (1)

soupd (1099379) | more than 7 years ago | (#19269591)

Like most people, I don't care who "wins" the "war", either in terms of profits or sales, but as a consumer Blu-ray is looking a safe bet right now.

100% of the people who bought HD DVD players, bought them to play HD DVD movies. I can guarantee you that the vast, VAST majority of PS3 owners got it to play games.
Which has what to do with the price of fish? Before the PS3 launched, Blu-ray disc sales were appalling; after it launched and steadily increasing since that launch, Blu-ray disc sales have increased, caught up with, and then overtaken sales of HD-DVD discs. Recall that HD-DVD launched earlier and the players are generally cheaper.

There are two plausible explanations for this. People with PS3s are - OH MY GOD - using the Blu-ray capabilities and playing movies. Or, those REALLY dedicated folks who stand-alone Blu-ray players are just buying tons of discs to make the format look successful. Hmmm, I wonder which..

Sony bundle the PS3 with Blu-Ray movies and put this in their sale figures. Again, notice the buyers didn't have much choice. They just got it with their PS3.
Yeah it was quite a shock when the Sony stormtroopers knocked at my door then forced me to buy a PlayStation3. Huh? You don't want a PlayStaion3 with Blu-ray? Don't buy a PlayStation3. I know, I know.. it amazed me to find out that purchasing wasn't compulsory and we don't live in a Stalinist society where we're forced to buy things we don't want.

How many studios (except Sony Pictures I presume) are only behind Blu-Ray?
In terms of major Hollywood studios, Universal are exclusively supporting HD-DVD; Columbia Pictures, MGM, Disney, Lionsgate, and 20th Century Fox are exclusively supporting Blu-ray and the remaining studios are agnostic.

Re:You must be joking (1)

angus_rg (1063280) | more than 7 years ago | (#19269789)

Right on. 2/3s of what you hear from both sides is propaganda and the othe 1/3 is bull caca. If I had a nickel for every rumor I heard about both that ended up not being true, I'd own a BR player and a HDDVD player, as well as every title under the sun, and be at my vacation home in Bora Bora, and my wife would be ok with my extra curricular activities with Jenna Jameson, so long as she still gets to go shopping on Rodeo Drive.

Other things to keep in mind, Xbox 360 sales are still doubling what PS3 sales are. And of all the add-ons for all game systems, one of the most popular is the HD-DVD play, so PS3 comment winning the war is nullified. Hardware superiority sure hasn't helped stop Sony from loosing 43mil this year in their gaming division. The PS2 is outselling the PS3, and the Wii is outselling the Xbox 360. Go HD graphics.

This cheap bluray player follows a month after I heard cost of BR laser production was dropping from $125 a laser to $8 dollars. Why the cost drop? It was a supply issue and I have heard nothing about the supply improving. Why hasn't this been picked up by any major new source? Who cares?

Not the average Joe Schmoe. Most people do not own a HD TV, and there for don't see the need for the technology. So try as either side might, it's going to be tough to sway people to any side when half the people can't tell the difference between a VHS tape and a DVD when viewed on their 32 inch 4x3 crt TV. It's like trying to get a faithfully married couple to care about a Genital Herpes commercial. Watch out for those public toilets.

BR is technically superior if size matters. However, if seek time matters, it isn't. Half of the BR games use duplicate data to speed up load time nullifying their benefit.

Production of HD DVDs cost 1/4 of what it costs to produce the same yield of blu ray. Call me crazy 4*30 = 120 > 50 seems a lot more superior to me. I guess size does matter, and maybe that is why most XXX companies are solely going with HD DVD.

Lack of standards. BR standards were poorly defined, and as a result, we have the Java debacle. Ah, yes, but people can just update the firmware in many instances. AV people are not geeks. The average AV user couldn't understand throwing a cd in to update the firmware, and since BR didn't mandate an Ethernet port, makes it even tougher, not that it would help.

Sony has never won a format war as they always shoot for the moon, and not what their customers need. The last format they had that was prevalent had no competition and was a Sony/Philips combination which birthed Compaq Discs. Amazing how well a format does when companies put their heads together. Ah, John Nash, I see why you won the Nobel Prize.

Toshiba is doing a lousy job promoting their product and pointing out the many follies Sony has made. They had enough to make people pay attention to them like a beer commercial during the Super bowl, but instead have gotten the back seat like a Masengil commercial during a soap opera. Call me crazy, people would pay more attention if Toshiba advertised flavors like filet mignon instead of country flower.

No one side is winning despite the BS they claim, and no one is going to win anytime soon. Both sides have made catastrophic blunders, and will continue to make more. Though you could claim HD DVD will be the winner solely on the fact they are the only format featuring Army of Darkness. Gimme some sugar baby.......

Re:You must be joking (1)

gravis777 (123605) | more than 7 years ago | (#19271999)

Wow, someone ranting on Slashdot. What a surprise. I also usually do not do a quote and paste, but must in this case.

* There are around 200k HD-DVD players in the US today. There are 2+ MILLION PS3's that play Blu-Ray, plus whatever standalone players Blu-Ray has managed to sell.

100% of the people who bought HD DVD players, bought them to play HD DVD movies. I can guarantee you that the vast, VAST majority of PS3 owners got it to play games.

How many standalone Blu-Ray players were sold out there? Let's compare those numbers for a more realistic trend.
When you go to register the PS3, one of the questions asked is why you bought the PS3, and the answers include to Play games, Watch BluRay movies, or for the Cell Processor. If people are picking that they bought it because of the BluRay player, then that is the consumers reporting this, not FUD from Sony.

I am the only one I know who has a PS3. I bought it primaraly for the BluRay, but doubt I would have payed $600 for the BluRay player alone. I would not have payed $600 for a game system alone. However, $600 for a next-gen game console, an HD video player, and for something to upscale my older games was deffinately worth the price. I have two PS3 games, 12 BluRay movies, and tons of demos. Keep in mind that there are only about 20 PS3 games out right now, and they are in different generas, so at the moment, the PS3 is not a strong gaming platform (although many are suppsoed to be released this year).

I know people who have both a standalone BluRay player and a standalone HDDVD player, and, surprise of surprise, most of their purchaces lately have been BluRay. The only movies I can think of that were exclusive to HD-DVD that I had any intrest in was Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (surprising as its a WB disc, who is releasing movies for both formats), and the Matrix Trilogy (also a WB title). Strangely, Terminators 1-2 were released only on BluRay whereas 3 was released only on HDDVD.

* Blu-Ray discs, since the start of the year, have outsold HD-DVD discs by three to one margin (or higher).

Sony bundle the PS3 with Blu-Ray movies and put this in their sale figures. Again, notice the buyers didn't have much choice. They just got it with their PS3.

The trend in such a case may have nothing to do with current sales figures.
Really? I should demand my money back, I certainly did not get any movies bundled with my PS3. However, I see ads all the time saying you get free HD-DVD movies when you buy a HD-DVD player. Sounds like you got your formats reversed. Sony bundles nothing with their PS3. No game, no movie. Toshiba bundles in some cases up to 5 movies with their HD-DVD players (many of the movies they show in their ads I have on BluRay, such as Last Samurai and Phantom of the Opera). Yet BluRay is still outselling HD-DVD

A news article from Blu-ray.com:

PS3 Boosts European Blu-ray Sales

Posted May 21, 2007 by Josh

Blu-ray Disc Prior to the release of the PS3 in Europe, HD DVD was comfortably outselling Blu-ray discs on a weekly basis. But now, less than two months since PS3's release, Blu-ray has gained a 64% share on the year, and consistently outsells HD DVD weekly. Specifically, last week's data shows Blu-ray having a weekly sales ratio 3-to-1 over HD DVD, a ratio Blu-ray in the US has only managed once (when Casino Royale was released).
Sounds to me like the PS3 is deffinately driving the sales of BluRay movies.

* Universal is the only major studio still wholly behind HD-DVD (The Weinstien Brothers have announced Hard Boiled will come on Blu-Ray, including the movie and a PS3 game).

How many studios (except Sony Pictures I presume) are only behind Blu-Ray?
Disney (Pirates of the Carabian, Dinosaur, Cars (coming soon) Narnia (coming soon)), Lions Gate (Stargate), 20th Century Fox, MGM, Sony.

Sounds like the poster should do a bit of research before

Yet another HD DVD vs. Blu-ray article (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 6 years ago | (#19260797)

Can we add a new "HD DVD vs. Blu-ray" category for these inane weekly "we have more titles than you" stories?

Re:Yet another HD DVD vs. Blu-ray article (2, Funny)

ajd1474 (558490) | more than 7 years ago | (#19266297)

I was sure that that said "we have more titties than you"....it'll be the only way HD-DVD wins this war

Shill magazines (3, Insightful)

billcopc (196330) | more than 6 years ago | (#19261175)

Seems to me like this magazine finally blew it's (already weak) cover. It's one thing to have advertising on every other page of a magazine, it's another when the rest of the book is all payola.

I stopped reading computer magazines a long time ago, right around the time we went from 20 mags to 200, right around the time mags started having product names in their TITLE, right around the time that all the good advertisers moved elsewhere and let the scammers fill the pages with their counterfeit system-on-a-chip-made-in-china rackets.

The only paper mag I don't knock is DDJ, and even then I thought they were running a bit dry as of late with all the regurgitated Java bullshit. Magazines have become largely obsolete, replaced by top-shelf blogs.

600 releases (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19262123)

What they actually mean is that they plan to sell about 600 discs. Each will be personally numbered and signed.

The Real Number of Interest (2, Funny)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#19262355)

The real number of interest, how many titles in each format will be broken, ripped, and torrented first?

Re:The Real Number of Interest (1)

adona1 (1078711) | more than 7 years ago | (#19264035)

Personally, it's not even something I'd bother with. What a lot of people forget is that a hell of a lot of films aren't really worth watching in HD. Whilst big things like Lord of the Rings [amazon.com] , The Matrix [amazon.com] or Star Wars would look great on a big screen in Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, there's a hell of a lot of movies worth watching (Clerks, American Werewolf [amazon.com] , Animal House [amazon.com] etc) which would give nothing in a hi-def format, and may well look worse than regular DVD. In most cases, regular DVDs would provide pretty much the same experience at a much better price.

Personally, one reason I would look seriously at next gen formats would be if they provided entire TV shows on one or two discs. Same quality, possibly even same price, but hell of a space saver. But I doubt that will happen soon :)

And for the ultimate in irony... (1)

Talez (468021) | more than 7 years ago | (#19263273)

My copy of this page is display a Blu-Ray ad...

Lies, Damned Lies, Charts (1)

Stochastism (1040102) | more than 7 years ago | (#19263439)

Sounds like someone in the Home Media stable was having a bad day when they looked at the HD-DVD slide presentation. But I think some blame might have to go to the HD-DVD group for possibly spinning the truth via dubious chart presentation practices. I.e., it sounds suspiciously like they used a cummulative measure of releases over the months, instead of releases per month, just to make sure they had a chart that keeps going up! Was the the same presentation that gave Home Media the idea that Blu-Ray were only going to release 43? Perhaps another chart?

The world is full of companies spinning the truth, but still maintaining complete deniability.

Re:Lies, Damned Lies, Charts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19264115)

Even more interesting is that none of the MS HDDVD "insiders", including amirm (VP) and benwaggoner who wrote/gave the presentation corrected the misunderstanding in the long flame filled thread that appeared on avsforum...

Tongue Wagging on /.? (1)

gringer (252588) | more than 7 years ago | (#19263867)

Erroneous HD DVD Report Gets Tongues Wagging


Except here at /., where this "main article" only has 27 comments (at the time of my posting).
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