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OLPC Game Jam for an XO Laptop

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the think-of-the-children dept.

Programming 72

An anonymous reader writes "The OLPC project has announced a three-day game development jam session is scheduled to begin June 8 on the campus of Olin College, an engineering school in Needham, Massachusetts. 'The game jam is an opportunity for developers to create new types of games that rely on features of the XO's design such as mesh networking between nearby users, an integrated still or video camera, and a tablet mode for mobile gaming. Beyond creating games that teach specific tasks like counting or reading, OLPC hopes the contest will produce templates that allow kids to build their own games, according to OLPC's development guidelines.' The grand prize is a free OLPC laptop. All games created at the weekend-long event will be licensed under the GNU General Public License, and posted on the SourceForge site."

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Battle of.... (-1, Offtopic)

Aliencow (653119) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284463)

Battle of the first posts?

I Can't Wait... (1)

Cap'nPedro (987782) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284473)

....F0or someone to port Quake III Team Arena!

And I can't wait for someone to port goatse (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19284553)

Re:I Can't Wait... (1)

Kyojin (672334) | more than 7 years ago | (#19286933)

Try http://www.nexuiz.com/ [nexuiz.com]

Or make it live action ! (1)

DrYak (748999) | more than 7 years ago | (#19286973)

GPS Quake !

More seriously, even if the mesh doesn't provide GPS-grade precision, the mesh may have some interesting localisation-like possibility, like counting how much "mesh-hops" apart are the children. This could enable some guesstimation about position.

Maybe not enough for live-action Quake.
But definitely something to consider for making a kind of Radar-Assisted game of Hide'n'Seek.

Novelty item? (1)

furball (2853) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284475)

How likely does the grand prize winner(s) need an OLPC laptop?

Re:Novelty item? (5, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284527)

How likely does the grand prize winner(s) need an OLPC laptop?

If you're taking part in this competition, chances are very good that you support the mission of the OLPC program. If you win and receive an actual unit, it just makes further development and testing for the platform that much easier for you. It's more about supporting the goal than it is about the payout (hey, isn't that what OSS is generally about?).

Re:Novelty item? (2, Insightful)

furball (2853) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284693)

I'm willing to bet you can get a VMWare/Parallels/etc. configuration to mimmic an OLPC laptop that'd make testing and development much easier than with OLPC itself.

Re:Novelty item? (4, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284777)

I do quite a bit of development for my PDA and whilst I have an emulator environment for it whilst developing, nothing says "usability test" better than putting it on the device and going sitting away from a real pc with a mouse.

Re:Novelty item? (1)

OECD (639690) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284809)

If you win and receive an actual unit, it just makes further development and testing for the platform that much easier for you.

The part that throws me is that they're only giving away one XO for first place. These things are supposed to be cheap, give away a bunch. Give the best entries two (to facillitate testing of mesh-dependent software.)

Re:Novelty item? (1)

OECD (639690) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284925)

On closer reading, they have four distinct development tracks, so there might be four separate prizes. Anyone know the details?

Re:Novelty item? (2, Insightful)

ClassMyAss (976281) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285397)

It's more about supporting the goal than it is about the payout (hey, isn't that what OSS is generally about?).
True. Though as a New Englander that might have considered attending, it would have been better if TFA had been posted before the May 20 deadline to register [hackronym.com] instead of a week late...

Re:Novelty item? (1)

wellingj (1030460) | more than 7 years ago | (#19286673)

It's more about supporting the goal than it is about the payout (hey, isn't that what FOSS is generally about?)
Had to fix that one ;)

Re:Novelty item? (2, Insightful)

grumbel (592662) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284611)

A laptop with a 200dpi displays would be very useful in the first world as well, affordable ebook readers are pretty rare and the OLPCs XO laptop looks like a pretty nice machine in that category.

Airfare? (0, Offtopic)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284507)

How is it possible for the vast majority of people who wish to compete in these events to do so without having to spend hundreds of dollars on round-trip airfare?

Re:Airfare? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19284563)

Yeah and fuck all these websites like slashdot that force me to travel all the way outside of my subnet.

Re:Airfare? (1)

megaditto (982598) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284569)

Most of the developers will be students, which means that they can probably get some kind of assistance from their department, from a professor's grant, a travel grant from their university (public service and whatnot) or even a collection like those people running marathons or building houses.

Worst come to worst, they can give up their Spring Break plans and pay for the trip themselves. Which would YOU chose, a hazy week of drunken stupor and puke-filled orgies on the beach or three days with your developer buddies, eh?

Re:Airfare? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19284609)

Yeah, no kidding. "Let's schedule this thing about as far away from the massive majority of US developers as possible while still remaining in the US!"

If their goal was to force an 8-hour flight onto developers, they could have had the decency to schedule it in Hawaii, instead of Taxachusetts.

Seriously, why not in California near Silicon Valley? Because they might actually get people to participate?

Re:Airfare? (3, Insightful)

bfields (66644) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284641)

How is it possible for the vast majority of people who wish to compete in these events to do so without having to spend hundreds of dollars on round-trip airfare?

It looks like there's also a $100 registration fee, but that includes food and lodging for the event. Seems to me like they're actually working pretty hard to keep it inexpensive. There's also a scholarship [hackronym.com] to reduce the costs for students. I'm sure they'd be happy to do more, given the money--see their donation [hackronym.com] page if you know anyone that could chip in.

Re:Airfare? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285991)

There's also a scholarship to reduce the costs for students. I'm sure they'd be happy to do more, given the money--see their donation page if you know anyone that could chip in.

Oh, goodie, so after spending about $300 on a round-trip ticket, (not to mention hotel costs, and travel costs to/from the airport), you can attend for a mere $50.

Wonderful.

Or they could hold it someplace where developers actually live instead of Bumfuck Massachusetts.

I know professionalism is out of the question (0, Troll)

denttford (579202) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284513)

But if the summary includes a reference to sourceforge, you should disclose the business relationship through OSTG. No exceptions, no matter how tangential.

Yes, many people know, and there is a (small) link on the top of the page, but even the semblance of editing is appreciated.

Hrmm.... (2, Interesting)

Odiumjunkie (926074) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284519)

Wii Sports with the foot-operated power generator [olpcnews.com] , anyone?

Re:Hrmm.... (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284617)

Wii Sports with the foot-operated power generator, anyone?

Virtual loom?

I see it (-1, Troll)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284525)

OLPC games used by pedophiles to track kids. Tell me it's not coming.

Now, not saying OLPC is at fault but... history repeats over and over it seems.

Re:I see it (5, Informative)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284551)

Please don't be fucking stupid. The whole think of the children shit is bullshit. Don't fear monger. The following is from a post I made at another forum (RevLeft.com) http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=66768&v iew=findpost&p=1292321122 [revleft.com] .

If nothing else, as I said earlier, most sexual abuse on children is by relatives and close family friends. It isn't by "paedophiles", but is rather simply opportunistic. The people we should be worried about are those who actually are abusive, not just those who have thoughts that maybe abusive (or maybe about consensual sex for all we know).
QUOTE (http://www.nncc.org/Abuse/sex.abuse.html)
Eighty-five percent of sexual assaults on children are committed by someone the child knows and usually trusts - an immediate family member, a relative, a neighbor, or a friend of the family.

QUOTE (http://www.ocfs.state.ny.us/main/publications/Pub 1154text.asp)
In many cases reported in New York State and nationwide, children are sexually abused by people they know and trust - relatives (even parents or siblings), friends of the family, and authority figures (teachers, youth group leaders, clergy, etc.). Sexual abuse usually occurs in places where children feel comfortable or safe - at home or in the home of a family friend.

QUOTE (http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/your_kids/safety_s exual.shtml)
Sexual abuse is far more likely to be carried out by someone a child knows, such as a relative or friend of the family, than by a stranger. And sometimes older children abuse younger children.

Re:I see it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19285079)

don't know why but feel compelled to resond.
This may be anecotal, but I was molested by someone
that preyed on the coming of age trouble I had at home.
He WAS a stranger, that acted like a friend. He hung
around the video arcade and lured his victims very
passively, then when something happened he made sure
you felt like it was your fault / you put yourself there.
It was all very sneaky psychological and devious.
A child molester will do all sorts of messed up things
to get what he wants, believe me. His name was Sam
and this happened at the Silver Ball Gardens in Berkeley, CA in 1983.

Re:I see it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19286337)

"most sexual abuse on children is by relatives and close family friends."
Thank you for your interesting anecdote. Yes there are freaks and weirdos out there. The people who rape adults are just as bad as the people who rape children. Your anecdote does not, however, detract from the GP's point (which is bolded above), most sexual abuse, not all.

Hey, that was ME! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19287031)

My name is Sam and I used to hang around the Silver Ball Gardens video arcade in Berkeley in 1983. I went there to fuck small boys. Gee, nice to meet you after all these years!

Re:Hey, that was ME! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19288529)

@Sam: That's fine, we have your IP address. We'll be contacting you shortly.

Re:I see it.... (1)

ssintercept (843305) | more than 7 years ago | (#19286557)

not just those who have thoughts that maybe abusive (or maybe about consensual sex for all we know).


i don't know where you come from but consensual sex with a child is wrong on any level. tell me how a 9yr old can have consenual sex. i will also provide you with the definition of consensual that i am working from-

Informed consent is a legal condition whereby a person can be said to have given consent based upon a full appreciation and understanding of the facts and implications of any actions, with the individual being in possession of all of his faculties (not mentally retarded or mentally ill), and his judgment not being impaired at the time of consenting (by sleepiness, intoxication by alcohol or drugs, other health problems, etc.).

emphasis is mine.

Please don't be fucking stupid.

Re:I see it (1)

jkro (1103265) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285367)

Remember Jeff from Coupling? The one obsessed with breasts? Well, Jeff was harmless.

This is pretty cool (1)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284529)

A few comments,
One, making sure that all the games developed are released under the GPL is a far cry from similar development contests by commercial companies that stipulate that all entries become the property of the sponsoring company, this should encourage people to enter.
Two, while the prize is (as far as I can tell) only for the "best" game developed, I'm sure a number of people will enter just for the fun of it, and because their work will still be available to them (see first thought) they won't be worried about it being appropriated for no compensation.

Three, while I can't really think of any "innovative" games using the specific aspects of the XO mentioned (Mesh Networking, Camera and Tablet Mode), I'm sure other folk are more imaginative then I am. (Perhaps something along the lines of hide and seek, using the laptops?)

Four, the idea of a development environment for the children to develop their own games is very important in my opinion. As has been seen with various commercial games, user content often makes or breaks a game, and is often far more fun then the content that came with the game.

Re:This is pretty cool (1)

ajanp (1083247) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284887)

I don't think the games they come up with really have to be all innovative. I think one of the major goals is to create a lot of educational games that could have a lot of beneficial uses in a collaborative learning environment. While it might not be the most original idea, there is a lot of potential for creating different types of trivia games where you can test your own knowledge by yourself or play it in the classroom to compete with your peers.

And given the popularity of virtual worlds nowadays, I'm sure you could create games to simulate basic virtual classrooms/libraries where you might be able to quickly access fully up-to-date reading materials (god knows how outdated books are in actual schools) to have competitions in class with computer-based software that might not be readily available in actual classrooms.

You might also create virtual economies to let kids interact with each other and learn about money and mathematics in a way that will (hopefully) be more entertaining than your average math book. At younger ages, I think kids might learn a great deal about mathematics and the value of money from an educational game when combined with what they are learning from their textbooks.

Either way, the ideas for the games themselves really don't need to be that revolutionary. I would think it would be useful to just take advantage of the mesh networking/tablet mode and port existing games/ideas to help reinforce what is being taught in the classroom and find ways to get kids interested in topics like math and english that many would find boring or too difficult.

Games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19284537)

Give them NetHack. That will show them a time sink. And that's a valuable lesson.

Considering where in the World these OLPCs... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19284545)

are going. How about a shooting game where the object is to NOT hit American, British, or UN soldiers. But it is OK to gun down the local dictator or warlord.

Emulator (0, Troll)

JohnHegarty (453016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284549)

I am sure its in the FA but this is slashdot.....

It these an emulator or sdk of something one could use to try and develop for hardware involved here ?

Re:Emulator (1)

fonik (776566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285349)

Aww crap. I accidentally modded this "troll" instead of "interesting." Goodbye sweet mod points!

Re:Emulator (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19294925)

> It these an emulator or sdk of something one could use to try and develop for hardware involved here ?

http://wiki.laptop.org/ [laptop.org]

Sell XOs and you might get developers (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284567)

The biggest problem right now is that you simply can't buy an XO laptop, its not even clear if you ever will be able to. That is kind of discouraging to me as a developer.

Re:Sell XOs and you might get developers (1)

patternjuggler (738978) | more than 7 years ago | (#19294757)

The biggest problem right now is that you simply can't buy an XO laptop, its not even clear if you ever will be able to. That is kind of discouraging to me as a developer.

The whole 'you're too privileged to be able to buy this' attitude of Negroponte turns me off to the whole project. Unless I and every other potential contributor can actually own one, there's no way to get really excited and motivated to help.

Re:Sell XOs and you might get developers (1)

trouser (149900) | more than 7 years ago | (#19298049)

Damn straight, because an altruistic act for the benefit of underprivileged children in developing nations is totally bullshit and poor kids can just fuck right off.

Seriously though, I thought the "buy two, get one" plan that was suggested in the early days of the OLPC project was great. Shame they canned that.

Re:Sell XOs and you might get developers (1)

patternjuggler (738978) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299775)

Damn straight, because an altruistic act for the benefit of underprivileged children in developing nations is totally bullshit and poor kids can just fuck right off.

But any number of organizations are trying to appeal to that sense of altruism, doing all sorts of different things in developing nations. Being able to own the laptop would be a huge differentiator to help me make up my mind if I were to choose which among those organizations I want to support. And what if the laptop is a piece of crap? Better to find out for myself than on 60 Minutes five years from now. Or maybe it is the coolest thing ever- then all of a sudden I'm really excited and now I'm giving more money than before and writing software and evangelizing the project (by showing people the laptop in operation, not just telling them about it).

Or hey (3, Insightful)

Kamineko (851857) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284599)

Here's a better idea: release some kind of unified API that will allow folks with regular hardware to build games for the OLPC.

Re:Or hey (4, Informative)

CajunArson (465943) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284737)

You can do that now with a virtual machine image (see the wiki [laptop.org] ). I have been able to boot it in qemu and even developed my own game for it using straight-up python & pygtk. However, my game can also run on any box that has python & pygtk, it is not taking advantage of any OLPC-specific software or hardware. One advantage of having everybody in a single physical location is that things like the built-in networking and cameras can be tested out.
    A little OT, but I think that the interface is generally pretty good, but at least so far in the beta builds the file-selection dialogs for opening up text & drawings are still the (absolutely atrocious) Gnome defaults that are made even worse because the limited screen real estate on OLPC means the fields are too small to even see properly. Making a simplified and OLPC-friendly file dialog would be a major improvement.

even if this were true.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19284623)

even if this article's points were true, it doesn't give you geeks in your parents' basements a tan....don't you have something better to spend your money on, like charity?

incoherent (1)

PhotoGuy (189467) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284635)

Isn't the purpose of a headline to give one a rough idea of that article without having to read it, to pique the interest. As Lisa Simpson would say, "I recognise those words, but that sentence makes no sense" (until you have read the article.)

That definite goes in the top 10 worst /. headlines.

Sneak King (-1, Troll)

Andrew Tanenbaum (896883) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284821)

Each player has a bag of burgers (OK, so this might not work for Negroponte's starving negros) and an OLPC. They each take a picture of themselves, and have to snap a picture of one of their burgers being forced into a competitor's mouth to get a point.

large nintendo DS? (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284845)

how about it? except for the lack of a secondary screen, its kinda like a large DS.

so any party game concepts that work on the DS should work on the XO i guess ;)

Sim City (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19284863)

Or some economic emulation clone along the same sort of lines. Y'know teach em from the start how an economy works and what it takes to be successful.

 

Re:Sim City (1)

beyondkaoru (1008447) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285139)

you mean like eve online? :)

Re:Sim City (1)

jkintree (870383) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285235)

In addition to an economy emulator, there might be an activity that incorporates real time data from the real world. What is happening with water supplies, crop land, fisheries, atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration and so on? The rules of the game could be along the lines of the World Game, as invented by Buckminster Fuller, "to make the world work for 100% of humanity in the shortest possible time through spontaneous cooperation without ecological offense or the disadvantage of anyone."

Re:Sim City (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 7 years ago | (#19292751)

Those rules need some clarification. Otherwise, creative tyrants will realize that getting 100% of ten people to do something is a lot easier than 100% of six billion people. Clearly, the fastest way to 100% "working" is to reduce the total number of people significantly, and quickly.

Re:Sim City (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285435)

Real-time multiplayer Scorch!

Hell yes baby!

Re:Sim City (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#19286293)

Too late. EA/Maxis is working on GPL'ing the Unix version of SimCity for the OLPC project, and the OLPC people are porting it to Python/Sugar. It will be included on the hardware.

Brilliant! (1)

FlyingSquidStudios (1031284) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285037)

That is exactly what children in impoverished parts of the world need- a game machine.

Re:Brilliant! (2, Insightful)

nirjhari (1039166) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285481)

Games and play are only for rich kids, I suppose... How dare they...

Re:Brilliant! (1)

FlyingSquidStudios (1031284) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285501)

It's supposed do be an educational device. Unless it's running reader rabbit...

Re:Brilliant! (1)

nirjhari (1039166) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285593)

One of the things I like about OLPC is that it's not aimed teaching kids Office productivity suite, which is what is being done in many of the developing countries at the moment. As I understand, it's designed in such a way that kids are encouraged to explore. In 60 Minutes interview, Negreponte mentions how kids are expected to do most of the repair themselves. IMHO, games would be a good way to get kids engaged beyond mechanical learning...

Re:Brilliant! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19291983)

You know all those games you played as a kid? They actually taught you stuff. If someone sat you down and lectured you on hand eye coordination you would be tripping over yourself. Games are played every day - they are an engaging way to learn. Even in class the simple game of raising ones hand first to answer the teachers question is played. Like anything there are games which have little educational worth. Games like Quake or Doom may well teach some semblance of team play and hand eye coordination but these are not the type of games OLPC is striving for since after a certain point they are pretty much pure entertainment. Games like Sim City, chess, and the incredible machine are great examples of games which bring together education and fun.

Also because of the OLPC's mesh networking capabilities and portability physical games are now possible. How about hide and go seek with the mesh where the seeker uses the mesh signal strength to find someone? Or an incredible machine version where the input of one machine is the output of another machine on a different laptop. The possibilities are endless for fun educational games.

--
J5

ORPC (0, Troll)

Mad Marlin (96929) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285093)

I have a much better idea. How about "One RAZR Phone per Child" (ORPC) instead? Sure, these kids don't have spreadsheet programs or clean water, but those are both trivial concerns compared to their inability to send digital images over text messages and to have the Pac-Man theme song play whenever they receive one of those digital images of their friends' in their hovels. And don't forget the ability to "skin" their phone with their favorite rapper.

The Incredible Machine! (5, Interesting)

schweini (607711) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285119)

The killer game for the OLPC would be an open-sourced "The Incredible Machine" clone, i think. Whatever happened to that franchise, anyhow?One of the greatest non-violent games ever created, IMHO.
Something along the SimCity games would be cool, too, i guess.
Maybe the owners of those franchises (Dynamix [?] and Maxis) could even help out a bit, for PR reasons?

Re:The Incredible Machine! (1)

rgravina (520410) | more than 7 years ago | (#19289985)

There is a post further up that mentions that EA/Maxis is GPLing the Unix version of SimCity and porting it to the Python/Sugar environment.

Soccer anyone? (1)

jkro (1103265) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285517)

A soccer ball is cheaper and the game is multiplayer and 'mobile'. What about the OLPC you ask. It can be used as one of the goal posts.

I was thinking frisbee... (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 7 years ago | (#19286369)

..but the aerodynamics of these laptops may be suboptimal, as well as the danger of imflicting impact wounds (beat's minefield hopscotch, though, I suppose).

Maybe dodgeball^h^h^h^hsquare?

MMORPGs (1)

my $anity 0 (917519) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285561)

Is it just me, or would the mesh networking and some of the built in software not be perfect for an MMORPG. The game topology can represent the actual locations of people, one can "Warp" into the internet play area by using an access point.

Millennium Campaign Games Wiki (1)

EricBoyd (532608) | more than 7 years ago | (#19285569)

http://wiki.millenniumcampaign.org/olpc/concepts [millenniumcampaign.org] Share your game concept for the XO machine - there are some fairly interesting ones up already.

done (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19286553)

Squeak? eToys? Hello? (1)

brasspen (899025) | more than 7 years ago | (#19286685)

"... OLPC hopes the contest will produce templates that allow kids to build their own games..." You know, this is basically a Python machine on a Linux OS called Sugar. It has eToys installed, which already does this. Kids can build games, animations, etc. But it uses Squeak Smalltalk, and by gosh, those people at the OLPC, even though they've installed it as a default application, don't seem to want to tell anybody that.

sh1t (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19287571)

pr4ctical puRposes,

Efficient Code - (1)

VariableGHz (1099185) | more than 7 years ago | (#19289835)

I'll probably get modded down for this -- but, I'm really against the OLPC project, the only good thing I can see coming out of it is efficient code as a result of its (relatively) "outdated" specs.

Which is a Good Thing(TM).

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