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Eh, CG... (0, Troll)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294597)

As if I wasn't already disinterested enough in the Star Wars prequels.

Re:Eh, CG... (4, Insightful)

Zonk (troll) (1026140) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294879)

I wouldn't have a problem with CG if there was a single example of CG that didn't have awful motion. The best CG I've seen was Gollum in LOTR, but that's because they had an actor do the motion. Still, the way thing were rendered like hair movement, water dripping, etc looked really fake and was very distracting.

Personally, I'd rather see South Park, Terrance & Phillip, Clerks, etc style animation instead of CG. Something similar to Batman Beyond would be pretty cool for this.

I like animation, hell, most of what I watch is animated (South Park, Family Guy, Simpsons, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, etc). CG just really annoys me.

Re:Eh, CG... (1)

OECD (639690) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295233)

Personally, I'd rather see South Park, Terrance & Phillip, Clerks, etc style animation instead of CG. Something similar to Batman Beyond would be pretty cool for this.

I know what you mean, it's the uncanny valley. [slate.com] They DO seem to be trying to avoid that, from what I can see here. Note especially Kenobi's(?) beard. Threre's not enough to tell if they're sucessful, unfortunately.

Imageworks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19294605)

Wait till you see Beowolf, the CG photo realistic humans will blow your mind.

Too little, too late... (5, Insightful)

bigtomrodney (993427) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294609)

I can't say I'm sold on this. I enjoyed the Clone Wars cartoon series but even as a die hard Star Wars fan I feel this is flogging a dead horse. Lucas should have his special effects taken away from him and be sent to his room until he remembers how to make a good film (or in this case series).

The saddest thing is that despite my protest I'm sure I'll watch it, secretly hoarde some action figures from the series and own every reissue of the new Clone Wars boxset for the next twenty years.

Re:Too little, too late... (1)

coaxial (28297) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295279)

Ahh, but Clone Wars didn't have Lucas involved on a day-to-day basis. He didn't write it (thank the maker! ;) ) or direct it. It took Genndy Tartakovsky to show that Star Wars could be cool again, and he did. Clone Wars was great. While I fully expect Lucas to fuck up Star Wars, I have enough faith that pretty much anyone can come up with something better than Lucas. He just fucked up the prequels, so much that the series isn't even internally consistent. (Yeah, there's some fanboy will argue that it is internally consistent, from a certain point of view, but that's crap. It requires you to reject everything the community believed for over 20 years, for that to be true.)

Not too impressed either (0, Troll)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294661)

The CGI isn't terribly impressive, if at all. Even if it were rendered in real time just for me, it still looks like UT 2004 with a Star Wars mod. Not that care, I skipped episodes 2 & 3 (but unfortunately not 1) and don't even remember when I watched the first 3 movies.

Re:Not too impressed either (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19295297)

Wow, what impressive insight you have. Thanks for sharing your utter lack of enthusiasm.
 

Re:Not too impressed either (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295929)

Watch episode three, and shut it off at the end immediately after Palpatine tells Anakin/Vader what happened to Amidala. Do NOT wait to hear Anakin's response before shutting it off.

Production quality? (0, Troll)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294685)

I hope that isn't even vaguely prod quality. Yes, I realize it is CG, but damn...even originally CG characters (Greivious, etc) looked bad.

Re:Production quality? (1)

Drooling_Sheep (683079) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294739)

Yoda looked especially bad. Why didn't they use the yoda model from the prequel movies?

Re:Production quality? (1)

catbutt (469582) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294823)

Um....its intentionally stylized. I'm sure partly because photorealism is really expensive, but partly because stylized worked well in the clone wars cartoon.

Just because it is 3d doesn't mean it has to be photorealistic.

Re:Production quality? (3, Funny)

GIL_Dude (850471) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295283)

I'd never seen or heard of a clone wars cartoon (I am NOT saying that there wasn't one; just me being ignorant and had not heard of it or seen it). My first reaction on seeing this trailer though was: why would I want to watch this? It's a herky-jerky motion cartoon.

Even Yoda's got to be saying, "A cartoon I am in. Soon, the end of the franchise it will be."

not impressed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19294693)

I can count the texels!

Luke, I am your programmer (5, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294701)

Noooo!

Star Trek linked to pedophilia? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19295317)

This has very little to do with the article, but the L.A. Times recently published an article regarding the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit [torontopolice.on.ca] that focused on their fight against child pornography ("Sifting Clues to an Unsmiling Girl" [pqarchiver.com] ). They are the law enforcement organization that photoshopped the victims out of child porn photos in order to get the public's assistance in identifying the backgrounds (it worked). In any case, the article had this amazing claim:

On one wall is a "Star Trek" poster with investigators' faces substituted for the Starship Enterprise crew. But even that alludes to a dark fact of their work: All but one of the offenders they have arrested in the last four years was a hard-core Trekkie.

Wow. All but one in four years. Seemed rather unlikely to me.

So, I called the Child Exploitation Section of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit and spoke to Det. Ian Lamond, who was familiar with the Times article. He claims they were misquoted, or if that figure was given it was done so jokingly. Of course, even if the figure was given jokingly, shouldn't the Times reporter have clarified something that seems rather odd? Shouldn't her editors have questioned her sources?

Nevertheless, Det. Lamond does confirm that a majority of those arrested show "at least a passing interest in Star Trek, if not a strong interest." They've arrested well over one hundred people over the past four years and they can gauge this interest in Star Trek by the arrestees' "paraphenalia, books, videotapes and DVDs."

Det. Constable Warren Bulmer slips on a Klingon sash and shield they confiscated in a recent raid. "It has something to do with a fantasy world where mutants and monsters have power and where the usual rules don't apply," Bulmer reflects. "But beyond that, I can't really explain it."

I asked Det. Lamond if this wasn't simply a general interest in science fiction and fantasy, such as Star Wars or Harry Potter or similar. Paraphrasing his answer, he said, while there was sometimes other science fiction and fantasy paraphenalia, Star Trek was the most consistent and when he referred to a majority of the arrestees being Star Trek fans, it was Star Trek-specific.

Didn't he do Samurai Jack? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19294709)

I'd love to see a Samurai Jack movie . . .

Re:Didn't he do Samurai Jack? (1)

Icarus1919 (802533) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295155)

Wasn't the original episode that started out the series about an hour to an hour and a half long, movie quality?

Re:Didn't he do Samurai Jack? (1)

21st Century Peon (812997) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295241)

Yes, he did - as well as Dexter's Laboratory, and Powerpuff Girls. But Samurai Jack remains the only cartoon series I ever saw that I could call beautiful. He is, IMO, the Great Western Animator of this generation. Someone please put him and Brad Bird on a project together, and do it now.

You'll also be pleased to hear that according to Wikipedia, "He has also expressed his desire to bring an animated Samurai Jack film to the big screen."

or does it? (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294715)

Wikipedia offers a bevy of details on the series.

Or it used to...

just kidding. love you wiki :)

Re:or does it? (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294753)

In addition to my flip remark, I would like to ask - what does everyone think of articles linking to wikipedia as a source? There's no expectation of being static so the page may be radically different after it's posted to slashdot or when someone views this slashdot page in 10 years.

Re:or does it? (1)

catbutt (469582) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294861)

I'd say the chance of the article being intact is far greater than the chance of any non-wikipedia page being operationsl after being linked on slashdot.

Most likely, if a high activity page gets vandalized or made "radically different", it will be corrected in about 30 seconds. I suspect your concern is more of a theoretical one than a real world one.

Re:or does it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19294905)

Well, it is always possible to link to some specific revision of the page, so that the link will always point to the exact same text. Linking to wikipedia in general is not necessarily always the best choise, but then again, finding the relevant information is usually much harder even on the official website of the subject.

Mod parent upz0rz (1)

arodland (127775) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295639)

Was gonna say it, but it was already said. Failing a complete collapse of wikipedia or a complete abandonment of their goals (or OFFICE gone rampant), you can always find (and link to) a specific revision. :)

Why is Lucas wasting our time? (3, Funny)

Supurcell (834022) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294735)

Why is George Lucas bothering to remake the Clone Wars shorts when he knows that everyone really wants prequels to the Ewok Adventure series? I want to see what Wilfred Brimley's character, from Ewoks: Battle for Endor, was like when he was a kid.

Re:Why is Lucas wasting our time? (2, Funny)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 6 years ago | (#19296339)

I want to see what Wilfred Brimley's character, from Ewoks: Battle for Endor, was like when he was a kid.

He looked pretty much the same just his diapers and mustache were smaller.

Genndy Tartakovsky is a genius ... (5, Insightful)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294745)

Dexter's laboratory, Samurai Jack and Powerpuff Girls are enough to establish his genius [dotgnu.info] . But he managed to turn around my opinion [dotgnu.info] about Star Wars (as someone born in the eighties and having got a TV in the nineties) - while reinforcing my low opinion of George Lucas's later work. Samurai Jack is really another example of a long epic saga, minimalistically drawn, yet full of life, twists and curve balls.

Hopefully, they borrow the good parts from his work and not go all CG centric over the story telling part.

Re:Genndy Tartakovsky is a genius ... (1)

grimsweep (578372) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294971)

Aye. Frankly, when I first heard of the new series, I was quite hopeful that we'd see a reprisal of Mr. Tartakovsky's gifts once again. I think the BIGGEST example of the man's work was when I went to see episode 3 and said to myself, "Wow, what happened to the bad-a$$ characters I fell in love with?!?"

Let's be honest with ourselves; the new series will be a much more 'genuine' extension of the prequels: corporate machinery capitalizing on a loyal fan base.

Re:Genndy Tartakovsky is a genius ... (1)

vhogemann (797994) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295149)

We can only hope that he is involved in this CG version too...

Certainly Tartakovisky work had an huge influence on this new series, is just a matter of looking at the overall look and style of the characters. Some people complained that the CG didn't look impressive... well, it doesn't have to be!

Compare for example the Final Fantasy movie with the Incredibles... in which one the characters seems to be more alive, more real? Better, compare the Clone Wars animated series with the 3 latest films... Tartakovisky just knows how to bring life to his creations, he is almost the exact opposite of Lucas as a director.

Re:Genndy Tartakovsky is a genius ... (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 6 years ago | (#19296095)

For those who might have been absent to animation during the 90's, there were two huge creative forces. One was Genndy Tartakovsky, the other was Garbor Csupo. Together they created the revival in children's animation, and has probably been a part of every major children's animated show. The creative drive has been incredible.

Clone Wars is certainly just another in a line of creatively disastrous attempt to monetize the dry Star Wars franchise. In spite of this, if Lucas steps away and gives Tartakovsky full rien we might end up with something that is not Star Wars, but nevertheless interesting, at least to a certain age group.

What is this? (1)

patternjuggler (738978) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294779)

Is this just a retread of those cartoons, or is it a different plotline?

Some of it looks okay- but there's one spectacularly lame scene where the trooper yells 'get ready!' dramatically, and then the door slowly opens to reveal: 5 of those dorkbots from phantom menace going 'pew-pew'.

Re:What is this? (1)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295653)

Looks like a different plotline after the cartoons to me.

And I thought it looked cool, CG isn't everyone's thing of course but I happen to like it and that looked good. The character models were a little cartoony but the ships and stuff looked awesome.

Well obviously... (2, Interesting)

aarku (151823) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294789)

It's not supposed to be photorealistic CG. Whether or not they successfully stylized it is the question. It's just like how Pixar decided to make more cartoony CG and was wildly successful with it, while things like the Final Fantasy movie tried photorealism and failed. I can't make up my mind based on a low bitrate low resolution trailer.

See a pattern here? (0)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294793)

Seems like LucasArts has gotten bored with re-re-redoing their movies, so now they're focusing on the already-established Clone Wars series.
Now we can expect to see all their Star Wars videogames to get rereleases.

*Braces for down-mods*

Re:See a pattern here? (2, Insightful)

jmac1492 (1036880) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294981)

Actually, some of the older video games getting redone (X-Wing? TIE Fighter? Dark Forces?) wouldn't be a bad idea.

Look at the bright side... (2)

verySmartApe (1053716) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294865)

Ironically, this will probably turn out to be better than the prequels. I mean, we don't expect convincing performances from a bunch of CG characters.

The lower our expectations are, the happier we'll be.

Re:Look at the bright side... (1)

dircha (893383) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295643)

"I mean, we don't expect convincing performances from a bunch of CG characters."

No actor could have salvaged the Hayden Christensen character. The character was poorly conceived and the dialogue was atrocious - really, really bad.

But when it comes to CG characters, all we have is the dialogue and the story, unless you just want to go the stylized eye candy route.

Re:Look at the bright side... (1)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 6 years ago | (#19296167)

better than the prequels. I mean, we don't expect convincing performances from a bunch of CG characters.

Really, the actors weren't the problem. It was the script. The actors had to dull their minds to utter it. A troupe of Oscar-winners couldn't have saved them.

Eating Disorders (1, Funny)

thesupermikey (220055) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294891)

Its to bad Leia looks like she has Anorexia.

CG WTF? (5, Interesting)

Thumper_SVX (239525) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294913)

Why is everyone making a big deal that the CG looks crap? BFD! It's about the stories, not the CG. I couldn't care less if it's done with bits of paper on a glass sheet background so long as the stories are written and voiced reasonably well.

No, the CG doesn't look real... you really want it to? I'd prefer something with a little style, a little "not real". Have you watched Polar Express? The characters looked real, and moved realistically alright... but they also looked like propped up corpses because despite all the work of the artists they STILL couldn't quite get it real enough.

There's only so far you can go along the path of making CG realistic. At a certain point you have to start thinking about the look and the flow of the thing instead of whether or not you're rendering 1000 different pores on a human nose. I personally liked the trailer, I think it looked pretty good. The CG doesn't look realistic, and I for one am glad of it. It gives the CG animated series a certain flair.

Did anyone here watch TMNT at the theatres recently? I did with my 6-year-old son and loved it. The story was strong, the characters were well rendered... but realistic it wasn't. It was stylized, but in a way that to me and my son made the characters MORE believable. It's hard to accept an unreal world when there are real people up on the screen. Similarly, it's hard to accept the real world with unreal characters... we use what's called willing suspension of disbelief in order to take some aspects on faith.

Now, whether or not they can actually get some good stories in this is open to be seen. I won't make any quick judgments; sure Lucas has created some tripe like Episode 1... but mostly because it was more about him experimenting with what he could do with CG than writing a good story. Episodes 2 and 3 both improved on this formula but still didn't quite match Empire Strikes Back (though I still think Episode 3 was better (or at least equal) in almost every respect than Return of the Jedi). Since this is going to be all CG, there are no limits and nothing to prove. The only thing he CAN prove with a CG Star Wars is that he can still write. If he can't, the show will fail since there are million and one "also-rans" in this race.

I'll wait and see. The trailer gives is little to go on as far as whether or not the writing is better here than in the prequels. Lucas has written good stuff in his life; look at THX-1138. If he can do it again, this'll be good. If not, then maybe it'll get an audience with the current pre-teen crowd who enjoyed the prequels. However, without strong stories you'll lose them and there'll be no "rewatching" ability.

Re:CG WTF? (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#19294945)

I agree with you. Besides, people always complain that producers spend too much of their budget on special effects, and not enough on plot, story, etc. Well, thats exactly what would happen if this was made "Final Fantasy" quality. Now by taking a bit of a hit on the visuals, they can spend some ressources elsewhere. Plus, it really looks just fine to me.

Re:CG WTF? (5, Funny)

bmo (77928) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295147)

"Lucas has written good stuff in his life; look at THX-1138."

Yes, but that was before the Star Wars _franchise_. It's no longer about the story. It's about the money, and how many people will grit their teeth while paying for movie tickets because all of us 40 year olds want our childhood back. But that's because we're all suckers and figure "well he can't rape our childhoods THAT much, can he?"

Yes. Yes he can. Meesa givesa upsa after Episode Onesa...

As to how far he can sink, do you remember the Christmas Special? Did you gouge your eyes out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asnVcbWQ2cg [youtube.com]

Bea...Arthur... BEA FREAKIN ARTHUR!

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
BMO

Re:CG WTF? (5, Funny)

dswensen (252552) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295697)

Good lord, your post is like an explosion at the Lucas-bashing cliche factory.

Re:CG WTF? (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#19296453)

He missed the whole "Han shot first" thing. Of course that was from like 1998, so maybe that one's obsolete now... I dunno.

Re:CG WTF? (2, Interesting)

Icarus1919 (802533) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295193)

I believe you are experiencing the Uncanny Valley Effect [wikipedia.org] when you speak of your preference for less realistic and more stylized story telling. Most people agree with you. CG characters that are almost but not quite real enough are weird and slightly creepy.

Re:CG WTF? (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295361)

Why is everyone making a big deal that the CG looks crap? BFD! It's about the stories, not the CG.

Well ... maybe because prettiness of the computer graphics is the only thing left in George Lucas's work now, that doesn't suck?

If it's "about the stories" now, everything Lucas made after Return of the Jedi, is crap.

Design sense (1)

AllenChristopher (679129) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295665)

What people are grasping for here is that these are CGI models moving in 3-D, but they were based on Genndy Tartakovsky's stylized TWO dimensional designs.

For two-dimensional design, all those angles and swoopy bits add drama and impact. They're shape and composition aids.

In 3-D, the characters just look like retarded monkeybots. It's perfectly possible to do stylized 3-D well (The Incredibles) but you have to focus on the nature of the medium. You need round characters that still look like themselves when rotated and minimal textures that enhance the idea of materials rather than looking like a coat of matte spraypaint on a tuna can.

This kind of bad design is distracting in a way that CG held back by technical limitations is not. When we were all playing games like the Ocarina of time or FF7, it was easy to accept people with claw-hands and triangle shoulders because everything looked that way. It was the nature of the medium.

Here Lucasfilms could clearly have designed any character models they liked, but because their deisgn team has been trained to be "spam in front of a can", they just blindly copied Genndy's designs and moved on to coordinating space battles, as usual.

Re:CG WTF? (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295899)

Plus it looks like it has a lot more General Grievous. He's the best villain to come out of the three prequels by FAR, and doesn't get nearly enough screen time.

The treasure of The Star Wars Legacy (1)

fluor2 (242824) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295023)

Can somebody please withdraw the treasure of the Star Wars from George Luca$ before he destroy it completely? His gift was given to the world in 1977. He GAVE it to us. Now he keep giving gifts. One gift was enough.

Re:The treasure of The Star Wars Legacy (1)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295495)

Just take away all the dialogue from Lucas. From Jar-Jar Binks needing to light up some big ganja to complete his ethnic caricature, to the "Fu Manchu Menace" of the Trade Federation accents, to taking the amazingly hot and intelligent and skillful character of Padma and turning her into 15 year-old's dream of how princesses would worship their manly manhood while losing every characteristic that made them hot, Lucas's dialogue in the prequels was an absolute failure.

Replacing all the dialogue with old "Bonanza" episodes would be a noticeable improvement.

Re:The treasure of The Star Wars Legacy (1)

PixelScuba (686633) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295505)

George Luca$

That's where you went, you crafty little Dollar sign! Hop back into 'MS' where you belong!

Another Director & CG? (2, Informative)

RomeReactor (1091245) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295053)

This new series (which looks like a continuation of the previous Clone Wars) will be directed by Dave Filoni http://imdb.com/name/nm1396048/ [imdb.com] (Avatar, Dave the Barbarian), and in my opinion is a step down from Tartakowsky. We'll just have to see if the writing staff does as good a job with this as before. Also: Please, George, no more 5 minute episodes! Those were a torture...

Probably a cost issue (1)

renoX (11677) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295103)

>I'm still not sold on the CG,

This kind of CG doesn't look expensive..

At least the animation seems ok: IMHO, it's more important to have a good animation that to have a nice CG.

Am I the only one who thinks this looks great? (5, Insightful)

BTWR (540147) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295119)

I'm really looking forward to this. I loved the original Clone Wars and I'm looking forward to this release as well. At least it's a significant change, as opposed to those re-releases in the 1990s of the original trilogy (original, thx, ones with previews of episode 1, etc). You know, you can love something AND like it's remake as well. Remakes can be awesome too (sometimes even superior). Some examples of great remakes:

Music:
Hard to Handle (Otis Redding/Black Crowes)
Come Together (Beatles/Aerosmith)
Hurt (Nine Inch Nails/Johnny Cash)
Twist And Shout (Top Notes/Beatles)
Time is on my Side (Irma Thomas/Rolling Stones)
The Man Who Sold the World (David Bowie/Nirvana)
Mr. Tambourine Man (Bob Dylan/William Shatner) - just kidding :)

Movies:
Cape Fear
Dawn of the Dead

Oceans 11
The Thing (I'll argue it is a remake)
Scarface

So everyone just relax and reserve judgment until you actually see it. I know how hard that is, especially on the Internets, to not review a movie 8 months before it comes out based on 5 screenshots or something, but let's at least, um... try? If you didn't like the original, then you probably won't like this one. But if you did like Genndy's version and you're already reserving judgment, then right now you're just being close-minded (even if you do wind up disliking it later). Liking both isn't a mortal sin.

The Clones War was pretty bad (2, Funny)

ColeonyxOnline (966334) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295157)

I rented the Clone War animated series, it was incredible bad. All of the episodes were about the Jedi knights taking on entire armies with no other story lines to them.

The units sent with the knights would usually all die, except them, than they would just wipe every enemy on sight. But depending on the episode they would stop for a quick drink.

To me, those series did not match with the movies at all, if the knights were so freaking amazing, how in the heck were they wiped out, except for 2 of them? Or why send an entire army, when you could just send 1 knight?

I wonder if they will fix those issues.

well... (2, Interesting)

SuperDre (982372) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295165)

at least you can give lucas credit for continuing his streak of creating junk.... the original trilogy is still unsurpassed (I guess it has something to do with him not directing ESB and ROTJ and not having the 'creative' tools like he has now)..

Clone Wars: Special Edition (4, Funny)

EEBaum (520514) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295269)

Assuming that wikipedia is correct and this is a continuation of the story from the original clone wars short, it is inevitable that these will be followed by a revisiting of the original Clone Wars cartoons.

Among the wonders to look forward to:
  • The original Clone Wars cartoons will be redone in CG, as Lucas had originally wanted.
  • Special appearance by Jabba the Hutt, where we discover that he and Obi Wan have done business for some time.
  • Someone will shoot Anakin first, causing him to go aggro and eventually turn to the dark side entirely out of self-defense.
  • All explosions will be accompanied by planar shockwaves.
  • Death scenes of random insignificant characters will be shortened or removed entirely.
  • The final episode will feature a galaxy-wide welcome-to-the-rainforest happy-fest victory party.
  • Qui-Gon's disembodied head will accompany Obi Wan at all times, acting as his personal Jiminy Cricket.
  • DVD Bonus Feature Deleted Scenes of Chewbacca's extended family.
Can't wait!!

I don't get it (5, Interesting)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295337)

Why wouldn't the series act as a bridge between III and IV instead of padding between II and III?

Is Darth Vader boring?

Re:I don't get it (4, Insightful)

aztektum (170569) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295739)

cuz that would only leave 3 guys with lightsabers and the only thing selling this series anymore is Jedi

Re:I don't get it (3, Interesting)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#19296169)

According to the timelines I've seen, they had to spend years tracking down and killing all the jedi. Some seriously kick-ass battles are possible with Darth Vader hunting down random jedi.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Supurcell (834022) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295741)

Boring enough that we had three movies based on his childhood.

The coolest thing in Star Wars is the light saber. When did the most light saber action take place? During the clone war when the Jedi lead squads of clones into battle. For an animated action show, this is the best time to set it in.

Re:I don't get it (3, Interesting)

gaderael (1081429) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295771)

I think it has to do with the fact that they're in the process of making a video game that is going to bridge III and IV for the next gen consoles. They even say on the website that both LucasArts and Industrial Light and Magic have been working on this game. The Official site is here: http://www.lucasarts.com/games/theforceunleashed/ [lucasarts.com]

mod 30wn (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19295341)

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Random thought... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19295457)

The vaguely engineer-looking character at about the 54-sec mark made me think that a down-to-earth Scotty-like character would make a nice counterpoint to all the mystical Jedi characters running around.

Yeah, I know, not gonna happen.

This and the prequels (1)

kpdvx (546561) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295475)

So, visually, the difference between this and the theatrical Wars prequels is that this is rendered in a lower resolution? Because, aside from the actors, most of the prequels were CGI anyway, so there's not much difference. Our only hope, as it were, is that this is better written.

who gives a fuck? fags, that's who. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19295577)

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Why use CG actors? (2, Insightful)

dircha (893383) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295587)

Why use CG actors when you can use cheap, often unknown human actors? Star Wars has never been about the acting; it's about the story and the style.

Mark Hamill was an unknown, very mediocre actor who only managed to pull off the part in spite of the horrible dialogue because his naivete played in his favor.

Hayden Christensen, also an unkown, in this case with horrible acting skills, couldn't salvage the atrocious dialogue because he was the villain and came off as a bratty prick, not as someone the audience identified with.

Further, having CG actors doesn't allow you to do anything you couldn't with human actors. Audiences fell in love with the original trilogy because they could identify with the heroes. Star Wars doesn't need flying green yodas and mortal combat robots. In the original trilogy the supernatural Force powers were natural-seeming extensions of ordinary people who rose to the occassion to accomplish extraordinary things because of their humanity, not in spite of it, and not by gimmicks or arcade fighting moves.

But then any ability to relate to the characters was pretty much ruined by Mr. Lucas explaining away everything in terms of bio-technological elitism.

The duel between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader in the original trilogy was 10x more compelling and emotional than anything in the new trilogy, eventhough it was slow paced and had no video game acrobatics.

You know, at this point: screw it. There's nothing redeeming left about the Star Wars universe. Have at it Mr. Lucas. I hope you make millions turning the franchise into a DragonBall Z ripoff. Jedis' hair volume and color should correlate to their Jedi rank and powers. That's really all that's left to do.

OVER 9000 (Re:Why use CG actors?) (1)

EEBaum (520514) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295767)

Wow, man, you're onto something!

Qui-Gon: "Obi Wan, run an analysis of this sample."
Obi Wan: "Anakin's Midichlorian count... It's OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAND!!!!!!!!! "

Entrapment (1)

korbin_dallas (783372) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295735)

The problem is how do you get out of the trap that Lucas setup. Plot hole trap that is.

In the first movies, with only 1 jedi at the time, we get all the stories about how great and powerful they were, but he didn't really have to deliver. Then in the GT cartoons, we see Mace Windu kill thousands of droids at one time. Then they toss in Grievous. So now we are supposed to see the bad-ass jedi being bad-ass....THEN Grievous is supposed to be slightly better, good enough to be able to kill several jedi. And in some of the written material I gathered he wasn't all to cracked up(pun) to be serving the Chancellor after they tried to kill him.

So how do you keep the story continuum with all the plot holes in place?

I'll probably watch a few if Grievous starts to kick jedi ass all over the place. hehehehe.

The robot chicken spoofs are hilarious...

Re:Entrapment (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295913)

Grievouswasn't better then all the jedi,just better then a lot of them...it' turns out that different Jedi have different levels of skill...I know, fucking shocking.

He's still following his dream. (1)

Charcharodon (611187) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295761)

Another step in the direction Lucas really want which is to get rid of all the actors. It would be pretty cool in the not so far future that a director could make a movie and then release a developer pack of all the CG objects, scenes, textures, and sound files to the fans and let them make their own movies with them. I think Unreal or Valve is going to beat him to the punch on that though.

Of course if Lucus did this the first 500 or so that would show up on youTube would be "Die Jar Jar Die" or "How Lucas stole my childhood dreams".

I can only hope that someone with talent and a good story will go through and gut episodes I-III of the whole "Saturday Crap Adverture Serials that I remember as a kid mentality that are completely different from the first three I made so I can cash in even more on the merchandise" Lucas had in mind when he did the Prequels.

Re:He's still following his dream. (1)

Petrushka (815171) | more than 6 years ago | (#19296105)

I have looked hard for a Jar Jar model for UT2k4 or similar - to hunt down and kill, obviously. With every weapon available, one after the other. Alas, I have not found one, nor do I possess the skills to make one ...

Looks not bad. (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 6 years ago | (#19295979)

It looks not bad. For a TV show.

To me the real question, would be any meat in the show? or just another jedi/force show off?

I personally have seen enough of it. New story set in Star Wars world would be definitely more interesting then reiteration of all the stuff we all read/seen/watched before many times.

So it's just a question: would Lucas manage to find a good writers for the show? If story line would be good, I frankly can tolerate crappy graphics. But if it would be great graphics and thousand times repeated again "let the force be with you, luke" ... heck, I had enough of it already. The story is over, I want something new.

Dear Lucas (1)

franksands (938435) | more than 6 years ago | (#19296055)

For the love fo Pete, stop making Star Wars movies. STOP. Star Wars is over. You killed most of it in the "prequels" with that wooden acting "anakin", and the "clone wars" that happened in 5 minutes. Move on, take a walk in your lovely ranch, and think of something NEW. As in, not envolving Jedis, lightsabers or siths. Really. Just STOP.

Thank you,
Loyal fan until "episode I" was released.

They should do this to Flight of Dragons. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19296109)

Way off topic, I know. But if they could do the same thing (take and remaster the audio portion, re-do the whole visual aspect in full 3D CGI) to one of my favorite fantasy movies of all time, Flight of Dragons, it would be great!

Just to relate a little to the topic, the voice of Omadan, the villain of Flight of Dragons, was James Earl Jones.

lucas has you like a cheap ho! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19296383)

he beats you down, takes your cash and you still call him a pimp and give him blowjobs? what a bunch of faggots.
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