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A Million Zunes Sold

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the zero-sold-to-anyone-i-know dept.

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According to Robbie Bach, Microsoft's president of the Entertainment and Devices Division, Zune has already met the goal of 1.000.000 players sold, set at launch for the end of June. He also confirms that new Zune things will come in this fall, talks (not) about the Zune Phone, the new Watermelon Red Zune, the Zune Marketplace and of course Xbox 360.

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A breakthrough indeed (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299141)

Exactly one player sold? Sounds about right to me . . .

They're catching up, then... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299143)

...and don't forget - there's four less iPods in circulation since they put out that 'Bite Me' display unit.

Re:They're catching up, then... (4, Interesting)

neoform (551705) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299287)

Catching up? Maybe..

Catching on? No.

They *still* haven't bought the domain zune.com, talk about stupid.

but ... (5, Insightful)

eneville (745111) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299145)

who bought these? i don't know anyone in the uk who has a zune.. for that matter i don't know anyone who has even SEEN a zune. did ms employees buy these at a knock-down rate?

Same with the ipods back when they hit 1 mil. (2)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299171)

I could've said the same thing for the iPod back when they hit their first million. It's still less than 1% of the total US population, let alone the world.

I actually see many Zunes in use in the D.C. area (most of them are used for watching missed episodes of Lost, 24, and Heroes)

Re:Same with the ipods back when they hit 1 mil. (1)

Tickletaint (1088359) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299315)

Looking at the sales numbers now, it looks like it took the iPod two years to hit its first million. But I remember seeing a ton of iPods around even in the months immediately following its launch. Are you a PC user? Maybe it was more visible among certain subcultures at first because it was limited to Mac users back then, but still.

Re:Same with the ipods back when they hit 1 mil. (4, Insightful)

FonzCam (841867) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299383)

It's not that iPods were more visible among certain subcultures, it's because the iPod is more visible because of those bright white headphones. People advertise the fact that they are using an iPod. If you saw someone walking down the street listening to a Zune you'd probably think it was an iPod with 3rd party headphones.

Re:Same with the ipods back when they hit 1 mil. (2, Interesting)

Tickletaint (1088359) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299563)

That's a good point, but you're kidding yourself if you think the iPod's Mac-exclusivity didn't affect the patterns of its uptake in its first year on the market. I remember a lot of musicians in that time frame mentioning this cool new toy from Apple, and I don't think I know a single musician who uses a PC (though I'm sure the peanut gallery here at Slashdot will be more than happy to supply a few).

Re:Same with the ipods back when they hit 1 mil. (3, Insightful)

FatherOfONe (515801) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299665)

I strongly disagree. I don't ever notice what headphones people have but I look at what MP3 player they are listening to and I can say that I have never seen ANYONE using a Zune. I work in I.T. and am surrounded by a few Microsoft lemmings and yet none of them have even jumped on the bandwagon yet. Some of them won't buy an Ipod out of their hatred of Apple, but yet won't buy a Zune.... That says a lot.

I am willing to bet that Microsoft has around 50 to 60,000 employees and contractors and that a majority of these went to friends and families at a huge discount or free.

I challenge the 1 million sold and say that it is 1 million sold to distributors. I say that Microsoft is channel stuffing much like it did with the 360 and that the sales are probably far closer to 500k than 1 million. At 500k there will be "some" people here on slashdot that know someone who has one, but the vast majority of people won't have seen one in the wild.

Please note that I am NOT saying the Zune is a bad product, I am just saying that it isn't really at 1 million units in the wild.

Re:Same with the ipods back when they hit 1 mil. (1)

bedonnant (958404) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299401)

maybe the market then was also less developped as it is now.

Re:but ... (5, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299173)

You realize that a million isn't much right in the grand scheme of populations right?

In the UK, if a million were sold there you'd have a 1/54 chance [or so] of knowing someone who owned a Zune. In Canada, it'd be about 1/32 or so. And given that I don't regularly hang out with 32 peeps [assuming all were sold in Canada though...] it's not surprising me that I haven't seen one.

Tom

Re:but ... (1)

eneville (745111) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299183)

You realize that a million isn't much right in the grand scheme of populations right?

In the UK, if a million were sold there you'd have a 1/54 chance [or so] of knowing someone who owned a Zune. In Canada, it'd be about 1/32 or so. And given that I don't regularly hang out with 32 peeps [assuming all were sold in Canada though...] it's not surprising me that I haven't seen one.

Tom
but i work in a place where everyone has the latest gadget, nearly everyone has an ipod and a fancy phone. well, i dont see the need for the zune, unless it's going to be incredibly cheaper than the ipod here.

Re:but ... (4, Funny)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299203)

Yeah... The Zune is something you only show to your very closest friends, amongst nervous laughter, as you explain to them the embarrassing chain of events that led you to buying it.

So, if you have less than a hundred very close friends, you're not likely to have seen one.

Re:but ... (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299215)

Well I dunno about you but when I walk around with my ipod I usually keep it in my pocket.

Tom

Re:but ... (0, Offtopic)

unapersson (38207) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299419)

While coincidentally wearing those nice white stylish earphones that signal to everyone that you're listening to an ipod ;-) I might have got one but have about 9Gb of music in Ogg Vorbis format and they don't support it. So about as much use as a brick to me. Fortunately though, plenty of other players do.

Re:but ... (1, Troll)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299437)

I might have got one but have about 9Gb of music in Ogg Vorbis format and they don't support it.
Well that was pretty stupid of you. If you would've ripped the music in MP3 format you could listen to it on nearly anything. The only people that use Ogg Vorbis are open source fanatics.

Re:but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299487)

I agree. I don't see a significant compression advantage to Ogg. I think it is the underground OSS way of saying "I am hip."

Re:but ... (2, Insightful)

unapersson (38207) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299535)

"Well that was pretty stupid of you. If you would've ripped the music in MP3 format you could listen to it on nearly anything. The only people that use Ogg Vorbis are open source fanatics."

That's a pretty stupid thing to say. It sounds better than MP3 and its legal to play on my operating system of choice, it also works fine on my audio player of choice. All it shows is a limitation of the ipod. All that matters to me is that my collection of music is in the best format for me, I couldn't really give a toss that your favourite format is MP3. For me Ogg Vorbis was the sensible choice. Whatever happened to the concept of personal choice?

Re:but ... (2, Insightful)

gsn (989808) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299643)

Well that was pretty stupid of you. If you would've ripped the music in MP3 format you could listen to it on nearly anything. The only people that use Ogg Vorbis are open source fanatics.


1) most iRiver and iAudio players support OGG out of the box, IIRC Archos too.
2) yes open source fanatics use ogg vorbis. It is the principle of the thing. Many of the same open source fanatics can use rockbox as well and can play oggs on their iPods.
3) whats stupid IMHO is the number of people who pay quite a bit for their iPods, and never use iTunes, which is the big iPod advantage. For the same dollar there are several DAPs out there with better (and more usable) features, arguably better interfaces that are way better value for money. Its basically because no one can match apple's ad budget.

Re:but ... (2, Interesting)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299495)

If you don't have, like really, really expensive headphones, why not just buy the player you like best and transcode to mp3? Supporting Vorbis is nice, but I don't think things will be at a point where it matters for quite some while, and by then, the mp3 patents will have expired. The quality per bit advantage isn't something 98% of people are even going to understand.

Re:but ... (1)

x_MeRLiN_x (935994) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299235)

Your calculation assumes I only "know" one person.

Re:but ... (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299269)

Fair enough, but unless you hang out with 60 or so peeps you're not guaranteed to have seen one.

In fact it's even lower if you know couples. In most cases, a couple who is against buying one acts really like an individual. Even if one of them might be tilted towards buying one, they won't.

Tom

Re:but ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299297)

Well, you are posting on Slashdot after all...

Re:but ... (1)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299369)

In other news, SCO anounces that they are entering the portable music market. They have a million units of their new player, labeled the "eZune", in stock, ready to ship.

Best Buy, Comp USA, Wal-Mart? (5, Insightful)

Bayoudegradeable (1003768) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299217)

1,000,000 sold to vendors perhaps? Sold to customers might be different but if there are 1 mil Zunes on shelves or in stock out there M$ can claim "million sold."

Re:but ... (5, Informative)

$pearhead (1021201) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299259)

i don't know anyone in the uk who has a zune..
That might have something to do with the fact that it has not been released in Europe yet. [zuneinfo.com]

Re:but ... (1)

Da Fokka (94074) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299273)

who bought these? i don't know anyone in the uk who has a zune.. for that matter i don't know anyone who has even SEEN a zune. did ms employees buy these at a knock-down rate?


Nope, they are bundled with every new PC. It worked for Vista.

Re:but ... (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299319)

1 million sounds like a lot, but it really isnt.

Espcially over here in the US.

Re:but ... (0, Troll)

catwh0re (540371) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299331)

nah it's not that they sold a million units. they just sold 1.000000 It's just a significant figures thing.

Re:but ... (1)

mattpointblank (936343) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299395)

Yeah, me neither. When I mention them in conversation (usually to illustrate how bad the wireless/DRM thing is) I have to follow it with "it's Microsoft's iPod".

Re:but ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299507)

Probably all grandmothers who bought them for their grandchildren, who received them as gifts and had to pretend to be happy about it. While they really wanted to yell at grandma for buying them a stupid zune instead of an ipod!

Re:but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299541)

The only time I've ever seen a Zune is in the hands of a Microsoft employee...

Finally! What I've been waiting for! (4, Funny)

Z0mb1eman (629653) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299147)

I've only been holding off on buying a Zune because of the colour.

Now, at long last, a Watermelon Zune! It's as hip as a watermelon, and twice as easy to use!

Re:Finally! What I've been waiting for! (4, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299169)

I'm waiting for the Grapefruit Zune, because then I'll know that the squirting feature works like it should...

Re:Finally! What I've been waiting for! (1)

frup (998325) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299213)

Will that make my porn more realistic? I've seen the photo's and they look so intriguing.

Re:Finally! What I've been waiting for! (1)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299233)

"I've only been holding off on buying a Zune because of the colour."

You laugh, but a lot of /.ers have been insulting the Zune based on the available brown colour, almost as much as the DRM encumbrance.

Re:Finally! What I've been waiting for! (4, Insightful)

Tickletaint (1088359) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299261)

Only because the color is emblematic of everything else wrong with the Zune. Skin it all you want, but the Zune is still hobbled by Microsoft's staggering failure to "get it."

That's awesome! (1, Redundant)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299149)

99 million more, and you'll match where the iPod sales are now.

Really? (3, Interesting)

villaged (616929) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299151)

The only time I have ever seen one in the wild is when a Microsoft SE was using one.

Has anyone ever been somewhere and seen more than say three in a five minute span?

Re:Really? (3, Funny)

spooje (582773) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299179)

Pdeople are probably too embarrassed to use them in public.

Re:Really? (1)

bedonnant (958404) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299441)

song quirting must make them uncomfortable.

And I still don't know anyone who owns one.... (0, Redundant)

Proudrooster (580120) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299165)

At my monthly tech meeting we have a gadget show-n-tell, so far no Zunes have shown up. It is strange that MS claims 1,000,000 sold and I do not know anyone who has a Zune... Things that make you go hmmmm.....

Re:And I still don't know anyone who owns one.... (4, Funny)

peragrin (659227) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299189)

A million zunes sold, and 250,000 returned because they weren't ipods.

Re:And I still don't know anyone who owns one.... (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299223)

A million zunes sold, and 250,000 returned because they weren't ipods.

      Another 700,000 are just sitting on the store shelves collecting dust. Actual sales to consumers - 50,000.

Re:And I still don't know anyone who owns one.... (2, Informative)

peragrin (659227) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299367)

>>A million zunes sold, and 250,000 returned because they weren't ipods.

            Another 700,000 are just sitting on the store shelves collecting dust. Actual sales to consumers - 50,000.

That's MSFT style accounting for you. 40 million Vista license sold, yet that included the two months before christmas when they started giving away vouchers.

10% of $product market... (5, Insightful)

patio11 (857072) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299181)

Riddle me this Slashdot: Why is it that when a product achieves ... ...10% of the MP3 player market, it is less than an also-ran. ...10% of the browser market, it is a signal that the world is changing. ...10% of the OS market, it is news that would rival the second coming of Christ.

(Hey, put down that Troll mod -- part-time Linux-based programmer with an iPod here... Really.)

Re:10% of $product market... (5, Insightful)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299247)

I like that point but I'm pretty sure Zune doesn't have 10% of the MP3 player market by a long shot.

Re:10% of $product market... (1, Interesting)

moonbender (547943) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299393)

Apple has sold 100 million iPods, so, no, 1 million Zunes don't make up 10% of the market. More like 0.1%, I guess. Linux desktop market share is a lot more than that...

Re:10% of $product market... (5, Informative)

berj (754323) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299477)

You're off by almost as much as the original poster.

1/100 = 1% not 0.1%

The only way to get down to 0.1% is if the iPod only had a 10% share of the overall MP3 player market. I'm pretty sure the iPod's market share is something like 60 or 70 percent.

soo..

100/.6 = ~166 million total MP3 players

1/166 = zune market share of 0.6%

Re:10% of $product market... (2, Insightful)

moonbender (547943) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299515)

Yup, I was assuming the iPod has about a 10% market share, globally. It might be much higher in the US, but what about the rest of the world? I know a lot of people with iPods, but most casual users I know have opted for cheaper thumbstick-type players.

Re:10% of $product market... (1)

deopmix (965178) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299497)

um, check your math. 1 million out of 100 million is 1%.

Re:10% of $product market... (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299527)

Um, there are other MP3 players besides the iPod. See above. Maybe I should have been more clear...

Re:10% of $product market... (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299467)

> I like that point but I'm pretty sure Zune doesn't have 10% of the MP3 player market by a long shot.

It doesn't help that Microsoft has forgotten to launch the Zune outside the US. Then again, it got reviewed in a UK magazine and the verdict was `might be ok when it's finished` so perhaps they're better off completing Zune 2 first.

Simple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299255)

If a small player has only 10% of the market and a compelling product, it's a sign of change. If a major player has only 10% of the market and a product with no compelling features, it's a sign of failure.

Except Microsoft wont fail, they'll gain a foothold and then flood the retail channel with their second-rate take on an existing product. With one or two exceptions, that's how they've done things for the past 20 years.

Re:10% of $product market... (4, Insightful)

nanosquid (1074949) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299325)

It's not the market that makes the difference, it's the company. In the past, Microsoft has been able to kill competitors simply by announcing a product, and if that wasn't enough, they'd follow it with billions in marketing and loss leaders. Microsoft wanted to make Zune a big success and they have failed; it's just another clunky Microsoft product that may or may not sell enough to break even eventually.

OTOH, when other companies achieve 10% market share against a convicted but unrepentant monopolist with billions of dollars in his war chest and an army of lawyers, yes, that is big news.

Re:10% of $product market... (1)

jone1941 (516270) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299341)

You are talking about different markets, players and install base. How many MP3 players are there, how many internet users, and further still how many computers are there? All of these things increase in scale and vastly increase their importance. This isn't a small player we're talking about, it's Microsoft! The fact that they spent as much as they did trying to develop and market this thing and still only managed to sell 1,000,000 of them (to stores) in it's first year is pretty pathetic.

In the case of browsers we're talking about a community developed open source browser breaking down the barrier of a pre-installed base. This is big news. In the case of an OS reaching 10% (which to the best of my knowledge still isn't even close to happening) we're talking about at least a decade of dominance being overthrown. In both the browser and operating system cases the large majority of users are still unaware that there is even a choice. I find it hard to believe that there is anyone out there who doesn't know that there are other MP3 players available but still choose and iPod (even if it might be for the wrong reasons).

Re:10% of $product market... (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299553)

You do realize that they are claiming "that as much as they did trying to develop and market this thing", they ended up exceeding their goals?

Re:10% of $product market... (1, Troll)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299355)

Well, for one thing, the Zune doesn't have 10% of the market. That was one million zunes shipped, not sold. For another thing, he's probably artificially limiting the category the Zune is in, like only > 20Gb media players or something. If you want an alternate take from M$' perspective, try this one [roughlydrafted.com] :

...one million units in seven months of sales is simply nothing in consumer electronics. In reality, Apple will sell roughly another twenty million iPods by June 2007 ... if Microsoft can meet its goal by stuffing the channel with unsold Zunes, just as it did with the Xbox.
Admittedly, this guy is just as biased as the M$ guy.

Re:10% of $product market... (2, Informative)

jeffasselin (566598) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299357)

Apple recently announced they'd sold a total of 100 million iPods. They don't have 100% of the market, then the Zune's market penetration is LESS THAN ONE PERCENT.

Good job pulling that 10% figure out of your ass. Myself, I try to get sources when I pull off numbers:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/09ipod.htm l [apple.com]

If the Zune had taken 10% of the market, it would certainly have been significant. Less than 1%? No-name cheap players have probably done that much,

Re:10% of $product market... (4, Insightful)

RodgerDodger (575834) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299585)

10% of the market = 10% of the units sold in period (7 months from start of December to end of June). We're talking the hard-disk-based players here, BTW, as per the interview.

Apple doesn't have a market share of 100 million iPods. They've got an _installed base_ of 100 million iPods. During the first three months of '07, Apple sold 10,549,000 [apple.com] iPods - but the Shuffle and the Nano don't count (flash-based). Let's assume (for the sake of argument) that about half the iPods Apple sell are the HD models, and that they'll sell about the same again the April-June period. So you're looking at about 8-10 million HD iPods sold in the period described. Suddenly, a 10% market share for the Zune selling about 1 million in the same period isn't unrealistic.

I think we can assume that the Microsoft guy got the size of the market right - he may be exaggerating sales by including units still in the channels and not with customers, but the size of the market is right.

Still, I don't know who buys these things. But then, I don't think MS sells them in Australia yet, so that's hardly surprising for me.

Re:10% of $product market... (1)

tji (74570) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299387)

Well, a few things..

While the MP3 market is pretty large, it's nowhere near the market of Operating Systems or Web Browsers.. Many millions of people use the latter products.

There is a big difference between a large dominant player (Microsoft) selling a million, and an upstart (Firefox, Linux) getting market share. Microsoft has existing agreements with a lot of companies, which can be leveraged to get the Zune out there (e.g. We'll give you better pricing on our other products if you carry the Zune). MS has the ability to get a late to market "me-too" version of an MP3 player sold and displayed prominantly at Target, Walmart, Best Buy, and many others. A non-Behemoth company would have no such luck without producing a truly revolutionary product or first proving the demand for the product in the market (which is what Apple had to do before getting the iPod carried in those major retailers).

So, Yes, there is a huge difference between 10% of a smaller market by a monopoly leveraging their clout, and 10% of a huge market by companies needing to compete based on quality.

Re:10% of $product market... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299411)

part-time Linux-based programmer with an iPod here...


Ooh, you must be a devil with the ladies.

Re:10% of $product market... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299451)

You're right, but even below 10% of the market, I've *seen* an Apple computer on a number of other people's desks, I've *seen* Linux systems on people's desks. I've seen all sorts of things with well under 10% of market share for the relevant product.

Where in the hell are the Zunes? I've yet to see one even on a store shelf!

Nice! (3, Insightful)

mattgreen (701203) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299471)

It can be simplified further:

* If we like said product/OS, then every tiny gain in market share is major news which is accepted without further questioning of the facts as presented. Comments on article consist of lots of pats on the back and generally positive.
* If we don't like said product/OS, then every tiny gain in market share involves questioning the facts as presented. Insert long diatribes about unfairness of past behavior. You can even make statements that conditionally apply, i.e. "monopolies are bad. Except for the iPod, they earned it!"

The funny part is you have a bunch of posts nitpicking over the 10% mark: "there's no way the Zune has 10%!" Yes, way to miss the entire point of the post.

Re:10% of $product market... (1)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299475)

Riddle me this Slashdot: Why is it that when a product achieves ... ...10% of the MP3 player market, it is less than an also-ran. ...10% of the browser market, it is a signal that the world is changing. ...10% of the OS market, it is news that would rival the second coming of Christ.
It is a simple matter of prior expectations. An open source project built by volunteers taking on a huge established company like Microsoft? Not much expectation of huge wins there. When you are talking about the OS, rather than just the browser, and you're discussing the bread and butter for Microsoft and the hugely entrenched mindshare, well the expectations for an open source project are very low indeed. On the other hand when you're talking about a huge company like Microsoft throwing its weight into a new market, well expectations are that they'll do reasonably well (it certainly worked for the XBox, despite dire predictions prior to release). A 10% market share for the Zune (if it is that high) is notable, but it is below what one would expect for a company with Microsoft's resources throwing itself into a new market. Is there a little anti-MS bias here on Slashdot? Of course! What the hell did you expect?! The Zune is hardly a failure. Still, it is a long way from taking the world by storm, and given expectations its market share is decidedly underwhelming.

Re:10% of $product market... (1)

JohnyDog (129809) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299479)

Because both OS and browser market are in state of huge vendor lock-in. Any small change in there is indication of bigger things to come. But the main thing is interoperability. Users doesn't care about what OS or browser they're using (unless it sucks horribly), all they care is if they can run their apps or display their favourite internet pages. My bank's page was IE-only until last year and they introduced firefox-compatible site only after major news ran story about firefox getting 10% browser market share.

MP3 player market however is different thing. You don't run apps on your player (yet), there is no connection with other devices (well not counting zune's wifi 'sharing'), so there is no vendor lock-in. If the player i have has 0.001% or 99% marketshare i can't care less, it doesn't affect me, or my ability to use it. The important thing is whether i can transfer my music to it, and whether it can play the formats. Yes, this may change with DRM in the future, but for now, there is no lock-in.

Re:10% of $product market... (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299671)

I would think that part of the problem is that Microsoft can arrange things so you're punished for using an alternative OS or alternative browser. I remember when Mozilla was young and Firefox wasn't even Firefox yet, and a whole lot of web pages wouldn't render properly in anything but Internet Explorer. 10% of the market would mean that people were using it in spite of this problem, and that web designers would need to support these browsers, and therefore it would be a big win.

You have similar situations with the OS-- if 10% of the desktop market were Linux, you'd see a lot more hardware and software supporting Linux, which would mean that 10% would be able to grow. But what does 10% of the MP3 market mean? What would that change? You'd expect that MS, with all their muscle, could get 10% by hook or by crook. That they haven't managed that yet looks bad.

Is the Zune a Player? (4, Insightful)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299201)

I'd hoped that the Zune would be a stronger competitor to the iPod, offering things Apple didn't and raising the bar on portable players generally.

As a fan of Apple, I'm keen to see better players in this space to drive everyone up. It's good to see Microsoft claiming the million players sold, but the Zune as it stands today is a turkey. The innovative wireless sharing has been hobbled by unnecessarily draconian DRM, leaving a weak offering. Maybe Zune 2 will be better, but it's a failure to release a poor first showing, as now we've all got this first impression to overcome.

I'd like to see Microsoft release a really solid Zune. Promises are worth exactly nothing; only products matter.

Re:Is the Zune a Player? (1)

alchemist68 (550641) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299513)

I think MSFT's plan was to build an MP3 player at the lowest possible R&D costs while offering features the iPod didn't, and that includes a different user interface to the iPod's aging user interface. However, when Steve demoed the iPhone and everyone oooohed.... and ahhhhhed... over it's slick user interface and features, everyone knows that most of the iPhone's user interface and possibly some of the its features will make there way into new iPods. Apple has an established history of investing heavily in R&D and providing a consistent user interface and features spanning across its some of its products. I think this is what Apple refers to as 'it just works' in it's advertisements and the public/market at large recognizes this. This is one of many reasons for Apple's success in this arena and why Microsoft isn't.

Reiterating the comments of other Slashdotters, I've never seen a PERSON walking in public listening to or carrying a Zune. The only place I've seen a Zune was resting on a dusty display at Best Buy, and of course, with no one looking at them.

Nice (3, Funny)

Tuoqui (1091447) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299207)

At least it seems to be selling better than Vista!

Sold? or Shipped? (5, Insightful)

Basilius (184226) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299209)

We all know MSFT counts something as sold the day it leaves the warehouse, not the day it leaves the store.

I know more people with Archos products (2) than Zunes (1).

Re:Sold? or Shipped? (1)

dekkerdreyer (1007957) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299413)

> I know more people with Archos products (2) than Zunes (1). That's statistically significant. 1/sqrt(N) is your signal to noise.

Whoa, you know someone with a Zune? (1)

Xocet_00 (635069) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299425)

I have to admit, I've been curious to play around with one of these things, but I haven't even seen them in stores here (Halifax, NS) let alone in the hands of one of my friends. Not that I would buy one - my iPod works just fine.

Re:Whoa, you know someone with a Zune? (1)

Basilius (184226) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299623)

Yup. I know one. And I work for a Microsoft Gold Certified Partner. The guy actually researched four different models and ended up going with the Zune.

In a related note, Target used to have their Zune stuff on an endcap. Now, it's buried off in the middle of one of the aisles.

Re:Sold? or Shipped? (1)

Hangtime (19526) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299429)

Good point, however its not so much the deviousness of a company but rather the reality of GAAP accounting. The manufacturer counts the sell upon delivery of the product to a wholesaler (Best Buy, CompUSA) and receiving consideration (money) for the sale equals revenue. However, the smart analyst will look at how things flow through the channel (Wal-Mart, Best Buy, etc.) to ascertain how well things are selling to the consumer because this will be the best indicator of the future.

Re:Sold? or Shipped? (1)

dvice_null (981029) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299457)

I think they also count coupons that offer you a discount to the product as sold. This is what happened with Vista (except discount was 100% if I remember correctly).

Get the podcast! (1)

Wulfstan (180404) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299229)

Quoth the article:

"Read the full interview or listen the podcast (available to download also) on San Franscisco Chronicle."

Yeah, you'd think they'd have edited that one out...

Wow, a million stupid people (1)

The Faywood Assassin (542375) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299237)

I guess that's also a running tally of how many people who can't read the cruddy reviews about this thing.

I can see the first few thousand people being blinded by the lies, but why the rest followed them over the cliff is beyond me!

You fail 1t (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299275)

erosion of usser visions going MAKES ME SICK JUST

Not fair! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299305)

Not fair if you're counting Ballmer buying the first 900,000 units!

Probably true. but... (3, Interesting)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299323)

The thing is one million may sound like a lot to us, but it is really a drop in the bucket compared to mow many mp3 players there are out there. iPods have sold how many million? I still see more generic players (Sansas etc) around my area than genuine iPods. MS is trying to establish the Zune as a brand which may or may not happen. To do so they will have to sell 10's of millions and then you might see one. MS does have the staying power to wait. If the thing fails, at least they have a tax write-off. In the meantime, the reason they want in is the sheer size of the market. Not unlike the iPhone which Apple figures will make a go of it with single digit market penetration. A million is probably true, but in percentage of the market it is insignificant.

...but... (-1, Troll)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299353)

its running Microsoft software... where's the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys for when it crashes?

Re:...but... (1)

youthoftoday (975074) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299517)

Wrong. It's running EMBEDDED Microsoft software -- here, the `reset' button is king.

How many sold to their own employees? (2, Interesting)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299397)

After the iPod amnesty at Microsoft I would imagine they have finally reached this target.

Re:How many sold to their own employees? (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299631)

Do you really think that Microsoft hires over a million people? And that they all have ipods? And that they all want to throw them away for the Zune? What are you, stupid, or an accountant?

Great to hear everyone's personal experiences (1, Flamebait)

mattgreen (701203) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299399)

I hate to interrupt this lovely Zune hate-fest (since it became cool to hate on it for no apparent reason) but since when have people considered their own personal experience when dealing with a product to somehow scale up to the reality of it? Every second post says, "I have never seen anyone with them!" Well, of course not, look at what site you're on! It is practically a religion to hate on Microsoft here. I reckon the Zune's market is people who think the iPod is too cool so they buy the Microsoft alternative. Do you think it is surprising that there are Zune booths inside of GameStop?

And I write this as an iPod user. It is my job to make fun of your groupthink, so carry on.

Re:Great to hear everyone's personal experiences (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299461)

The Zune's DRM is a pretty apparent reason to hate on it.

Re:Great to hear everyone's personal experiences (1)

mattgreen (701203) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299501)

I hate the iTunes DRM. I hate the Sony CD's rootkit. I hate the DRM files in Rhapsody/Napster. Why is it that we never hear about those much anymore? Don't we all HATE them with every fiber of our being?

Re:Great to hear everyone's personal experiences (1)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299533)

Where I work it's almost totally a Microsoft shop, Windows PCs everywhere. Yet you see no Zune players, guess why? Microsoft haven't even launched it in the UK yet!!!

Sold or shipped? (2, Interesting)

bbzzdd (769894) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299403)

I am reluctant to believe that 1M Zunes were sold through to consumers as opposed to sold to retail. Microsoft pulled this same stunt in December to meet their 10M Xbox 360 goal. They essentially flooded the retail channels with 360s, many of which are still on the shelves today. The question is, how many Zunes did they dump into retail to meet the 1M goal?

Re:Sold or shipped? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299503)

actually, you'll find many manfacturers flood the market with their product in december. It's called 'christmas'.

1000000? (5, Funny)

meta coder (752563) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299431)

of course, it's binary

Zune = zzZZzzz (1)

Khan (19367) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299443)

That about sums up my excitement concerning the Zune. I'll stick with my Sansa e280 especially since I can run Rockbox on it.

sold to whom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299449)

Don't know about the US or Asia, but here in EU seems that nearly nobody bought it.

Could be nice if they said to whom they sold one million zunes.
Not to me, certainly. When I'll need one I'm going to buy some chinese player which will cost a fraction and, more important, won't be crippled by drm, spyware and a proprietary operating system I don't trust.

Apples, Oranges and Statistics (1)

Ian.Waring (591380) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299473)

According to Robbie Bach, Microsoft's president of the Entertainment and Devices Division, Zune will meet the goal of 1.000.000 players sold by the end of June, set at launch.

I've yet to see one this side of the pond, and the statement doesn't say who Microsoft sold them to and and what price. Given they appear to be able to hit the volume just in time for Microsoft's financial year end, how do you spell "write off"? And isn't market share normally measured by what proportion appear to be in the hands of consumers??

In Soviet Microsoftistan (1)

theolein (316044) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299565)

Microsoft product managers remind me of the Soviet factory managers in that they both had fixed, set quotas to meet, which were set by leaders/upper management who were/are totally divorced from the reality of just how unpopular Microsoft as a brand is, and the reasons behind that unpopularity are because it's been a long time since Microsoft offered products that didn't have some kind of Designed-By-Marketing trick to lock you into their products.

It shows just how little trust Microsoft actually has in its own products.

No no no (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299581)

it's 1,000,000 patents infringed and 235 Zunes sold

Weakonomics! (1)

k1e0x (1040314) | more than 7 years ago | (#19299595)

You can't count giving 850,000 away for free as a "sale".

Microsoft does this all the time, They say "see Vista already outsold XP in its first month. (I have only seen 1 person with a Vista system and he hates it.) it's widely addopted.. why dont you have it? your falling behind in REAL technology."

Can't even give them away. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299599)

Microsoft run a Student Partners program (cheap grass roots marketing). You advertise us on campus, we'll give you prizes.

The winner of the award this year was due to get a Zune... however, due to it not being lanuched over here yet, they had to give away a Creative Zen (if I remember rightly). Oops.

1.000.000 = 1 != 1,000,000 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19299709)

"has already met the goal of 1.000.000 players sold, "

So only 1 zune was sold... Great.
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