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Second-gen iPhone Confirmed?

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the getting-ahead-of-themselves-a-bit dept.

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gadgetopia writes "ITWire is reporting that the Taiwanese manufacturer Quanta has seemingly confirmed a second generation of the Apple iPhone. Another report referenced by the article suggests the new model could come with a different case design. 'Quanta and Apple already enjoy a strong relationship, with Quanta building both MacBooks and iPods for Apple to sell worldwide, although Foxconn (Hon Hai Precision Industry) is reported to be building the first batch of iPhones due to arrive in the US market by the end of June. Reports suggest Quanta has received an order for 5 million iPhones which are to be shipped in September ... Presumably this could entail a 3G or even 3.5G HSDPA iPhone for European markets due to get the iPhone by the end of the year, or even the addition of more memory - imagine a 16Gb or even 32Gb iPhone, unlikely though those will be this year mainly due to the high cost of 16 or 32Gb of flash memory.'"

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Apple users are genuine retards! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19309571)

Apple is Gay! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19310091)

'nuff said.
 
Funny thing is how this post is going to be a waste of at least one modpoint. Suck my balls, moderators.

Re:Apple is Gay! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19310333)

disregard that I suck cocks

Re:Apple is Gay! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19310347)

your mom

Can we please get out the next OS first! (4, Insightful)

N3WBI3 (595976) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309581)

Rather than a very expensive, albeit, nice phone can we please put out the OS we were origionally expecting this quarter..

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (5, Interesting)

catbutt (469582) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309715)

Tiger is working well for me. An update would be nice, I suppose, but frankly I don't really care that much.

I'm far more interested in seeing apple jump into the phone business and keep everyone else playing catch up.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (3, Insightful)

Ramble (940291) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309851)

Sorry, but catch up? The smartphones currently out there do way more than an iPhone does. It's too expensive for the casual user and no business would use it. The whole phone is basically an expensive gimmick only the brute hardcore Apple fans would buy.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (4, Insightful)

shilly (142940) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310105)

1) The two segments are business and consumer, not business and casual users. Plenty of consumers have a $350 iPod and a phone worth (at least) $150. Quite a lot have a BlackBerry as well. It seems reasonable to assume some will prefer to have one device to replace the first two, if not the third as well.
2) Your view of what's useful and what's a gimmick for a phone is bizarre. Most mobiles are pretty shit at their core job of making and receiving calls -- it's a major PITA trying to merge two calls for example -- getting this kind of feature really really right is what counts. Visual voicemail, to take another example, is a step-change improvement in vmx management. Plenty of business users will be very keen to get their hands on those features, although whether they'll be able to or not will generally depend on factors beyond their control.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (4, Informative)

DesertBlade (741219) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310351)

Current generation BlackBerries can play media and are cell phones, they provide all the features at less cost. Blackberry may be the standard in business, but they are moving into to the consumer markets with the Pearl, that is what I have and I see them more and more.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (1)

Germik (955292) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311885)

This is true, and as a moderately pleased owner of a blackberry pearl, I have to say that it's a nice phone overall. Making calls is easy and even joining them isn't too hard. It works great for my texting and e-mail needs. There are some things about it, though, that just aren't quite right. For instance, switching applications is a little slow and feels clunky. Additionally, the application for taking and viewing pictures is really slow, and it gets worse when you use a microSD card. The a/v player stuff is also just not quite there; its interface feels kinda inefficient.

So, you're right. A blackberry does do most everything the iPhone does, but from all that we've seen, I'm thinking that the iPhone just does it a little nicer. And I think that matters to consumers.

the Mom test (4, Interesting)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310387)

I plan to test the iPhone by handing the iPhone to my Mom and asking her to call my brother. I suspect that she'll be able to do it, with no training. If I'm right, then the iPhone will be quite popular. Apple will wind up selling their "smart phone" to people who would never buy any of the "smart phones" on the market today, because they are too difficult to use.

Re:the Mom test (4, Interesting)

blhack (921171) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311027)

I disagree with your test. A better one would be to hand it to her for a week, then try to take it away and see what happens. I have a blackberry, for the first few days or so, the interface was VERY strange to me, and it took a lot of pecking around before I figured out the philosophy of how everything was layed out. Now, I don't think i will ever own a different phone. Navigating through other peoples phones now is a pain, nothing is organized with any sort of logic, and the menus look like those of a fisher price toy.

Re:the Mom test (1)

dantheman82 (765429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311249)

Which lends itself to a great ad slogan:
Our "smart phones" are smart, even when you are not!

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311111)

Your view of what's useful and what's a gimmick for a phone is bizarre. Most mobiles are pretty shit at their core job of making and receiving calls
Then it's too bad the iPhone won't have any buttons for dialing (and for that matter texting). That's a very basic problem.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (4, Informative)

DECS (891519) | more than 7 years ago | (#19312169)

It actually displays whatever buttons would make sense in the given context.

How many tiny physical buttons do you think it needs? I've used everything from a Treo to a BBerry, and can't say physical buttons push my buttons. Dialing numbers or mixed number/text is annoying with a full mini keyboard, and is painful with T9. I for one welcome our new touch screen overlords.

Recall seeing any keyboards on Star Trek? We have to make the move at some point in order to get into the future, and its not like Microsoft is going to usher in something new.

Another point of interest is that nobody is crying about the LG Prada phone, which uses a similar arrangement of a touch screen, albeit using the horrific Flash Lite.

Origins: Why the iPhone is ARM, and isn't Symbian [roughlydrafted.com]
Apple iPhone vs LG Prada KE850 [roughlydrafted.com]

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (5, Insightful)

@madeus (24818) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310399)

As an early adopter I've owned (and occasionally trialed through work) loads of new phones - and developed 3rd party software for a couple (for fun).

The software on most phones is appaling, no attention is paid to user experience. They are not built by people who understand how to put together a good UI or a robust and appropriate interface for a mobile device - and I can't imagine they've gone through any sort of meaningful usability testing.

Smart phones are showcase of poorly designed software, with inconsistent behaviour, over complicated and badly organised system settings and unresponsive, sluggish and often unstable user interfaces - that are typically only half-implimented. This only started to be really visible once phones started getting complicated (as it's easy to make a simple system, like the early Nokia UI, easy to use).

I'm sure my last 4 or 5 phones will technically have a lot more features than the Apple Phone when it comes out - I've got 5 year old phones that I'm sure will be able to claim a richer feature set - but in the same way I've had other, more 'powerful' MP3 players than my iPod, if the user experience is right, that's more important to me. I'd rather have a smaller subset of features that just work really well, rather than bunch of confusing settings and overly complicated menus and options that insist on getting in the way rather than just behaving in a simple, minimalist manner and doing what I'm actually likely to WANT it to do.

I hope that in demonstrating how to get software right (which I have every confidence Apple will do - given their track record with things like the Newton) manufacturers will learn and develop similarly user-experience focused platforms with a similar level of polish. But I doubt it, after all they didn't learn from the Newton and the development of Palm OS has been royally screwed up.

As much as I don't want to sound like a fanboy, it's actually depressing how good the the UI on the Newton was when I think that no PDA or smartphone I've owned or even heard of since (and that must be about 20) has even been HALF as good. Sony were making some great hardware till they halted Clie development (the PEG-TH55 is still an awesome peice of kit, several years on) and the latest Nokia Smartphone range is interesting (I've got an E61 ATM), and the Sharp Zarus PDA range is really nifty too, but without good software, the hardware is just wasted.

The wider market consists of regular people.... (2, Interesting)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310731)

Yes, catch up. Features are irrelevant when the User Interfaces to use them suck so much that mostly no one uses them. How many owners of Treos, Blackberrys and WM devices use even 40% of the features of their phones? The iPhone's breakthrough UI will enable regular folks to use MORE of their device then they could with other smartphones. So yes, in that regard which just so happens to be the MOST IMPORTANT ONE, the others will all collectively and individually be playing 'catch up'.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (1)

l3mr (1070918) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311447)

That is what people said when the iPod was released...

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (1)

N3WBI3 (595976) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309853)

I bought my wife a mack book with Tiger which means I inherited her power book with 10.3. There are many people out there with more than one mac who dont want to buy two upgrades..

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (2, Informative)

andy9701 (112808) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309979)

You can always by the family pack [apple.com] , which for Tiger costs $200 (a single user upgrade costs $130) and gets you 5 licenses. That's really a pretty good deal.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (1)

N3WBI3 (595976) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310079)

Yes but given one of the machines is already tiger why would I buy the family pack the then update on machine. When they release the next os *then* I will buy it.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (1)

got2liv4him (966133) | more than 7 years ago | (#19312255)

i think he's talking about the next upgrade...

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (3, Funny)

anagama (611277) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309865)

I'm more interested in 10.5 -- multiple desktops finally integrated (not some overpriced add-on or underfeatured free add-on). I can only hope they add middle-click-paste as well, but I'll probably have to wait for 10.6.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (-1, Troll)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310301)

Apple takes an antiquated but very, very fast operating system, removes half the features, and touts it as the next big thing in operating systems. Apple fans cheer and rejoice. Unix nerds do the same, and flock to the system in droves; some significant percentage of them realizes it's been had and recoils in disgust, returning to *BSD, Slowlaris (but why?) or Linux. The remainder stay in Apple's house, licking the wallpaper so they can taste the snozzberries, and not noticing how much taller the ceilings are and how much more usable floor space is available over in the Real Unix (tm) communities. Just amazing. And even more amazing that so many people have bought into the whole thing and continue to stick with it even though it's clearly a massive boondoggle.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (2, Insightful)

NNKK (218503) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310523)

I have a question. If you actually _need_ a standard Unix system as your primary desktop, why the hell would you buy a Mac in the first place? What possible attraction could there be? You pay a premium for the hardware and get a system that, though it actually _is_ really Unix, despite what you seem to think, differs in some very important ways from most Unix systems.

You seem to be ragging on OS X and its users just because it doesn't do what _you_ want it to. If it doesn't meet your needs, that's fine, but it's no reason to be an ass.

Personally, I'm a unix geek, and I've been a happy PowerBook owner since late 2005. It works great as a desktop that "just works" + a unix command line environment, which is precisely what many of us are after. If you need to do heavy lifting that really _needs_ a typical *nix environment, OS X helpfully provides OpenSSH right in the default install. Login to your Linux box and go nuts.

And if you just don't like Macs, that's fine, too. But your reasons for insulting OS X and its users are specious at best.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (0, Flamebait)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310627)

I have a question. If you actually _need_ a standard Unix system as your primary desktop, why the hell would you buy a Mac in the first place?

Who said anything about need? Doesn't "want" count for anything any more? And why did you assume that it was a "need" situation?

What possible attraction could there be? You pay a premium for the hardware and get a system that, though it actually _is_ really Unix, despite what you seem to think, differs in some very important ways from most Unix systems.

Yes, it really is Unix. It's just a fucked over version, that's all. And it's fucked over in ways that reduce functionality.

It's also amazingly slower than the original. NeXTStep was peppy on a 25 MHz 68020, for example, in a way that even System 7 couldn't manage on the same amount of machine.

It works great as a desktop that "just works"

My experience has been very different.

And if you just don't like Macs, that's fine, too. But your reasons for insulting OS X and its users are specious at best.

Specious? Apple has destroyed almost everything good about NeXTStep (except Obj-C) in the process of making their candy-coated farce. The system is substantially less reliable than NeXTStep was. So I think it's very reasonable to criticize Apple for what they have done. And I don't think it's unreasonable to criticize people for being sheep. It's the biggest problem we face today (although the Apple-related results are pretty low on the chart of importance.)

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (1)

CyberSnyder (8122) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311101)

Baaaa. I really like my iBook and OS X. Baaaaa.

Besides some flakiness in setting up WiFi, my iBook has "just worked" for the past 2.5+ years. Far less headaches than anything Windows, Linux, AIX, Solaris, HP-UX or Irix related. When 10.5 comes out, I'll buy a MacBook -- and not because the iBook needs to be replaced. It's just getting more difficult to get time on it without my wife or kids doing something on the laptop. They also prefer it over Windows. Maybe Apple only took half of NeXTStep, but I think they took the good half.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (4, Insightful)

abigor (540274) | more than 7 years ago | (#19312215)

Yes, it really is Unix. It's just a fucked over version, that's all. And it's fucked over in ways that reduce functionality.

Could you elaborate on this? Please be specific. I write and deploy software to Unix (Linux, BSD, and occasionally Solaris) for a living, and I develop on a MacBook. It has served me very well, and I've found no areas in which it's really "fucked over" to reduce functionality. Well, I guess the lack of Gentoo-style start/stop scripts threw me for a bit, but that's not a global Unix thing.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19310645)

Apple takes an antiquated but very, very fast operating system, removes half the features, and touts it as the next big thing in operating systems.
Like what?

Mr. Jobs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19310407)

Xerox called and asked for their mouse buttons back.

or alternately:

what is this middle-click you speak of?

and for the fanbois:

dude, you can purchase xlix-two-oh-oh-oh for $13 and you can have middle-click paste plus a whole bunch of other middle-click features.

*me clicks Post Anonymously, and gingerly steps aside*

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (1)

empaler (130732) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310413)

Couldn't you script your way to middle-click pasting?

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (1)

Rodness (168429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310811)

Tiger is working well for me. An update would be nice, I suppose, but frankly I don't really care that much.
I totally agree. Tiger is stable and doesn't leave me feeling like there's something missing. I'm intrigued by features in Leopard (notably Time Machine) but other than that, honestly, there's no huge compelling rush to upgrade.

Remember, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Tiger is 2 years old and still most decidedly not broke. Sure, it's got a few quirks, and sure, I will most likely upgrade to Leopard pretty darn soon after it comes out, (well, maybe at 10.5.1) but Tiger is still good enough that I'm not heartbroken over a Leopard delay.

always one complainer (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19309907)

A phone is much better. No one knows what os you run but everyone will see my iPhone.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (1)

fishdan (569872) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310175)

Well, I tell you what, I'm damn sure not buying a first gen IPhone now. Of course that's gonna screw Apple's sales, but seriously -- if there is a 3g IPhone coming out, I'll wait.

waiting is (1)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310353)

AT&T is deploying their 3G network, but you can expect the iPhone to support it when it's widely available, as EDGE Is today. That might be a pretty long wait. Right now, in those few placees you can get 3G in the U.S., you're probably already in or near a "hot spot" with 802.11 access. AT&T does have serious competition since the CDMA carriers in the U.S. have been investing heavily, so perhaps the wait for the current generation of cell phone network technology won't be as long as it historically has been. Verizon has 2Mb service just about anywhere you can get a cell phone signal these days. T-Mobile and AT&T rolled out EDGE, what, about a year ago? Roughly the same time as Verizon was rolling out 2Mb. The GSM carriers are pretty far behind.

Re:waiting is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19311595)

Ahh, so right, and so wrong. America is WOEFULLY behind on anything to do with 3G. Most places are getting ready to obsolete their 3G networks in place of 3.5G+. EU mandated their telcos to cover eighty per cent or more of Europe's population with 3G by the end of 2005.


That being said, T-mobile commenced their 3G network around 6 months ago, although thus far it is limited to New York. It has had EDGE since September 2005, though.


What drives me insane here is seeing obsolete technology being touted as new. Take for example the Nokia 61xx series or the HORRIBLE 3650. That thing was discontinued in Australia in 2004! Bleh.

Good Luck Expensing this Toy! (1)

ShrapnelFace (1001368) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311871)

Hey Boss- I need this phone so that I can connect with my customers more closely.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 7 years ago | (#19312005)

Was there a "first-gen" iPhone? Did I miss something?

I think we're seeing a groundbreaking marketing strategy from Apple: Announce a new product that's not that much better than the current smartphones we already have, then leak a story about some "second-gen" iPhones that are "just around the corner".

Here's my question: If you knew there was a second generation iPhone coming, would you spend the $499 (or whatever it is) to buy the first generation? Every so often, a technology company will come out with a product that, while attractive and perhaps even important, is so poorly conceived or executed that it fails spectacularly. Apple's done it before, and I'd hate to see it happen again.

I need Apple to stay in business long enough to release a version of the Mac OS that will run on the best hardware I can put together. I miss working in Logic Pro, but I won't reward a company that's been such an enabler of DRM in the marketplace and is hostile to what I want in an OS. It occurs to me that if Apple had held firm when the iPods first came out, the way the iPods took off they just might have had enough leverage to kill DRM in its infancy.

Re:Can we please get out the next OS first! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19312211)

You're that eager to spent another $150 upgrading your OS? And who says the iphone is "very nice?" Looks reasonably retarded to me and more of a pain in the ass to use than anything else.

I'll have to agree with the first post up there, you apple users are fucking retards.

memory size (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19309593)

32Gb is only 4GB. I think you meant 32GB.

Re:memory size (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19309741)

I think you meant 32GB.

And you meant 32 gibibytes. You're an Apple user, aren't you? Go back to Remedial Prefixes 101 before you embarrass yourself further.

Re:memory size (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19310151)

"And you meant 32 gibibytes. You're an Apple user, aren't you? Go back to Remedial Prefixes 101 before you embarrass yourself further."

And you need to learn how to spell "gigabyte" and learn the difference between a prefix and a suffix because pointing your finger at others makes you look like the knuckle-dragging Neanderthal troll you are.

Try Googe (2, Interesting)

thegnu (557446) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310497)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte [wikipedia.org]

You may get the irony in this young troll's comment.

(also, try Googing Googe before you get on my case)

Re:memory size (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19310501)

Do some learning yourself. [wikipedia.org]

Re:memory size (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19311765)

Well, seeing as it is all speculative we actually don't know whether they would offer a 32 gigabyte or 32 gibibyte version, I feel that his pedantry on insisting on bytes over bits is a bit more acceptable than demanding gibi vs. giga.

Re:memory size (1)

Enrique1218 (603187) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311127)

Ah Slashdot, pedantry at its best.

OpenMoko (3, Interesting)

fredan (54788) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309609)

And as an alternative there is OpenMoko [openmoko.org] which, of course, runs Linux and is complete open.

fixed it for you... (3, Funny)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310161)

And as an alternative there is OpenMoko which, of course, runs Linux and is incomplete, although it is open source, so you can help finish it.

one more fix for the mac zealots (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19311041)

And as an alternative there is OpenMoko which, of course, runs Linux and unlike the iPhone can run user developed software, so you can write the next killer app for it instead of being led by the short hairs by Apple.

European Release or Minor Rev? (3, Insightful)

Soukyan (613538) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309613)

Along with the speculation in the article, I have to simply speculate that the contract is for phones to be sold in another market, such as Europe. Or it could be a minor revision boost to coincide with new iPod revisions or some other flash-based announcement that Apple may make. From a business perspective, I have to think it is the former. I'm still interested to see the first revision of the iPhone on store shelves before I start worrying about a second revision.

they would have to subsidize the price (1)

miowpurr (1004277) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309627)

If they offered a 32GB iPhone, the price would have to be subsidized like most other cell phones in the US. NOt that Apple would ever allow that, but it might get more people willing to buy the phone and then pay extra for content packages.

Goatse! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19309631)

All I Want... (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309637)

All I want to know is when the iPhone is coming to Canada...

Imagine (0, Offtopic)

noz (253073) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309645)

imagine a 16Gb or even 32Gb iPhone, unlikely though those will be this year mainly due to the high cost of 16 or 32Gb of flash memory.
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of iPhones, unlikely though these are already difficult enough to get your hand on one, let alone 20 including mobile phone contracts.

Re:Imagine (1)

aegisalpha (58712) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309915)

If it weren't for battery and bandwidth issues I'm sure the spare processing power of most mobile phones would be put to good use by Folding@Home or any of the other distributed computing projects.

Not a second iPhone, but a widescreen iPod? (5, Interesting)

maubp (303462) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309649)

Some have speculated that this is in fact a widescreen iPod, rather than a second revision of the iPhone (for a non-USA market?)

Re:Not a second iPhone, but a widescreen iPod? (1)

initialE (758110) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310169)

If it is, that ought to be good enough to divide the market onto those who are serious about getting a phone, and those who are serious about watching movies on the go. No room for those in between however.

3G (1)

crunzh (1082841) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309661)

I would love a 3G iPhone. Videocalling and not the dog slow GPRS datatransfers (In denmark where I come from EDGE isn't really used.)

How about voice dialing and better battery (4, Interesting)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309679)

Rather than more memory (aren't there iPods with that already?) how about they at least confirm that the current iPhone has voice dialing or make darn sure they put it into the next release. I can only imagine the number of idiots trying to press "buttons" on their flat touch screen while driving. (if they've confirmed it then nevermind, and that's good to hear)

A longer-lasting battery is also a MUST if you want to use the sucker as *both* a media player/comp00tar and a phone. Want to watch a movie? Sure, but then you're out of a phone, buddy. Not so sure that's a great tradeoff. In-flight entertainment on long trips and something to call a buddy to pick you up from the airport? Better luck next time ^^

So, things to look forward to in the next release perhaps.

Re:How about voice dialing and better battery (2, Informative)

crunzh (1082841) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309727)

My Nokia N73 lasts 2-3 days when used to check email, make calls, take a few photos and listen to music. Its smaller than the Iphone but with a large display. So 1-2 days should not be impossible.

Video Playback (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309767)

Driving a display that's good enough to view movies on and decoding video at the same time draw quite a bit more juice than decoding audio/still image files. Still, I am hoping they can get the 1 day in your range, otherwise it's useless for anyone who travels at all.

Re:How about voice dialing and better battery (2, Informative)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309779)

At the moment it's 5 hours of video, web, or calls. Or 16 hours of music. Something like that, according to the specs someone posted on wikipedia. For a media player / web browser that's acceptable, but if you use it like most folks use such a device, I think you'll find little battery power left for calls. I know I'd never trust my Cowon A2 to have enough battery power to also be a phone for me, and that thing has a way longer-lasting battery than Apple's stuff.

Re:How about voice dialing and better battery (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19309829)

"I can only imagine the number of idiots trying to press "buttons" on their flat touch screen while driving."

It will suck for the first couple months, and a few innocents will have to die to ensure the safety of the species, but I think we've figured out a way to rid society of yuppies and soccer moms who think they are so damn important that they need to speak on the phone while driving a 5000lb weapon.

Of course, their vehicles are twice as heavy as those around them because they feel they are entitled to the safety afforded to their status, and that if it means they are twice as likely to kill an innocent, they've earned this.

About two years ago, I was answering a phone call, and missed a redlight and nearly creamed someone. They pulled over to the side completely freaked out. I pulled back, even though it wasn't an accident and appologized saying I had absolutely no excuse and told them if they felt the need to call the police because of my wreckless driving, so be it, I'd wait. She said that she would have seen me if she hadn't been on the phone and said she was never going to drive while on the phone again either.

Guess what? Two years later, and still won't answer the phone while driving. Pull the fuck over jackass. You'll be five minutes late. And yes, I was a fucking jackass too (and now an overly moralistic one to boot).

I hope they make it so inconvenient to use the phone while driving that yuppies just naturally kill themselves off. No voice dialing for me...its the act of using these things that make them dangerous. Taking your eye off the road only makes it slightly more.

Re:How about voice dialing and better battery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19311783)

So basically, your opinion is you deserved to die, but you lived, so now other people should die instead?
Weird. Also crazy, and wrong.

Re:How about voice dialing and better battery (2, Interesting)

Jellybob (597204) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310517)

Since it's running Mac OS, and Mac OS already has voice control built in I think it's a fairly safe bet it'll have voice dialing, and once it hits Europe it will be practically a requirement, since at least in the UK it is illegal to use a phone without hands free whilst driving.

Re:How about voice dialing and better battery (1)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311117)

A longer-lasting battery is also a MUST if you want to use the sucker as *both* a media player/comp00tar and a phone. Want to watch a movie? Sure, but then you're out of a phone, buddy. Not so sure that's a great tradeoff. In-flight entertainment on long trips and something to call a buddy to pick you up from the airport? Better luck next time ^^
Or, how about utilizing a built-in human feature called "Self-control"? You don't have to run the battery down. Try using a little imagination.

Re:How about voice dialing and better battery (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311699)

If you're paying $600 for something that forces you to use "self control" so the battery doesn't run out because you tried to use what you paid for, that's pretty pathetic. If it were a $200 device, that would be different.

Re:How about voice dialing and better battery (1)

moochfish (822730) | more than 7 years ago | (#19312303)

The iPhone has two batteries. One is exclusively for making calls.

Windows Mobile ... (0, Flamebait)

ThirdPrize (938147) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309689)

Thats what I hear the 2nd gen is running. I got bad karma, so mod me down some more.

*waves iPhone around* (2, Informative)

simong (32944) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309691)

Oooo look shiny. Sorry, that's an automatic reaction to iPhone stories.

I think it means second production run, but probably for Europe. It will have to pass CE certification for Europe and I would guess that the European partners have probably pointed out that 3G would be a good idea as we have more of that than wifi at the moment.

synesthesia (1)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310113)

You must have synesthesia [wikipedia.org] . Most people react that way to *pictures* of the iPhone.

You wrote:

"Oooo look shiny. Sorry, that's an automatic reaction to iPhone stories."

Wait a minute... (5, Insightful)

norminator (784674) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309815)

So, Apple's going to release a product which was officially announced with tremendous fanfare 5 months before release, and now supposedly they're going to release the second rev 3 months after the release? And the 2nd rev order has already been placed with the manufacturer, even though the first rev won't be released for another month still? And it has a different case design (boy, that would piss off the accessories manufacturers)?

There are so many things wrong with this "story" I don't know where to begin. I think one of two things is happening here:
1) As someone above mentioned, this is a widescreen iPod (which has been rumored in the past to be released in September), not a new iPhone. Remember, both revisions of the Nano were announced in September as well. Or more likely,
2) There is absolutely nothing to this rumor at all.

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309939)

Yeah, 2)

Frankly, this shit cracks me up. Of course there is a 2nd Gen in the works. But that people are starting to cream their panties over it before the 1st Gen is even released is ridiculous.

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311985)

If there's anything to this at all, it seems more likely that they are coming out with a 3G model for European markets. Many have said that this is necessary for the phone to be competitive in Europe, where 3G is apparently already the norm, or close to it.

Heck, even in the Philippines, the least developed country in Asia, the two big cellphone companies are battling with each other to see who's the first to widely deploy 3G technology, and one is even trying to leapfrog into 3.5G as their 3G deployment is advancing.

When I travelled to the Philippines in February 2006, I noticed that expensive cellphones were a major status symbol, sort of like cars in the US. So I have no doubt that the iPhone would sell there despite its high price.

For the iPhone, the slightly different case design might just be the same case with a different antenna as required for 3G reception, which I seem to remember is more probematical than EDGE.

Certainly a second generation iPhone already going to manufacturing when we have not even seen the first one would be highly unusual, and unprecedented for a company that already has a product with this kind of buzz.

D

Any reviews yet? (1)

ThirdPrize (938147) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309823)

Do we think any mags/sites have actually got their hands on review models yet? I mean its only a month to go so time to crank up the old hype machine.

Second gen or just different casing? (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309831)

The reports seem to suggest that the phone will be out in Sept. That's 3 months after the iPhone. I doubt it's really a second gen. Most likely it will be a different casing. Kinda like the iPod Shuffle 2G. It was launched in time for Christmas. By February, there was one additional color. Or the iPod nano which didn't have Product Red(tm) model in the beginning and not in a 8GB model.

16/32Gb (-1, Troll)

miscz (888242) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309845)

gigabits?

These kind of news remind me of... (3, Interesting)

Masa (74401) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309863)

Adam Osborne [wikipedia.org] and his statements, which led to the bankruptcy of his company, Osborne Computer Corporation.

I'm not implying that Apple would face similar fate. I'm just wondering, why these kind of news does not damage the company nowadays like in the "good" old days.

Re:These kind of news remind me of... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19310213)

Interesting link...

It could damage the iPhone v1.0 but I hardly doubt it could make a dent in Apple. It's not like people will stop buying Mac desktops, laptops and iPods because iPhone v2.0 is announced...

Re:These kind of news remind me of... (2, Informative)

MBCook (132727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310279)

As great as that story is, you should realize that it is largly a myth. While he did pre-announce, it was the Kaypro company that ate their lunch. See the bit in Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] .

Confirmation (3, Interesting)

geauxtiggers (921631) | more than 7 years ago | (#19309903)

I was in a Cingular store on Friday, talking with the store manager about the iPhone and number portability. He mentioned that a second version of the phone would be out for Christmas of this year. The later version is supposed to be 3G capable. Since Cingular doesn't have the 3G coverage all in place just yet for all cities, I am not too concerned about it. My nephew will get the first gen hand-me-down when the 3G one actually makes it to market.

Re:Confirmation (2, Insightful)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310499)

Yeah, I'm sure Apple trusted some manager at a Cingular retail outlet with that information. He was talking out of his ass.

Re:Confirmation (0)

geauxtiggers (921631) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311487)

Yeah that's why it didn't stop me from going there. He is actually a regional manager over about 100 stores in the Southwest, but if Apple doesn't announce it directly, you have to take it with a grain of salt --a small one. I am not holding my breath for 3G anyway. It'll happen when it happens. I replace phones about once a year anyway, am not interested in using it to download music or movies, and probably won't use half of the functionality. But I WILL buy one. The simple fact that it'll sync with my mac and it's a new toy is enough to make me want one.

YOU FAIL IT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19309983)

rapid, resound as fitt3ing live and a job t2o

For Europe ... already announced to ship Jan 2008 (2, Informative)

gig (78408) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310039)

Apple already announced the iPhone would ship in Europe in January 2008. Seems like these would be the European iPhones.

Re:For Europe ... already announced to ship Jan 20 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19310457)

Yes, because the 18fingered mutants that inhabit Europe need a completely different interface which will take months to design and deploy.

Re:For Europe ... already announced to ship Jan 20 (1)

Jellybob (597204) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310593)

I (and lots of other people) think it's more likely they'll be adding support for 3G networks, which give us Europeans near broadband speeds just about anywhere, unlike wifi which is taking off but only slowly (largely because the phone networks would rather we all spent the money on their networks).

It'll also need multi-lingual support, since we don't all speak English.

Why on the front page? (1)

Guanine (883175) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310067)

I love the iPhone news; in fact, I've watched the keynote more than I care to admit... but speculation about the _next_ generation of the phone before the first has been released is ridiculous. It has no place on the front page--of course the next generation will have more memory, a different feature set, blah blah... but holy crap let's wait until the first generation IS RELEASED before posting articles like this.

Confirmed? (5, Insightful)

Hieronymus Howard (215725) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310221)

"Second-gen iPhone Confirmed?"
How can you use 'confirmed' with a question mark? It's either confirmed or it's a rumour. The word 'confirmed' is not intended to be ambiguous. In this case, it is definitely not confirmed.

Re:Confirmed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19310635)

Yes, not to mention the part where it's to be released in September. 3 months into the launch of iPhone and it's already on the 2nd generation? No F-ing way!

Furthermore, if it's a revision, it won't have a different enclosure (especially not before iPhone's distinctive characteristics are widely known like iPod with its color versions). The most possible explanation is that it's designed for a separate market (like 3G for Europe), but I am not aware of any release planned outside the US before 2007 is over. Though the possibility that Apple looks for a second manufacturer to avoid supply problem makes sense, the rumor of a change of enclosure does not.

Re:Confirmed? (4, Insightful)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310789)

Question marks are often used in news headlines to make a libelous statement look more like a question, to avoid litigation. That's not the case here, but that is the origin.

Re:Confirmed? (1)

HeXetic (627740) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311525)

Precisely! John Stewart had an excellent segment on this a few months ago, citing CNN and FOX headlines that used the ever-loveable question mark to make slanderous statements. ("Al Gore a Serial Rapist?", etc.)

Ooh! (0, Troll)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 7 years ago | (#19310653)

imagine a 16Gb or even 32Gb iPhone


How about a beowulf cluster of them! Oh, and they have 128GB instead of 32GB! Or even 512GB! Or a petabyte!!!!!

Man, my imagination is on fire today.

mo3 up (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19310903)

of the above UseRs. BSD/QOS

Why assume Europe market? Canadian model (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311061)

This is the Canadian model to be distributed by Rogers. Various sources have already suggested that Canada would be getting the iPhone prior to the launch in Europe. Given the close proximity and shared standards with the US, it is more likely that these are bound for Canada. After the device's approval by the FCC, approval by the CRTC would be a mere formality especially with a deal of exclusivity with Canada's largest carrier (Rogers).

Trying to launch the iPhone in Europe would require considerably more legal and regulatory paperwork.

NOT a second-gen iPhone for US (3, Informative)

EverlastingPhelps (568113) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311189)

There is no way that this is a US phone, if it is anything. All phones in the US have to be FCC approved. It is public record, and we would know if a design had been submitted. Everytime Apple changes the iPhone, they will need new approval, and it takes 5-6 months. Apple is not going to kill sales of the current iPhone by submitting a new design to the FCC before the current one even launches.

Maybe it is a Canadian phone, maybe it is a European phone, maybe it is just an iPod. What is isn't is a next-gen US iPhone.

No Feedback? (2, Insightful)

escay (923320) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311365)

How can you design a 2nd generation model when there is zero consumer feedback to base it on?! Apple has always partially relied on consumers' criticism to initiate a design iteration, and justly so. Especially for a market that Apple is newly entering - does the phone capture good signal in different environments, is the price point good, do batteries blow up, is there something blatantly simple that they missed - these only come out after widespread usage (not intra-company circulation). It could be that the first design had flaws that Apple already noticed but are going ahead with it in order to keep the June date - that doesn't undermine the logic of waiting for feedback of customers as well before placing an order with Quanta.

This is most definitely not a II gen iPhone. I would go with this being either a European/3G version or a widescreen iPod, assuming that news is true and not another fake email.

"Next"?! (2, Funny)

Cajun Hell (725246) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311533)

Is the Osbou-- um, I mean -- iPhone one even out yet?

Finally! (3, Funny)

TobyRush (957946) | more than 7 years ago | (#19311949)

It's about time! The picture I have of the first-gen unit has been great, but it has its limitations and the workarounds are cumbersome. I've been looking forward to a picture of a revised unit since the initial iPhone was announced; Apple's second-gen models are always more reliable than the initial ones.

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