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Wii's Longevity, Competition Questioned

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the everyone-makes-a-fuss dept.

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Gamasutra reports that, despite the Wii's breakaway sales success, some analysts are skeptical of the Wii's staying power. Other analysts are, of course, pointing out that many of the 'hardcore' titles are expected later this year. "[They] not[ed] that 31% of Wii owners surveyed in March said they expected to play the Wii more often a year from now, compared to 21% of Xbox 360 owners." At the same time, Nintendo of America's George Harrison is questioning the staying power of Sony and Microsoft. According to Harrison, the two larger companies 'lack the DNA' to move with the industry, and keep with the the demand for casual, more family-friendly titles. "'They're really good at reaching a certain customer, and have a real difficulty understanding how we succeed with the customers that we have,' said the senior vice president of marketing and communications. With the sales of Wii and DS hardware crushing the competition in the US, Harrison is confident that Nintendo could take up to as much as 50 per cent of the market for this latest 'next-gen' cycle."

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Last post! (-1, Redundant)

MagicM (85041) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321043)

So, yeah, let's talk about this. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Talking just for my personal experience... (4, Insightful)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321071)

I reserved and got a Wii on the launch date along with Zelda and Red Steel. I have also bought Monkey Ball, Excite Truck and Wii Play games. Currently, I am waiting for a good RPG... I was looking forward for the Dragon Quest game but so far there is no sign of it. I do not like the "mini games" as I have enough of them with Wii Play/Sports and MonkeyBall... also I do not have lots of people to play with... WHERE IS THE INTERNET PLAY!!! THIS IS 2007...

I got bored of my Wii... I am still waiting for a good game, the problem with consoles like this with so few games is that sometimes it is impossible to get a game you like if your "tastes" are not standard... Also, I do not have the £40 to spend on some wannabe game without testing... how am I suppose to see if I like that game? considering that these days, online reviews are less worthless...

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (4, Insightful)

Lockejaw (955650) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321127)

Also, I do not have the £40 to spend on some wannabe game without testing... how am I suppose to see if I like that game?
Is renting an option for you?

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (2, Interesting)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321149)

I am quite the opposite. I find myself playing the wii so often, every day I get home from work I play , my wife even likes to play with my wii. Well that sounded so sexual.

Quite honestly between wiiplay and wiisports I spend at least an hour a day playing. With Super Mario Paper and Trauma Center it's time for sleep before i even get a chance to watch some TV.

To me I play the wii more often then my 360 , I got bored of the constant fps and sports games constantly being released. They need to get me more into the game like the wii does, in order to get me back on a different system.

Maybe the new GTA will do that , but my guess is I will play it for 5 days and beat it like I did with crackdown and never touch it again , then sell it back to Gamestop or on Ebay.

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (2, Interesting)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321967)

I have had the exact opposite experience.

When I first started playing the Wii, I thought, 'amazing...' Then I started to look for something deeper, more challenging. I didn't find it.

My 360 is the console I expect to be playing far into the future, while the Wii will be relegated to being the console that non-gamers have fun with at parties.

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (0, Flamebait)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322921)

My 360 is the console I expect to be playing far into the future, while the Wii will be relegated to being the console that non-gamers have fun with at parties.

1) Until you get the ring of death.

2) You and many other geeks have a very elitist view of the word "gamer."

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19321197)

It's called gamefly. Or any game rental place for that matter. That's how we yanks roll over here.

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19322937)

Gamefly has so gone downhill, though. Unplayably scratched discs, popular titles completely unavailable for weeks at a time, poor customer service, long turnaround time for exchanging rentals... I'm anxiously awaiting something better. Like widespread FTTP and digital delivery, maybe.

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (4, Interesting)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321319)

Such group games like Wii Sports / Play really should have had internet play. Period. The only reason why I'm still playing Sports after three weeks is because my roommate and I have a rivalry going as far as getting gold medals in the trainings and trying to outdo each other in the fitness tests.

I also picked up Warioware because I always liked the end-game endless modes and how they condition me to recognize what I have to do in a fraction of a second. If you don't like minigames, that's probably torture. ;)

As I recall, no system has ever had a platform-exclusive RPG come out until many months after launch. (and I'm of the tribe where Zelda doesn't count as an RPG.) It's unfortunate that the unexpected success of the Wii has brought with it a whole bunch of shovelware from 3rd parties. Once the growing pains quit I think it'll do fine.

And, yes, same argument could be made about the PS3 right now anyway.

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (4, Insightful)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321697)

Such group games like Wii Sports / Play really should have had internet play. Period. The only reason why I'm still playing Sports after three weeks is because my roommate and I have a rivalry going as far as getting gold medals in the trainings and trying to outdo each other in the fitness tests.


I have to disagree. Why? The fun of Wii Sports/Wii Play is playing with friends/family. I had my hair cut this weekend, and the stylist was complaining about sore arms because she went to a friend's house "and they showed us their Wii and I played Tennis".

Online play might work for gamers, and maybe it would have been a nice addition, but I don't think it as "required". Look at your own example - you're still playing it because you're competing with someone you know. Grandma Pearl and Grandpa Fogie wouldn't care about "Wii Tennis" ladders online - these are people they don't know, but they do care about their war buddy Jim who comes over to play (and yes, I'm being serious - I have some older coworkers who aren't tech guys who were talking about playing Wii Sports and getting competitive about their scores).

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (4, Insightful)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322163)

Online play might work for gamers, and maybe it would have been a nice addition, but I don't think it as "required".

The main problem I see is that, I must arrange a "party", "meeting" or whatever with whatever friends I've got here in the UK (I am originally from Mexico) in the not much *spare* time I've got (doing my PhD) in order to play those games, whereas if they had on-line play I would be able to get into my flat (after a 12 hour office day), log in and have fun playing 1 (or 2) games of Bowling/Tennis/etc... against other players.

Also, my rank in tennis is between 2100 and 2200 (dont remember the exact number now) and I can beat any of my friends very easly... I would really enjoy playing against other people in the world which are equally good.

So, for me, the lack of online playing on the Wii *is* very bad. They should have added online play on the VC games too, that way I would have bought SF2 or some other SNES game just to play with my girlfriend (who is in Mexico now)... as I said in another post, this is 2007 !!?? , the hardware is there, these are NINTENDO games... WTF happened?

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (5, Interesting)

magnusrex1280 (1075361) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322495)

On a side note, the success of the Wii wasn't really unexpected. Everything I read and everyone I've talked to who knew about it prior to the launch said it was going to blow the PS3 and the xbox 360 out of the water, and it has.

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321753)

While more akin to an Action RPG, Super Paper Mario is quite fun. Even so, if what I specifically wanted was good RPGs and online support, I wouldn't go to a console for it. But since J-RPGs tend to bore me and online play has never seemed that fun (even on my computer), it doesn't seem like too big of a deal.

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (1)

Zelos (1050172) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322001)

I've been playing online on my Wii since Friday when Mario Strikers Charged came out, it's a fantastic game. Also, even if you don't rent, it's more like £20 to try a game, as you can trade it back in afterwards.

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (1)

Doctor Crumb (737936) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322021)

It sucks that Europe has not gotten Super Paper Mario yet, as it is an excellent RPG. Internet play is coming very soon with Mario Strikers, after which it sounds like the floodgates are opening.

If your tastes are not "Standard", then I would think that the wii should be right up your alley; the gamer "standard" these days seems to be Halo 3.

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (3, Interesting)

acvh (120205) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322449)

Hmm. One of the things I find refreshing about the Wii is that many of its games do not "taste" standard. Elebits, Paper Mario, Monkey Ball, Sports are all games that, to me at least, tend to be less standard than the crop of FPS and racing games that dominate the other consoles.

As for internet play, I truly do not care. Video games to me are about disconnecting from the "real world", I don't want to be social when I'm playing them.

Re:Talking just for my personal experience... (4, Insightful)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322763)

"the problem with consoles like this with so few games is that sometimes it is impossible to get a game you like if your 'tastes' are not standard"

I understand what you're getting at, but I feel just the opposite. I've been a Nintendo fan ever since my mind was blown as a kid when I played Super Mario Bros, Zelda, and Metroid for the first time. As Nintendo grew as a company and managed to somehow obscure themselves during the N64 and Gamecube era, I started realizing that while Sony and now Microsoft changed to conform to the flavor of the month, I was constantly surprised with the ingenuity and how much many of my favorite Nintendo games strayed from the norm. Looking at my game library...sure, it's full of RPG's (which, believe it or not, are fairly mainstream and have a decently large market over here these days...they're not the black sheep games they were during the NES/SNES era), obscure rhythm games, and just plain old genre breakers such as Katamari and the like on my PSX/PS2. But then I look at my Nintendo consoles and I have equally odd games...games such as Blast Corps, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, Cubivore, Goemon (Mystical Ninja) games, Mischeif Makers, etc. In fact, I'd have to say the ratio of relatively obscure games (or financial flop but terrific game) vs. mainstream games is much higher on my Nintendo consoles than on my Sony systems.

It may be that you prefer the type of non-standard games that the Playstation invites vs. the type of obscure game that Nintendo consoles invite, but to say Nintendo consoles don't cater to non-standard tastes is slightly confusing as their consoles attract some of the most non-standard games I've ever seen.

If I could actually get one.. (5, Insightful)

josquint (193951) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321083)

I'd play ALOT more a year from now, as I figure that's about when i'll finally get my hands on one!

Re:If I could actually get one.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19321505)

I still think this whole Wii thing is a giant hoax. I'll believe it exists when I see one for sale.

Re:If I could actually get one.. (5, Funny)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322123)

I still think this whole Wii thing is a giant hoax. I'll believe it exists when I see one for sale.
Of course it's a hoax. Supposedly, George Harrison is working for Nintendo of America, which is pretty strange for a musician who's been dead for five years.

Aaaahhhh.... but all the Beatles conspiracy theorists will point out that it's Harrison's death that is actually the hoax. Mystical Harrison had uber-1337 prediction skills and foresaw the rise of the Wii in 1967 (he wanted to get John Lennon to change his song lyrics from "You say you want a Revolution" to "You say you want a Wii" because he knew they'd change the name *even then*).

As its launch draw nearer, Harrison needed all his strength and needed to avoid Beatles obsessives, so he faked his own death. Some had suspicions, and the stress was getting to Harrison, so he had plastic surgery, letting him appear in public again. Of course, no-one would expect him to keep the same name, so in a masterful stroke, that's exactly what he did!!!

Meanwhile, Harrison is no longer on speaking terms with John Lennon after he worked on the rival Playstation 3. Paul McCartney is, as we all know, dead (for real), and Ringo Starr has retired on his "Thomas the Tank Engine" royalties.

Alot, the game? (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322655)

I've not heard of a game coming out for the Wii called "ALOT", and I just got my Wii update from Nintendo in e-mail yesterday. I know that Alot [wikipedia.org] is the name of a town in India, but ... OOH! Is this going to be some kind of Indiana Jones type of adventure game with the key being the mystical town of Alot? Now my curiosity is piqued!

I hope to play ALOT a year from now, too. Does anyone know who the developer and publisher are?

[/SARCASM] :P

Re:If I could actually get one.. (1)

Dan Ost (415913) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322905)

I was at Target on Sunday and they had at least 3 Wii's for sale. This is in Memphis, TN. I thought about grabbing one, but decided against it.

Wii isn't going anywhere (3, Insightful)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321085)

Analysts make sweeping unfounded generalizations to get their daily 15 mins. Must be a slow news day for Slashdot.

The Wii is here to stay and dominate. Especially once they start doing some cool DS to Wii integration. It's base is huge, is constantly growing and still a huge demand which outpaces the supply.

I have no interest in one but may be buying one once Animal Crossing 2 comes out (its like crack for my fiancé). Unless Nintendo comes out and says they kick puppies, love Nazis, and wipe their ass with every nations flag in the world they are not likely to drop the ball.

Re:Wii isn't going anywhere (5, Funny)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321105)

"Nintendo comes out and says they kick puppies, love Nazis, and wipe their ass with every nations flag in the world they are not likely to drop the ball. "

Is that a preview of the next Nintendogs game? Sounds like things have gotten much more exciting.

Re:Wii isn't going anywhere (1)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321169)

Hahahahaha

Am I the only one that tried to throw the puppies in Nintendo Dogs? I felt so evil just trying it.

Re:Wii isn't going anywhere (3, Insightful)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321503)

Isn't your non-analyst "The WII is here to stay and dominate" pretty much an unfounded generalization as well? Like "I love the WII"=>"The WII will dominate".

Re:Wii isn't going anywhere (1)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321555)

You are right, I should be getting paid for this crap I spew

At least my generalization has some facts to back it up (sales of Wii, high demand, waiting listing, DS still sky rocketing and there will be DS and Wii integration in the future, more developers jumping on board, etc).

Versus Analyst B who says oh it's doomed and I have nothing to back it up with.

Course Analyst B probably makes more than me so who is really the smart one

Just my opinion.. (1)

rubberbandball (1076739) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321099)

Agreed. PS3's pricerange and lack of game selection at the moment (2 titles released in May -- Pirates of the Shitty Box Office Obligated Release and a Penguin movie that doesn't feature Morgan Freeman as a playable character) and 360's.. whatever. The only disadvantage i see wii at is the staying power of games designed for the system. Sadly a friend and i bought Spiderman 3 (i bought ps3, and he bought the wii version). He completed it in 4 hours, stating that if it was as long as the PS3 version he would probably kill himself from slinging the webs. Button sequence repetition is normal on the other big 2 and can be dealt with (as it has in the past), but such repetition on Wii combined with short games that the populous is apathetic towards spending USD50.00 on is what should be of Nintendo's highest concern if their console is to stay where it is.

I wouldn't know (1)

TomatoMan (93630) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321119)

I've still never even seen one. We're what, six months after launch now? This is the biggest, longest discussion I've ever completely missed out on. I'm not going to sleep outside of stores or get raped on ebay just to join in, either.

Maybe (*maybe*) when Mario finally comes out I'll take another look at store shelves to see if there are any available at that point, but until then, my interest has disappeared.

Re:I wouldn't know (1, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321201)

Bingo. If anything will be the undoing of the Wii it's that. People like you and I who just get frustrated of waiting and buy a different console which is readily available. (or none at all).

And frankly, that we keep having threads about "The wii is dying" kinda makes me think that the others are just scared of the competition so they spread this fud around. The wii is a fine console, both capable of decent graphics and immersive gaming. The only really shitty thing about it [other than the small game library] is that they're impossible to find without entering a waiting list 2 months long.

Tom

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321729)

I found one at the local EBGames this weekend. No waiting list. I just made a point of checking if they had one every time i was in the mall. About once every couple of weeks. I'm not sure if I was just lucky, but I think that in the next couple of months they'll be a lot easier to find. Last I read they sold 7.2 million, compared to 10.2 million for the XBox 360 that was released a year before it. Sales like that mean it will be hard to get. But if you keep looking you will find one. I don't see why someone would go out and buy a console they didn't really want, just because the one they wanted wasn't available. Many people still have their old consoles, and if you don't have a console yet, there's no reason you should just run out and buy something that's not really to your liking.

Re:I wouldn't know (2, Informative)

toddian (997999) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321957)

What I don't understand is that here in Australia, there is no waiting list.

None.

I walked into a store the other day, and asked how long the waiting list was. The reply? About 30 seconds for the credit card to run through.

Reading the comments around here I'm thinking that eBay is looking real good (although I'd need to send a PAL TV with it).

Re:I wouldn't know (4, Insightful)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321219)

I'm not going to sleep outside of stores or get raped on ebay just to join in, either.

I just checked every time I walked through Wal-Mart or Target (once or twice a week) and after a couple of trips I picked one up. There were 3 or 4 in the case. I haven't looked as much since then, but I think anyone who takes the trouble to just look around a bit ought to be able to get one. Then again, maybe I just got really, really lucky.

In any case, I am not super-impressed with the titles so far. The Wii Sports game is a lot of fun (tried it out on my non-video gaming parents last weekend, they were hooked) and Super Paper Mario is also a lot of fun. But I'm still not extremely psyched about the titles coming out. (For comparison, I own a 360 as well and my favorite game so far is Call of Duty 2 and I have the legendary edition of Halo 3 (yes - the $125 one) on reserve).

I will say that there's one point to consider: Nintendo is in a much better position to come out with a new system before MS or Sony can. I think we're talking what 5 years? 7? until we see Xbox 720 and PS4. I would be shocked if Nintendo doesn't come out with their own hi-def capable system in 3 or 4.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321291)

"I would be shocked if Nintendo doesn't come out with their own hi-def capable system in 3 or 4."

I agree. Throw in 720p, DVD player, Ethernet port, tweak the controllers and you will have a killer system. Not to mention I bet in 3 to 4 years it will be the same price as the Wii (or lower) while the other systems are a lot more then they are now.

I have a 360, love it, but the $400 price point is the max I will go for a game console.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321523)

Why do you need an ethernet port when it has wireless built in? You can get a wireless access point these days for like 20 bucks, maybe even less if you are okay with 802.11b. An Ethernet port just takes up valuable real estate.

I could see a DVD player if they could fit it in while keeping the form factor as small as it is. I love that the Wii is so small and unobtrusive...I don't know if I'd like it nearly as much if it were as big and bulky as my XBox.

For HD, I think you're right that they'll probably be forced into it sooner or later. It's getting to the point where stores are carrying fewer SD TVs, and the HD TVs are getting much lower in price. Hell, I might even buy one myself in one or two years.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321667)

"Why do you need an ethernet port when it has wireless built in? "

Because some places WiFi refuses to work. I have several friends (all over the country) for whatever reason wifi does not work in their homes, apartments, etc. So to use the Wii internet they had to buy the add on to do so.

I also have friends who won't want/use wireless.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321851)

Well, I think the ok solution then is to have them buy the ethernet thingy. I don't think forcing everyone for whom wifi works (probably the vast vast majority) to pay for a useless ethernet port would be a smart move.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322173)

I disagree with the whole dvd player thing. Dvd players are $20 a pop these days, and come on everything short of your microwave and coffee maker. Back in 2001, it would have been nice, but what doesn't have them now?

It's sort of like a camera on a phone - Even if you did have one, you wouldn't use one unless it was an extreme condition because it's a piece of shit and not what the company/product does best. No, save me the $20 shitty dvd player and cut the cost or increase the quality of the product.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321397)

I predict they'll do the same thing they did with the DS and GBA, come out with a hi-def capable Wii with DVD playback in a year or two, drop the price of the current Wii dramatically and place the new one at the previous price point. Consumers will eat it up because they get a still-inexpensive system with increased functionality. Nintendo wins because they can put out the same console two or three times with very good, but quite easy, upgrades.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321453)

I think that's possible as well, but I'm wondering if they will be tempted to leap frog the PS3 and 360. That should be possible fairly easily (for cheap) in 3 or 4 years. They have chosen to go for casual first, but I think they will be tempted to pick up more hard-core cred if they can on the cheap.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

DaveWick79 (939388) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322849)

It's not like MS and Sony are going to be sitting on their heels for the next 3 years either. Although unless they start making money on their product I can sure see the next release being the last for one of those two.

By the time Nintendo leapfrogs the PS3 and Xbox360, the PS4 and 720 will have leapfrogged the Nintendo box again, at least if Nintendo intends to keep the price at Wii levels.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321449)

I got a Wii because my wife called the Gamestop down the street and they told her when their next shipment would be coming in, so she went there and waited an hour for the UPS truck.

Personally, I loved Super Paper Mario. Wii Sports is okay, but does get a little old after a while. I do still pick it up occasionally to play tennis though. Once you figure out how to hit home runs consistently, Baseball is really boring though. We'll be picking up Mario Party 8 today, so we'll see how we like that.

To us, the parts that have gotten the most play are the Virtual Console and the Gamecube. I really like how the wireless Internet is set up, it's easy to use, and works even with my locked down access point. My wife has loved playing Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World again.

Since we didn't have a GameCube before, the GC interface has proven to be a really big deal for us. It's nice to be able to go out and buy games for $20 or less that the kids enjoy. The only bad thing is I can't seem to find a wireless GC controller that's worth a shit. I have one from Pelican and one from MadCatz, and they both have issues.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

ShaggyIan (1065010) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321593)

We were in the same boat, having never owned a GC before. When the Wii games weren't terribly exiting we started playing Pikmin and such and loving it.

We purchased two official Nintendo Wavebirds. They are more pricey, but we don't have a single complaint about them.

Of course, your milage may vary.

(we're picking up Mario Party today as well, the Mrs. LOVES Mario Party since the N64)

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321817)

As far as wireless controllers, you may have to bite the bullet and get a Wavebird off ebay. Nintendo needs to start up the production lines of those again, they're getting pricey and really hard to find...

Re:I wouldn't know (2)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321803)

Ummm dude? I was just out yesturday browsing game stores (for an entirely different reason, I've had a Wii since launch and it's great) and every store had Wii's on the shelf. Even GameDaze, GAMEDAZE, the people who were selling pre-order Wiimotes because they had sold out their stock before the launch had Wiis on the shelf.

If you're unwilling to even look at a couple of stores (I hit 6 in my quest to help a friend get a certain old XBox game, Circuit City had them, Best Buy had them, Gamedaze had them, I think Target might have even had them) then I feel no sympathy for the fact you don't have one. Supply issues ended a long time ago over here, not sure about where you live but it seems obvious from your post you're trying to garner sympathy and discredit the Wii because you're too lazy to check the shelves every once in a while. Don't expect me to feel sorry for you, I'm willing to bet there are numerous consoles within a couple miles of you, wherever you live.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321959)

You'd lose that bet.

Of course, within a couple miles of me there's one Walmart. The closest Target is 100 miles away, as is the closest Best Buy, Circuit City, and EBGames/Gamestop.

But, I'm not whining about it -- I'll pick up a Wii and PS3 eventually, but I'm in no hurry to. I don't even have a 360 yet since the only place nearby (the Walmart) can only keep the "core" version on the shelves. None of the consoles are worth driving around trying to find one.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322707)

If they're in stock for your area, it's highly unusual by most accounts. With the exception of bundles no online vendor has had them in stock for any length of time since launch and plenty of cities have no local stock. Friends both local and remote reported taking weeks to find them, even polling local vendors daily. Often when stock did come in it was already sold by the time they got to the store.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322461)

Same here. I'm not even going to get up super early on the day the shipment comes and wait outside.

They're still hard to find in Austin, and that's with calling every electronics store, toy store, target, walmart, and costco in town. Most don't know or won't tell you when shipments arrive, probably because they don't want even more people waiting outside their doors.

I have just ordered my wii, when I used a wii tracker to find online deals. WalMart has a bundle that comes with an extra wiimote, and accessory of your choice (I picked nunchuck) and three games of your choice. This makes it oodles better than all the bundles that come with pre-selected games that always includes at least one game I'd never buy. If you were planning on buying at least 3 games and an extra controller along with your wii, then outside of the shipping it's a pretty good deal.

Re:I wouldn't know (1)

Lord_Ultimate (1049752) | more than 7 years ago | (#19323073)

Try the Target at
6405 S Interstate Highway 35

No guarantees, but http://www.itrackr.com/ [itrackr.com] helped me get my Wii back in February.

I don't play my Wii everyday, but it's still good for ~10 hours per week. In the long run, that's a good thing. My Wii time was seriously cutting into my g/f time, although in retrospect I may have made made the wrong choice.

No News here move along (2, Insightful)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321175)

There is no news here, analysts have long bashed the Wii because its graphics aren't that great and for the moment their aren't any games. They do have a point after two or three years the Wii is going to be seriously outdated (graphically) while there could be some really great games over the next year or two. But I get the feeling that Nintendo will release an updated Wii (Wii Advanced? Wii Advanced SP?) to compensate. Kudo's to Nintendo for selling so many units but just how long is your product aimed to last? I know a PS3 will still be around in ten years (aparently.)

The comments that Sony and Microsoft don't get the casual gamer market are laughable, Sixaxis was an attempt to steal the WiiMotes thunder. Buzz, Singstar, Guitar Hero and Eye Toy are all products on the PS2 for the casual gamer and they sell really well. What Sony/Microsoft lack are mini games, to think they won't see that they need is to expand their casual game base of course they don't know that (*cough* XboX360 has Guitar Hero *cough* Singstar downloads for PS3 *cough.)

Re:No News here move along (4, Funny)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321231)

Graphics will become outdated? Or you mean the other haters will overhype their 500W GPUs to shadow their other shortcomings? I dunno, I guess I must be the ONLY person who still plays retro games from the 80s and 90s.

Only non-innovators push their GPU strength as the main selling point. Let me guess, the PS4 will consume twice the energy, require it's own air conditioning unit, and be able to render 2600x1400 images at 200fps? OMG CRAZIES!

Tom

Re:No News here move along (2, Insightful)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321589)

Ready for this...
People's expectations increase, games are advertised on TV and some of them are looking extremely good. PS3 and Xbox360 have the potential to offer photorealistic looking games. If you think it won't matter why is there a Gameboy Advanced or Gameboy Advanced SP? Why is there DS? While the DS gives an interesting input, the advanced releases were merely updated forms of the Gameboy Colour in different packaging.

What I think will happen over the next three or four years the PS3/Xbox360 price will drop, as the gap between the Wii, PS3 and Xbox360 decreases the reason for a Wii decrease and the differences will as well. To believe that MS and PS3 won't heavily invest in more casual games (considering the trouncing their getting) is pointless. Once those consoles have better casual gamer expearence you start taking away its advantages, the biggest disadvantage will be its graphics.

An ancedote, The PSP has always been far more expensive when compared to the DS, in the recent bank holiday the place I work we had a PSP (+game) for £129.99 and a DS (+game) for £99.99 we sold five or six PSP's but no DS's. I think the Wii will feel the same effect is Sony and Microsoft can start competing with it on price.

As I said previously Kudo's to Nintendo for selling so many units

Re:No News here move along (2, Interesting)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322873)

Point 1: Casual Games

Microsoft and Sony showed lip service to casual games prior to launch. Assuming they started development of oodles of casual games 3 months post-Wii, we're still a good year or two away from seeing the fruits of that labor.

The people whom these games are aimed at already know "Wii". These are the same people who, given a management position in charge of a database, will stick to the same obsolete technology because that's what they're familiar with. They aren't going to be dropping their Wiimotes for PS3 or Xbox controllers (even if they can tell you what an xbox is). There isn't mental room for more than one system at a time for many of these people, and right now they and everyone they know have "Wii" sitting there.

To summarize this point, there aren't any games my uncle or aunt would want to play on a 360 or PS3, but my uncle did bruise his finger sinking a ball in WiiPlay because he exuberantly thrust his hand upwards into the ceiling fan.

Point 2: Price

Living in the US, I'm not well aware of the typical prices of the DS or PSP. Nor am I good at understanding the UK mindset or how much of a difference £30 makes (isn't that about $50?). I will agree that at analogous prices all systems and consoles stand on merit (and marketing).

The question: How long will it take the 360 and the PS3 to "marginalize" the price difference? Sony would have to slash its prices by almost half to reach parity with the Wii. Given their reluctance to slash prices at all, and the typical industry rate for price cuts, and we may see "never" as a possibility for PS3 prices matching the Wii. The 360 Core was close to the Wii, but has supposedly been cancelled in favor of Microsoft's online download strategy. Neither of these companies are positioning themselves to close the price gap.

It will probably happen someday, but the question is whether that day will come soon enough to effectively "beat" the Wii.

Re:No News here move along (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322939)

Anecdotes are nice. Hard numbers are nicer. North American sales of the PSP dropped from 183k to 181k the month after they dropped the price, while Nintendo DS sales remained steady at 471k. In Japan the situation is even worse for Sony, with the DS consistently outselling the PSP more than five to one.

Re:No News here move along (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321613)

Actually, I'd think in about 3-4 years the graphics of the new games will look rather pale in comparison to other offerings. Not that there's anything wrong with retro games (I play them myself), people tend to look for the next new thing.

I don't think it'd be too much of a longshot to expect an updated Wii when chips that push 1080 lines become low power and low cost rather than bleeding edge and 3-4 years sounds about right for that.

Re:No News here move along (1)

Tridus (79566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321239)

Microsoft doesn't get the casual gamer.

Sony does better, on the PS2. The PS3 is way too expensive to even be considered as something a casual gamer might buy.

Re:No News here move along (2, Interesting)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321357)

But what do Buzz, Singstar, Guitar Hero and Eye Toy have in common? They all have a gimic that requires accessories, most casual gamers wont buy them specifically for that reason. Casual gamers tend to pick up games that are less expensive and have cool covers. Thats where nintendo has the edge, their "gimic" is built in, nothing else to buy, no added expense for addons and no real learning curve.

Re:No News here move along (1)

springbox (853816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321575)

Maybe they could call it the Wii Too.

Re:No News here move along (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19321577)

"They do have a point after two or three years the Wii is going to be seriously outdated (graphically)..."

Yeah, but early PS2 games looked like shit compared the Dreamcast, late PS2 games looked weak compared to the Xbox or Cube, and PS2 games were always blown away by the PC. The DS has laughable graphics compared to a PSP. The Wii and PS2 look seriously outdated right now compared to the 360 or PS3 yet are still selling very well. Graphics mean very little as far as popularity is concerned.

Re:No News here move along (1)

psusuperman (1109179) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321691)

"Thats where nintendo has the edge, their "gimic" is built in, nothing else to buy, no added expense for addons and no real learning curve." Yeah, it's not like there are other controllers you have to buy to play certain games or anything like that. Man, it would suck if we had to buy like, nunchucks, or something...

Re:No News here move along (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 7 years ago | (#19323005)

It would suck if it didn't, like, come with the nunchuck.

Re:No News here move along (1)

Quila (201335) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321757)

A large portion of current Wii games, including Zelda, are basically Game Cube ports with reworked controls. Expect graphics on Wii games to get better.

Re:No News here move along (3, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321831)

I think you are missing it.
The Wii's graphics are currently good enough. They will be good enough for a good number of years.
The Wii's strengths are that it is fun and it is cheap. I have a feeling Mario Party is going to be at the top of the sales charts. I have my Wii hooked up to my HDTV and guess what? The graphics are just fine for me.
I still have a sneaking feeling that there will be a WiiSP or a super by 2010 or 2011. It will play all the Wii and GC Games and support HD graphics. It will cost about $250 an probably have more CPU and GPU power than the 360 or PS3. Sure Microsoft and Sony will be working on their next gen by then but just like the Gameboy the Wii will just keep selling and selling because it is the right solution at the right price. I think Nintendo wants to keep the price of a console around $200. To do that it shorten the cycle but keep compatibility.

Re:No News here move along (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322841)

I know this is Slashdot, but you may want to read the summary. It is questioning Sony and MS and saying that more people will be playing the Wii in the future since the more hardcore games have yet to come out.

Yeah, if you only read the title, maybe you would come to the conclusion...but titles on here are and have been horrible.

parallel phrasing != interesting news (3, Insightful)

justinbach (1002761) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321181)

So...on the one hand, we have a couple of analysts vying for first prize in the unorthodox-opinion contest, because, well, because it's their job to sensationalize things so people talk about their opinions, and on the other, we have the head of one major gaming company that has taken an brilliantly unorthodox strategy (and done very well by it) questioning his competitors' ability to continue to succeed in the market.

C'mon, guys, all that we accomplish by publishing non-news like this is giving both parties exactly what they're looking for in free publicity. Adding together two non-stories doesn't create a story unless there's some really interesting counterpoint, and here all we have is a parallel phrase structure in "questions staying power".

I'm not trying to flame here or anything, I'm just saying that I think we could at least do a little better than this. Analysts and senior figures are always going to try and get themselves into headlines by saying controversial things; is it to much to ask that we don't actively facilitate this behavior?

Analysts are fortune tellers (5, Insightful)

Tridus (79566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321213)

Are these the same analysts who predicted that Nintendo would be a distant third this cycle?

Funny how you don't see them making a statement of "Oops, sorry we had no clue what the hell we were talking about."

These analysts are as good at predicting the future as any random person off the street, they just get paid a lot more.

Re:Analysts are fortune tellers (1)

w3stfa11 (1093355) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321741)

Sorry, we have no clue what the hell we are talking about. -Videogame Analyst

Re:Analysts are fortune tellers (1)

CommaToes (794183) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321871)

http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1332&aid=-1 [slashdot.org]

Don't blame the analysts. Slashdot didn't have much confidence in Nintendo either.

Re:Analysts are fortune tellers (1)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321975)

I like how the *least* selected option in that poll is how reality is actually turning out.

Re:Analysts are fortune tellers (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322851)

No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame. [slashdot.org]

The problem with asking Slashdotters about this is that the vast majority (at least 79% according to that poll) are the hardcare gamers that everybody (including/especially Nintendo) acknowledges Sony and Microsoft as gearing their products toward. Even today, there are more than a few modded-up posts in this discussion thread about people who continue to discount the Wii for its graphics and its "mini games," in spite of the fact that the Wii continues to sell as well as, if not better than, it did during its launch.

You'd likely have better luck getting Slashdotters to discuss the popularity of Windows without cynicism. You can't expect accurate predictions about the mainstream from the people that are furthest from it.

Re:Analysts are fortune tellers (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321963)

Random people off the street are _more_ accurate, because they're not getting bribed to spread propaganda in the first place.

Re:Analysts are fortune tellers (1)

malsdavis (542216) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322161)

"These analysts are as good at predicting the future as any random person off the street, they just get paid a lot more."

That's quite an ironic statement really considering that the predictions are based on polls, so the predictions are in fact the (collective) ones of "random people off the street".

The problem imho is that - with the exception of a small subset of people - most don't realistically know whether they will actually be playing x system in a year's time, There are also many possible ulterior reasons for given responses (e.g. if you have just brought a system or that system was extremely expensive, you are unlikely to want to believe, and therefore respond, that you won't be getting value from it in a year's time).

Analysts always forget one thing with systems (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321225)

Nintendo makes money, Microsoft and Sony hemorrhage it till they can get enough systems in enough hands to turn a profit on licensing for software... At this point neither company is even close to that goal while Nintendo is still seeing a huge demand for a system that makes a profit on every sale. Couple with the DS and Nintendo has a huge warchest.

If Sony and Microsoft cant pull larger profits, they will be gone, no matter HOW good the system is. No matter what they want to say about the Wii's staying power, its already done what Nintendo set out to do, made a huge profit for them.

Re:Analysts always forget one thing with systems (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321759)

What you're forgetting is Microsoft and Sony have many other divisions that (can) pull major profits. Especially Microsoft with Windows and the Office lines. They could give away 360s and not hurt the bottom line too much.

Nintendo's warchest is peanuts compared to Sony and MS. That's what allows Sony and MS to hemorrhage at the seams; their game division is but one of many. They won't leave this game simply because that one division isn't turning a profit this quarter or year. Nintendo lives or dies by its games division since that's all it has.

Incidentally, this pretty much dictates that Nintendo has to be more conservative economically with their offerings. MS and Sony can, instead, gamble, be a bit more aggressive and hope it pays off in 3-4 years rather than next quarter.

Re:Analysts always forget one thing with systems (3, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322097)

What you're forgetting is Microsoft and Sony have many other divisions that (can) pull major profits. Especially Microsoft with Windows and the Office lines. They could give away 360s and not hurt the bottom line too much.
Thats a falicy. For one thing it STILL is red ink when you get your stockholders report. Stockholders are going to see it and say "why are you funneling that much money into something not turning a profit" Ultimately if the trend continues, they would have made more profit NOT being in the gaming business with a system than being in it, which stockholders dont like to see.

Nintendo's warchest is peanuts compared to Sony and MS. That's what allows Sony and MS to hemorrhage at the seams; their game division is but one of many. They won't leave this game simply because that one division isn't turning a profit this quarter or year. Nintendo lives or dies by its games division since that's all it has.
But its bad business for Microsoft and Sony to go into their warchest BECAUSE of the fact that they are a company with multiple lines. Stockholders will want answers when their profits are being spent on futile endeavorers, your continuing to miss that point. A Company pulling money out of its coffer to support a failing or faltering division is a one way ticket to its value being lowered, and its masters being out on their ass. Nintendo has a out on this fact because they only have ONE division. They dont have to manage multiple divisions, and they dont have to justify keeping a division open thats tanking. Microsoft and Sony can and have. Apple when they where retaken over by Jobs lost a huge number of their divisions for exactly this fact, because their profits where being spent supporting their losses. Oh and to put it in perspective, while Microsoft and Sony both are huge companies, their gaming divisions are roughly much smaller than Nintendo.

Re:Analysts always forget one thing with systems (0)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322711)

I think you are pretty naieve if you don't think that Sony and MS profit off their games division.

Re:Analysts always forget one thing with systems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19322803)

Actually, we know that they aren't. You just need to check their annual statements. Microsoft's entertainment division (which yes, also includes their WebTV ventures and the Zune), has been routinely losing a billion dollars a year. Their best outing has been a loss of around 800 million.

Sony's Computer Entertainment division has posted healthy profits in the past, but they just announced a couple of weeks ago that they lost about two billion dollars last year.

Re:Analysts always forget one thing with systems (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322881)

They dont, this is a well known fact.

It took 3 years for Sony to turn a profit on the uberselling PS2, Microsoft only turned a profit on its Xbox division AFTER the 360 was released, which was pretty much voided by the fact that the 360 development cost a ton of cash.

Nintendo profits from both its systems, and its first party games. The profit margin of Nintendo's products alone is bigger than Microsoft's entire 360 division budget. Sony's only profitable endeavors right now are movies and electronics, with the gaming division "bleeding money at a alarming rate."

Re:Analysts always forget one thing with systems (1)

SethraLavode (910814) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322977)

Nintendo's war chest, as of a year or so ago, was around nine billion dollars. That has most likely been padded by their recent market successes.

I'll grant you that Microsoft's war chest is pretty sizeable -- Last I read, it was around 25 to 30 billion dollars. Sony, however, is a different story. Sony has not been in good shape and is sitting on top of around twelve billion in debt. They don't have a warchest to speak of, since they are taking on more debt as part of their restructuring. They are hemmoraging money to push the PS3 because that's part of their recovery strategy and because that's all they feel that they can do.

Funny thing about that is (1)

TheSciBoy (1050166) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322877)

Since Micro$osft and $ony both make their dough on licensing, they have a huge incentive to have games made. They push and push and push to get the games made. They even pay for development of some of the really good titles to get them going.

Whereas Nintendo is already making dough. Their incentive on making games is much lower and they tend to spend most of their time thinking up worthless doodads to pimp your Wii box with. I have a Wii and Zelda was a fantastic game, which I played through in a week. But since then I basically haven't played more than an hour or two. The titles for Wii just aren't exciting at all. Begin Rant: I mean, Excite Truck? I don't think so. Super Monkey Ball makes me seasick (and anyone watching anyone else play as well). Raving Rabbids was a lot of fun. While it lasted. Played through that in 2 days.

I am still waiting for a golf game that works. The reviews (and screenshots) of PGA '07 was less than stellar.

I'm sure you could make the same arguments for PS3 and XBox 360 when they came out, that there were few games, but the quality of PS2-games (God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Kingdom of Hearts aso), for example, more than makes up for that and Oblivion for 360 would have been killer (I already played through it twice on the PC). Maybe you notice that I'm a fan of RPG and that I'm not a fan of FPS on consoles (where is my mouse!?). So where are the RPG's for Wii. There is a serious hole in the lineup here. End Rant

The main problem, and advantage, of the Wii is the controllers. After the initial excitement dies down, you realize that games made specifically for the Wii are going to be fewer than the games made for PC/XBox 360/PS2/PS3/Game Cube because of the controllers. I'm not going to count games that only use the controller's sensors as glorified buttons (80% of Zelda's control scheme was the same as the Game Cube, except instead of pushing B-button to slash, you shook the nunchuck, the only Wii specific control was pointing the controller at the screen to aim, which I liked a lot). The feeling so far for me is that the controller is not sensitive enough for gyroscopic control (as in Rabbids when you fly) and it is hard to tilt the controller forward (the wrist just doesn't bend that way) and that we're just going to see an endless stream of games ported from other consoles with some adapted Wii controls, except for the games that Nintendo themselves make or have made.

Longevity from a different crowd (5, Insightful)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321273)

I am bored with my Wii at the moment but my wife and daughters who never play anything beyond popcap games on the web are still playing it regularly. I dont have many games and do play it alot when I get a new one, but they dont seem to have the staying power with me that they do on the rest of the family. Nintendo really has managed to capture an untapped market and because of that I think you can toss probabilities and gamer opinion out the window, its not a gamers console, its a non-gamers console. That may change as more high profile titles are released, but so far my wife and my parents (who picked up their own after their last visit) would be happy if nintendo just kept cranking out minigames. My mother mentioned that what her Wii really needed was a trivia game and some board games. There are so many of the non-gamer genre's out there that are untouched and dont have to rely on gimics. Imagine "Pictionary" where you could sketch the "clue" on the screen with the remote, the secret word could be given quietly via the remote speaker. Maybe Wheel of Fortune where you can zap away the letters to select them, chess where you can just point to the piece you want to move, Jeopardy using the remote as the buzzer, the possibilites are endless.

Regardless of the AAA "hardcore" titles that come out later, the Wii has all the possibiilty of being the casual gamers ultimate game center.

Re:Longevity from a different crowd (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321591)

N'Gai Croal made an interesting question based on sales of Brain Age and Big Brain Academy.

Brain Age sales are still pretty high, and has sustainability - people play it for a loooong time (my wife still pulls it out from time to time now to play Soduku). But for one game, it has sales that just keep on going.

Kind of reminds me of your family and mine. My children (ages 8, 5 and 2) discovered Mario 64 when I picked it upon a whim, and they want to play it nearly every day. For Nintendo, then, making a profit is just finding that one game that keeps "casual" gamers coming back, maybe buying a sequel (like "Brain Age 2" which coming soon to the states), then waiting. The margins for these games are very low (I think the original "Brain Age" was designed, built and produced in 90 days), and rather than making 10 different games one for every month, Nintendo can focus on a few games and derivitives to build the brand.

I keep running into people who either "just got one" or still play theirs every day, and they're not gamer types. Personally, I expect another explosion when Wii Health comes out, and the female market goes "Hey - exercise item with tracking so I can chart my progress!".

Re:Longevity from a different crowd (1)

kabocox (199019) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322151)

I dont have many games and do play it alot when I get a new one, but they dont seem to have the staying power with me that they do on the rest of the family. Nintendo really has managed to capture an untapped market and because of that I think you can toss probabilities and gamer opinion out the window, its not a gamers console, its a non-gamers console.

One of these days, I'm going to have to get one of those things. We've got a PS2 and a N64. My kids spend more time on the N64 playing the two versions of Legend of Zelda on that console than they do playing all our kids' games for the PS2. (That includes various Sponge Bob games, some horse sim, PenGel, and that game with the ball that you roll around to pickup stuff.) The thing is that kids and my wife don't care about the lastest greatest graphics. They only care if the game is fun. (O.k. we can ah over all the graphics of the FF games that I play, but we have just as much fun with Dragon Quest and Radiata Stories graphics as we do with FF's graphics.) Fun and game play is where it's at. If you "need" the lastest and greatest to be happy, you never will be for long. One of these days my kids are going to get burnt out on those two versions of Zelda. That's most likely when I'll seriously consider getting a Wii until then why bother?

Don't underestimate "casual" gamers... (5, Insightful)

chad.koehler (859648) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321315)

I guess I could be considered a "hardcore" gamer... Been playing games since the early 80's and never really stopped. It's nothing to log close to 100 hours in a good RPG.
That in mind, I wanted a Wii from when I first saw it, looked to be a very fun system that would give a chance to be more "social".
I would casually look for one from time to time - then last month, one showed up at my local Walmart (very small store, not one of the new big ones), and I picked it up along with Zelda TP.
Immediately, I began to see the way the console changed the way people around me thought of video games... My wife is absolutely hooked on Wii sports, and the neighbors come by at least a couple nights a week for some tennis or bowling. Most interesting however, was the interest of my parents. Both nearly 60, they never liked video games in the past. Could never even get them to try one out. The Wii was different. They watched my wife and I play a game of tennis, and wanted to try for themselves. Now, every time they stop by there will be quite a few games of bowling played.

You shouldn't underestimate the attention span of the casual gamer, look how long SOL.EXE has been around.

The DS is still here.. (1)

CockroachMan (1104387) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321351)

It's been 2 years and the DS is still on top..

as long as the Wii keep getting good games, it won't fade out.

Re:The DS is still here.. (1)

aadvancedGIR (959466) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322325)

And, except in the USA where the 360 has solid sales, the only non-N console that sells well (the PSP) is based on a 10 year old system. Add to that the fact that PS2 sells more units than the PS3 in many countries and you may wonder if the PS3 will ever be sold in 5 years from now.

Not? Not. (1)

remmelt (837671) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321379)

"[They] not[ed] that 31% of Wii owners surveyed"

not?

What could the actual unredacted quote have been, in context?

Re:Not? Not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19321835)

noting

Absurdity (2, Insightful)

EMeta (860558) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321447)

The true absurdity of the analysts' positions is the very idea of percentage of market share. News Flash: some gamers will have more than one console. In the Super Nintendo, PS1, and even PS2 era, it made a certain amount of sense to only have one console. Gamers were younger, less affluent, and while there were certainly differences between the options available, said difference wasn't that much.

In this age, however, things are different. Want to play with your friends in one spot? You want a Wii. Want to play with friends across the country? Get an XBox360. Want, um, well, uh, a huge selection of very good titles? Get a PS2. Want to [hmm, I'm trying here!] almost successfully buy your estranged step children's love? Get them a PS3.

My point being that there is certainly room for more than one console--yes, maybe even three as sad as that would be for those of us who aren't quite as affluent. This is a different ballgame from the 90's. Stop the bickering & just enjoy the games.

Re:Absurdity (2, Interesting)

dopplex (242543) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322033)

The % of market share is actually quite relevant. It isn't about whether or not someone has multiple consoles - I suppose that's vaguely interesting, but it's not particularly relevant to the purpose of this sort of market share.

Market share indicates the relative market sizes that can potentially be hit by a release on a given platform. Higher market share = more consoles in the hands of consumers = more consumers who can potentially buy your game.

A more complex analysis can be done, certainly - but it should be obvious that the maximum sales potential a game has is limited by the sales of its platform. And that's where the market share comes in.

If you're going to be publishing a game that costs $20 million to make, you need to get a return on that investment that exceeds the cost of raising that money in the first place. Now it isn't as simple as just releasing to the platform with the largest market - but those market sizes (and by proxy, market shares) are the starting point for figuring out this puzzle.

In other words - yes, market share is very important.

Sony lack the ability to provide casual games? (1)

iapetus (24050) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321451)

That must be why titles like Buzz and Singstar topped the charts over here, then.

No, wait...

ohh please nintendo .... (0, Flamebait)

Sundawn (762701) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321465)

... its not like you always made mainstream appealing consoles that would entertain all family members up to granpa and granma ... anyone with a screen bigger than 40" loves his 360 or ps3 for its graphics and the fun games ... i like 3rd person action, i like 1st person action, i like sports games, i like rpgs ... hell and how i dislike minigames ... just because someone "reinvents" how controllers work in a fun way ... imho shotlived party-gimmick-kind-of-fun ... (yeah we had that virtual stuff already in the 90s with gloves you know) ... doesnt mean he will break how technological evolution works ... thats just not the way it works ... in fact ... maxing out capabilities in a few years on 360 and ps3 will produce photo realistic games ... and they might just add a controller that uses real 3d positioning and not just cheap accellerometers who knows ... and customers might just ask themselves ... hell i spent 250 bucks on that crap lastgen machine and have to spend another 250 for another crap machine when wii is released while current-next-gen would have been 400 (well probably forget about the crazy 600bucks sony thingie ;) ) and still competing or most probably beating wii (since nintendo does not loose money on hardware and sells cheap crap that cant even run a decent AI in shooters or strategy games because its lacking the processing power) ...... and for all you wii lovers out there ... i have a wii, 360, nes, snes, n64, xbox, ps2, ps1, dc, genesis etc etc etc ... by checking my consoles im a friggin nintendo fanboy

Okay, let's say staying power is half (1)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321535)

And that the Wii peters out in four years. A new console will be introduced with HD capability etc. So, you use your 250 buck console for four years and get a new one. By contrast, will the 360 and PS3 be relevant in 8 years? How about 6? In terms of bang for the buck, even if the Wii doesn't last as long as the other two, it is still a better buy. It costs much less so in the end, it doesn't have to have the staying power anyway.

The real question is how much fun do you have with it? The games are coming, especially with the growing installled base.

Re:Okay, let's say staying power is half (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322783)

I got my premium 360 for $300 (MicroCenter's had this deal going on for ages), and with the Wii's controllers (+nunchuck) being more expensive than the 360's, I can't say the Wii "costs much less." In fact it *barely* costs any less.

Wii is good fun (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321617)

I have a Wii, and I like it, but I don't play it nearly enough - mostly due to my internet addiction I guess, rather than watching TV instead as I never do that either.

I find that once I've bothered to turn the Wii on and play something, I can play for quite a while, casual bowling, tennis, etc. I sometimes browse YouTube with it to watch the videos on the TV from my sofa, which is fine regardless of the YouTube video quality. I need to dedicate a few hours a week to the Wii really, finish Zelda, ...

I have longer term aims to buy virtual console games and play them.

I want a Wii Kart type game. Maybe if Excite Truck drops in price a bit more ....

Oh, and Resident Evil 4 will be out on the Wii soon, that will be fun.

My parents played Wii Sports the other day. They loved it, and it's probably the first time they've ever tried playing a video game. It brings to mind the old folks homes and centres with Wiis that have bowling leagues based upon a video game.

And on top of it all, Nintendo are making money on everything Wii related. Even if the Wii was dead in 2 years time and topped out at 20 million consoles sold, they'd have made so much money on it in the meantime to equal the profit on the 360 or PS3 over its lifetime.

I'd have liked a 720P option for the web browser and other non-game interfaces. Maybe if they release a Wii+ in the future ... on the other hand I don't have a HDTV, so what do I care?!

Re:Wii is good fun (1)

Zelos (1050172) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321911)

IMHO, Excite Truck is a very good game, much better than the reviews indicated. I've probably played it for 20+ hours and really enjoyed it.

Re:Wii is good fun (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#19323079)

I'll second that. Excite Truck reminded me of Jet Moto 2, except with trucks and a cool controller.

We still have to wait for the 3rd parties (3, Insightful)

LordZardoz (155141) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321625)

There are alot of gamers who bought the Wii, cracked out on Zelda and Wii Sports, and are now waiting for other games worth playing to show up. The publishers, meanwhile, are trying to figure out who exactly is buying these Wii's.

Nintendo has set its self up to be able to ration out what it considers strong releases, but has history has proven, what it considers to be strong is often not what traditional gamers will go for (Warioware, Mario Strikers Charged). And of course, its monster hits have not materialized yet (Metroid, Mario Galaxies, Smash Brothers Brawl).

On the flip side of it, the 3rd parties are rushing to step up. But they did so a bit too late, so we are getting alot of ports of PS2 and Xbox games. The 3rd parties are going to try their hand at the casual games, of course, but it may yet be a while before they start showing up with the kind of games that the traditional gamers want.

Demand has been quite strong though, so I have no doubts that we will see the kinds of games we want. The real question is whether the publishers will be able to make any money at it. There is a very real danger of all the more traditional games only showing up on the 360 or PS3.

There are a great many Wii's being sold, but until everyone figures out who the hell is buying them, there will be a lull. Are they being bought by Core gamers who also own a XBox 360, or Casual gamers who are only ever going to play Wii Sports? Either of those does not help the Wii in the long term.

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Longevity + 3rd Party Supprt = Dominance (1)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 7 years ago | (#19321789)

Longevity does not mean that the Wii will be the dominant console in this race. All the metrics that they discussed "Will you be playing the Wii in a year from now?" depends on new content being created worth playing. As long as Nintendo is the only decent publisher of games for the system, the Wii can be a viable system for a long time without being "the winner".

Their handheld systems have clearly shown the demand for retro games, and their Virtual Console fits that bill perfectly. However, playing the Legend of Zelda circa-1988 for the tenth time does not mean the Wii is the greatest system of it's day. It only means that there's nothing better being created *now*.

The success of the Wii will fall to games such as Manhunt 2 and Resident Evil, which will be the true metrics of how this system will be remembered. And if it never gets the Star Wars-lightsaber game that the interface was clearly designed for, it will be a monumental disappointment no matter how many other games come out.

I gifted my Wii. (1)

snsr (917423) | more than 7 years ago | (#19322811)

My Wii made an excellent Christmas gift after I realized that Mario Galaxy and Zelda were the only reasons to have one (and I had played through Zelda.)
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