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Battlestar Galactica's End Officially After Season 4

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the on-their-own-terms-is-better-than-the-alternative dept.

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Ant writes "First it was off, and then it was back on. Yahoo is now reporting on a release put out by David Eick and Ronald Moore stating that they will conclude Battlestar Galactica at the end of Season 4. They said it was a creative decision, and that they wanted to end the show on their own terms. The show was always planned with a definite beginning, middle and end, unlike many other sci-fi shows and dramas. Sci Fi Channel has accepted the decision. The news had been foreshadowed this spring through statements from stars Edward James Olmos and Katee Sackhoff. Ronald Moore himself had said that the show was heading into its final act, although he said the final act could be one or two more seasons. Now we know that the final act will last for one season. The special 2-hr. episode 'Razor' starts off the season in November. The first regular episodes of Season 4 will air in early 2008."

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Good (4, Insightful)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352591)

It was starting to drag near the middle of last season, I'm glad to see they've identified an endpoint. It'd have been a shame to have to watch that show go into the toilet -- better to burn twice as bright for my viewing amusement.

Re:Good (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19353081)

I have a hard time making it through all the episodes. The show has such an unrealistic portrayal of the future!

Sending pieces of paper around the ship as a futuristic method of communication??? And you gotta love how they use that 2D table top with the little plastic models of space ships to plan out their 3D space missions. Instead of using a computer for simulation, they move the ships around with their hands! WTF?!? ...just can't get past stuff like that... ...and don't even get me started on that episode where Starbuck crashes on that planet and manages to fix the crashed Cylon ship and return home with it...

future tech (1, Informative)

Elfich47 (703900) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353339)

There are two reasons for the pieces of paper/table top battle mock ups etc: 1. The in story version is because the humans had to restrict the amount of computer networking etc etc etc because of cylon infiltration and network destruction that could occur. So the Battlestar was designed to run 'low tech' and not be able to be infiltrated by the cylons that way. (Also if you want the shiny happy future-go watch Star Trek with all of their touch screen goodness). 2. It is a concession to the viewer. Viewers can relate to having to shuffle paper and push models on a table in order to gain perspective. This is used so the viewers can related to the characters a bit more.

Re:Good (2, Interesting)

SvnLyrBrto (62138) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353095)

Exactly.

I understand that after you blow away half a season's effects budget of something as incredible as "Exodus", a handful of bottle shows are inevitable. That's not what I minded. But FFS....even in a bottle show, you ought to be able to find some way to advance the bloody plot! And I'm sorry, but Starbuck and Apollo being all emo over each other over and over and over and over again ain't what I mean by advancing the plot.

And recycling the godawful old "doctor gone evil and killing patients he doesn't think are worthy" cliche was just sad.

Season three gave us a spectacular beginning, a good two-parter in the middle, and a good ending (Right up to the geezer rock at the VERY end, that is. Bob Dylan's a cylon sent ahead to destroy us, I guess.). But almost half the season was just time-wasting filler. It'd almost have been better if they'd only had a twelve episode season to work with, like the first.

Hopefully, knowing EXACTLY how many episodes they have left to wrap everything up, they'll stick to the PLOT in season four.

This whole season sucked IMO. (5, Insightful)

nlinecomputers (602059) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353393)

The entire "New Caprica" plot line was pointless if you asked me. Everything in it was predictable with no real insight into the characters and avoiding any real issues. For Example, We never got to see Baltar act as the President on his own. For all the Cylons actions we never really got any insight on WHY they are doing what they are doing. They turned the cylons "with a plan" into simple thugs being brutal just to be brutal.

Frankly for me the show has never lived up to what Season One produced. The show had direction then, to me it lacks it now.

Bang Versus Whimper (1)

reporter (666905) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353123)

Interestingly, "Star Trek: Enterprise" (STE) also ended after 4 seasons. It started okay but gradually degenerated into a final episode in which weak characters from "Star Trek: The Next Generation" (STTNG) flashback to the past.

STE ended on a whimper. By contrast, Battlestar Galactica ends with a bang.

"Right, you are! That Star Wars I & II sucked, also forget not!" exclaims Yoda.

Re:Bang Versus Whimper (1)

blincoln (592401) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353277)

Interestingly, "Star Trek: Enterprise" (STE) also ended after 4 seasons. It started okay but gradually degenerated into a final episode in which weak characters from "Star Trek: The Next Generation" (STTNG) flashback to the past.

More like it started weak and stayed that way until early in season 4 when Manny Coto took over. But I guess Berman couldn't stand to put him in charge of the series finale, so it was as mediocre as the previous three seasons.

But yes, I am glad BSG is going to go out with a bang instead of fading away.

You give them more credit than I do (5, Interesting)

Anderson Council (1096781) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353219)

Old enough to remember watching the original series on TV, I was thrilled with the mini-series, and Season 1 was solid drama with fantastic characterization. Season 2 started strong, but aside from the odd bit of goodness appearing at random, I'd say the show got pretty sketchy after the whole Pegasus thing.

Making it worse, the entire New Caprica plot line which ended the second season went absolutely nowhere, and the spent the rest of the third season hitting a big red reset button which pretty much rewound us to the point right after the mid-season 2 Pegasus arc. Yippe, I love watching a season and a half of TV where the producers produce random plotlines, and Adama and Rosyln, who had previously been inspired characters, were written as "stupid" and thus even the character drama was removed as well.

A real shame in my opinion; however, I'm happy to hear the fourth season will be their last. Perhaps that will inspire them to tell an actual story and we'll end up with a decent finish (and I can just go on ignoring all content between mid-season 2 and the final season =).

--
~AC

Fascinating (4, Insightful)

Erwos (553607) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352619)

Interesting. I wonder what the end game is going to be?

My money is on "Earth is the Cylon home world" or something similarly devious.

Re:Fascinating (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19352699)

"Earth is the Cylon home world" or something similarly devious.
Or even worse, they come upon 21st century earth and Adama's final words to the viewers are "What the hell?!"

Re:Fascinating (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19352771)

Let's just hope there aren't flying motorbikes there!

Re:Fascinating (4, Funny)

Bastard of Subhumani (827601) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352813)

My money is on "Earth is the Cylon home world"
Cylons: We are your forefathers.

Humans: NOOOOOO0000ES!

Re:Fascinating (1, Flamebait)

Bugs42 (788576) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353309)

Better that than:
Cylons: We are anonymous. We are legion. We do not forgive.
Humans: GB2 /b/!

Re:Fascinating (2, Funny)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353455)

Cylons: We are your forefathers.

So Tricia Helfer would then be my mother? Damn you! I'll never be able to fantasize about her again!

Now, what did I do with my analyst's phone number?

Re:Fascinating (4, Interesting)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352961)

My money is on "Earth is the Cylon home world" or something similarly devious.
For crying out loud. Earth is the 13th colony of Cobol, they say so all throughout the series.

The Cylons were using the fleet to find it (Kara's destiny is to find earth, that's why Leoben was so obsessed with getting her trust). And the Cylons were created by the colonies who have no idea where Earth is. There is no chance at all that it's their homeworld.

Re:Fascinating (1)

DeafDumbBlind (264205) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353279)

Given what happpend in the season 3 finale, it's obvious that the Cylons have had contact with Earth already.

Re:Fascinating (1)

Elfich47 (703900) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353409)

It was implied tat the being that looked like a cylon (the one leading Starbuck around in her dreams and the mandalla) was not a cylon. So we don't know if the cylons know where Earth is.

Re:Fascinating (2, Interesting)

dschuetz (10924) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353429)

There is no chance at all that it's their homeworld.

How about this (admittedly remote) idea. First, background:
  • Cylons worship one God (who seems fairly adamant about His charges being monotheistic)
  • The 13th tribe (let's call 'em Terrans) included at least some who worshiped one "jealous" Kobol God above all others (remember the Temple in Eye of Jupiter) (I won't even mention the name this God obviously shares with another, more familiar, jealous God... :) )
  • The Cylons are vulnerable to a virus that humans developed immunity to hundreds of years ago
Now, crazy speculation:
  • The Terrans, on their way to Earth, left behind another little colony of people nearer to Kobol
  • The Cylons discovered this colony
  • The Terrans, on this colony, helped develop the humanoid Cylons, using their own DNA as a guide (maybe cloning themselves to create the original 12 models, and incidentally passing on vulnerability to that virus)
  • Of those 12, 5 models realized the error of worshiping only the one God, and got "thrown out" as heretics
  • These 5 managed to figure out where Earth was (maybe with help of sympathetic Terrans) and have moved on to Earth
  • The remaining 7 exterminated the polytheistic Terrans (hell, probably *all* Terrans ) on the aforementioned speculative 13th-tribe-colony-become-humanoid-cylon-factory, and went on to start the current Cylon war
  • Season 4 will be all about the humans and Cylons figuring all this out, realizing that to an extent they've all been manipulated by the Final 5 and the Terrans, and...I don't know what next.
All of this could even have occurred right *on* Earth, with the Final Five somehow wiping the memory of earth from the consciousness of the other 7, but I think it'd be too much of a stretch for the mechanical Cylons to have stumbled on Earth, rather than stumbling on an intermediate colony.

I've got more to this (I gave it a lot of thought when the season ended, and even think there might be connections to polytheism and the ability to reproduce), but this is the gist of it, as far as I can remember....

(BTW, if RDM reads this and I'm close to his master plan, then I want a hat.)

Re:Fascinating (1)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353579)

I've got more to this (I gave it a lot of thought when the season ended, and even think there might be connections to polytheism and the ability to reproduce), but this is the gist of it, as far as I can remember....

STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER!!!!

Now, turn OFF the computer and all electronic equipment in your house.

Go outside. Wait for a group of nice young men in white coats stop by.

Do not go back into the house until after the men in the white coats give you permission to.

Earth has already wiped itself out... (2, Insightful)

Etherwalk (681268) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352971)

Definitely seems like a plausible end. It might not be sentimentally satisfying, but it could be done in a very poignant way.

Re:Fascinating (1)

pshumate (1004477) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352997)

Are you assuming then that the Cylons are the Thirteenth Colony? If so, that's about what I think.

Re:Fascinating (2, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353057)

They find earth and all earthlings turn out to be cylons, except CowboyNeal. No cylon could edit that poorly.

Re:Fascinating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19353507)

I am thinking that they find earth with cylons in tow. Earth is as advanced as it is today, which is no match for cylons technologically except we have networked computers with firewalls that have been hardened due to hackers. Cylons can break into our firewalled computers and eventually lose because of this.

Re:Fascinating (1)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353539)

There has been a lot of speculation by various people. My thought is that Cylon/human half-breads make up the population of earth. It's all one big cycle of either humans creating Cylons or Cylons creating humans and then eventually intermixing. All humans are actually Cylons and all Cylons are actually human.

It seems logical due the deal with the Cylon internal struggles that have been made obvious they are not single-minded with a bent towards killing all the humans. Some are seeking purpose just like the humans are.

I think depending on how much they play up the mysticism (time travel and all) will determine what the actual cycle looks like. It may be time repeating itself over and over where either the humans or Cylons are created by the other, a war breaks out, then they find Earth and the cycle repeats.

Not a tabloid this time... (1, Redundant)

Oink (33510) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352653)

Hopefully this is more reliable than the Doctor Who drivel that was posted here yesterday or the day before.

Drag? (5, Insightful)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352667)

The entire thing has been awesome, with no detectable dragging at all. There has been, on the other hand, plenty of unjustified whining by fans who don't have and shouldn't have creative control over the show.

Unlike some people, I remember when sci-fi on TV was truly awful, for example, 1979.

Re:Drag? (2, Interesting)

japhmi (225606) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352839)

No dragging? I stopped watching when it went from sci-fi to soap-opera-in-space.

Apparently it got good again at the end of season 3, I'll probably watch season 4 to see if it truly stopped sucking. Especially knowing it's the end.

Re:Drag? (1)

Maltheus (248271) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353265)

Apparently it got good again at the end of season 3

No, it got unbelievably stupid. Some people loved it, but it was a twist, for the sake of throwing in a twist. You didn't miss anything.

Re:Drag? (1)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353399)

No dragging? I stopped watching when it went from sci-fi to soap-opera-in-space.

THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one getting sick and tired of anticipating science fiction and instead, week after week, finding myself tuned in to All My Cylons.

As much as I love good portions of the show, it's fairly obvious (he says so right in the commentaries) that Ronald Moore is pulling the story out of his ass week after week, and that if the Cylons really do have a plan, they never shared it with him. With this announcement, he must figure that either A) he can't keep that up and he doesn't want to sit down and write the overall arc or B) he's tired of fans whining about his "character-oriented" masterpieces such as A Day in the Life and Unfinished Business.

I'd love to see the show go on longer, but not if the last season was any indication of things to come.

Um... no. (1)

Etherwalk (681268) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352945)

Just because it's still better than something else doesn't mean it's better (or as good) as it was. The quality of the writing has certainly wavered--Adama's address to the crew before the rescue mission to New Caprica, for example, was not in character, and was cliche. He's a very strong character normally--but the writers got lazy or they didn't think.

Re:Um... no. (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353459)

Actually, this is the remake, so it's better. Period. This is the well-known sequel effect, whereby the sequel is always better than the original.

No what? (2, Interesting)

adickerson0 (884626) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352673)

FRACK! This leaves a big whole in the Sci-Fi channel line up. I hope they can find a worthy successor.

Re:No what? (2, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352741)

FRACK! This leaves a big whole in the Sci-Fi channel line up.

A big whole what?

Re:No what? (1)

AP2k (991160) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352821)

When someone mispells "hole" as "whole", I assume they are discussing hamburgers.

Re:No what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19352853)

If only those fuckers didn't drop season 5 of Farscape.

Re:No what? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19353005)

For the last four years, it's been the case that if you're stuck in a hole, the chances are it has a W in it [yahoo.com]. I think that's why people now spell "hole" "whole".

That's okay, more room for wrestling. (1)

Tipa (881911) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352933)

Because, wrestling and the SF channel; match made in heaven!

Re:No what? (1, Troll)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353365)

FRACK!...I hope they can find a worthy successor.

As long as that successor doesn't use stupid, invented words like "FRACK" to mimic vulgar language, I'm hope so, too.

Re:No what? (1)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353467)

FRACK! This leaves a big whole in the Sci-Fi channel line up. I hope they can find a worthy successor.

How about wrestling?

Sad to see it go, but..... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19352681)

Sad to see it go, its been fun while it lasted. But its better that they end on their own terms than dragging out several seasons more...

Good... (5, Insightful)

Magneon (1067470) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352689)

It's always good when shows like this _end_ eventually, rather than being cut once the authors run out of random reasons not to get the the goal. Four seasons is an excellent length for this series, and I hope it ends strongly. Or we could have season 5: The cylon invasion of earth.... followed by season six: the escape from earth to find _new heavenly homeworld_ ... and the cycle continues.

Re:Good... (1)

Buran (150348) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352893)

It worked well for Babylon 5. Instead of griping about show X being cancelled, let it wind down on the story's terms. It'll be better in the end.

I miss B5 but there's always the DVDs, and it just shows that doing a show right in the first place leads to more enjoyment in the long run.

Re:Good... (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353103)

In what season do the Galactica kids go down and use their superpowers to win a little league game?

Re:Good... (1)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353313)

Or we could have season 5: The cylon invasion of earth.... followed by season six: the escape from earth to find _new heavenly homeworld_ ... and the cycle continues.

Not to mention Battlestar Galactica 7: The Search for More Money. Now, where is my box of "Battlestar Galactica: The Cereal"? I'm hungry.

It was inevitable (4, Insightful)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352713)

Once they found earth the jig was up. If it was a more primitive earth, the cylons would pound them into the ground and it would all be over, a technologically equal earth and they would likely be outnumbered by the cylons and pounded again (thanks guys for coming and bringing all your enemies along!), a more techologically advanced earth would have pounded the cylons and then assimilated the newcomers onto their society. Trying to drag it out after any of these scenarios would have dragged down the series and alas, it would have sucked.

They have a chance to go out on a high note and I am glad to see they are taking it. Sad, but I was p.o.ed that Deadwood and Rome ended too. There is precious little quality TV out there and the best series are winding down. I will be sad to see the Wire go too. Hopefully all these guys will give us some new quality series.

Re:It was inevitable (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352817)

Rome, huh? That show was nothing but gratuitous copulation.

Re:It was inevitable (1)

loucura! (247834) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353011)

Rome, huh? That show was nothing but gratuitous copulation.


You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re:It was inevitable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19353275)

Yes, marvellous!!

If that is all you got out of Rome, I feel sorry for you

Re:It was inevitable (1)

eggegg (754560) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353133)

They won't all make it anyway: only those (very) few who have been chosen on both sides. Different dynamic, different potential outcomes. But golly, these folks have such mastery of their artform -- wouldn't it be great to finally see a "finding-Earth end-game" scenario that was actually engaging and worthwhile?

Re:It was inevitable (1)

griffjon (14945) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353289)

A tech-equivalent earth I think could provide additional fodder by creating an equal matching between human and cylon forces, instead of 1 or 2 battlestars vs. the entire cylon fleet.

Regardless, if they didn't even spend much time on the goldmine of low-special-effects/high content New Caprica storyline, dragging out an Earth v Cylon war isn't likely.

Re:It was inevitable (1)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353561)

The Colonial ships arrive at Earth, who tell them 'Piss off, and take your war with you. We don't want anything to do with it.'

Re:It was inevitable (1)

ajanp (1083247) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353389)

I think I've just become more of a skeptic lately, and I'm certainly hoping that there is a definitive end, but the fact that the show is confirmed to end doesn't necessarily mean that it will have that final conclusion we're all waiting for. Something that's been happening more often lately, is rather than completely killing off a series, they leave the end a bit open for a movie to end it all.

For example, Serenity http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379786/ [imdb.com] was released after Firefly ended. Stargate just ended, and Stargate: The Ark of Truth http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0942903/ [imdb.com] is being made to conclude the final season's storyline with destroying the Ori, and Stargate: Continuum is also in production. Even 24 has a movie being made now http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0813980/ [imdb.com].

Given that when Battlestar was revived, it came back in the form of a 2hour miniseries, there is always the possibility that they could find earth in a movie to be released after the show ends. I mean, most likely the season will have a definitive end and they will find earth and ??? will happen, but there's always that possibility. I don't think it's too far-fetched considering I'm not sure even the show's producers know how the series will end at this point.

Who knows anymore? (1, Funny)

ajanp (1083247) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352721)

First Edward James Olmos spills the beans and lets the world know that Season 4 is the final one and /. gets the scoop http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/11/158218 [slashdot.org]

Then executive producter David Eick directly contradicts Olmos and says that Battlestar is an open-ended adventure and that Season 4 WON'T be the final season, but there is the possibility of having more seasons. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/12/124725 6 [slashdot.org]

Now, David Eick (and Ronald Moore) says, Oh, JK, what I actually meant to say is that we have no idea what we're doing and we finally decided that Battlestar really is going to end after Season 4. I enjoy watching this show and the fact that its confirmed to end will hopefully make it interesting as they now have the freedom to kill off major characters and finally give the viewers the definitive end they've been waiting for, but with this kind of mis-management, who knows what will happen.

Stay tuned for more post-season drama as we discover that nobody at Battlestar Galactica knows what the hell is going on with their own show...

That's fine (1)

Night Goat (18437) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352759)

I'd rather see the show go out on a high note than to jump the shark. [jumptheshark.com] Two of my favorite shows are Seinfeld and The Simpsons. Seinfeld went out at the top, so whenever I catch a rerun of it, I can be sure I'll enjoy it. With The Simpsons, I usually avoid the reruns because at this point there are more bad episodes than good ones. I hope I'll be able to enjoy reruns of Battlestar Galactica for a long time to come.

Re:That's fine (1)

eggegg (754560) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352861)

Most shows "jump the shark" for economic rather than creative reasons. I've thought Battlestar Galactica "jumps the shark" once or twice a season -- successfully emerging from unexpected and dramatic events when most other shows would severely flounder.

Re:That's fine (1)

OS24Ever (245667) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352895)

Sometimes I wonder if the Simpsons jumping the shark was sometime around Phil Hartman's death. They seem to magically coincide which is doubly sad.

There has been a lot of whining about BSG. It seems that if there is anything like oh, character development a lot of sci-fi fans lack of social skills really jumps out. You get people calling an episode the 'soap opera' episode and I swear they watched the bad preview of 'Unfinished Business' instead of actually watching the show. The 'drama' in the previews was about as long as it was in the entire show. They obsess about the b-story/c-story line instead of the story that was told.

Re:That's fine (0)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353121)

Sometimes I wonder if the Simpsons jumping the shark was sometime around Phil Hartman's death. They seem to magically coincide which is doubly sad.

While I agree that in general Phil Hartman was one of the best things about the Simpsons (and comedy in general, while he was alive) some of the newer Simpsons material has me rolling, more or less literally (more like lolling about on the couch, while simultaneously LOLing, ho ho) in ways that even most of the earlier shows don't make happen, and never did.

Re:That's fine (1)

Maltheus (248271) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353335)

How was pulling the lyrics for "All along the Watchtower," out of the "ethereal mix," not jumping the shark. Honestly, I was rooting for Fonzie at the time. Fonzie's jump was nowhere near as ridiculous. Not to mention RDM pulling the final 4/5 out of his ass halfway through the season in a way that can't possible make sense to regular viewers.

Jumped the robotic shark long time ago (0)

ericferris (1087061) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352761)

I think this show jumped the shark in season 3.

Also, when one of your main characters is supposedly a genius, aren't you supposed to write him as such, instead of having him emote, think and act like a slightly retarded teenager? The writers obviously didn't think so, and that has really riled me up.

Re:Jumped the robotic shark long time ago (2, Insightful)

revlayle (964221) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353183)

You apparently don't know that many geniuses.... neurotic, nutso, emo, and unstable is not as uncommon as one thinks

Will the snake bite its tail or crawl away? (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352791)

They have done this many times before.

Either- inexorably the loop closes and the snake bites its tail again or this is the loop where they break the cycle. Perhaps the merged cyclon/human race is how they break the cycle.

Hopefully it will not have a pathetic ending like Bab5 (Ohhh. we are a big nasty race that's afraid to grow up-- god I felt like that ending invalidated the entire 4 years I watched the series up to there).

We always planned it this way! (4, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352801)

Sure, they may have planned the series to be exactly that long, but I doubt it. After all, these great creative visions tend to go out the window when the money starts rolling in. Any series with a planned timeline will have that timeline stretched with all sorts of filler if the show is popular enough. They start talking up the timeline again when the ratings slip.

The best recent example of this is Lost. That is another show that supposedly had the entire plot (beginning, middle, end) mapped out from the beginning. However, the show became a huge hit, and everything got stretched out to where a large chunk of the episodes are basically filler that doesn't actually move the story forward at all. Now that ratings are declining, they've put an end date on it. However, had the ratings not slipped, I guarantee they would not be talking about end dates now. In my opinion, the show has dragged on at least a season and a half longer than it should have, and it still have 3 more years to go.

Re:We always planned it this way! (3, Informative)

Zarhan (415465) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352985)

Well, at least Babylon 5 actually did it for real.

Re:We always planned it this way! (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353067)

B5 was forced to make numerous course corrections due to funding/network shifts and the departure of at least one major actor. But in general they were as true to the arc as possible...

The Brits have it right--limited and focused (2, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353199)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Brits have the right idea about tight, limited series runs.

Set out from the get-go to make the show X seasons (preferably 2-5) and end it, especially if the show involves a quest or mystery. American network TV needs to get out of that "milk it for as much money as possible, then cancel it with no resolution as soon as the ratings drop" mentality and realize that they can make a lot more money in the long run if the quality of their shows remains CONSISTENTLY high.

/sigh (1)

starbuckr0x (1073378) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352809)

It's bad enough that we have to wait until 2008 for the next episode. SciFi has really shot themselves in the foot by letting this series go.

Not necessarily (4, Insightful)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352949)

SciFi has really shot themselves in the foot by letting this series go.

Keeping a good series on too long can turn it to crap. I like Galactica, but I'm not as excited about it as I was in seasons 1 and 2. As an example, the long, overdone Starbuck/Apollo melodrama has worn thin for me. With a finite time span, the series will likely tighten up and regain some of the focus I feel it lost in season 3.

Also, hanging on to an idea after it has outlived its usefulness is what makes so many viewers disgusted with the studios in the first place. Instead of churning out more of the same thing ("Hey, the Die Hard movies raked in dough, so let's make another one!"), studios need to keep experimenting. If SciFi takes the HBO approach, and isn't afraid to kill off shows *before* they get crappy, they'll be doing the smart thing, rather than shooting themselves in the foot.

"it was a creative decision" (2, Insightful)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352909)

Right... were they tired of making money? Or maybe they didn't make any money for the network? That seems more likely. So they creatively decided to stop the series because there were no interest from advertisers.

Sorry, I call shenanigan on the "it was a creative decision" bullshit. It's a business.

Re:"it was a creative decision" (1)

GreenEnvy22 (1046790) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353363)

If you're a fan of the show at all, you'll know they've been saying for along time the show would end when they'd told the story, and thate RDM did not want to make a show just for the sake of making the show.

I fully believe that this is a creative decision, the show's whole plot is them trying to reach earth. Once that happens, there is not much more to do (though don't give us BS like voyagers "look, it's earth", cut to credits..).
  The show's ratings are very good, so advertising money is there. The show is very expensive to make with all the special effects, but it certainly isn't hurting for ratings (even if they have dropped from their peak, they are still one of the highest ranked on Scifi channel).

Re:"it was a creative decision" (1)

Maltheus (248271) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353395)

I think it was a creative decision. I think it was clear RDM didn't really know where he wanted to take it so he's just deciding to use up whatever story he's got left. If it weren't for the creative problems, the business end would take care of itself.

Crappy ending redux (0, Troll)

Lurker2288 (995635) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352911)

Ooh, ooh! Maybe in the last episode, all the cast members could listen to some Jimi Hendrix music and decide that they're ALL CYLONS! And the colonies weren't really destroyed--it was just some kind of CRAZY hallucination, like Starbuck really being dead! Then the series finale could suck as many balls as the season 3 finale!

Re:Crappy ending redux (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353221)

Hendrix didn't write "All Along the Watchtower".

The season finale was brilliant. Perhaps you would be happier watching Star Trek.

Re:Crappy ending redux (1)

Chicken04GTO (957041) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353373)

Brilliant? Dead people suddenly appearing from nowwhere at just the right place and time? The show is a non-stop Deus Ex Machina. Playing music easily recognized by the viewing audience as all along the watchtower? The soap opera bullshit filler episodes really were unnecessary as well. Better to make 3 good seasons and end it than 3 good ones and 1 soap opera filler one with random plot holes and BS.

Don't feed the... (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353513)

all the cast members could listen to some Jimi Hendrix music and decide that they're [SPOILER IN CAPS]

Hendrix didn't write "All Along the Watchtower".
Troll [slashdot.org] -- A Troll is similar to Flamebait, but slightly more refined. This is a prank comment intended to provoke indignant (or just confused) responses. A Troll might mix up vital facts or otherwise distort reality, to make other readers react with helpful "corrections."

parent is a [show x sucks] troll, but still... (2, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353287)

it was just some kind of CRAZY hallucination, like Starbuck really being dead!
We see her hand on the ejector seat lever.
There's a Cylon troop transport luring her there.
She's been declared dead and was saved by a Cylon ship before.
One of the Leobens is obsessed with getting Starbuck to fall in love with him.
Her henpit pressure had equalized to the atmospheric level due to the hole in her windshield.
She holds on to the very last second, and only when her ship breaks apart do we see her throw her brace for it.
Due to the documentary-style special effects, the shaking camera put her viper at the top of the screen when it explodes [web-l.com].

It's weird how many people believe what the characters are telling themselves (she's dead, Jim) rather than what the filmmakers are deliberately showing us (stuff the characters don't know, but we were shown requires far more effort in prop making, filming and editing than stuff people say).

Re:Crappy ending redux (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353353)

As long as Starbuck doesn't find Patrick Duffy in her shower, we'll be fine.

Re:Crappy ending redux (1)

Maltheus (248271) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353443)

Then the series finale could suck as many balls as the season 3 finale!

I don't think all the prostitutes in Nevada can suck that many balls. It can only get better from here (says desperately to myself).

Good (1)

bigtangringo (800328) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352951)

I haven't had a chance to watch any of them since the pilot. However, I hear it's spectacular. Anyway, I wish more shows would wrap things up and leave a spectacular series. Lost and Heroes come to mind.

I'd be sad when they're over, but happier overall because it was done right.

Saving it from itself (1, Troll)

moore.dustin (942289) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352955)

Let us be thankful that our great show, that turned to shit, wont hit rock bottom before they decide to end it. I am happy to hear that it will be ending after this season because that means they ahve to actually advance the story instead of making filler episodes that brought the series down the last couple seasons.

Good riddance (-1, Flamebait)

realmolo (574068) | more than 6 years ago | (#19352987)

BSG sucks. It always has. I'll never understand how people can like that show. It's poorly-written and poorly-acted melodrama.

Prediction (1)

rlp (11898) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353007)

(Non-spoiler as it's a wild guess) - We've seen four of the final five Cylons. The remaining unknown Cylon comes in multiple sizes, shapes, and genders. And comprises the remainder of the 'colonial fleet'.

Good News (4, Interesting)

Maltheus (248271) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353227)

I was on the fence to whether I'd tune in again after that disastrous season finale. It all came down to whether next season would be it's last or now. If I heard they were going for five seasons, I wasn't gonna bother with the fourth. But now I'd like to see how they're going to finish things up.

This show had some great moments. Even season 3 had some good ones. Exodus Pt. II was one of the finest hours in TV history. But RDM clearly had no idea of where he wanted to go with this show. Making those people (in the finale) into Cylons, based on a decision made halfway through season 3, just kind invalidated everything that came before to me. And the idea of pulling the lyrics for "All Along the Watchtower" out of the "ethereal mix" that we're all tapped into was just too stupid for me to ever look at this as a good show again (I read that one in an interview). Some people are just blown away by any manufactured twist. I prefer a degree of coherence to my storylines.

SPOILER - they reach earth, but... (5, Funny)

Stele (9443) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353231)

Unfortunately, due to a terrible miscalculation of scale, BOTH fleets are eaten by a small dog.

make way (1)

drukawski (1083675) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353253)

Now the SciFi channel will have room for Stargate Galaxies, and Stargate: The Next Generation, and Stargate Return of the Jedi, and....

BSG Ending (3, Interesting)

astrotek (132325) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353295)

Spoiler, BSG is nothing more than a Cylon social experiment. The 12 colonies are long dead. The first show led to the death of the humans. All the humans and cylon models are really just computers set up in a situation that happened long ago ( the first show ) to try to see if they can find earth the same way the old humans did if they really believe they are human.

Zap, theres season 5 6 7. Humans fighting future cylons. Thats the only way the series could possibly continue. New cast and all. With cameos of every character to ever be on bsg.

and they have a plan (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 6 years ago | (#19353463)

While we all know the Cylons "have a plan" I began to wonder about the writers. People became to dysfunctional for my tastes and the finale where they were singing the same song was just to hokey.

I really liked the show, but this last season wrapped around Kara was too predictable, it more Saturday morning show than anything else.
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