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iPhone Release Date Is June 29

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the lines-form-now dept.

Portables (Apple) 515

willith writes "Apple has placed three iPhone commercials on their Web site today, and each ends with a tag: 'Coming June 29.' This puts to rest the question of when the thing will hit the streets, but there are still worries about allocation — AppleInsider is reporting that the supplies at Cingular/AT&T stores may be relatively tight." And some fanatic sites are already parsing the ads for such enigmas as the "mystery app."

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BOBBY BACALA DEAD, SILVIO CRTICALLY WOUNDED (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19376651)

Warning: Soprano's spoilers in subject line

Uhhhh... Hoof (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19376977)

Arted?

Or Hook Ares?

Apple = Lameness

Who farted? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377037)

I did 'cause apple deserves at most that.

Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (5, Insightful)

rueger (210566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376667)

Please, please, please Slashdot editors, can you have mercy and only post eight or ten fan boy raves about how amazingly wonderful their shiny new phones are, and how the iPhone is going to Change The Face of Communications in Our Lifetime?

I mean, it's a phone for God's sake, not a cure for cancer.

Re:Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (5, Funny)

ratnerstar (609443) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376711)

Doesn't cure cancer? Apparently you're not familiar with the mystery app!

Re:Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (0)

cmeans (81143) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376727)

Actually, it's the Killer App! You'll never get cancer once you're dead.

Re:Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (0)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376823)

It's the miracle app! It raises you from the dead and let you walk on water. Only Steve Jobs can pull that one off.

Parallels? *YAWN* (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377053)

For decades, we Mac users haven't really given a shit what was happening off in PC land. Every few years we'd hear about a new version of Windows, and we'd glance into the abyss just long enough to remind ourselves of Microsoft's eternal cluelessness. Other than that, I think our closest brush with Windows was Word 6, and that was a decade and a half ago.

So what makes Windows suddenly relevant to us now? Who are all these "Mac users" clamoring for aberrations like "Macintosh Explorer" [ragesw.com] ? Are these the same "Mac users" on VersionTracker writing glowing reviews of Firefox and Azureus? Who let them in, anyway?

If you're some sort of tragic square who needs to run Windows, maybe you should have thought of that before you bought a Mac. Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just round up these so-called "Mac users" and send them all on trains to Redmond.

Re:Parallels? *YAWN* (5, Funny)

PixelScuba (686633) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377205)

If you're some sort of tragic square who needs to run Windows

Yeah man, it's like, can ya dig it... these freaky cats at Microsoft they, like, want you to believe they are innovative and shit, but, it's like, they just take ideas man. And ideas want to be free, like beer man, ideas can't be packaged and sold, they need to run free in the wild, man! Hay brother, keep fightin' fascism from those unhip squares at redmond, man... use the tools of the people, spoken word, rhythm and buying apple products, man!

Re:Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (0)

omeomi (675045) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377197)

Apparently you're not familiar with the mystery app!

It's probably something completely benign, like "Test Program 7" that one of the developers installed on an iPhone, and forgot to take off before that shot was filmed for the commercial...

Re:Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (1)

semiotec (948062) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377255)

yeah, the editors got it wrong, it's not an "Enigma" app, it's an enema app...

Re:Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19376717)

If you wish Xcode would reformat your code for consistency, GTFO.
If you're overwhelmed by IB's multi-paletted interface, GTFO.
If you can't intuit your way from HyperTalk to AppleScript, GTFO.
If the name "Clarus" means nothing to you, GTFO.

Bandwagon jumpers are not welcome among real [imageshack.us] Mac [imageshack.us] geeks [imageshack.us] . Keep your filthy PC fingers to yourself.

Re:Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (1)

PenGun (794213) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377201)

Mac geeks is an oxymoron.

Cure for Cancer (0)

Nymz (905908) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376785)

I mean, it's a phone for God's sake, not a cure for cancer.
Are you sure? When Jobs was diagnoised with pancreatic cancer, he was told he had less than 6 months to live. Also, he's never over-hyped a product before.

Re:Cure for Cancer (-1, Troll)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376863)

"he's never over-hyped a product before."

bull-fucking-shit

Re:Cure for Cancer (2, Insightful)

pasamio (737659) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376923)

Jobs has never over hyped a product just like Gates has never over hyped a product. Remember those four pillars of Longhorn? Turns out that the Vista house only needed one pillar to stay up...both are sales people. Sales people hype. They can't do much else so let them hype.

Re:Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19376853)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a iPhone for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Razr, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Re:Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (0)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377071)

Viva Kottke!

Re:Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (1, Insightful)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376943)

They're making up for panning the iPod as 'lame'.

Re:Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (0)

ajanp (1083247) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377013)

I mean, it's a phone for God's sake, not a cure for cancer.
Perhaps you should look over that summary again...
1. A dramatic 'Coming June 29.' finale aimed to give people hope and urge them to hang on until the date arrives.
2. Answering the question about "when the thing will hit he streets".
3. Worries about allocation.
4. "[Informant] is reporting that the supplies at [outlet] may be relatively tight."


I'm pretty sure I could use that same description for the release of my miracle cancer cure... or the newest form of cocaine.

You must be new here... (2, Insightful)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377049)

You're a brave poster, sir or madam.

Never in the history of slashdot has one relatively ordinary product received so much publicity based on so little actual information. Honestly, it was better when this site wrote off the iPod as a doomed device :)

Meanwhile, here is a guide to pro-Apple moderator psychology to help you cope through the savage moderation clusterf*ck your post will currently be experiencing:

The Mind of the iMod:

1. I love Apple blindly

2. I will flame anyone who criticises Apple

3. I will flame anyone who criticises anyone who praises Apple

4. Because of 2 and 3 above, I can legitimately say that any post critical of Apple or Apple fan-boy-ism is "flame bait", as I myself will flame them

5. Therefore, all posts critical of Apple will be moderated flame bait

Re:Editorial Request (Please Read on June 28th) (0)

Bamafan77 (565893) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377079)

I mean, it's a phone for God's sake, not a cure for cancer.
This minor fact seems to be getting lost in the Slashdot hysteria. Yes, it's a neat phone, certainly. But it's...just...a...phone.

Add to that, it's a closed platform too. I always love to see the congitive dissonance here when people bash TiVo [slashdot.org] for wanting to keep their platform closed, but defend Apple to the death when they do the same thing [slashdot.org] . (No doubt the mental gymnastics and word smithing used to defend this is...entertaining.)

One thing is for sure though - Apple is basically nothing without Steve Jobs. You can see the reality distortion on Slashdot for all the proof you need. Woz was brilliant, but I'd be surprised if there weren't other people in the Bay Area doing work just as good at the same time as Woz. What allowed Apple to shine is Steve's ability to sell, even if he's occasionally a scumbag [wikipedia.org] (though fanboys are convinced he's Christ reborn because he's a significant computer figure not named Bill Gates).

iPhone == iFiasco (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19376681)

Overpriced.
Underfeatured.

The only people who would willing to waste so much money for so little in actual value are these types:

http://www.geocities.com/peacemalion/iproduct.gif [geocities.com]

No thanks Apple, unlike portable music players, people actually are happy with their cellphones.

Re:iPhone == iFiasco (2, Interesting)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376807)

I'm not happy with my cellphone. I have a Treo 700w and I'm tired of it. I'm tired of resetting it at least once per day. I'm tired of a browser that won't actually show a properly rendered page. I'll be glad to get a cell phone with a well designed interface.

Re:iPhone == iFiasco (4, Interesting)

catwh0re (540371) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376859)

Actually the switcher campaign were real people.. unlike this switcher campaign. [slashdot.org]

As one /.'er said about the Microsoft Surface "if only it fitted in my shirt pocket.."

I think you're being naive to think that it's hype alone which is fuelling this product launch. There is an actual demand for this kind of tech. Even Microsoft who gets hammered constantly on here, received huge praise for embracing touch interfaces. People want these devices, if you don't that's fine.. but you're going to be considered ignorant for thinking this is redundant technology. I for one have a specific hate for mobile phones today, they come across as utterly clueless to what is ease of use. I have no problem sitting there to learn their silly interfaces, I do have a problem for why they are evidently programmed lazily, excessively complicated to do simple actions, sluggish and with a status quo attitude. There has been minimal advancement in the mobile phone field. Even giant like nokia and sony just rehash their exact same interface across mobile phones. Crude evolutions from their decade old black and white devices. We have the tech now, it's about time a big player started making it widely available. (Unlike the LG Prada phone which, despite having a touch screen, seems to think that finger tips are 3px wide.)

Re:iPhone == iFiasco (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377101)

No thanks Apple, unlike portable music players, people actually are happy with their cellphones.

HAHAHA! WHOOHOO! HAHAHA! Let me stop laughing and pick myself up off the floor! DUDE what fscking planet do you live on???

Re:iPhone == iFiasco (1)

turing_m (1030530) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377171)

Thanks, that was classic! (And even though I grudgingly like the design of the IPod. Which I am yet to buy.)

Re:iPhone == iFiasco (2, Informative)

jcr (53032) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377241)

No thanks Apple, unlike portable music players, people actually are happy with their cellphones.

Guess again, Mr. Ballmer. Apple's done the research, and found that you are mistaken. They don't jump into a crowded market unless they know that it's very poorly-served.

-jcr

Re:iPhone == iFiasco (4, Insightful)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377301)

You mean my Windows mobile crappy re-boot a couple times a day PDA phone. Oh, to be sure, I love what it should do. Getting it to do it and do it logically is about as easy as getting a suntan at the south pole.

I mean, having even a basic logical way to close an application would seem a no brainer. I'm nigh of the opinion all present PDA phone manufacturers CEOs should be dragged out of bed and beaten. NO ONE I KNOW is HAPPY with their cell phone PDAs. We just need what they offer and we endure.

I for one and over-joyed for the iPhone. Why? Cause at the very least it will get Microsoft to move it's but. And other phone vendors to try new things. Nokia, HTC, LG, you name it. They know if they do nothing and the iPhone works as displayed and is a success then they are looking at a market 5 yrs from now where iPhone is synonymous cell phone as iPod is to MP3 player.

June 29? (0, Flamebait)

atezun (755568) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376685)

They're really pushing that June release date aren't they?

Re:June 29? (0, Offtopic)

Tokerat (150341) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376707)

They waited because they know it's my birthday, and since I have been trolling /. and praising them over 8 years now, they thought the next revolution in communications technology of a lifetime forever would make me a nice present.

;-)

Ahead of schedule by one day! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19376803)

12:25 p.m. [allthingsd.com] : Jobs says Apple is on track to ship iPhone in late June as planned.
Walt: Like the last day of June?
Jobs: (Laughs) Yeah, probably.

Re:June 29? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19376889)

Yes June 29 is clearly in another month other than June. Outrageous I say!

No outrageous is missing your public operating system deadline by more than 2 years.

Re:June 29? (1)

underwhelm (53409) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376921)

Are you afraid congress might change June to have only 28 days?

Linux (3, Funny)

Brando_Calrisean (755640) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376709)

Okay... but does it run Linux?

Re:Linux (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376851)

What... The Mac console command line isn't good enough for you?

Re:Linux? Who cares! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377091)

It runs OS X. I'd take that over Linux any day of the week!

Re:Linux (1)

Wahlau.NET (1110999) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377275)

I would prefer runing boot camp

Re:Linux (1)

mmontour (2208) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377309)

Okay... but does it run Linux?
No, but this one [openmoko.org] does.

Wow. (-1, Troll)

Sidepocket_Pro (1096265) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376737)

I do not have Apple, but am I the only one that does not care about the iPhone?

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19376769)

I couldn't care less about the iPhone. It's too little too late and the Helio Ocean owns it anyways.

Re:Wow. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19376897)

Oh shit! You forgot to log out!

Re:Wow. (0)

Hugopig (1109975) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376937)

No. Based on what the commercial I saw on TV today, it looks like the sort of thing where if you carry it in your pocket you'll find yourself hearing odd things, accidentally calling up random people in Kazakhstan and causing "White and Nerdy" to play at Volume 25 form your general direction every time you sneeze. And God Forbid you should trip and fall...

Re:Wow. (0, Troll)

Sidepocket_Pro (1096265) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377235)

Not to mention that its another thing for the Apple Trend Freaks to flaunt. I might actually nuke the Tekserve building if this happens.

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377139)

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who is genuinely uninterested in the iphone.

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377289)

I'm not excited about the iPhone either, but I'm even less interested in reading you publicly declare that you're not interested. If you don't have anything interesting to say, just STFU. Otherwise you'll come off looking like some bitter Apple-hater.

Belive me (1)

WillRobinson (159226) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376755)

They know how to deliver, the pipeline to the stores will be full.

links (5, Informative)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376761)

the embedded video links kept dying on me a few seconds into the ads. Here are direct links to the videos:

  • 1 [apple.com]
  • 2 [apple.com]
  • 3 [apple.com]

Re:links (1)

notanatheist (581086) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377063)

Now the only trouble is "can anybody get the audio on linux?" I have the same issues with the Transformers HD clips. Mplayer, Xine, and VLC only give me video. And parent FTW!! Thanks for the direct links.

Re:links (1)

Rufus211 (221883) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377121)

Do you have libfaad installed? All of the above have worked fine for years on apple stuff.

Playing http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/iphone/cal amari/apple-iphone-calamari_848x496.mov.
...
ISO : File Type Major Brand: Original QuickTime
Quicktime/MOV file format detected.
...
===
Opening audio decoder: [faad] AAC (MPEG2/4 Advanced Audio Coding)
AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 160.0 kbit/11.34% (ratio: 20000->176400)
Selected audio codec: [faad] afm: faad (FAAD AAC (MPEG-2/MPEG-4 Audio) decoder)
===
AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)

Re:links (3, Informative)

Rufus211 (221883) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377103)

Re:links (1)

PWill (1006147) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377187)

The video keep dying because Apple has a script that checks for QuickTime in your browser plugins list. If it is not there, it loads a div called "noqt" over the video. This div includes a link to "Download QT for free!" Yeah, we would if you would make a Linux version, morons.

Stupid commercials (1, Insightful)

acoustix (123925) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376773)

Has anyone seen the iPhone commercial where someone is looking for a seafood restaurant, does a search, clicks on the restaurant on the map, sees the info, and clicks the phone number to call the restaurant? How is that innovative? I've been able to do that on my blackberry for over 3 years now.

Nick

Re:Stupid commercials (1)

Prof.Phreak (584152) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376827)

How is that innovative? I've been able to do that on my blackberry for over 3 years now.

But but... it's not Apple!

Re:Stupid commercials (2, Insightful)

Tickletaint (1088359) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376829)

It's innovative because the Blackberry is a fucking pain to use.

Re:Stupid commercials (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377181)

In what way?

Re:Stupid commercials (1)

Basehart (633304) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376855)

Who's saying it's innovative?

Re:Stupid commercials (4, Informative)

cmoney (216557) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376969)

Wait you've been able to watch Pirates of the Caribbean, got the feeling to eat calamari, look up seafood in Google maps and then make a call to the restaurant? All on your Blackberry, 3 years ago?

I'm not saying it's a new innovation but leaving out select details kinda kills your argument.

Re:Stupid commercials (3, Insightful)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377069)

Yeah, the only new part of that is being able to watch a DRM'd copy of Pirates of Caribbean that you paid $10 to download. Lots of phones have been able to play 3GP movies for a while now, as well as accessing the web for local searches and phone call links (albeit without Google Maps's ajaxy goodness).

Re:Stupid commercials (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377165)

"Wait you've been able to watch Pirates of the Caribbean, got the feeling to eat calamari, look up seafood in Google maps and then make a call to the restaurant? All on your Blackberry, 3 years ago?"

How long have Treos been available?

Re:Stupid commercials (1, Redundant)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376971)

What movie were you watching on your Blackberry that got you in the mood for seafood?

Re:Stupid commercials (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19376987)

Do you watch movies on your blackberry? Do the movies adjust to widescreen format when you rotate your blackberry?

Re:Stupid commercials (5, Insightful)

lachesis-jp (886896) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377033)

But with the iPhone your mom can too... That's what makes it different.

iDISAGREE (3, Funny)

ajanp (1083247) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377073)

Because now you can do an iSEARCH, perform an iCLICK on the iMAP, get the iNAME of the iPLACE you want to get your iFOOD, use your iPHONE to make an iCALL to the iCAB to get your iMEAL and then watch an iFLICK on your way back to your iHOME (and your iWIFE if you're lonely).


Clearly you aren't appreciating the vast amount of innovation that went into this device.

Re:iDISAGREE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377177)

Clearly you aren't appreciating the vast amount of innovation that went into this device.

That would be iNNOVATION, btw.

Re:Stupid commercials (1)

Coolnat2004 (830862) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377207)

Perhaps the iPhone automatically tells Google Maps where your current location (via GPS) is, and finds things nearest there?

Gentlemen (-1, Offtopic)

fishthegeek (943099) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376787)

Show of hands please... how many of you can't get up from your desk when your mom calls from upstairs now because you would feel "creepy"?

Wow!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19376797)

Here in Brazil the fanboys are crazy. They cant buy one.

I'd give this thing at least 6 months in the wild (5, Interesting)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376813)

The two potentially big problems with it I see are:

1. Lack of tactile feedback in the UI. I.e. you have to look at it and concentrate on the UI to use it.
2. The fragility of the touch screen.

Re:I'd give this thing at least 6 months in the wi (5, Interesting)

furball (2853) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376975)

I disagree about the fragility of the touch screen. If children's devices (Nintendo DS) can have a touch screen, I don't see why adult devices should be concerned about the fragility of such a thing.

As for the tactile feedback, I think you're underestimating the UI mechanisms used to use the device. The most pressing activity on a phone is dialing. If you can solve the ease of dialing issue, you can make everything much easier. If you look at the demo of the Google map, you'll see what I'm talking about. It makes dialing easy. No current phone does this right now. None.

About the only way this could get easier is if they start scanning your voice mail for phone numbers to associate with the visual voice mail .... hold on. I need to go write a business plan.

Re:I'd give this thing at least 6 months in the wi (2, Insightful)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377131)

Why are people so obsessed with dialing?... How often do you actually do that?

You got pretty much everyone you know whom you're likely to call already in your address book, and the few times you actually need to enter a phone number will be when you didn't look it up on through google.

Re:I'd give this thing at least 6 months in the wi (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376985)

And the lack of a platform that people can develop for freely. And the inability to swap cards so you can use whatever provider you want.

Re:I'd give this thing at least 6 months in the wi (1)

furball (2853) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377011)

I don't think lack of a platform that people can develop for freely ever made a difference. The Motorola RAZR, a completely terrible phone, did not sell amazingly well because consumers looked at it and said, "Wow, this phone is amazing. It presents a platform that people can develop for freely."

It sold really well because it was marketed well.

Re:I'd give this thing at least 6 months in the wi (3, Insightful)

ubernostrum (219442) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377081)

Lack of tactile feedback in the UI. I.e. you have to look at it and concentrate on the UI to use it.

I've been thinking about this, and I really can't see anything to be concerned about. Several things come to mind:

  • Does the mouse on your computer provide tactile feedback when you move the cursor over a button? Trackpads or pointers on laptops? Do any other touchscreens (e.g., in grocery store checkout lines) do so? Do any PDAs with touchscreens provide tactile feedback? I can't think of many, if any, that do, and that doesn't seem to have hindered them.
  • How often do you actually use a phone without looking at it? Even when I'm just hitting speed dial buttons I'm usually looking at the phone to double-check that it's calling the right person. Especially relevant: how often do you use advanced features like web surfing or text messaging/email without looking at the phone? Unless you've got a screen reader in there, don't you kind of have to look at it to use those features? Ditto for watching video on a handheld device.

I'll wait until I actually see one in action to pass judgment, but I'm a lot more skeptical of the "no tactile feedback" argument than I used to be...

Re:I'd give this thing at least 6 months in the wi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377331)

Tactile feedback isn't just an issue when you're not looking at the screen. Consider your keyboard, for instance. You judge where to place your fingers by the physical shape of the keys. If you accidentally place a finger between keys, you can instant feel that your fingers are mispositioned, and you can quickly readjust.

Now imagine if your keyboard was one giant touch screen. The only way you can tell that you aren't properly positioned is if you're actively looking at your finger placement, or you start to hit the wrong keys while typing. Add to that the fact that your fingers are likely to drift when you move to and from the home row, and you get a whole host of problems with intuitively positioning and repositioning your fingers.

Now imagine that the keyboard is now a quarter of its original size, and your fingers are still as fat as ever. That's the problem with tactile feedback at the iPhone. It looks really slick and I like the concept of all of the included apps, but the entire iPhone concept is reliant on entering a fair amount of text, and the lack of physical buttons makes me a little worried.

Re:I'd give this thing at least 6 months in the wi (1)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377337)

No, but few of us use our computers while driving, walking, cooking, or involved on another task.

And voice recognition while decent is not perfect. And I find it often more dangerous fuss with a hands free kit or sit there repeatedly having to tell voice-recognition. No, "try again" not that, no, "try again"...no..."try again"

Where as my phones that had large tactile surfaces I could have the most common number programmed and simply press and hold "1", or "2" and easily dial the corresponding person with little trouble. And I found such to be the safest methods of dialing while occupied.

Re:I'd give this thing at least 6 months in the wi (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377219)

It depends how the screen is made, and how you carry it. My original gameboy is still in perfect condition. I have never carried it my pocket, but have never taken great care of it. That mean is has spent most of it's life (10-5 years?) stuffed in various boxes, often with metal objects.

OTOH, my Palm and some of my phones with exposed glass have gotten broken. Now, these broke with significant force, never just by dropping, and they still worked for quite a while. My iPods, which are carried abound thrown in a bag of in a pocket, albeit in a case, have never broke.

The first item is the lesser of the issue. I have not been able to use a phone by touch for years. To make a call on my phone, I have to look at it. OTOH, like many people, the phone is just the boosting station for the ear piece. With voice dial one does not ever have to take out the phone. Ir just needs to be nearby.

Really, this phone is almost exactly what I hoped apple would create, except I would have been happy with a mini form factor, but I understand why the did this. As I have mentioned, the killer app for a phone is break away from anachronistic "dialing" the phone. There is no reason why making a call should not be as simple as stating someone's name. The lack of tactile feedback for music is a problem, though. I wonder if they have included voice commands to move through the tracks.

Re:I'd give this thing at least 6 months in the wi (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377231)

The two potentially big problems with it I see are:

1. Lack of tactile feedback in the UI. I.e. you have to look at it and concentrate on the UI to use it.
2. The fragility of the touch screen.


I don't think the Treo would be a terribly popular phone if either of these was a serious issue.

Re:I'd give this thing at least 6 months in the wi (1)

MikShapi (681808) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377277)

Tactile feedback is a non-issue.

I was concerned about the lack of tactile feedback on my CarPC 8'' monitor when I build the machine about a year and a half ago.

After you get used to it, you don't miss it. It's just fine without.

They Don't want My Money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19376819)

Apparently, they do not want my money.

It is relatively easy to View Source, and cut and paste the URL to see the ads, but I have no idea why a company would want to make the potential customer do that.

Here's the URL's for those that may want to purchase an iPhone despite Apple Marketing's attempts to prevent it:

http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/iphone/how _to/apple-iphone-how_to_848x496.mov [apple.com]
http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/iphone/cal amari/apple-iphone-calamari_640x496.mov [apple.com]
http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/iphone/nev er_been/apple-iphone-never_been_480x376.mov [apple.com]

Sorry they are not all the same res, but I bet you can figure out how to get whatever resolution you want.

Re:They Don't want My Money (2, Insightful)

Tickletaint (1088359) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376871)

I think the assumption is that if your browser, in the year 2007, is too broken to view embedded object tags, you probably don't have the money to spend.

And if you're a dirty GNU/FSF type, Apple certainly doesn't want its stuff to be seen in public with you. Guilt by association and all that.

Traditional? (5, Insightful)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376879)

From TFA:

However, there is an odd shot in the newly released "How- To" iPhone ad, where the screen goes from the traditional 11 icon view, to a new 12 icon view. (See below).

It's a pet peeve of mine that people use the word "traditional" for things which were invented very very recently. Traditional things are generational things, handed down from one generation to another. You can't make it artificially, and you can't make it quickly.

Reminds me of this brand new Irish Pub that just opened up down the road from me. As I am an alcoholic, I was right there belly to the bar on the SECOND day they were open. I was amazed to see that all the walls of the brand new bar were full of photographs of customers having good times with their friends, in this friendly neighborhood establishment. Amusingly, for a neighborhood bar, it was surprisingly inaccessible. You couldn't really walk to it, as there were no sidewalks, just rows and rows of parking spots. I wouldn't want to walk there anyway, because the traffic from the Bed Bath and Beyond next door is crazy.

So, these photos were all over the walls of this pub, showing hundreds of people having an amazingly good time. I was really jealous of those people who showed up at this brand new bar, on the first day it was open. They were the lucky ones, having had the opportunity to both create tradition, and have a good time doing it too. But still, it was a good feeling to see that my neighborhood bar had created in just one day what some pubs in Ireland are apparently still working on after 300 years or more.

I think that the new Irish bar next door really captured the tradition which my neighborhood strip mall holds in such high regard. I'm not sure that these little icons on a phone can measure up to that.

Re:Traditional? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377229)

It's a pet peeve of mine when people clearly understand the meaning of words but complain about their usage based on some strange idea that language is static and etymology must necessarily determine current understanding.

Re:Traditional? (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377273)

That's the exact same pet peeve that I have. Some people never heard of a dictionary.

A low # of phones at each store is not the same... (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376883)

as other things like the xbox 360 and ps3 as you need to do paper work / sign up for cell phone service and that takes a lot longer then selling other things.
also that will make selling them on ebay a lot harder. The I-phone may even have a forced data plan.

I've already got a smart phone (0, Troll)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376959)

My xv6700 can already play mp3s, browse Google maps, take notes, record videos, etc. And it can do things that the iPhone can't: run custom apps, like Putty, so I can ssh into Linux boxes at work or at home. The iPhone may be better at some of these things. Although Apple-designed user interfaces aren't all that they're cracked up to be, I can easily imagine a UI that beats Windows Mobile on a phone.

Honestly though, with laptops at $500 nowadays, there isn't much reason for these kinds of devices. The level of hype about the iPhone device is hugely overblown, more than for most Mac products.

Re:I've already got a smart phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377019)

So your review is basically, "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame."?

I think it might be better to wait until it hits the streets before determining how good it is.

Re:I've already got a smart phone (1)

cmoney (216557) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377061)

True about laptop prices, but then I don't wanna have to lug around a 7 pound laptop while traveling through Europe for a few weeks when most of what I need to do can be accomplished on a phone (iPhone or whatever) or similar device (basic email, international sms and phone calls, access my contacts, pictures, internet, music, videos, etc.). (Although if the iPhone can't be unlocked, that'll be a major bill. Just got back from 2 weeks across the Mediterranean and my phone bill came out to $200 for data and phone calls!)

Plus most people who are gonna buy this don't even know what putty, ssh or even linux is. It does what normal people need it to do, and it makes it easy to access those functions. This is not a device for the linux loving slashdot community. None of my "normal" friends care that they can install Java (or Brew) apps on their phones, they can barely get most of the functions working properly like syncing a contact list to a computer. Why do you think phone stores offer to copy your contacts to your new phone when you upgrade it?

functionality vs design (5, Insightful)

gonerill (139660) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377077)

My xv6700 can already play mp3s, browse Google maps, take notes, record videos, etc

Sure. But this is going to be just like the iPod and the "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." response. You can point to devices that functionally do most of the things that the iPhone will do, or maybe even more things (like run Putty and all that). What you won't find is a device that triangulates so well between features people want, high quality user-experience, and excellent industrial design.

Re:I've already got a smart phone (1)

sribe (304414) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377153)

Honestly though, with laptops at $500 nowadays, there isn't much reason for these kinds of devices.

1) I'm 100% sure I would never want to ski with a 5lb laptop.

2) I'm pretty sure I will never be in good enough shape to not mind carrying a 5lb laptop when I'm hiking above 12,000 feet.

Granted, not everybody lives in a state (CO) where they can take off a day in the middle of the week and do such things, but I can. And the iPhone will just make it a little bit easier... (I sure hope it runs an SSH client. Please, please, please.)

Pacific Catch! (1)

azav (469988) | more than 7 years ago | (#19376979)

Woo hoo! It is so sweet to see my old favorite local restaurant from SF (Pacific Catch) in one of the commercials!

Man, I used to eat there twice a day sometimes.

Mmmmm Hawiian Poke Tuna. Mmmmmmm. Sweet potato fries. Mmmmmmmm.

MMMm.

Activation Plan (2, Insightful)

milamber3 (173273) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377055)

Whoa, wait and minute. I thought that Apple made a big fuss about not allowing the Cell companies to lock users in to long term contracts with subsidized phones and that was why were were going to pay 500+ for the iPhone. The end of the commercial indicated we have to sign a 2 year minimum plan with AT&T. I certainly don't want to pay out the ass for this phone and still get locked into a company.

Nope (4, Informative)

debest (471937) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377349)

Right from the beginning, at the speech made by Jobs at MacWorld, he mentioned that the iPhone was going to be sold for $499/$599 with a two-year contract with Cingular (now AT&T). This is on par with other high-end devices on all carriers. They never said that the price was going to be for the unemcumbered unit.

Iphone is the next PS3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377067)

Too expensive and too departed from it's original design. I just don't need a wannabe PDA mini multimedia gadget phone. I need a phone that is comfortable, gets good reception, has great battery life and is built for punishment.

I have a funny feeling the iPhone won't be able to live up to the majority of those basic goal which most cell phone manufacturers have already met.

The iPhone will be the gimicky phone of the city, but for actually making calls I can't see how it's even meant for that. Even the commercial bothers to list the phone feature as the last and least impressive looking thing the gadget can do. The interface seems smooth, just not for being used as a phone so much as some type of multimedia pda.

This just isn't going to work. People want to make calls on their phones and no HAVE to get bluetooh for it to be comfortable. Plus the features in this gadget will never offset it's development time. The cell phone market is too fast paced for the iPhone to be anything but a trend. The money is in selling millions of units and securing a great model phone that can be used all over the globe. Cell phone sales profit margins are small, so unless AT&T actually thinks many people will change their service over just to get an iPhone I don't see how this could really work. Apple just put a lot of time and money into a product that can't even remotely sell as well as an iPod which more or less had no real competition. Apple isn't going to be able to hang in such a fast paced market when they are used to dictating their own pace in the market. That strategy isn't working for the iPod or their iTunes store. They benefiting from being one of the first easy to use hdd mp3 players with mass appeal, but beyond that Apple's marketing genius ends. iPhone is going to do even worse since it has competition already and Apple has no real foothold in the market as they did with the iPod.

Look's like a cool device, though not really practical for today. I'd rather have something a little more functional and little less flashy. I think as MS has done with surface by just saying hey here is a new inpurt device and API to go along with it, now do what you will with it is a vastly better idea. Apple can't even open the iPhone to third party developers. In the end, who cares about a good product thats controlled by a stupid company. Like hey, thanks Apple for setting the standard, but too bad you couldn't actually profit enough to justify the entire new division cept as yet another way to wedge advertising and media into the consumer from yet another vendor.

That's it really. The iPhone isn't technology, it's an infrastructure that Apple can provide media with and keep tightly controlled.

It's not about being revolutionary! (5, Insightful)

Man in Spandex (775950) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377099)

Was the iPod revolutionary when it came out? AFAIK the Dell Jukebox was also around at that time when the iPod came out. The difference? Not much when you compare the features. They both had similar battery life, they both played both played music for your ears. Where is the difference then? The Dell Jukebox would make your ears bleed! What I mean is, you don't have to be revolutionary to beat the competition. Just take what others are doing wrong, and do it right, or in a way that you think people will enjoy. The iPod wasn't/isn't successful because of marketing only. It does a great job at being an mp3 player and not a piece of shit that you battle with just to get it working.

What about the iPhone? It's the same concept if you ask me. There are pocket pc's and blackberries that have many features that the iPhone promiss to offer its customers and whatnot. The difference is more in the interface and how you'll use it rather than discovering new features.

I say this cause I see a lot of people commenting on the iphone and saying that "X" and "Y" devices do what the iphone does.

AFAIK, a Geo Metro and a Lexus IS350 can both go from point A to point B and reach the maximum allowed speed limits on (almost) any road you'll be travelling on. The difference is the experience you get out of driving those cars.

Re:It's not about being revolutionary! (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377279)

Was the iPod revolutionary when it came out? AFAIK the Dell Jukebox was also around at that time when the iPod came out. The difference? Not much when you compare the features. They both had similar battery life, they both played both played music for your ears. Where is the difference then? The Dell Jukebox would make your ears bleed! What I mean is, you don't have to be revolutionary to beat the competition. Just take what others are doing wrong, and do it right, or in a way that you think people will enjoy. The iPod wasn't/isn't successful because of marketing only. It does a great job at being an mp3 player and not a piece of shit that you battle with just to get it working.


I think the short version of what you're saying is that Apple is selling elegance. That'll probably be what makes this phone successful. The videos I saw didn't really show me anything 'new'. I have a Treo 700p, for example. I can watch a video on it, get a craving, then hop on over to Google, find a restaraunt, and click the phone number to dial. Whoop-de-doo. The big difference, that is assuming the commercial was in any way accurate, is that they were more streamlined in doing it. Assuming the internet connection isn't too dissimilar on both phones, the iPhone would probably get to that point fairly faster than the Treo. (Although I've read that the iPhone doesn't support the faster data connections that modern phones have, so I find that a bit questionable.)

For me as a Treo owner, the iPhone isn't that super fantabulous. However, I'm sure I'll develop some envy when I see people around the office with their iPhones with their lack of frustration doing the same things I've been doing for the last year. So maybe I'll have one at some point in the next two years. In the mean time, though, I'm still scratching my head and asking the question: What more will it do for me than what I really have? I honestly think that's a variant of the "what's so revolutionary about it?" question. It's a fair question and Apple doesn't really need people running up to its defense with rhetoric about the iPod's success. Let's wait until the phone's in people's hands so they can say: "Here's what I'm doing with it." That's originally what got me interested in plunking down $300 for a Treo. I'm sure it'll work for Apple, too.

mystery app (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19377271)

I love how something simple like a "Games" button for games downloaded from iTunes becomes a "mystery app".

TV (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377311)

Ad was just shown on ESPN during the Sox, yankees game

How To (5, Insightful)

RalphBNumbers (655475) | more than 7 years ago | (#19377313)

I think the "How To" commercial does a pretty good job of showing why I expect the iPhone is going to do well.

They visually explained how to use every major feature of the thing in a 30sec TV spot.

Most people neither know or care about UMTS, or HSDPA, or AGPS, or any of the other high tech acronyms that certain /.ers obsess over having in their phones. But if they can see how an iPhone can be used for all their calls/mail/web/music&movies in 30sec of watching TV, *that* they'll like.

Technology has progressed to the point where a well thought out interface matters more than having the latest and greatest bullet points on a spec sheet some months before the other guy. The bottleneck that needs to be addressed these days isn't generally in the machine, it's often between the user and the machine.
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