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Windows-Based iPhone Rival for Business Users

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-too dept.

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MsManhattan writes "High Tech Computer Corp. (HTC) has unveiled a touch-screen mobile device that offers many of the same features as the iPhone but with an emphasis on business applications vs. entertainment value. The HTC Touch is based on Microsoft's Windows Mobile 6 Professional OS and features a 2.8-inch touch screen offering access to emails, contacts and appointments. But unlike the iPhone, which will feature large internal flash memory capacity for music and movie storage, the HTC Touch offers a microSD drive, and a 1G-byte microSD card comes with the handset."

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Charge! (0, Troll)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398105)

Let the bashing begin!!!!

No where on the net will you find a larger group of hypocrits than on teh slash.

Nice try at first post... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398189)

...but you still suck

Re:Charge! (3, Informative)

nametaken (610866) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398267)

I'll start. My HTC (cingular 8525) is a sliding-keyboard touchscreen phone on WM5. The biggest drawback is that they're monsters, and they're too delicate. For both those reasons, I never put my phone in my pocket, I have to carry it around.

It's so bad, I actually unlocked my old Razr so I'd have something to take out with me at night.

Re:Charge! (2, Interesting)

CharlieHedlin (102121) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398773)

My 8525 took one heck of a crash to a tile floor and the keypad lifted up and the casing seemed bent. I pulled out at the casing (metal) and the keypad popped back into place and the case returned to its normal shape. The phone still works great (except of the occasional glitch (the phone occasionally won't repaint unless I slide the keypad to change the orientation) that seems like software, but the crash happened when the phone was way too new for me to know...)

Its hard to call this device fragile.

I do keep it in a pouch on my belt to protect it from keys and other crap in my pocket.

It plays videos, mp3 files, and all. I used it as a portable device for an Amazon unbox video (that I got on sale using a free unbox credit...) and lost the license when I upgraded the firmware. It is now seen as a different device and used my 2nd license.

Its processor is a little slow for those videos, I need to stick with DRM free video so I can compress it a bit more. I guess it could be the SD card speed as well.

Re:Charge! (2, Interesting)

Amouth (879122) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398797)

i have the 8525 .. i jsut got a nice belt clip for it.. and i don't have to worry about it..

for what it does it is one of the best devices i have bought.. well worth the money

although it is completly point less without the data plan.. the data plan is what makes it shine

Re:Charge! (2, Interesting)

chewedtoothpick (564184) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398925)

My T-Mobile MDA has been dropped more times than I can count and stepped on a couple times. Aside from having to replace the cover for the antenna / camera lens, it has only minor scratches. It works as perfect as the day I bought it.

Either you got a bad phone, or you are performing tasks on the order of attempting to make a call from 100 ft under water without a waterproof cover. A friend's 8525 was recently cracked open while he was in Iraq. He replaced the casing and screen and it worked perfect as of when I saw him this weekend...

Re:Charge! (1)

nietsch (112711) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398451)

Ok, let's see. The logic for the charging process (it features a Lithium-polymer battery) is offloaded to the CPU, so when the inevitable crash comes that leaves the unit hung and the user leaves it in that state, the battery will drain past the safe threshold, ruining its capacity. One bug (and one user mistake)leaves the device unusable...

(this is offcourse pure speculation for those who love that kind of stuff)

Re:Charge! (2, Interesting)

jwthompson2 (749521) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399569)

I have a HTC 8125 (Cingular branded) that I hate. The problems I have aren't so much with the device, although the hardware obviously plays a part, but the God awful software. Windows Mobile just sucks. Maybe Windows Mobile 6 will be better than version 5 on my handset but I am skeptical. I am planning to buy the iPhone sometime after it hits the market if it meets my needs, which my current HTC/Windows Mobile does not. Namely the things that suck worst are the following:

  1. Dialing with the on-screen keypad is horrible, the stupid sidebar of function buttons force the keypad into an area so small I can't use my thumb with it (big thumbs are my fault...)
  2. Certain applications crash the phone inexplicably: Minimo and Midlets most notably which isn't necessarily Microsoft's or HTC's fault.
  3. When sliding the screen over to access the keyboard the change in on-screen orientation is slow and not always reliable. Sometimes I have to slide and close and then slide again to get the phone to figure out what I'm doing. Also, some applications still call up an on-screen keyboard when I have the keypad exposed, that's just dumb.
  4. The built in storage capacity is a joke. Having to add a card for even a reasonable amount of storage is dumb. Would giving me 1-2GB have been so hard?

I am hoping that the iPhone will do correctly what Microsoft and Palm seem to not be able to figure out. Namely I want my iPhone to meet my functional expectations and barring any functional shortfalls the only thing I am waiting to see are the following from AT&T:

  1. What will the actual data plans cost? If they're in-line with MediaNET service then I'm on-board; if its PDA Connect plans then screw that (unless they drop the price).
  2. What about insuring my shiny and expensive phone? Even if AT&T won't cover it I will want somebody to offer me insurance in the case of theft at the very least.
  3. More software! Namely I would like a PDF reader at the very least. An Office document reader would be nice, I don't want or need the ability to create or edit though. I also wouldn't mind a DashCode sort of application so I can develop my own widgets.

iphone killer! (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398147)

come on you need to get these headlines right it is called "iPhone killer" and i predict many more will come out.

Pictures! (3, Funny)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398153)

No pictures or videos?

Anyone else want to bet that the iPhone from Apple blows away this device from High Tech in the asthetics and user interface categories?

I bet they name it something like "S360-X Pearl 1GB."

Re:Pictures! (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398193)

soooo.....what you are saying is they will name it something long and unoriginal, as opposed to something tired and old? Gotcha.

Re:Pictures! (3, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398301)

What is the logic of positioning this new device as an iPhone competitor, anyways? Everybody and their dog makes a smartphone, and it's not as if Apple is an established leader in the market.

Re:Pictures! (3, Insightful)

profplump (309017) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398515)

But it's an established leader in marketing and hype, and it's easier to get people to spread your story about an iPhone competitor than it is to get them to spread the same story without the spin.

Re:Pictures! (4, Informative)

ajanp (1083247) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398369)

Random Pics: HTC Touch [geek.com] iPHONE [gearlog.com]

Re:Pictures! (4, Insightful)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398573)

They STILL don't get it, do they?

Look at that HTC Touch pic. See those two buttons on the bottom? This is proof conclusive, to me anyway, that these guys just don't get it. You have a touch screen for God's sake, why in the world are you still dealing with the "binary choice" UI of old phones? That is absolutely one thing I despise the most about current cell phone UI - they have all adopted the two-button interface. For every menu you are in, there are only ever two choices (unless you want to risk bringing up yet another menu). Sure, this is a limitation due to hardware, so why are we keeping it now that we have the freedom to allow the user to interact in ANY way with the device?

Re:Pictures! (1)

CharlieHedlin (102121) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398831)

They are still constrained by requirements to run Windows Mobile...

Re:Pictures! (2, Insightful)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399039)

Many things require a "yes/no" answer, and more options, while nice, are silly. Sometimes it's nice to have a quick option that you can do by reflex.

Example:

"Save this phone number?"
[yes][no]

vs.

"Save this phone number?"
[yes][no][go to the apple website][go to the microsoft website][eat a burrito]

Re:Pictures! (1)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399315)

Ah, but these binary-choice interfaces are very rarely "yes/no". More often than not they represent two most popular choices out of a much larger menu, except that this doesn't work nearly as well as it sounds when you've got menus were all items are equally used.

Personally I have never seen a "yes/no" presented to me on a cell phone like that.

Besides, if you have a touch screen, there's really no need for other buttons - that yes/no question you need answered can just be two big buttons on the screen.

Re:Pictures! (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399571)

There is no *need* for them, but as I stated in my previous response, they can be a convinience.

Re:Pictures! (5, Interesting)

zhenya00 (972438) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399585)

Well, for anyone who has actually ever tried to use a touch screen in cold weather, with wet or dirty hands, or while driving, there are a TON of reasons why physical buttons (or at least the option of a stylus) are better than a touch screen. This is one aspect of the iphone that I'm really interested to see shake out in the real world.

Re:Pictures! (2, Interesting)

toleraen (831634) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399681)

So what's your solution? How would you design the interface? The 'binary choice' UI is designed that way to conserve precious screen space. After you've added 7 (large) touch screen buttons, where are you going to put the content? Or would the 7 touch screen buttons show up when you activate them? How would you activate them, via a soft key? Many apps make use of the "tap and hold" context menu if you are using the touch screen, so you're not always forced to the two button UI.

The 'common option' | 'menu' setup just plain works well. Hitting the right softkey, then scrolling to my option, pressing in the scroll wheel to make my choice is quick and accurate. The touch screen is there mainly for speed. The soft keys are there for one-handed convenience. Just because I have a touch screen doesn't mean I want to constantly be using it. Leave the soft keys, thanks.

How Sad (1)

ReidMaynard (161608) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399001)

Alone in Paris, FR with no date.

Buyer beware... (0, Troll)

zipoff (62601) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398219)

After having bought a HTC phone (Tmobile Dash/HTC Excalibur) I have vowed to never purchase another HTC product. Within 3 weeks, the screen broke. And not from dropping it or hitting it, but from picking it up off the table. HTC's response? $125 an we will repair it for you, but no guarantee it won't break again. Maybe it was just the Dash that had problems, but if HTC won't stand behind one product, I will stay far away from any of their other products.

Re:Buyer beware... (4, Insightful)

DWIM (547700) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398459)

This is not informative unless you can link to evidence that shows there is a general problem with the product. Your post alone is an anecdote. If, say, 10% of these phones suffer the same problem as yours did, that would be informative. Otherwise, there is no useful information here.

Re:Buyer beware... (1)

zipoff (62601) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398853)

Sorry that I didn't go and call all owners of the Dash/Excalibur and determine the percentage that had their screen break as well before posting. Next time I will do that for you.

You can read through http://www.htcwiki.com/page/T-Mobile+Dash/thread/5 72877/dash+screen+cracked [htcwiki.com] and see some examples of other people having the same problem, or look at some of the other replys that mention they had a screen break on it as well.

mass produced is identical. (0, Troll)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399443)

This is not informative unless you can link to evidence that shows there is a general problem with the product.

As Beavis once told a golfer after stealing his balls, "It's amazing how mass produced objects are so identical as to be virtually indistinguishable." His screen broke, we can expect many more will.

Still, this is only one HTC model and everyone can make a mistake. A far larger mistake is working with M$ [slashdot.org] . There's plenty of evidence about what a bad idea that is, but the Plays for Sure fiasco is best.

Re:mass produced is identical. (1)

dedazo (737510) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399549)

A far larger mistake is working with M$

Unfortunately your "M$" reference is currently modded -1, Troll.

Re:Buyer beware... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19399473)

Interesting, my dash's screen also broke about 1 month after I got it (the LCD cracked, with the outer enclosure not presenting any signs of damage or wear). And I also did not hit it or anything... T-mobile did promptly replace it however.

Re:Buyer beware... (1)

jsebrech (525647) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399871)

This is not informative unless you can link to evidence that shows there is a general problem with the product. Your post alone is an anecdote. If, say, 10% of these phones suffer the same problem as yours did, that would be informative. Otherwise, there is no useful information here.

HTC is known for having low build quality. Most people don't realize this until after they purchase a windows mobile device. I too am an ex-owner of a windows mobile smartphone. The keys stopped functioning properly (and eventually at all) right around the end of my one-year warranty period. I did not do anything unusual with the phone except carry it with me every day.

The major annoyance here is that these phones are very expensive. If you buy something that expensive, it has to last you a long time.

Re:Buyer beware... (2, Informative)

XXeR (447912) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398531)

My MDA (HTC Wizard) has been dropped (HARD once or twice) several times and the worst that happened was one of the tabs for the battery cover snapped off.

Not to mention the awesome support [xda-developers.com] for messing with it.

I LOVE my HTC, but I suppose YMMV.

Re:Buyer beware... (1)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398745)

I had a HTC 6700 (Alltel) and my screen broke because I took it out of my coat pocket. It hadn't had any pressure applied to it, it just broke for no good reason. Thankfully my insurance with Alltel got me a Treo 700wx where I can enjoy real battery life again too.

Re:Buyer beware... (1)

uradu (10768) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398791)

Whatever, most people consider HTC one of the best OEMs period. I've loved most of the hardware that has come from HTC--most of the faults were with Microsoft's crappy OS. But considering the alternatives so far, what can you do?!

Re:Buyer beware... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398951)

My QTek (the name HTC used to sell them under, before starting to sell under the HTC moniker) is a few years old now. Beside several hard falls to street pavement and similar surfaces, it has survived a plunge into the toilet bowl (luckily a clean one before 'other business' was done there) with no more than a few scratches.

The only "problem" I had is that such a hard fall tends to make the battery jump off, and if that happens while the device is powered on, it's almost always factory restore time -- which is solved in 20 minutes by restoring a backup.

You do have sort of a point about not replacing the screen for free while it was still under warranty (I suppose that covered more than 3 weeks), but that's more likely to be the importer or reseller's fault than HTC's.

Interface, not features (5, Insightful)

virgil_disgr4ce (909068) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398223)

I'm going to reiterate what I said yesterday about the iPhone:

It's not features that will make or break a smartphone device as the iPhone comes out, it's the ingenuity of the interface. Just because this has a touch-screen doesn't mean it's going to be a fraction as intuitive or usable for the average person. Windows Mobile is not a platform based on new ideas. --Ted

Price ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398239)

How about an MSRP ? We know what iPhones are going to cost.

Re:Price ? (1)

M-G (44998) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398367)

They say that the manufacturer didn't provide pricing, but say they're currently on sale in the UK. OK, so how about telling us what the UK price is? Some fine reporting there.

Re:Price ? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398589)

It costs 354.95 GBP SIM-free, or nothing with a 12 month / 45 GBP contract. As per www.expansys.com

Re:Price ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398981)

You're mistaking product shilling for reporting.

Re:Price ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19399221)

Nah, that's too sophisticated. You're mistaking a two-bit jobbing reporter who sits on his arse all day sifting crappy newswire reports. Pitty the poor guy!

Picture (5, Informative)

pubjames (468013) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398247)

Here you go [geek.com]

Re:Picture (1)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398875)

I wonder how many people in Paris are actually using Fahrenheit these days, anyways... aside from American tourists with fake iPhones, that is. ;)

More fundamental problem. (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399551)

I wonder how many people in Paris are actually using Fahrenheit these days, anyways... aside from American tourists with fake iPhones, that is. ;)

A better question is if it will work at all in Paris ... or anywhere. The image is an obvious fake for all the reasons you mention and the incompatibility of US / EU phone systems. How about a picture of a real phone?

Ha ha. (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399489)

Ah yes, Microsoft innovates some more ideas from Apple.

Even funnier. (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399629)

I like how they put appointments on the default screen. How cool would it be to whip this thing out and show off your next doctor's appointment? Probably as cool as putting your contacts and calendar on a device owned by a company that admits to data mining and selling information about their customers - the telco and M$. Privacy is impossible without free software.

Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398257)

Why is everything compared to the iphone? Its a phone. With a touchscreen. Why not compare it to a Treo?

Actual product link: (4, Informative)

EnglishTim (9662) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398329)

http://www.htctouch.com/ [htctouch.com]

To be honest, you might as well say all Windows Mobile based phones are iPhone rivals. I would prefer to say it's just a competitor in the smartphone space, as iPhone will be when it arrives.

I own an earlier HTC WM5 smartphone model, and I'm guessing that despite having a new swish frontend, it'll still be not quite as nice to use as the iPhone will be. However, the big draw is that being Windows Mobile based, you'll be able to run any software you want on it without having to go through Apple, unlike the iPhone.

Re:Actual product link: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398849)

I'm guessing that despite having a new swish frontend, it'll still be not quite as nice to use as the iPhone will be.

oh, so you've used the iphone? tell us more.

or are you just showing your apple bias already without even having the product in your hands?

I would prefer to say it's just a competitor in the smartphone space, as iPhone will be when it arrives.

as i see it, iphone is just another smartphone. i don't understand why people are already acting like iphone is something above and beyond what's out there when 99.999% of the public has no experience with the iphone to speak of. maybe it will bring something new to the table. i'd like to think so. but sadly if we were to peel the apple logo off the device, the common apple fanbois would probably just shrug with a look of boredom and say "it's just another phone".

let's face it. just about anyone posting on the web and, even moreso, on slashdot has absolutely no knowledge about the iphone aside from a handful of press releases, fanboi bigotry and fud.

all of this hype is probably going to do more harm to the iphone than good, in the long run.

and some of the posters... (1)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399045)

... are e.e. cummings fanbois.

let's face it. just about anyone posting on the web and, even moreso, on slashdot has absolutely no knowledge about the iphone aside from a handful of press releases, fanboi bigotry and fud.

Ob. question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398985)

Does it run Linux?

Re:Actual product link: (1)

ACMENEWSLLC (940904) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399149)

>>you'll be able to run any software you want on it without having to go through Apple, unlike the iPhone.

That is unless you are with T-Mobile which is locking down their phone's so you can't add software -- per another /. post.

I have the HTC Tornado. First 1 replaced due to bad firmware. Replacement had same issue, and a bad joystick. 3rd one has same issue, but works otherwise. I just gave up, they aren't going to fix the firmware. There are a lot of bugs in the Tornado.

But the pro's far outweigh the cons. I have Google Maps, Skype, IE & Opera w/802.11b so free Internet, Outlook w/OTA AS, and 2GB of memory for MP3's and videos. The device can go to 4GB as long as it's the old MiniSD standard, not the new one.

I'm awaiting the UMPC market to take off. I want Vista tablet edition on my cell phone, 64GB of SSD, Outlook 2007 pro, Bluetooth keyboard/mouse et al. The only vendor that has UMPC and Cellular combined wants $2000US. That will come down.

Re:Actual product link: (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19399449)

That is unless you are with T-Mobile which is locking down their phone's so you can't add software -- per another /. post.

That was a FUD-laden article that was really about Java midlets on a particular feature phone. T-Mobile is far more consumer-friendly than the likes of AT&T, Orange, and Verizon.

Re:Actual product link: (0)

encoderer (1060616) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399375)

"just a competitor in the smartphone space, as iPhone will be when it arrives."

I think the iPhone looks awesome, but it's hardly a smart phone, IMO...

Honesty is the best policy. (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399709)

To be honest, you might as well say all Windows Mobile based phones are iPhone rivals ...

Yes, but this one is an obvious knock off designed to harm the sales of a competitor in another space - desktops. As usual, the M$ PR drones are claiming the HTC is all things iPhone, but it's not [slashdot.org] .

Re:Actual product link: (1)

jsebrech (525647) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399763)

To be honest, you might as well say all Windows Mobile based phones are iPhone rivals. I would prefer to say it's just a competitor in the smartphone space, as iPhone will be when it arrives.

Exactly, this htc touch is no different from previous windows mobile phones with touch screens. You still don't have multi-touch. The only novelty is a front-end app which lets you more easily navigate to specific applications. In itself this is also not new because interfaces like these have been available for pocket pc since the dawn of the platform.

In short: yawn.

iPhone not out yet... (-1, Flamebait)

WaZiX (766733) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398339)

And they talk about iPhone rivals?

Also, I don't think that just having a large touch screen is enough to "rival" against the iPhone, design, usability and prestige are what make Apple products so succesful.

Also, FTA: a Microsoft Windows Mobile 6 Professional OS device

They have a professional version of their mobile OS?

Re:iPhone not out yet... (1)

skeletor935 (790212) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398433)

They have a professional version of their mobile OS?
They have 90 billion versions of their Desktop OS, one could only assume they have several versions of their mobile OS.

Re:iPhone not out yet... (4, Insightful)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398533)

"prestige"

Your kidding me right? Nobel laureates have prestige. Having an apple product which anyone can buy does not give you prestige. In fact I can't think of any generic tech consumer item which would give you any prestige. You know what I think when I see someone with a windows machine, apple, linux, etc. They have a computer good for them how nice.

Re:iPhone not out yet... (1)

VWJedi (972839) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399093)

In fact I can't think of any generic tech consumer item which would give you any prestige.

Did you forget about the World's Most Expensive Mp3 Player [slashdot.org] ?

Re:iPhone not out yet... (1)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399297)

Nice. In that case though it's the money which gives the prestige not the actual item. If someone created the worlds largest turn and covered it in diamonds and it sold for $50 million what would be the prestige factor: the fact you have 50 million dollars you can spend on the turn covered in diamonds or that you have a turd covered in diamonds (might be a close call). Lol.

A $500 generic consumer tech toy however isn't going to earn you must prestige.

Re:iPhone not out yet... (1)

VWJedi (972839) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399631)

In that case though it's the money which gives the prestige not the actual item.

Isn't that always the case?

Re:iPhone not out yet... (1)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399829)

I guess it boils down to: prestige due to your actions (cure cancer, charity work, take a one man business globally in a few years) vs. prestige because you have money to buy stuff.

Look at the google guys. From nothing to billionaires, may years hard work, etc. Versus say ....Paris Hilton. Both have money....though the mean sin which they got it I think would dictate their prestige, respect, whatever.

But in regards to the GP though, in my opinion, apple products don't have prestige. They don't give you prestige. But hey whatever works for other people

Re:iPhone not out yet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19399843)

You misunderstand the grandparent. Apple products have "prestige", they do not confer "prestige".

Re:iPhone not out yet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19399919)

My Cray Y-MP doesn't give me prestige?

Re:iPhone not out yet... (1)

pr0nin (838337) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398833)

They have a professional version of their mobile OS?

Professional = pocket pc (pda with touch screen)
Standard = smart phone aka "candy bar"

Re:iPhone not out yet... (5, Funny)

MatchbooksAndSarcasm (1111757) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398867)

Windows Mobile, because who ever said that only desktop devices should have to be hard-rebooted on a daily basis?

Re:iPhone not out yet... (2, Funny)

wezeldog (982156) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399127)

Yeah. It's recommended you run at least that instead of the MS Windows Mobile Home Edition that has fewer features...

Personally I run MS Windows Mobile Media Center Live Ultimate 2007.

iPhone and expandability (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398383)

The summary implies that the iPhone won't have a memory slot for expansion, which would be a huge mistake. In the 1.5 years since I bought my digital camera, 1GB cards have gone from high-end to almost disposable (which is fantastic!), and I now have a cheap 4GB card for my PocketPC which wasn't even available when the PocketPC was manufactured.

Is the iPhone memory not expandable?

Re:iPhone and expandability (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399275)

As far as anybody knows, it isn't sadly.

Devil is in the details (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398391)

OK, so we're going to see a half a bazillion touch screen phone/mp3/organizers come out in the next year and each and every one will be compared to the iphone (and of course be labeled as "iphone killers"). What will be interesting to see is if any of them can really capture the essence of what has made Apple so successful, and that is attention to detail (and a decent marketing campaign, and good timing). All these devices at first blush seem like they could fit the bill. However, Apple has been the best at combining functionality with usability with cool to give their products a certain gestalt that most others have yet to come close to. Of course, no one really has used the iphone yet, so we don't even know if the iphone will be an iphone killer, time will tell.

C'mon (3, Insightful)

u-bend (1095729) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398411)

You know, it's pretty easy to get tired of the direction that some here always try pushing a conversation that has anything to do with Apple. Yes, I like Apple machines. But that's because the accomplish for me what I want them to do, with ease. If they looked (and here's where the style-over-substance folks get it wrong) like a pile of dump, I'd still use them. If the reverse were true (they look as they do, but don't deliver the goods that I need), I'd never have bought my last one just to have a brushed-metal two grand doorstop. And yes, I do use non-mac stuff too. In fact I have a highly useful Linux box at home, that looks, from the outside, well, like a pile of beige dump.

I guess what I'm saying, is that it's not too useful to immediately start making fun of the iPhone with the substance argument, in a discussion that's about a different product. We've seen the picture now, thanks to a previous poster. Let's talk about that--looks pretty nice, wouldn't buy it for personal use, wouldn't buy an iPhone either. /rant

Re:C'mon (1)

catbutt (469582) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398859)

I'm not sure why liking the looks of something, and factoring that into your decision, should be something to be ashamed of. The key point is that it is factored in, not that it is everything.

I mean, I'm not going to date a girl that's dumb as a box of rocks and can't hold a conversation, but I'm not going to date her if she is ugly either. It doesn't have to be one or the other, aesthetics factors in and so do other things. Same for a phone, vehicle, operating system, clothing, furniture, etc.

Re:C'mon (1)

u-bend (1095729) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399019)

Valid point. For my mom, the iMac's design and scarcity of wires are more important than the horsepower. But for me, the cool design of my G5 tower is only a bonus, not a necessity. I'm gratified by its design, but not wowed. I was merely juxtaposing the two extreme points. Unlike the girl argument though (I appreciate your honesty, by the way, and reluctantly agree), I would consider buying a butt-ugly computer that did exactly everything mine did.

Another thing that I thought about though while reading your post, is that my argument doesn't apply as well to the phone thing, and yours does better, for the simple fact that even I wouldn't want to carry around a totally heinous-looking phone.

One question (3, Funny)

Aqua_boy17 (962670) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398489)

Is it available in brown?

Apple (penis) Envy Non Starter. (0, Troll)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398527)

Let me guess, it "squirts" dissapearing conversations and email at people who walk by, but only if they have the same model phone. Microsoft's inability to compete outside the beige box is matched only by their pathetic desperation to do so. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict they name it the phune.

The summary says it all and I'm not going to bother looking at the pictureless article. "emphasis on business applications" is a fine way to say crippling the device with something from M$ robs it of ergonomics, stability, response time and ability. A good email application is not a good excuse for the device to not be able to play music and movies.

But they do make up for entertainment value in the software name, "Microsoft's Windows Mobile 6 Professional OS." What a mindless mouthfull. You have remind people it's for professionals or they won't suffer so willingly. For bling factor, they need to subdivide into versions like "Home", "Business", and a heavy metal extra expensive version like "Platinum" or "DU". I always love it when they have a "Home Professional."

HTC works for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398577)

I dunno, I purchased a HTC JasJar at PDC2005. It's been around the world a couple of times with me. No issues except one battery replacement.

Talk about life imitating art... (5, Funny)

Basilius (184226) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398591)

...this plays straight into the whole "Hi, I'm a Mac. And I'm a PC" ads. In fact, it fits so well it smells like a joke.

"iPhone is to much fun to get work done. We must have a windows-based 'business' equivalent."

Please. Enough already.

Usability, resolution, memory... (1, Insightful)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398603)

Who do I trust to make a slick usable media playing phone, Apple, or HTC? Well, HTC's hype site for the phone showed me nothing but a progress bar for 10 seconds, then asked me (in English) if I wanted to read the site in English. Not a good start!

What's the Spec like? Half the screen resolution of the iPhone, and 1/4 the memory?

I'll pass on this one, thanks.

So what's new? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398629)

HTC has been making these devices for some years (and several models mith touch screen PLUS slide-out alphanumeric keyboard).

Now that Saint Jobs has something similar (let's call it by its true name: iMitation), it suddenly becomes worth a /. discussion?

Rival? (4, Funny)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398689)

You misspelled "iPhone Killer"...

And since it isn't even out yet, I guess that would be an iPhone Aborter.

HTC : bad software impl on top of good hardware ? (2, Interesting)

testman123 (1111753) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398695)

HTC have tremendous hardware. Those guys are brilliant, really.

But, there is a really huge problem with HTC. Those guys have crappy software : bad piggy translation, NDA Legacy APIs, little Java support (almost no JSR supported !), little upgrade program.

Translation is not acceptable, I know it is not blocking stuff. But when you pay high price for some high end phone you expect it to be "high quality" as well and this include your ability to use it in your native language. One example : In french, they translate the button "call" (to call somebody) into "parler" (french for "speak"). This sounds very weird in French language context.

NDA Legacy API blocks people (read /.ers) to improve/extend their phone capabilities. For instance, get rid of the crappy camera software and brind their own replacement software [ateksoft.com] . But with HTC policy, you have to pay big bucks and sign a NDA to get a documented API !!!! Or you have to do it "da real 1337 wayz" which means glue/ducktape and uggly stuffs.

Bad Java support, means that even if they are usually embeding a MIDP compatible Virtual Machine, they do not offer any JSR support. This means : no camera support, no bluettoth support, etc ! What is the use of having a bluetooth & camera phone if you can not run application that use those features ?

Minimum upgrade program, means, that once you buy a HTC phone you have high probability to stuck foreever with the curret version & revision of the OS you have bought. This means : bugs, security flaws included. An example of this, the award winning HTC Magician (also known as QTek S100) was offered no WM5 upgrade program. I mean, owners/customers willing to pay lot of money to upgrade. But the manufacturer does not care to propose a deal. Should we force to by a new handset to get a new OS ? I am questioned ...

So until HTC fits those lacks, I am sorry to say, any WM poweruser should keep away from HTC phones and move to other manufacturers that offers better products.

Patent application diagram... (1)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398705)

... is here. [dsokids.com]

Can't Remove Battery? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398735)

It seems that any other mobile phone on the market, there are plenty of options for battery replacements that can be easily replaced to the phone.

Why develop a product like this (or the iPhone - which contain high speed internet, larger color screen, and mobile phone features) in which you cannot easily replace the battery after the "built-in" battery decides it doesn't want to hold a charge anymore?

Re:Can't Remove Battery? (1)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399533)

remember the ipod battery issues? Apple finally gave in and allowed (for a fee) people to replace the batteries. If I remember right there are ipod battery replacement kits now. The same will follow for the iphone.

It is a rechargeable battery. Remember to completely kill it once in a while. With the ipod, run it till the battery dies and the unit turns off. Then keep turning it on till it will not turn on. Then charge it until it says it has a full charge. Then kill the battery all the way again. Remember to not keep the item charging all the time. I have found that this shortens the running time (with the laptop, ipod, and cell phone anyway). I have been doing this with all the rechargeable thing I have (cell phones, ipod, laptops, cordless drills, even the rc cars from way back). You lose the use of the device for a while. But the battery stays alive. Things I use often (cell phone, ipod, laptop) get done every 6-7 months. The drills about once a year.

Videos of the device in action... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19398741)

Here [theunwired.net] are a couple videos of the device in action. Looks pretty pathetic to me. The rotating menu screen effect is kinda cool, but the menus it displays look awful and you keep getting dropped into the Windows Mobile interface and apps which kills any hope of making the device feel truly slick and integrated.

Just Wondering (3, Funny)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398761)

Can you assemble a grid of them into a coffee table?

QVGA! (4, Informative)

ricklow (124377) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398771)

The screen resolution of the HTC device is only QVGA: 320 x 240. The iPhone is 320 x 480 (half VGA). This is a major difference in usability.

After trying to switch from a Palm TX (320 x 480) to a Windows Mobile QVGA PDA, one thing that stopped me was the beautiful screen on the Palm vs. the QVGA on the WM5 device.

Still no "iPhone killer" (3, Funny)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398789)

From TFA:

"..device designed with one-touch screen.."

Not exactly the same as the iPhone. At least I can finally give microsoft "the finger", literally.

HTC sucks (1)

Proto23 (931154) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398823)

I got two HTC models and both suck. Especially at battery life. They do get better with each version, but they are a long way from being handy. Also Internet connectivity is really bad.

Re:HTC sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19399475)

I've got a HTC-made phone too (a QTek 9090), use it more as PPC than as phone these days. And why? Because its battery life (on-time with backlight) is TWICE that of my Dell Axim and my iPaq (both from about the same period as the QTek).

I do admit that turning on BlueTooth on the QTek reduces its standby time by at least 3/4, but that's still more than 24 hours, more than enough (unless you're a heavy caller) if you just hook it up to its charger each night before going to sleep.

Call time: the longest phone call I ever made on it was 1 hour and 45 minutes, and that was starting with a battery that was already half empty.

No. Thank you, But I wait for OpenMoko... (0, Offtopic)

GeneralEmergency (240687) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398975)

I for one, am absolutely sick and tired of having to struggle with cell phone UIs written by corporate cell software fashionistas who must actually get some sick thrill from knowing all the frustration their work product will cause.

Free your Phone!

http://www.openmoko.org/ [openmoko.org]

Re:No. Thank you, But I wait for OpenMoko... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19399377)

Also the openmoko has a full vga screen. The second release version should have wifi b/g, bigger battery & more onboard memory. This is likely not going to be released in the near future, but it is a completely open device, allowing for unprecedented control of your phone.

This device isn't multi-touch (4, Insightful)

arsheive (609065) | more than 7 years ago | (#19398983)

So how is it going to rival the iPhone? From htc.com: "Building on its rich ten year history of mobile phone innovations, the HTC Touch(TM) represents extensive research and development and the conviction that fingertip control will enable more efficient, natural and intuitive touch screen navigation. The groundbreaking HTC Touch(TM) offers a new and unique way of controlling touch screen-based devices by recognising and responding to the sweep of a finger across the screen. It is even intelligent enough to distinguish between finger and stylus input and then respond accordingly." So it has some nice features allowing the user to use single-touch more effectively. This does not come close to the wow factor and the _crazy_ levels of input freedom provided by a multi-touch interface.

Re:This device isn't multi-touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19399395)

How exactly do you take advantage of multi-touch without first setting the device down on a table? Unless you have three hands, that is.

At Windows the BSOD goes in (0, Flamebait)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399189)

before the physical product goes out!

And that is a Feature, not a bug ...

HTC is why I'm unexcited about the iPhone. (0, Redundant)

argent (18001) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399231)

That, and my experience with the Macbook Pro and its embroyonic multi-touch support.

Multi-touch is a poor replacement for real keys and buttons, and real buttons is what the HTC phone and the iPhone both lack. Multitouch might make the iPhone might suck slightly less than the HTC device, but anyone who's really interested in getting a good cellphone... as opposed to a poor-to-middling PDA with a cellphone in it... would be well advised to look elsewhere.

at least the summary didn't say "iphone killer" (1)

hxnwix (652290) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399245)

Nonetheless, it remains a huge flaming advertisement / troll.

Touch or Multitouch? (2, Interesting)

Myopic (18616) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399587)

Is it touch or multitouch? Because those are not nearly the same thing. Multitouch is a much much more complicated (to implement) yet intuitive (to use) interface, and really is the whole reason for the iPhone brouhaha.

One look (2, Insightful)

Tom (822) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399947)

One look at a picture is enough to convince me that this is no competitor because they (MS, and the MS Mobile devision) simply still don't get it.

Why? There's the "Start" bar right up on the screen. Aside from the 12-year-old nonsense of the start menu itself, the bar takes up precious screen estate all the time. On a desktop screen, that's a nuissance. On a mobile screen where every pixel counts, it plain out sucks.

More importantly: It's a brilliant indicator for the mindset. MS insists on cluttering the screen with its logo and a couple status icons. Apple builds as if they wanted to actually use the thing.

Be careful (0, Troll)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399957)

It wasn't a good idea to post this story, Zonk. Beware the wrath of iPhone fans.

I wrote about my xv6700 Windows Mobile smart phone -- which has most if not all of the features of an iPhone -- in an earlier post [slashdot.org] , and was modded down as a troll by the fanatics.

Previous HTC phones... (1)

Sevenfeet (657415) | more than 7 years ago | (#19399967)

I own an HTC phone, specifically the Cingular 8125 from last year. The new Touch replaces it and the 8525 model that came after the 8125. The 8125 is a Windows Mobile 5 Pocket PC device. Having used this thing for several months, I'm confident in proclaiming my phone as a flaming bag of poo. The design is terrible...the dial buttons are too easy to push and if the phone is unlocked, it's real easy for the phone to dial people by itself while its in your hip holster. And I've had phone calls cut off if the hang-up button is accidentally pressed while in the hip holster. The Windows interface is a poor paradigm for handheld computing...devices like this were not made for pull down menus. It crashes...a lot. Pocket Internet Explorer is a complete waste of time....buggy and almost unusable. The only two things my phone is good for is push mail (where my company wrote a specific client) and my Slingbox client. I'd be really pissed if I had to pay full price for this thing (thank you steep company discount).
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