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MacBook Pro Gets Santa Rosa Chipset, LED Screen

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the well-isn't-that-special dept.

Portables (Apple) 452

frdmfghtr writes "TechNewsWorld is reporting that Apple has updated the MacBook Pro line with the Santa Rosa chipset from Intel. In addition, Apple is also introducing mercury-free displays with some models. 'When Apple presented new editions of its MacBook line last month, the company excluded the latest Intel Centrino chips, dubbed "Santa Rosa," which had been released just days prior. The chips have found their way into Apple's new high-end MacBook Pro notebooks, which the company revealed Tuesday. Certain models use mercury-free displays, falling in line with the company's recent ecological promises.'"

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452 comments

How about... (5, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 7 years ago | (#19409933)

...a link to the actual MacBook Pro web page [apple.com] and specifications [apple.com] , since that's what people here probably care about, as opposed to a "TechNewsWorld" article being the only thing linked in the summary?

Also, while Apple folks and other tech-savvy folks may know the Intel-based Macs run Windows, why does the news article not even mention that? For many people even considering buying a Mac, the fact that a laptop like this can easily run Windows natively or seamlessly alongside Mac OS X with packages like Parallels Desktop [parallels.com] at least bears repeating.

Re:How about... (5, Informative)

alxbtk (1009019) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410053)

Yeah it can run windows, and it's also the first Mac to get a DirectX10 compatible GPU (Nvida 8600 here) which could be a good thing for gamers.

Re:How about... (0, Troll)

iMac Were (911261) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410489)

a good thing for gamers.
On a Mac they're caled gaymers. Having said that, they're pretty rare.

Re:How about... (0)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410599)

But if you're running games, why are you using a laptop. I can understand using a laptop for a couple simple games, but if you're really hardcore into games, then why wouldn't you get a full sized computer.

Re:How about... (5, Funny)

Paradox (13555) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410799)

But if you're running games, why are you using a laptop.

I can't speak for you or the grandparent post's author, but I like to leave the house occasionally. A laptop is a good decision for people who occasionally stand, walk, or otherwise engage in self-locomotion.

I can understand using a laptop for a couple simple games,

I try to stick to the simple things, like World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, Quake 4, etc.

but if you're really hardcore into games, then why wouldn't you get a full sized computer.

All that snarkiness aside, I am really into games, so I did exactly what you said. Powerful system, peripherals, and huge monitor. It's called my Wii, PS3, and my HD television. :)

Re:How about... (1)

smitty97 (995791) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410889)

I can't speak for you or the grandparent post's author, but I like to leave the house occasionally. A laptop is a good decision for people who occasionally stand, walk, or otherwise engage in self-locomotion.
You must be new here. (Your low ID# suggests otherwise!)

Re:How about... (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410837)

Yeah it can run windows, and it's also the first Mac to get a DirectX10 compatible GPU (Nvida 8600 here) which could be a good thing for gamers.

It's only a good thing for gamers who are willing to run Vista. That leaves a whole lot of us out, until we're able to run DirectX10 on Windows XP (which I expect will happen sooner than most think).

Re:How about... (-1, Flamebait)

cnettel (836611) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410091)

Two words: Right button.

Re:How about... (1)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410131)

Argh.

I even had a sentence in my post about the fact that the only thing you could even say this thing was missing for a general purpose laptop was a physical right mouse button on the laptop itself, and then deleted it, thinking we were beyond constantly carping about that.

I must be new here!

Re:How about... (5, Informative)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410199)

Serioulsy, does anyone even really miss it these day? Tapping on the touchpad with two fingers for a right-click really does not make me miss a second button.

Re:How about... (1)

TheBig1 (966884) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410299)

I personally find that easier (PB G4 with iScroll software) than using the right button on the trackpad (on my work Dell). YMMV.

Cheers

Re:How about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19410477)

Does the two finger right-click work in windows?

Re:How about... (1)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410825)

It does in Parallels, but not (yet?) in Boot Camp. In Boot Camp you can put two fingers on the touch pad and click the mouse button to perform a right-click. Two finger scrolling works however.

Re:How about... (1)

toQDuj (806112) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410815)

I don't even miss the right mouse button on my PB G4, which happens not to have the double tap option. I always found it strenuous to reach underneath the palm, and sometimes accidentally hit it with the palm itself.

That said, having the ctrl-click reserved for the right mouse button does mean that photoshop and illustrator shortcuts work a little less intuitive. You know, when you know one of the keys, option click or whatever, would get you the function you desire, you miss and control click and BAM! there is your popup menu..

B.

Re:How about... (2, Insightful)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410135)

"Also, while Apple folks and other tech-savvy folks may know the Intel-based Macs run Windows, why does the news article not even mention that?"

How come they don't mention they come with iLife? How come they don't mention the OS has a *nix underbelly? How come they don't mention that Macs plug into the wall?

Perhaps Apple itself wants to position its hardware away from Windows and being "PC-like." Perhaps it's not relevant to the discussion regarding a simple hardware revision. Perhaps that comment is just a desire to see any Apple news be a commercial.

Re:How about... (2, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410267)

How come they don't mention they come with iLife?

The article does mention that.

"the notebooks come with [...] iLife '06. iLife '06 includes Apple's next-generation digital lifestyle applications: iPhoto, iMovie HD, iDVD, GarageBand and iWeb."

How come they don't mention the OS has a *nix underbelly?

Because that's not relevant to the much, much larger number and percentage of people who might have casually considered Mac OS X and Apple hardware, might not yet understand these things can easily run Windows or any other x86 OS. Yes: people who might have at times considered a switch might not understand one of the most aspects of the Intel-based Macs: not having to give up the applications you may still need on Windows, and finally being able to do it in a practical, usable way.

How come they don't mention that Macs plug into the wall?

They actually do. Twice.

"All models include [...] Apple's MagSafe power adapter [...]"

"[...] the MagSafe Power Adapter [...]"

Perhaps Apple itself wants to position its hardware away from Windows and being "PC-like."

Uh, this isn't from "Apple". It's from a tech publication.

Which is the point.

Perhaps it's not relevant to the discussion regarding a simple hardware revision.

By that standard, nearly everything that is actually mentioned in the article is even less relevant.

Perhaps that comment is just a desire to see any Apple news be a commercial.

The fact that you even say that proves my point that the fact that Intel-based Macs can run Windows is kind of an important element in the decision of many purchasers. In fact, mentioning that it has the capability to easily run Windows makes it less of an Apple "commercial", by all of the previous wildly contradictory comments you made.

If you're going to troll, at least do a decent job of it, or at a minimum RTFA, and try to hide your jealousy a little while you're at it.

Terrible. F.

Re:How about... (0, Flamebait)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410515)

"Uh, this isn't from 'Apple'. It's from a tech publication."

Which is MY point. The site isn't a consumer's guide. Being able to run Windows isn't unique to the MacBook Pro on the Apple line. Would a consumer not know it can run Windows? Maybe... but I certainly don't expect every single article about a hardware revision to include it.

There isn't even a conference or "special event" regarding this. I can still see this as being news, but for drooling fanboy action there's plenty going on over there where the iPhone display is standing.

As far as RTFA, when the first line reads:
"MacBook Pro has received its latest periodic makeover, making the machine faster, leaner and greener, the company announced Tuesday."

the tone has been set. Is it too much to ask that they at least PRETEND to distance themselves? Let's not turn a good revision on a great product into a circle-jerk, shall we?

I for one do NOT welcome our new commercials-as-news overlords.

Re:How about... (1)

Niten (201835) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410195)

Also, while Apple folks and other tech-savvy folks may know the Intel-based Macs run Windows, why does the news article not even mention that? For many people even considering buying a Mac, the fact that a laptop like this can easily run Windows natively or seamlessly alongside Mac OS X with packages like Parallels Desktop at least bears repeating.

And why doesn't every article about a new Sony or Lenovo machine mention that it is not only capable of running Windows, but Linux and OpenBSD as well?

I get what you're saying, but it strikes me that this article does well to concisely detail the hardware and software features of the new machines which are most relevant to the current Macintosh crowd. It is not TechNewsWorld's duty to try to sell more Macs by expounding on each facet of their feature sets to every type of potential customer: that's Apple's job.

Re:How about... (1)

speaker of the truth (1112181) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410273)

And why doesn't every article about a new Sony or Lenovo machine mention that it is not only capable of running Windows, but Linux and OpenBSD as well?
Because the amount of people that use Windows pales in comparison with the amount of people who use Linux and OpenBSD, as such the amount of people interested in whether or not a machine can run Windows is of interest to far more people.

It is not TechNewsWorld's duty to try to sell more Macs
Funny, I thought it was TechNewsWorld's duty, or at least aim, to expound on facets that their readers will be interested in. I guess that isn't as important as mentioning iChat AV is bundled with the Mac.

Re:How about... (3, Funny)

Niten (201835) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410305)

Because the amount of people that use Windows pales in comparison with the amount of people who use Linux and OpenBSD

For a moment, you made me think I was having a really good dream...

Re:How about... (1)

pkphilip (6861) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410241)

Does windows run on the santarosa chipset? The chipset on the older Macbook Pros is supported on windows, but I am not sure about this new Santarosa chipset.

Re:How about... (2, Informative)

Niten (201835) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410503)

Yes, Santa Rosa is just the codename for Intel's next-generation Centrino platform: Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

Re:How about... (0)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410247)

Also, while Apple folks and other tech-savvy folks may know the Intel-based Macs run Windows, why does the news article not even mention that?


This is Slashdot, not Digg.

Re:How about... (4, Insightful)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410263)

Also, while Apple folks and other tech-savvy folks may know the Intel-based Macs run Windows, why does the news article not even mention that? ...bears repeating.

Oh, come on. Anyone even remotely considering buying a Mac can read all about its ability to run Windows programs on Apple's website. Given the fact that all new Macs have been able to do this for a year and a half now, it's not exactly news anymore. And it's not as if there has been a shortage of coverage of this ability, either. There's a difference between "bears repeating" and "repeating ad nauseam".

Re:How about... (3, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410301)

But saying that the laptop comes with Mac OS X, Safari, and iLife is important?

This is the single biggest factor in new Mac purchases at my institution, and many other settings.

Whether it comes with iDVD and GarageBand and iCal is not in the least.

And many, many people still don't fully understand that, yes, it really, really can run Windows. And yes, your Windows app will really, really work. Yes, even that one. Yes, really.

Wouldn't you agree that warrants at least a sentence alongside all the other drivel in the article?

Re:How about... (4, Informative)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410747)

And many, many people still don't fully understand that, yes, it really, really can run Windows. And yes, your Windows app will really, really work. Yes, even that one. Yes, really.

That is very true. People don't understand Virtualization and Confuse it with Emulation. Emulators tend to have a lot of problems with compatibiliy because anything that the programmer didn't think of will not work. Virtualization is having the program run nativly and only emulating a few Low Level calls (Memory Containment, Video, Hardware). So if it request some strange opt-code from the processor the processor will nativly handle it, as well the other OS is running so unlike Wine which translate system calls to the host OS. Virtualization handles the OS's System Calls. But historically before Mac Going Intel Everything needed to be Emulated so some stuff didn't work or work well.

As for boot camp people don't understand where the Hardware code stops and the OS begins. Some people think boot camp is Windows Running on Top of OS X (Like a single user virutalization) Leaving resources reserved for OS X to keep it alive. All boot camp does is work as a boot loader for Windows and once windows is loaded Windows has full control of your system.

Re:How about... (2, Informative)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410653)

Some new news then... Parallels 3 is coming out soon yes-you-heard-rightparallels-desktop-30 [blogspot.com] . Here's the new feature /. readers probably care about most:

3D Graphics: You asked for it, and we delivered. Kick around your favorite Windows-only OpenGL and DirectX games and apps in a virtual machine on your Mac, without shutting down OS X!


Re:How about... (1)

xzvf (924443) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410399)

It also runs Linux natively. Maybe we should mention that also.

Slashdot gets day old news story (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19409935)

Anyone who has any interest in this already read it elsewhere.

Re:Slashdot gets day old news story (1, Troll)

qortra (591818) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410847)

This has always been the case. But, sane people don't come to Slashdot to get bleeding edge news. They come to Slashdot for the discussion and the comments. Make all the jokes you like about trolls and idiots and "you must be new here" rhetoric, but Slashdot is still probably the finest moderated discussion system on the net. I mean, compare the comments here to those on Digg. No comparison whatsoever. Digg always attracts the most immature and badly thought through comments on the net. Worst of all, many of the really bad ones manage to survive within viewing threshold. It's a mess.

On the other hand, Slashdot moderation is quite good. You can witness the power of this system yourself as moderators mod your inane comment down below viewing threshold.

Must...resist...first-gen...hardware.... (1)

slyborg (524607) | more than 7 years ago | (#19409947)

But it sure sounds schweet.....

Re:Must...resist...first-gen...hardware.... (3, Insightful)

Aoreias (721149) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410065)

Macbook Pro's have been out for over a year now, and after Intel's flaw with the Pentium FPU, they've gotten very good about formally verifying their processors. It's hard to call it first-gen hardware by now.

Apple surrenders? (-1, Troll)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#19409975)

From TFS "Apple is also introducing mercury-free displays with some models." This is the first wave of new green-friendly products from Apple following their surrender to greenpeace [greenpeace.org] .

Well done Greenpeace (with Apple's partnership) for bringing us these mercury-free displays.

Well done Apple for committing to a timeline to eliminate BFRs & PVCs!

Dear lord (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410017)

This was in Apple's plans way before the terrorist orginization known as 'GreenPeace' posted their statement.

Re:Dear lord (2, Insightful)

mypalmike (454265) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410783)

the terrorist orginization known as 'GreenPeace'

They're obviously terrorists because they target civilian populations with brutal weaponry.

Oh wait, they don't do that.

Re:Apple surrenders? (0)

Mockylock (1087585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410097)

Apple didn't hate music DRM until everyone complained about Microsoft's DRM. In fact, they had plans to do it themselves. Then they said it was bad after all the bad comments about it.

Re:Apple surrenders? (1)

Thrudheim (910314) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410625)

Accounts are that Apple has long been telling the major labels that DRM is not workable from the beginning. For evidence to this point, look no further than EMI's CEO, who stated that they knew Steve Jobs' views on DRM long before his open letter calling for DRM-free music. From the press conference where Jobs and Eric Nicoli announced the deal:

"Q: It's a pretty radical step, Eric. How did you reach the decision to do it? Was it Steve Jobs' letter that convinced you? Was it the internal surveys you've done? What was the moment in which you said, "Damn it, we're gonna go DRM-free?" And will the extra sales be enough to compensate for the declining physical sales?

A: We've always known Steve's view on the subject, long before his open letter."

The full transcript is here: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/04/02/jobs _talks_new_itunes_functions_drm_and_video_ipod_sto rage_transcript.html [appleinsider.com]

Re:Apple surrenders? (5, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410099)

Apple didn't "surrender" to Greenpeace.

Apple simply issued a statement about its product environmental plans, among other things.

Numerous other vendors were "greener" by Greenpeace standards because they had a public "environmental plan", or even a "plan to have a plan", whereas Apple was silent on futures as it relates to future products, as it always is.

Perhaps Jobs thought it pragmatic to offer its plan publicly so that it would stop getting hammered by Greenpeace as having one of the worst environmental commitments in the industry, when in reality it has one of the best (sure, sure, cue the "but so-and-so is better/first/whatever than Apple is such-and-such category" comments). And besides, I thought it was actions, not lip service about possible future directions, that actually mattered?

But the bottom line is Apple didn't "surrender"; it just published what its already-existing environmental plans were. If you call that a "surrender", then, hey, wave the white flag, Apple.

Re:Apple surrenders? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19410361)

"Blah blah, Apple can do no wrong Blah Blah"

FYP.

Do you Apple fangirls know how pathetic you sound? Other groups have their vocal populations, but Apple fangirls are by far the most in need of validation for their moronic decision to overspend on an inferior product.

Greenpeace attacks the wrong folks, again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19410169)

Once again, Greenpeace is behind the ball, irrelevant, and baggage dragging down one of the companies that did something right. And then they try to take credit, where they're the problem. Fuck Greenpeace.

Whiney Mac Fanboy surrenders? (1)

empaler (130732) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410181)

This is the first comment by Whiney Mac Fanboy following his surrender to the Greenpeace propaganda.

Re:Apple surrenders? (2, Insightful)

speaker of the truth (1112181) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410421)

Aaah, you must be an American. For it is only an American who is guided by his leader [wikipedia.org] that could find anything wrong with people who dare to place pressure on corporations to be more environmentally friendly. The reason you're leader is so recklessly willing to endanger the environment is because his riches come from oil, a terrible source of pollution.

So continue on with your anti-environment trolling, I am sure your president appreciates` your efforts, consumer.

Re:Apple surrenders? (2, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410731)

I can find plenty wrong with a company that places pressure on corporations to do what they know they already planned to do just to score sonme political points.

Greenpeace stopped being about the environment years ago.

Re:Apple surrenders? (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410763)

So continue on with your anti-environment trolling, I am sure your president appreciates` your efforts, consumer.
I guess you read his statements as sarcasm. My systems could be miscalibrated today, but I thought he meant his comments ("well done, Greenpeace", etc.) to be taken at face value.

updated features (3, Informative)

swissfondue (819240) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410041)

30-40 minutes estimated additional real battery life for the 15". Although apple isn't saying if most of the additional power saving is coming from the LED-backlit screen.

Re:updated features (4, Informative)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410387)

it's not just from the screen. santa rosa can slow down the whole bus, not just the CPU, making more power saving.

Screw santa rosa (1)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410047)

I don't believe in Santa anyway

How about color quality? (4, Interesting)

J. T. MacLeod (111094) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410063)

I'm incredibly excited at the prospect of an LED display. Not only would the lighting be easier on the eyes, but lower-power and safer.

As some one who's concerned with color correction, though, I wonder how accurate and vivid are the colors on these new screens. I'm not ordering one to find out.

Re:How about color quality? (4, Informative)

TheBig1 (966884) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410133)

I am very interested in this as well, and have been looking around various photo forums for the past few weeks (in expectation of this announcement). The general consensus seems to be that the color gamut is superior on LED displays than traditional ones; whether this first generation one will work this way we'll have to wait and see...

However, from what I understand, the iPod screens have been LED based for some time; while I don't have one myself, from what I've seen the colors are very nice on them.

Take that as you will 8-)

Cheers

Re:How about color quality? (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410657)

You do realize its still and LCD screen. Just LEDs powering the backlight?

Re:How about color quality? (1)

J. T. MacLeod (111094) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410793)

Yes, I do. The color temperature of the backlight will have a direct impact on the visible color, though.

Re:How about color quality? (4, Interesting)

jddj (1085169) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410749)

Color Guru Andrew Rodney [digitaldog.net] has said in several online fora that the wider gamut of LED-illuminated monitors is not necessarily a good thing. A wider gamut does not necesarily mean a larger gamut.

If that doesn't make intuitive sense to you, think about this example: You place 5 stones in a straight line on the ground at 1-foot intervals. Now pick them up and place the same 5 stones at 2-foot intervals. You've created a wider figure, but have not increased the number of stones - the figure still has the same number of intervals.

If each of the stones in the above example represents a shade of color, then simply widening the gamut without providing additional color resolution - more than eight bits per color channel, for example - will not display additional color information, and in fact will worsen the display's performance at reproducing the smaller gamut of the sRGB colorspace (the assumed colorspace for Windows machines and most digital cameras).

If this is yet-another 6-bit display, this situation will be even worse

I'm definitely the target buyer for this machine, but am cautiously sitting on my hands, awaiting word from the color-management community on how it fares, and to see if Apple has finally fixed the battery and other problems that have dogged the MacBook Pro line.

LED Screen (5, Funny)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410079)

Yeah, have fun taking your MacBook Pro to Boston :-)

Zones (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410371)

I don't think I'll have many problems in Boston unless my only available WiFi zone is on a bridge support...

Re:LED Screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19410571)

I wouldn't worry too much about that - after all, the Mayor of Boston just has to ban Apple from the city network [ttp] , and then no one in Boston will be able to get a new Macbook anyway.

Re:LED Screen (1)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410593)

On the moon our Macbook Pros take YOU to Boston...

they are still a great band here on the moon, we listen to them play live on a regular basis and if you don't agree that Boston is the greatest moon band ever I will be forced to disintegrate you with my moon laser....

I bought one! (2, Informative)

MBCook (132727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410111)

I've got an early '05 Powerbook G4 (first-gen HD motion sensors represent!). It's a great little thing but as I do more photo editing and such I'm starting to feel it's lack of power. I've used Intel Macs with C2Ds and they are very nice. I decided that during the next refresh I would purchase one.

So when I checked the Apple store yesterday and saw it was down, I was thrilled. I had been expecting it (I follow rumors sites and Apple Insider had some detailed possible specs on Monday). When I got to work the store was back up and I ordered one immediately.

It's about time that Apple put 2 gigs in the MacBook Pros by default.

It's expected to come as soon as Friday, and I can't wait. Geek Sugar [geeksugar.com] has pictures of the new one, and they that the display is noticeably brighter, despite the fact it's not supposed to be (according to Apple, there is a mini-interview on Gizmodo [gizmodo.com] ).

I can't wait!

Now I just need Leopard...

Re:I bought one! (1)

*weasel (174362) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410849)

It's about time that Apple put 2 gigs in the MacBook Pros by default

Yeah, but charging $750 for the next 2 is pretty shameless.

Re:I bought one! (2, Insightful)

Bachus9000 (765935) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410877)

Perhaps you can help me understand something I've been struggling with for a long time in regards to the Macbook Pros--Mainly, why on Earth are they so expensive? The (regular) Macbooks seem reasonably priced, but what makes the Pros worth the $1800 starting price (with an educational discount, even!)? I mean, let's take the midrange Macbook and bump it up to 2GB of RAM and you end up with something comparable to the lowest-end Pro with the exceptions of a slightly slower processor, GMA950 graphics (which is probably fine for what I'd use a laptop for) and a smaller screen and it winds up being over $400 cheaper (again, education prices). Somehow those changes don't seem worth the extra money and comparing prices with competitors such as Dell and HP seem to back me up on that.

So, given that people continue to buy Macbook Pros, there simply must be something I'm missing. I suppose now at least the Pros have better battery life, but surely there's more to the story than that. I refuse to believe the light-up keyboard has a significant influence. :)

Allow me to be the first (1)

theTrueMikeBrown (1109161) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410139)

to say (speaking of Greenpeace and Macintosh, not the new macbook):
"I for one welcome our new environmentally conscious overlords."

On a side note, how much mercury is actually put in the screens of most laptops? I was under the impression that it wasn't much.

Re:Allow me to be the first (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410385)

On a side note, how much mercury is actually put in the screens of most laptops? I was under the impression that it wasn't much.

Not too much, just enough for the tiny fluorescent lamp(s). According to one backlight manufacturer:

This varies by lamp diameter, typically 3mg for 3.2mm diameter to 9mg for the 9mg (sic) diameters. Always use care in disposing of failed lamps at a proper recycling facility.

Re:Allow me to be the first (1)

An dochasac (591582) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410693)

So long Mercury, you evil toxic metal. Welcome Cadmium, Cerium, Yttrium and Arsenic. Thank goodness the cradle to grave process of creating LEDs doesn't involve dangerous and toxic elements...

How about putting some Zoom in the low end? (1)

argent (18001) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410145)

And I don't mean Santa Rosa, I mean... how about putting an nVidia GPU in the Macbook and Mac mini instead of that appalling GMA950?

Re:How about putting some Zoom in the low end? (1)

Zonekeeper (458060) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410283)

Whats appalling about it? I was looking at the low-end iMac 17"and it has the GMA950. Bad choice? Why?

Re:How about putting some Zoom in the low end? (3, Insightful)

Bishop (4500) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410631)

It is not a bad choice. There is nothing wrong with the built-in Intel graphics (GMA950 etc) for 95% of uses. If you plan to play games such as World of Warcraft or Quake then you would want the dedicated ati graphics. It is only clueless whiny mac fanboys who have a hang up with the Intel graphics. I am sure someone can post a long list of benchmarks that show that the Intel graphics are slow, but they won't be able to show a list of how that actually effects the user. Unless you fire up WoW you aren't going to notice.

Re:How about putting some Zoom in the low end? (1)

eldepeche (854916) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410523)

Because they want to up-sell people?

If you're not a gamer, the Intel chip is more than adequate. Plus it is fully supported under Linux with free drivers.

Pun intended? (4, Funny)

DohnJoe (900898) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410167)

according to the marketing president, "Apple's notebooks have always led the industry in innovation"

yeah yeah, I *know* it's not funny...

Re:Pun intended? (1)

pklinken (773410) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410567)

For once in your life, try to make an insightful comment!

Re:Pun intended? (1)

DohnJoe (900898) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410635)

heh, I've given up on that...

Re:Pun intended? (1)

pklinken (773410) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410725)

Heh.

Re:Pun intended? (1)

MrTheBunny (728979) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410713)

I guess it explains why actually nobody modded you funny...

Why did the LED take so long. (1)

El Icaro (816679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410193)

Forgive me for not understanding what the manufacturing process really involves, but i see both amateur and professional projects with LEDs all over the internet. Why didn't Apple, or other companies for that matter, do it before? Was it expensive, complicated to implement or (what I'd find unforgivable) just pure laziness?

If you'll excuse me now, I've got some thinking to do at the Macbook ordering page. Hmmm.... Glossy or no glossy screen?

Re:Why did the LED take so long. (2, Informative)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410345)

I presume LED in this context means an LED based backlight, backlighting an LCD screen right is pretty difficult, whatever light source is used it must provide illumination with a suitable wavelength makeup and have its light spread evenly accross teh screen.

the normal way to do this is with a very thin mercury floursencent lamp that runs along the bottom of the screen and then some clever optics that spread the light vertically.

LEDs tend to concentrate thier light at a point rather than along a strip which i would imagine makes spreading the light much harder. White LEDs also tend to have an unusual spectrum which may be an issue too.

Re:Why did the LED take so long. (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410479)

I presume LED in this context means an LED based backlight,

It does. I was momentarily thinking "An LED Matrix Screen? Awesome!". But I was brought back to reality by the p.r.

and now the industry's first 15-inch LED-backlit display

:(

display (5, Interesting)

Peter La Casse (3992) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410197)

The biggest news IMO is that the 17" MacBook Pro now comes with a 1920x1200 screen option. I've got that on my 15.4" Sager now, and it's wonderful. I'd rather have another 15.4", but I'd rather not step down to 1440x900.

Re:display (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410493)

Absolutely agreed. The previous high end was 1680x1050, which is okay, but...

This is the feature that is enough to overcome the feeling of "WTF single button mouse".

Re:display (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19410607)

Actually, OS X is the feature that's enough to overcome the feeling of "WTF single button mouse." You don't need a second button. It'd only get in the way, really. I promise. Even in those rare situations when you actually need the second button, on a trackpad it's much faster to replicate a secondary click by holding down the Option key, especially since your other hand is already on the keyboard.

Re:display (0)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410741)

Don't be a moron. I've been using Macs for a very long time, and yes, I really, really, miss the second button, and it really, really, does not get in the way.

I play video games, which often make excellent use of the convenient binding "hold down both mouse buttons". There is no way to do that with the built-in mouse, so anything I do on the Mac will require an external mouse.

Really, option-click isn't faster. It's slower. Time to hit option: At least 1ms. Time to not have to hit a key: 0ms.

I'm fine with people trying to stick up for Apple some of the time, but you don't have to be stupid about it. The single-button thing really does suck, even in OS X. There is a good reason for which people so often set up a second button... Although I should point out that, in many programs, it's control-click, not option-click, that replicates the other button. (Some programs support even more combinations... All of which are harder to keep straight than a second button would be.)

How does the chipset help? (1)

haluness (219661) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410207)

How does the inclusion of Santa Rosa help/improve the MacBook Pro? Does it lead to better performance?

Re:How does the chipset help? (1)

multipartmixed (163409) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410341)

Santa Rosa is not only the Patron Saint of the Americas, but was also a bulemic schizophrenic.

I figure they put her in there to try and lure more Windows users to The Jobsian Way.

Re:How does the chipset help? (4, Informative)

k_187 (61692) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410373)

The big thing is that it will let the macbook pro address a full 4gb of RAM. In the previous revisions only 3GB could be addressed. I'd imagine there are also other power/performance improvements.

Re:How does the chipset help? (1)

TheBig1 (966884) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410569)

Any ideas if it can address more than that? I know it won't matter for a while, but when 4GB ram modules come out, can I throw two of those in there for 8GB total?

I can't seem to find any specs on the Santa Rosa chipset which specify this... granted, it could also be affected by Apple's hardware (how many address lines to the RAM, etc, but at least it would be a start).

Cheers

Re:How does the chipset help? (2, Interesting)

Bishop (4500) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410709)

Santa Rosa still has problems addressing a full 4GiB of RAM. This is a limitation of running the processor in 32bit mode. In this mode a maximum of 4GiB can be addressed, but some of that space is mapped to system devices such as the dedicated video memory.

Re:How does the chipset help? (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410531)

It has an 800Mhz bus and can turn off 1 core to boost the other core for single-thread performance. I believe it also has improvements that help improve battery life vs the previous chip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino [wikipedia.org]

I'm sure Algore uses the Mercury-Free Screens... (0, Troll)

Voltar (973532) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410285)

Yeah right! And I'm SURE his 37 screens in his mansion office have the came clean technology...Hey, Algore...my credits are still up for sale it you want them!

Awesome (3, Insightful)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410317)

So when can I get a 2-button trackpad? Come on, Apple, that's just one mouse button per core. I want a real button, not a clever software simulation of two buttons. Just humor me, I'm dying to buy one of these babies.

thinking about it... (2, Interesting)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410427)

...the 2 button trackpad thing could conceivably be retro fitted. you'd have to take your macbook apart, but i could imagine some enterprising 3rd party coming up with a click button the same physical dimensions as the standard apple one, but divided into two. on laptops these things are pretty simple mechanical switches and they normally plug in via simple ribbon connectors. if nothing else, it'd stop people moaning...

Re:thinking about it... (1)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410583)

Sure, that'd be possible, but it really should be necessary to perform hardware mods on something you spend $3000 for. If it's going to cost me that much, it'd better come the way I want it. I don't mind hacking hardware, but for the cost and the fact that it'd almost certainly void the warranty, I'd have to pass on that as a feasible, but not realistic option.

It wouldn't take a whole lot for apple to make it a purchasable option, though. Even with a $100 markup for the extra button, I'd do it.

I don't want more than one (2, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410433)

I've used Windows laptops many times, and the 2nd button is always a PITA. It's either too easy to press (in which case I was pressing it by accident all the time) or too hard, which made some right click operations annoyingly difficult.

That's why Apple has the perfect solution - chording. You don't need to use the double tap right click thing on the keypad. I have it off. All you need to remember is that "Control" in conjunction with the mouse button acts as the second button, in all applications. And since your hand is already on the keyboard it's a little faster than trying to hunt for that second button.

That's the benefit of having a system designed from the ground up to work with a single button when two were not to be had, because you always had a control key.

On a desktop I prefer mice of many buttons. But on a laptop, I greatly prefer they leave it as one button that's easy to chord into various uses.

Re:Awesome (2, Interesting)

Constantine Evans (969815) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410439)

If you normally use tapping with touchpads, you should note that the touchpad for the MacBook Pro allows right clicking by tapping with two fingers. The touchpad can also detect three-finger taps, but for some reason, OS X ignores them; Ubuntu, on the other hand, allows full use of the touchpad as a three-button mouse, though the driver is currently rather poor. I would actually almost prefer that the laptop not have the one actual mouse button that it does - it generally just gets in the way and generates spurious clicks when there is the slightest hint of shear force on the frame.

Re:Awesome (2, Insightful)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410905)

I find the one mouse button it does have actually kind of useful for drag'n'drop. The tap and release substitution feels too awkward for me.

I wish they quit keeping the "price points" (4, Interesting)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410335)

and allow for most variety in configurations so that there would be "Pro" level laptops at more affordable prices.

I like the discreet video, I do not need the 2.4, the monster drive, the large memory....

so what about 1.66 or 1.83s with similar features, chipset, and such at a lower cost. 1gb memory, discreet graphics, for around $1500?

Are they trying to protect the value of the previous generation still on the shelf?

Not an LED screen! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19410407)

The title, as usual, is misleading. The screen is not an LED *panel* like people have been anticipating. All they've done is use LEDs for the backlighting of an LCD panel instead of a fluorescent lamp. People have been doing this to their own LCD displays for some time for better battery life (see benheck.com).

I'm glad they've eliminated a source of mercury, but I wouldn't consider this anything outstanding.

Why bother with the higher end 15"? (1)

cca93014 (466820) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410449)

From the UK site, the higher end 15" model has an extra .2Ghz in CPU, double the Video RAM and a 40GB larger hard disk. That's hardly with 300 of the Queen's finest is it?

RoHS compliant? (1)

drenehtsral (29789) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410453)

Does anybody know if there are any fully RoHS compliant laptops for sale in the United States? (for that matter, is this one RoHS?). If I understand correctly, it must be free of lead, mercury, cadmium, and PCBs for that to be so...

Are you going to eat it or compute with it? (0, Flamebait)

swb (14022) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410679)

Are you one of those eco-puritans who has managed to eliminate all the hazardous materials out of your entire life? Including, of course, refusing all medical treatment if the materials, machines or medicines involve the use or production of heavy metals?

Or is it just about striking the appropriate pose at your local free-wifi free-trade-coffee hangout?

please help (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19410483)

my mom has a myspace page....which is like soooo embarrassing!!!! please troll her into getting rid of it....thanks

                http://www.myspace.com/amandagrashel [myspace.com]

alex

Hopefully these last longer... (2, Interesting)

burris (122191) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410577)

The old fluorescent backlit displays begin degrading immediately and lose their brightness in a non-linear way. After one year they are noticeably dimmer and difficult to use in brightly lit environments and by year 2-3 they are almost unusably dim. I hope the LED backlights do not degrade so quickly or at all. Lower power consumption is most welcome, of course.

When will they upgrade the mouse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19410627)

Mr. Jobs, please take a razor and cut the mouse button in half!

New chip set ... (1)

ThirdPrize (938147) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410687)

must upgrade!!!
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