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Sony VP Salutes DS, Promises PSP Can Still Compete

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the i-coulda-been-a-contender dept.

Portables (Games) 121

An anonymous reader writes "In an interview with Pocket Gamer, Zeno Colaço, vice president of publisher and developer relations at SCEE made some revealing comments about his thoughts on the DS and the future of the PSP. 'Some of the DS games have been fantastic. Where in hindsight we've been short is one or two killer apps that would have been able to drive PSP forward'. Despite being so frank on the merits of the competition, Colaço was still tight lipped on the subject of a PSP redesign, stating: 'The technology behind PSP is still top-end and so that doesn't need to be addressed'."

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I've said this before (4, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19410887)

I am in no way a fanboy of any console. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Sega...it doesn't matter. To paraphrase Pure Pwnage, Any machine that let's me play games I enjoy.

That being said. Yes, the PSP has it's issues...screen is prone to fingerprints/scratches, control stick takes a slight bit to get used to, low battery life...but you know what? It's still a bad-ass little toy. I can convert any movie/TV show/whatever, put it on the memory stick, and watch it directly on the device with no modding necessary.

I can download one of hundreds of FREE comics that are made specifically with the PSP in mind. Using one of many FREE programs, I can convert E-books into a format that makes them easily readable on the screen. I can broswe the internet with it (granted it's slow due to the b wireless connection it has, but hey it's still got wireless access)

All in all, despite it's faults, I still absolutely ADORE my PSP. If not for the games, at least for everything else I can use it for.

Re:I've said this before (4, Insightful)

morari (1080535) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411003)

Any machine that let's me play games I enjoy.
So you go forward listing the PSP's multimedia capabilities as opposed to any must-have games that makes it competitive. :P

Re:I've said this before (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411147)

Well, there was a time when games were the only things consoles were used for and as such that was the major deciding factor in what I would buy...for me, the major deciding factor in getting a PSP was being able to A. use it as an E-book reader and B. watch any movie/tvshow/etc. on it without requireing any modification.

I'm aware that (apparently) the DS has better games, but it was less suited to my needs....in this day and age, when gaming is just ONE PART of what consoles do, you have to factor in other things as well.

Insofar as my "not a fanboy" comment, I was merely commenting on the fact that I won't NOT purchase a console because it's made by a specific company...in fact, this is the first generation in which I have not owned all the major ones out there (Don't own a PS3 because there is nothing on there that I can't play on other systems that I want to...Lair and God of War 3 will likely be the reasons why I get one, though...)

Re:I've said this before (1)

laffer1 (701823) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412155)

Yes, but when you start looking at game consoles as multipurpose devices, there is absolutely no point in buying one. Just use a computer, smartphone or PDA. A company could easily make a windows based PDA with a control pad and buttons in addition to the traditional touch interface.

The PSP reminds me of the Sega GameGear. It had an optional TV tuner which sort of made it multipurpose. The short battery life made that feature practically useless since it had to be plugged in often. I don't like the playstation products, but the PSP is closest to something I might like. The fondness I have for the GameGear helps, but the short battery life is the whole reason I sold my GameGear.

I see these extra features as a downside to buying new consoles. In the past, I've purchased two coonsoles and a handheld. I've done this since 1991. Now, the consoles are expensive because they do more than play games. When I can find a Wii sold standalone (not bundled), I'll buy one. I'm not interested in buying the other two consoles because of price (sony) and reliability (Microsoft).

Re:I've said this before (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412837)

Yes, but when you start looking at game consoles as multipurpose devices, there is absolutely no point in buying one. Just use a computer, smartphone or PDA. A company could easily make a windows based PDA with a control pad and buttons in addition to the traditional touch interface.

...And it would be far more expensive than the PSP. I don't have a PSP because I have no need of one, but I've seen them and they're a lot slicker and better for multimedia than any PDA, plus they're significantly cheaper.

It has games (1)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412239)

I've spent many, many hours playing games on my PSP. Games I've spent more than 20 hours playing: Loco Roco, Katamari, Lego Star Wars, Puzzle Quest, Ridge Racer, Tekken 6, Mercury Madness, Field Commander.

I bought mine a bit over a year ago (and so missed the early game drought), and there's never been a time where I've felt like playing but not had something to play on it. (Partially a function of my limited free time and free spending ways, admittedly.)

I've never understood the "must have" game thing. In 25 years of gaming, I've never come across a game I'd pay >$100 for. I buy systems not for one "must have" game, but because it has a good variety of good games. In my mind, bouth th PSP and DS meet that criteria. (I haven't bought a DS mostly because I don't really feel the need of a second portable when the first essentially fills all the time I have for portables. If I had a DS, I probably wouldn't bother with a PSP.)

Re:I've said this before (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411067)

"All in all, despite it's faults, I still absolutely ADORE my PSP. If not for the games, at least for everything else I can use it for.'
That says it all.
BTW 802.11b shouldn't slow down web browsing it is still faster than DSL. That reminds me Opera is available for my DS and need to go and buy it.
I wonder if Sony will start trying to make fun games and stop killing goats.

Re:I've said this before (2, Interesting)

benzapp (464105) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411419)

I wonder if Sony will start trying to make fun games and stop killing goats.

I have a PSP and have quite a few fun games, most of which have kept me quite satisfied with my purchase. They are:

1. Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters
2. Ace Combat X: Skies of Deception
3. Lumines
4. Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
5. Wipeout Pure
6. GTA: Liberty City Stories
7. GTA: Vice City Stories
8. Field Commander
9. Mega Man Powered Up

I just don't get it. The PSP has many great games, yet this slashdot myth persists.

Re:I've said this before (3, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412397)

I don't have a PSP but that is just is. I never hear about This game or that game is just great, except for Lumines. Heck the parent of my post said that he loved the PSP if not for the then for all the other uses.
The myth persists because PSP owners keep saying it.

Re:I've said this before (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412811)

OK, Metal Gear Solid and Tekken 5 are awesome. I play them both all the time. Gran Turismo will be incredible (if it ever comes out). Final Fantasy I and II are coming out this month and next.

Re:I've said this before (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415201)

Reason being is that aside from Lumines and perhaps a few others, there aren't any games on the PSP that aren't on the PS2. The GP list has two games that aren't essentially PS2 or even PS1 games. Loco Roco, and Lumines. Now, as a side, this is why I don't own a PSP. I don't have a lot of time for portable gaming, so why would I buy a system that I wouldn't use in place of a PS2?

I own the DS because the games are amazing, and for what little time I may have to use it, it's wonderful. I'd love to have a PSP just for playing the PS1 games on it or use it as a portable emulator, but I'm not willing to risk that kind of money on possibly bricking the thing. I'm still torn about the passkey or passthrough system for my DS... But I'm not that dedicated to that cause either.

F'n Field Commander (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415189)

God, I hate Field Commander. It's like Advance Wars with all the stuff that makes it fun taken away. Instead we have choppy 3D graphics that makes it hard to discern between units and has severe framerate issues. Also, after playing GTA on the PC, the gamepad versions seem unplayable, and the PSP versions - with only one analog stick - doubly so. But I have to admit, I'm also still mainly using my PSP for Lumines if I play games on it.

Re:I've said this before (2, Informative)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415733)

Even better, you can put PS1 games on a memory stick and play them from there. That opens up a monstrous library of awesome games.

Re:I've said this before (3, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411081)

I can broswe the internet with it (granted it's slow due to the b wireless connection it has, but hey it's still got wireless access)

You must have some ridiculously fat pipes if it's the 802.11b WiFi that's slowing you down...

Re:I've said this before (1)

magnusrex1280 (1075361) | more than 7 years ago | (#19414645)

I laughed when I first read that. "Yeah, my 11 megabit wireless sure slows down my internet connection!" Haha.

Re:I've said this before (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19411161)

I actually like the games... Metal Gear Portable Ops, Loco Roco, GTA Vice City Stories, upcoming Final Fantasy Games like Tactics, etc etc. I have a DS too, and it also has good games, but I prefer my PSP.

Re:I've said this before (1)

Zencyde (850968) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411171)

Of course, everything you've mentioned can be done with the DS as well. Mind you, it does require a card reader, but that's not modding. You can read comics (image files) and e-books on the DS as well. Also, if you want to run emulators, you won't have to downgrade the firmware. I can't deny that the PSP has more horsepower than the DS, but they're both equally functional. Albeit, the touchscreen helps for keyboard input when browsing the web.

Re:I've said this before (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411211)

Being able to watch movies/TV shows was a big draw for me as far as the PSP is concerned....not to mention it is just a slick looking portable system (although the DS is quite nice looking as well)

Re:I've said this before (1)

Zencyde (850968) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411249)

Movies and TV shows are viewable on the DS. You do have to convert files to an obscure format called "DPG", but it's not like the thing is OMFG 500 EM H ZEES FASTER THAN A COMPUTER! I'm rather impressed that someone managed to get a working codec on it, honestly. I prefer to just use it for music though.

Re:I've said this before (1)

toleraen (831634) | more than 7 years ago | (#19413111)

E-loader has worked perfectly fine for running emulators on my PSP. No need to downgrade, just have to browse to the picture viewer to load the exploit.

Re:I've said this before (1)

Zencyde (850968) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415125)

Ah, I wasn't aware that someone found a working exploit under the modern firmware. I assume you never upgrade your PSP, then?

WHAT comics? (1)

Rachel Lucid (964267) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411225)

As a comic artist, I'm interested if you'd explain which comics, if any, are 'designed' for the PSP.

The cynic in me says any comic that works off vertical scrolling would fit the bill just fine, but if there's a handheld-specific comic and a reason it 'must' be on the PSP/DS, I'd love to hear it.

Re:WHAT comics? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411491)

The format is released in such a way that a single picture = a single frame instead of an entire page...in theory, you can convert any comic to FIT on a PSP screen, but the words will be so tiny you won't be able to read it.

http://www.nyc2123.com/ [nyc2123.com]

That one is my personal fave....a little short, but a very good series

Re:WHAT comics? (1)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 7 years ago | (#19414909)

I made one. [ministry-of-fun.com]

Re:I've said this before (1)

GrayCalx (597428) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411471)

Any links for these free comics you speak of? I'd love to get a hold of some of those. Thanks.

Re:I've said this before (2, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411549)

Already posted it, but sure:

http://www.nyc2123.com/ [nyc2123.com]

That's my favourite. Just google "free psp comics", there are actually a whole BUNCH of them available online

Re:I've said this before (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19412005)

That being said. Yes, the PSP has it's issues...screen is prone to fingerprints/scratches, control stick takes a slight bit to get used to, low battery life...but you know what? It's still a bad-ass little toy. I can convert any movie/TV show/whatever, put it on the memory stick, and watch it directly on the device with no modding necessary.
Guess what, you can do that with the DS too. The R4 DS or M3 (really the same products) plug into your Slot-1 and have a MicroSD (formerly TransFlash, and maybe some other names) slot to load MP3s, videos, game back-ups, homebrews, etc. With the PSP you do have a larger screen, but considering how I like to multi-task by playing games and listening to music (or half-watching videos), I'd rather have a separate device.

I can download one of hundreds of FREE comics that are made specifically with the PSP in mind. Using one of many FREE programs, I can convert E-books into a format that makes them easily readable on the screen. I can broswe the internet with it (granted it's slow due to the b wireless connection it has, but hey it's still got wireless access)
Again, I will revert to the separate device comment, but also, I prefer my PDA Phone for this. I have touchscreen and full keyboard, which makes surfing infinitely easier. I am not tethered to Wi-Fi, only limited by my cell coverage. I guess I am just one of those few people who doesn't get the concept of trying to make an end all device, or maybe I just like the philosophy, "Do one thing and do it well".

All in all, despite it's faults, I still absolutely ADORE my PSP. If not for the games, at least for everything else I can use it for.
And here in lies my problem with the PS3 and PSP. Sony is trying to do everything and not doing most (if any of them) well. It goes back to what I just said, but the DS is doing one thing and it does it well. There are some really good games for the DS. I guess I am just weird in that way. I also tend to stick to Nintendo (and previously Sega) with consoles and such. Maybe it is just what I grew up on or maybe it is my disappointment in my PSX and PS2, neither of which I got until they were well into their lives.

PSP is useful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19412293)

Yeah, the PSP is useful, but it doesn't let me play the games I enjoy :/ The DS has by far more fun games.

But that doesn't help Sony (1)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 7 years ago | (#19414093)

All in all, despite it's faults, I still absolutely ADORE my PSP. If not for the games, at least for everything else I can use it for.


And yet only the games help Sony, since they lose money selling you the hardware in hopes of you buying games for them to receive licensing fees on. You and every person like you who only uses their PSP for non-game related stuff is a Sony exec's nightmare. You're the reason their games division is hemorrhaging billions of dollars as we speak. (Well, you and Ken Kutaragi... But I digress...)

Re:I've said this before (1)

Ren.Tamek (898017) | more than 7 years ago | (#19414377)

"Any machine that connects me to noobs and lets me pwn 'em" I believe is the quote.

Re:I've said this before (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19414499)

Yes that is the quote...which is why I said it was a paraphrase ;-)

Re:I've said this before (1)

Ren.Tamek (898017) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415647)

OK I hear ya :P. I think I need to look up what paraphrasing means, heh.

Re:I've said this before (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415785)

By the way, if you (or anyone else reading this) likes/appreciates/enjoys Pure Pwnage, show your support and buy their DVD's!!! Every DVD (along with any other of their merch) that get's sold from the noobstore means that much more money they have to put into a full-length Pure Pwnage feature film!

Not a shill, just a fan.

Http://www.noobstore.com

Re:I've said this before (1)

coop247 (974899) | more than 7 years ago | (#19414717)

A nice fix for the battery issue is this Charger Grip [ebgames.com] . Not only does it give you an extra 5 hours, but it makes the PSP think that it is running on AC power, so you can have it on the brightest setting, which is very nice if you play in bright conditions. It also makes it much easier to hold.

Re:I've said this before (1)

Creepyguywithastick (934101) | more than 7 years ago | (#19416053)

Spend 70 bucks on a Super Card for the DS and you can do all the same things with home brew apps.

Yes, it's the Wii Vs. PS3 argument all over again. (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411049)

Nintendo makes a great, cheap device that allows people who wouldn't normally play videogames to have fun with stuff that's simple to pick up, easy to understand what your aims are, and are chiefly great fun in short bursts, despite being graphically poor in comparison to the "competition".

Sony have an all-singing, all-dancing ninja device that plays more traditional games, but much prettier than before. Are they really "failing"? Or is the market for this just rather smaller than people who will buy a DS for Brain Training?

Re:Yes, it's the Wii Vs. PS3 argument all over aga (2, Interesting)

Von Helmet (727753) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411825)

Sony have an all-singing, all-dancing ninja device that plays more traditional games, but much prettier than before. Are they really "failing"? Or is the market for this just rather smaller than people who will buy a DS for Brain Training?

Option 3: Perhaps people aren't too interested in playing the same games over and over, and want something different.

My gaming background is as a pretty hardcore PC FPS player, but that genre seems to have stagnated of late... Doom 3, Quake 4, Half Life 2 were all pretty much the same thing that we've played countless times before, except now the red key is replaced with an engineer or a security guard, and the graphics look prettier. Woohoo. And honestly, can someone please produce an FPS in which the AI understands that I can just circle strafe them into the ground? The most interesting FPS I've played lately was Far Cry, but that was a couple of years ago now.

On the other hand, I bought a DS last autumn, and have bought about 10 games for it, not all of which fall into the casual Brain Training genre that you cite. There's all kinds of games in my selection, and there's fun and different and some of them make great use of the stylus, even if it is just a glorified mouse.

As far as I can see, the most telling thing is that so many games on the PSP seem to be ports of PS2 games and re-hashes of things that people are tired of, which the Sony guy himself acknowledged.

Re:Yes, it's the Wii Vs. PS3 argument all over aga (3, Interesting)

blendo75.5 (1058006) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411909)

If the only people that bought the DS bought it for Brain Training then the DS would have only sold about 1-2 million units world-wide. There are games for the DS that give the PSP a run for it's money as far as graphics are concerned. The graphics arent terrible, the price is right and the selection of games is amazing - there really is something for everyone.

It's unbelievable that there is a perception that the DS is for people who "dont normally play video games". I play video games all the time and have since 1978. The DS fills that need for me. My PSP does not, the lack of quality and quantity of games looms large. For a system that has sold so many units the software sales on the PSP are very poor. I have a feeling it's because of early adopters like myself that just gave up on it, playing games on the PSP is a drag. I havent been able to find a decent game since Lumines. Even Katamari Damacy was a letdown. Most games I've tried since then just grate with the load times, when you're used to playing games on the DS the PSP's load times and controls just make it seem clunky. The PSP is better used for other things.

Not every game for the DS is simple either, have you tried Etrian Odessy yet?

I use my PSP to play MP3's and to check out a homebrew app once in a great while. It's very cool but only when you use it as Sony intends you NOT to. I dont expect or need the DS to do anything like that, although there is definitely homebrew for the DS. I'm too busy playing commercial games on the DS to do anything else. I've built up a library of nearly 30 games and there's plenty I still want but there's just TOO MUCH.

Re:Yes, it's the Wii Vs. PS3 argument all over aga (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415303)

I've not heard of Etrian Odyssey before, no, but I do have both a DS and a PSP. It looks like another Japanese RPG of the "read lots of text, level grind for a few hours, read more text" variety that makes me want to break things, though, so I'd rather play Mario Kart.

I suppose that means you're right, to some extent - because I play my intense 3D games like WipEout and Outrun on the PSP, my DS is where I go for simple stuff and miss the really clever things. NSMB is gorgeous, but not really what I meant about graphically complex.

Re:Yes, it's the Wii Vs. PS3 argument all over aga (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#19416339)

One of my favourite games on the system is Chou Soujuu Mecha MG (not released outside Japan), it's a 3d mech battle game but the hook is that the mech's controls aren't mapped to the buttons but instead you get the mech's dashboard on the touchscreen and have to manipulate the controls there. Since the designs are pretty out there you actually get mechs where you have to shovel coal into the combustion chamber to keep the thing running or mechs where you have to manually load the shells into your gun or flip a row of switches like they do in movies before their doomsday laser shoots making your attention and stylus a resource to manage as well. It looks pretty good for a DS game but has slowdown when there are more than 3-4 mechs in play. On the other hand it has cities where you can pluck and throw everything you see with some decent physics going on. Certainly got me to the point where I reacted to Custom Robo DS with "bah, ugly".

I'm wondering, the oppinion on the PSP's graphics seems to be split: Some claim it's near PS2 quality, others say it's barely better than the DS. Is the DS-PSP gap really that big or was it just the games available at first that made it look so?

Sony have shrunk their own market. (1)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 7 years ago | (#19418075)

The price of the unit itself and the need to have an expensive TV etc to get anything approaching "good value" out of the PS3 has meant there are simply less people interested in it.

While the quest to be the "center of the lounge room" is all well and good it does nothing for a huge number (maybe even a majority) of traditional gamers who are kids and young adults who have their consoles hooked up to a second TV (probably in their bedroom) so they can play whenever they like, regardless of what the rest of the family is doing in the lounge room.

This is the first generation of consoles where the consoles themselves output video of a higher quality than most people have for their TV (let alone secondary TVs). This is a huge issue which isn't going to change particularly rapidly.

The Xbox has the problem to a lesser degree because the lower price means people won't feel like they are wasting money so much.

Nintendo have avoided the problem entirely by deciding that the environment isn't ready for large scale uptake of high def gaming yet. As far as I can see they are right and it is difficult to see that changing substantially for a good five years.

Rather perversely although the Wii is the one console that isn't demanding to be in the lounge room it is probably the one that is having the most success at appealing to everyone in a family and thus earning a place there.

Sony VP is actually in touch with the market.... (1)

doombringerltx (1109389) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411055)

...when he says that the DS is great, the PSP is missing killer apps, but sadly not much else

Re:Sony VP is actually in touch with the market... (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411745)

...when he says that the DS is great, the PSP is missing killer apps, but sadly not much else

The PSP has plenty of killer games [neogaf.com] . And with more to come such as upcoming Final Fantasy & God of War titles.

I'll Just... (5, Funny)

morari (1080535) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411091)

Stick with my Sega Nomad, thank you!

Re:I'll Just... (1)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411441)

Game Gear FTW!

Re:I'll Just... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411595)

You know, if you could come up with a decent Li-Ion pack for it, the Nomad would be pretty hot.

Re:I'll Just... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19414525)

or a Sony battery.

Power as a Problem (2, Interesting)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411099)

The article's short but sweet. A curious thing he mentioned was that Sony had to tell developers that they wouldn't set the world alight by porting their PS2 games into it, which was what the first batch essentially was.

Meanwhile Nintedo's handheld power has always been behind their console power. While it didn't eliminate straight-ports, it quickly exposed ports for being gimped versions of full games... meaning a lot of portable development went towards unique games unlike their more homebodied cousins.

I'm not going to hand Nintendo that on a platter, though. It's probably just a side effect of trying to get rediculous battery life out of portable systems. Sony on the other hand just wanted to trump the competitors on brute force alone and win the checkbox wars. It's a neat gadget, though, and it's finally hitting its stride thanks to developers finally developing the right kinds of games for it.

So, as always, it's always comes down to the games themselves. With great power comes great responsibility.

Re:Power as a Problem (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411541)

I'm not going to hand Nintendo that on a platter, though. It's probably just a side effect of trying to get rediculous battery life out of portable systems. Sony on the other hand just wanted to trump the competitors on brute force alone and win the checkbox wars.

This is what makes Nintendo the winner in the handheld arena. They make game machines. They can be used for other things, but the gaming is the single driving factor behind the design, and that's what makes Nintendo's handhelds the best. They also have realistic ideas about levels of technology and price point, with the single exception of the Virtual Boy (yes, I have one.)

Re:Power as a Problem (1)

mstahl (701501) | more than 7 years ago | (#19413269)

While it didn't eliminate straight-ports, it quickly exposed ports for being gimped versions of full games... meaning a lot of portable development went towards unique games unlike their more homebodied cousins.

One of the things that really impressed me about the DS was the uniqueness of the games available for it. Some of them are kinda silly (I'm lookin' at you, Nintendogs!), but most of them are super innovative and kind of amazing. Just like what's been happening with the Wii, the unique set of inputs has created really unique games. I think it's telling that I couldn't really play these effectively in an emulator, nor could they be trivially ported to another system without losing a lot of functionality.

By contrast, the straight ports from other systems are either clunky (Super Mario 64; using the touchscreen as a surrogate analogue stick is really annoying) or straight-up boring.

As for internet access, I'd recommend getting a R4DS and a memory card and running DSLinux or, just as good, write your own browser and run it on there. Despite not supporting homebrew out of the box, the DS is pretty easy to work for homebrew use anyway.

PSP suffered like the PS3... (2, Interesting)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411121)

... from its high price. The DS was $150, the PSP was $250. With the usual accessories (carrying pouch perhaps, etc.), sales tax, and a game, folks who bought a PSP walked out of the store down $320-$350. That is a LOT for a handheld. Considering the price of UMD movies and PSP games, Sony's handheld may have been one of worst systems to purchase ever in terms of value for the dollar.

Now that it's much cheaper, it's a wiser purchase to make. And yes, *now* it is its game library that's hurting it as well as its smaller player network. The DS has more good games and still costs less. Also, because of its success, it has better online play since there are more folks out there playing whatever you want to play via wi-fi.

Re:PSP suffered like the PS3... (0)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411489)

Sounds nice but you don't really know what you are talking about. The PSP actually outsold the DS until the DS Lite came out. The DS Lite took off and sold like hot cakes. Quite frankly neither handheld has any killer apps to me. Handhelds seem to be better for the younger crowd in the sense that they have more time to play them. When I go somewhere, I am either driving or engaging in a conversation with someone. Kids are generally passengers and handhelds are a good way to keep them quiet for the trip. So really, cheaper and longer battery life is the way to go. No doubt that I would have loved the DS or the PSP as a kid...but right now when I have time to play games I am at my home where I can play console or PC games. I have so many great games to catch up with on those that there is really no need for a handheld.

Re:PSP suffered like the PS3... (3, Informative)

tuffy (10202) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412367)

The PSP actually outsold the DS until the DS Lite came out. The DS Lite took off and sold like hot cakes
In America the sales were close for a long time, but in Japan and the rest of the world the non-Lite DS outsold the PSP almost 2:1 through the end of 2005. [gamespot.com]

Re:PSP suffered like the PS3... (2, Informative)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412457)

Um, the PSP never outsold the DS in total units since release. Ever. Prior to DS Lite it was getting owned, after DS Lite it's still getting owned.

http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=17 794 [pcvsconsole.com]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#Handheld _war [wikipedia.org]

Public transport (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#19413327)

When I go somewhere, I am either driving or engaging in a conversation with someone.
Handhelds are for people who live in towns that have better public transport. Or do you like to talk to random strangers on the bus or train?

I'd get one, but they keep breaking it (4, Insightful)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411263)

I'd get one, but every time they update the firmware they break the features I'd want it for.

Re:I'd get one, but they keep breaking it (1, Informative)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411833)

I have yet to see the firmware break anything unless you were hoping to play pirated games. In fact new firmware releases have introduced more and more functionality. For example the latest 3.5.0 firmware allows you to log into a paired PS3 from anywhere in the world and play movies & music off of it. Earlier firmware updates added AAC music, RSS, web browsing and other significant functionality.

Homebrew (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415571)

I have yet to see the firmware break anything.

He's talking about homebrew. Sony screws that up with each Firmware upgrade.

Re:Homebrew (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19417047)

He's talking about homebrew. Sony screws that up with each Firmware upgrade.

The PSP homebrew scene is probably 95% piracy and 5% genuine homebrewers. A quick glance at any torrent site can attest to the number of people constant seeding / leeching PSP games. It's no wonder that Sony choose to plug holes with firmware updates.

Re:I'd get one, but they keep breaking it (1)

Von Helmet (727753) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412141)

So get a DS. They don't upgrade the firmware, and there's tons of homebrew out there for the DS. The DS is also more suited to some of the homebrew, as it has the stylus, which makes productivity software and the like easier to use.

Of course, there's also plenty of DS homebrew out there for movies, music and tut tut pirated games.

Re:I'd get one, but they keep breaking it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19412889)

Not trying to be snide, but learn how to get around it. My roommate is a completely non-technical art guy but he manages to keep his firmware up to date, hacked, and working just fine with no intervention from me, and I'd imagine that you as a slashdotter should be able to do the same. I must also say that what he's got going with his PSP has me sorely tempted to get one of my own to put alongside my DSLite, namely getting to play PS1 games on the go for all the older titles I never got around to playing.

Re:I'd get one, but they keep breaking it (0)

Bachus9000 (765935) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412985)

How old is your friend's PSP? As I understand it, current PSPs have too new of a firmware revision to hack, while older revisions (which can be hacked) can be made to temporarily load the newer firmware and gain access to newer features. From what I've read, it is very hard (if not impossible) to revert to older firmware with the newer versions. If my information is out of date, please provide some proof and set me straight.

Re:I'd get one, but they keep breaking it (1)

mbourgon (186257) | more than 7 years ago | (#19414095)

The first rule of PSP: don't upgrade the firmware. The latest greatest (3.4?) hasn't been hacked yet, but up through 3.1 has been (last I looked, 3.03 is the last safe one - i.e. easily downgraded). The older it is, the better off you are. There is software that will let you load the newer firmware temporarily, so you can still get the benefits.

A sign of the Apocalypse? (3, Funny)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411309)

Wait, a Sony higher up spoke about their product and their competitor's product, and it didn't involve an arrogant spiel about how wonderful Sony's attempt was and how the competitor has nothing, is nothing, and will be ground into dust?

People better start looking for survival gear, I feel a second coming drawing near.

over specialize and you breed in weakness (1)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411319)

I'm all for multi-functional devices, but most of them can't do anything well enough for my standards. I'll celebrate the day they make the end all gaming/media player/camera/phone device, but by then i'll be too decrepit to even enjoy it. The PSP is a great little machine, but i prefer my DS, 8GB nano and 2mp Cameraphone combo. Sure, i paid close to $500 for all of it, but atleast they all have outstanding battery life and i'm still portable. Ok, the DS is a little hard to carry with other objects, but in my defense the nano fits (and stays) in my wallet.

Re:over specialize and you breed in weakness (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411533)

I'll celebrate the day they make the end all gaming/media player/camera/phone device

Start celebrating! It's called a PC. :P (I'd say Mac too but you mentioned gaming - I kid, I kid!)

Re:over specialize and you breed in weakness (1)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411971)

I'll celebrate the day they make the end all gaming/media player/camera/phone device

Start celebrating! It's called a PC. :P (I'd say Mac too but you mentioned gaming - I kid, I kid!)
My bad. i meant portable gaming/media player/camera/phone device and by portable i don't mean laptop.

Re:over specialize and you breed in weakness (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#19416467)

I'm not sure I'd want to see that, those devices have completely different requirements for the system design (big screen, small screen, many buttons, few but reachable buttons, solid state media, optical media, ...) and you'll end up having your cellphone run on the same battery as your gaming system so if one gives out they all do.

Re:over specialize and you breed in weakness (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411773)

Mod parent up for obscure Ghost in the Shell reference. Rarely see that on teh dot.

And to complete the quote:

"It's slow death."

It could probably do a lot more if... (1)

Amphetam1ne (1042020) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411325)

... 19mb of it's firmware wasn't taken up with security to stop people hacking it for homebrew. In fact, it's been theorized that if Sony ditched most of the security then they would have space to implement the features that are being hacked into it by the homebrew scene.

Nitpick Time! [WAS: Re:It could probably do a ...] (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411637)

19mb of it's firmware

19 milli-bits? Has Sony come up with some kind of quantum DRM scheme that involves flipping partial bits?

P.S. "its"

Re:Nitpick Time! [WAS: Re:It could probably do a . (1)

Amphetam1ne (1042020) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412263)

Spelling and Grammar died the day I started seeing driving school cars with "lrn2drv" written on the side of them I'm afraid. The english language has been brutalized and bastardized in far worse ways than in my post. Care to comment on the PSP, or are you just grammar-trolling?

Re:Nitpick Time! [WAS: Re:It could probably do a . (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412425)

Care to comment on the PSP, or are you just grammar-trolling?

Mostly just grammar-trolling. You're right that Sony's DRM shit is hurting them more than it's helping, though.

Ultimately the DS wins because it's just a game platform.

F Sony (2, Interesting)

methodic (253493) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411343)

I refuse to buy any Sony products anymore. I used to have all the great Sony gadgets back in the day... TV, Boombox, Walkman, Discman, Mini Tape-recorder, portable speakers, you name it.... and they all died. I'm not talking after 10+ years of use, I'm talking less than 2 years of use.

I do own a PS2 I bought off a friend for a ridiculously low price (needed my Dragon Warrior/Dragon Quest fix).. but I've heard a ton of horror stories about the PS2's breaking down in a similar manner after only a years worth of use.

Oh, and don't get me started on the rootkit's Sony was installed on user's computers.

The PSP is a stupid design. I spent my $200 on a GP2X which is open-source, has a great battery life (which use AA's, not some proprietary gimmick), and I can watch video's on my system without having to "modify" or "hack" the firmware.

"If you can't open it you don't own it."

Re:F Sony (1)

Xymor (943922) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411535)

"If you can't open it you don't own it."

I take you don't own any console, cellphone, media player...

Re:F Sony (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415675)

I think he just said that he owned a GP2X, right? There'll soon be an open cell phone [openmoko.com] , and you can install Linux on an iPod, so I think he has covered all the bases.

Re:F Sony (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411583)

Yes, because people on the Internet tend to get on and complain how long their products last. /sarcasm Maybe you should actually look at how long consumer electronics from any company last instead of going for the easy karma.

Re:F Sony (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411711)

uh...some free conversion software and you can watch any video on your PSP, regardless of it's firmware...

Re:F Sony (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#19411827)

Too bad GP2X [wikipedia.org] is only "open source" instead of open source:

The GP2X firmware uses a significant amount of GNU GPL code, including MPlayer for its media functions and the Linux kernel for its OS. The GPL requires for the release of the source code to users of the binary application (i.e. GP2X users); however, the source code was not released when the GP2X was released to consumers.

It's a fun little gadget with its own merits, yes. But on in personal belief system, on which everyone is entitled to their own, building off of GPL and then not honoring the license is worse on the karma scale than obviously proprietary lockout schemes.

Re:F Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19412411)

Those issues were resolved long ago.

Re:F Sony (1)

Tatisimo (1061320) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412099)

My PS2 lasted 5 years in harsh, dusty places. Finally, it broke down in January (no longer reads some discs), but still can play a few select PS2 games. Maybe I just got one out of the good batch or something, but it lasted quite long. Sure, compared to the NES, which still holds out after 20+ years, it's nothing; but I didn't expect such delicate components in the PS2 (DVD drive...) to last more than 2 years.

Re:F Sony (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415711)

Of course, my launch-day Gamecube, which has gotten heavy use (Mario Kart, Super Monkey Ball, Beach Strikers in a student flat), still works perfectly fine. On the other hand, my actual DVD players seem to die about once a year... Hopefully, my PS3 and Wii will stay alive longer than 5 years.

Re:F Sony (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412147)

Oh, and don't get me started on the rootkit's Sony was installed on user's computers.

Yeah, those bastard rootkits were ALWAYS installing Sony on my drives :P

Re:F Sony (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#19416177)

The PS3 seems (so far) to be the most reliable of the bunch. Everyone knows of the 360's red-ring problem, and the Wii has had some bricking issues with firmware updates and issues with graphical artifacts due either to a badly-applied heatsink or a faulty graphics chip (in fact, mine's currently in for repair for this issue.. :/ )

The only widespread thing I've seen about the PS3 is that it'll crash if it runs too hot, but if you're not a dumbass and you actually give it some airflow, you won't have that issue. Besides that, it seems like a quite solid machine and reliability complaints have been very, very rare for it.

Re:F Sony (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#19416411)

The PS3 seems (so far) to be the most reliable of the bunch. Everyone knows of the 360's red-ring problem, and the Wii has had some bricking issues with firmware updates and issues with graphical artifacts due either to a badly-applied heatsink or a faulty graphics chip (in fact, mine's currently in for repair for this issue.. :/ )

The only widespread thing I've seen about the PS3 is that it'll crash if it runs too hot, but if you're not a dumbass and you actually give it some airflow, you won't have that issue. Besides that, it seems like a quite solid machine and reliability complaints have been very, very rare for it.


Mine is a very very solid PS2 with a blu-ray player stuck on it. I kid but I actually loev the machine. IF only those exclusives start rolling in so I can say "i own a ps3" without getting looks of pitty. It provides a lot of extra utility to my big screen.

Of course the PSP can compete! (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412229)

You can't lose without competing.

The whole thing is silly. Remember when Sony introduced a games machine more powerful than any other machine ever released in its form factor, which also cost more than any other machine ever released in that form factor, partially due to their decision to try to use it as a platform to promote their own media format and sell movies, and Nintendo released a much weaker games machine with an unusual interface that people thought was a gimmick, but it sold more than twice as well as the Sony system?

Re:Of course the PSP can compete! (0, Troll)

Hitto (913085) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412893)

Actually, ds outsells psp FIVE TO ONE.

Re:Of course the PSP can compete! (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#19413469)

Yeah, and Wii is outselling PS3 about 5:1 right now, but overall installed base is closer to 2:1 in both cases.

"Lose" doesn't mean anything anyway. (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415977)

So, just because you're behind first place, you've "lost"? Let's see, then Macs have lost, Yahoo has lost, Firefox has lost, Nissan has lost, Burger King has lost, Pepsi has lost... ... or maybe, just maybe, you don't have to be in first to be successful.

Of course... (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412347)

Even the DS has rumble [wikipedia.org] .

Two different handhelds for two different markets (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412567)

I have both a DS and a PSP. I love them both, but they are completely different and I use them differently. The DS is great for quick gaming sessions you can pick it up and play for five minutes here and five minutes there. The PSP on the otherhand is for longer gaming sessions and has more console like games. I like the ability to play longer games in a mobile format, I can play without hogging the TV and its great for extended travelling. When I have a decent amount of time I always choose my PSP over my DS but for quick gaming the DS cant be beat.

Re:Two different handhelds for two different marke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19412771)

How can a device with the battery life of the PSP possibly be considered "great for extended travelling"?

Re:Two different handhelds for two different marke (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412959)

Most hotel rooms have outlets, unless your a hobo electricity isnt hard to find. Car/Airplane power adaptors are cheap as well so keeping it juiced while flying, camping or on the road isnt very difficult. As a sidenote the battery issues with the PSP have been greatly exaggerated, if your worried about it turn down the brightness and turn off the wifi and you can generally get around 6 hours out of it.

Re:Two different handhelds for two different marke (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415813)

Have they fixed the wifi battery issues yet? One of my main gripes with getting a PSP is that the wifi drains the battery faster than it can be charged.

Re:Two different handhelds for two different marke (2, Insightful)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415999)

How can a car with the gas mileage of the Mercedes S500 possibly be considered "great for extended travelling"?

Different people have different needs. One person's "great" may mean "versatile" while another's may mean "long battery life".

Re:Two different handhelds for two different marke (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415777)

I also own both a PSP and a DS, and on a basic level, you're right. I use them for different things, too. However, I think Sony's excuse that "we're in a different market, and our market just happens to be smaller" is pretty cheap either way.

PSP vs. DS (2, Insightful)

TheGeneration (228855) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412597)

I have a PSP. It is the most boring game device I have ever owned. I keep buying games for it, stupidly forgetting that all these games are just PS2 ports. I never enjoyed any PS2 games, why would I enjoy them on the PSP? You gotta hand it to Nintendo for creating a unique device and developing games specifically for that device.

Nintendo clearly understands that if you create a fun form that when develop games that use that form you're going to end up with a fun exclusive that you can't get anywhere else.

They did it with the DS, they did it with the Wii, and you could argue they did it with the analog stick on the N64.

Re:PSP vs. DS (2, Insightful)

Kohath (38547) | more than 7 years ago | (#19413641)

I never enjoyed any PS2 games...

Some other people did.

Re:PSP vs. DS (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#19415853)

I never enjoyed any PS2 games
Well, that's unfortunate for you. A hundred million people disagree with you, though.

But... (1)

spocksbrain (1097145) | more than 7 years ago | (#19412875)

'The technology behind PSP is still top-end and so that doesn't need to be addressed'.

...but the interface and OS is god-awful: One lousey control stick and D-pad that are so poorly disigned that it makes gameplay frustrating and causes cramping after relatively short periods of use and the OS' menu layout is obnoxious and requires tedious clicking up and down long menus... not to mention every new firmware update (usually required by most new games) kills all homebrew apps.

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