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.75 GHz Athlon Released

justin++ posted more than 14 years ago | from the mhz-are-for-wimps dept.

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News.com is reporting that AMD has released a new 750 MHz Athlon. The chip is quite pricey ($800 in lots of 1000), but should be available before the year is over. Jerry Sanders says AMD is having a strong quarter. Cnnfn.com also has an article about the release of the chip, and also mentions that a 533 MHz K6-2 was released.

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Why bother? (1)

famfurnell (113415) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496423)

A 750 Mhz Athlon cannot be much better than a 733 Mhz Athlon...? Surely the huge price premium is more to make a profit for those k-rad hax0rs who can go and measure their processor speed in gigahertz... AFAIK there are no > 700 Mhz CPUs available in the UK, so I can't get one for the moment, but when they do come out, will there be a practical use for them?

Dresden or Austin? (1)

Epi-man (59145) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496424)

Since I didn't see any mention that these parts were coming from Dresden, does anyone know if that means Austin has already switched over to the 0.18um process? I was under the impression that they were going to ramp up Dresden and then take Austin down for the switch.

Technological Advancements (3)

citizenx (117856) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496425)

I'm all for technology advancing, really. Everything's getting smaller faster "better", and that's just beautiful. But this really screws up bragging. It just sounds weird to say "Yeah, I just bought a P5 1.25" "Pfft, I've got a 1.3, loser"

Strong quarter? (1)

Mr. Piccolo (18045) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496426)

You better believe it.

At least strong enough to produce a good TV commercial where because some guy doesn't know the Athalon is faster than the Pentium III, he causes a train to smash into the building he's working in.

Although they can't be doing that well, since I've only seen it once as opposed to the millions and millions of times Intel commercials have aired.

Re:Why bother? (1)

nd (20186) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496427)

I think you are confusing the Athlon with the P3/Coppermine. Until today, the fastest "real" K7 available was in 700mhz. The fastest P3 was 733mhz.

A few mistakes (2)

ajs (35943) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496428)

The article makes a very minor mistake. They imply that the speed advantage has something to do with clock-rate, and of course, it has nothing to do with that. Other than that, it's a good article, though I'm not sure that the Intel stock price had anything to do with this development DIRECTLY.

Just a clarification (1)

TheJet (93435) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496429)

Hey everyone,

Just to let everyone know that the exciting thing about this chip is that it is made using the new .18u process. Yes, that means less heat and better OC possibilities abound!!

I may be just me, but I am waiting to see what KryoTech can pull off with this baby!

TheJet

The speed isn't really interesting - the game is! (2)

Troed (102527) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496430)

That is, the ongoing battle between AMD and Intel. I seriously hope that AMD will be able to continously deliver CPUs with a higher MHz rating than Intel (_real_ speed not that important, we all know MHz is what counts when bragging/marketing)

Intel has had a close-to-be monopoly for all too long, and AMD is the best chanse we have to change that.

I've already done my part, I've strongly advocated the buy of Athlon-based computers for the software developers where I work, and hopefully they'll come (I'm not in IS, but they usually listen to what we developers have to say ;)

So, all you tech-people with a chance to make a statement out there - you _are_ helping AMD in breaking Intels monopoly, right?

(and if you ask me, yes, Athlon is the better CPU also ... if it wasn't, I wouldn't recommend it ...)

Performance hitch with 750Mhz Athlon (3)

questionlp (58365) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496431)

There is a very nice review of the new 750Mhz Athlon over at http://anandtech.com

The review states that the new Athlon's external L2 cache does not run at 1/2 CPU speed but rather at 1/2.5 of CPU speed. So L2 cache dependant programs don't perform quite as well on the 750Mhz Athlon as anticipated. According to the review, the processor's FPU marks are (of course) faster than it's 700Mhz brother, but does the extra cost justify the minimal performance increase?

Many people would say no (including me), but remember that the consumers don't care about the internals of the processor, but rather care about the Mhz rating... That's why both Intel and AMD have pushed out 700+ Mhz processors already, even though their previous roadmaps show that they weren't going to push out those processors until Q1 or Q2 of 2000.

Anywho... just to inform you guys about the difference in the L2 cache...

Re:Why bother? (1)

Epi-man (59145) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496432)

Athlons have steps of 50 MHz, there is no 733 MHz Athlon, it jumps from 700 MHz to 750 MHz. I saw an interesting review here (hope I can remember how to do links!):

Anandtech Review [anandtech.com]

I do hope they get the L2 cache on die in a hurry, but of course, think of the transistor count after dumping in another 512 kB of memory!

Re:Dresden or Austin? (1)

Mr. Piccolo (18045) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496433)

From AMD's own press release on their site:

AMD Athlon processors are now manufactured on AMD's aluminum 0.18-micron process technology in Fab 25 in Austin, Texas.

So I have no idea what comes from Dresden...

Re:Why bother? (1)

famfurnell (113415) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496434)

I'm sorry... you're right. There have been shops over here advertising 733s, although when quizzed they've all said they're 'out of stock'... how convenient (!)

AMD needs to bother! (1)

Pollux (102520) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496435)

A 750 Mhz Athlon cannot be much better than a 733 Mhz Athlon...? Surely the huge price premium is more to make a profit for those k-rad hax0rs who can go and measure their processor speed in gigahertz...

Can't you see what's happening, though? We're actually seeing AMD for the first time as a competetor rather than an alternative.

Back with the K6, AMD leapfrogged Intel for a moment, but when Intel released the Pentium II a month later, AMD cowered back to it's corner, releasing processors where one could only brag about the price rather than the performance.

But now, AMD's no longer accepting second banana. They release Athlon, leapfrogging Intel. Intel releases Coppermine, catching up to Intel and leapfrogging them in MHz speeds. What does AMD do? They leapfrog Intel again in MHz speeds.

AMD no longer wants to say that they have a "cheap alternative" to Intel. They're finally saying "Screw Intel, we got the faster chip!" And they even have TV Adds now kickin Intel in the butt over it! And for the first time, Intel's actually worried over it!

The important point here is that AMD's fighting back Intel, and they're doing quite a nice job, too! Just because 750 MHz isn't much faster than 733MHz, it does mean that AMD's fighting back!

Another reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496436)

Why you should always buy just below the state of the art. The 750MHz Athlon isnt that much better than the 600 for most things, certainly not in price/performance terms. That dosent mean I dont want one, just that I cannot justify the expense at this time.

I remember reading a guide for how to build a low cost linux system years ago. The advice was to decide how much power you needed, then how much you are willing to pay. Stage 2 is to wait.

I would suggest Feb might be a good time as the 1GHz part will have been out for a month or so & prices will probably have started to slide.

Time for a BIOS upgrade (1)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496437)

Most of the K6 motherboards I've seen support at most 5x100MHz for a 500MHz clock speed.

What is 533 anyway? 7x75?

AMD Athlon (2)

hattig (47930) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496438)

This is just more proof that AMD has finally got something working well for once. Rumours have it that AMD could release 1GHz Athlons whenever they want, but they want to upset Intels "750MHz" day in January (the 10th) by releasing it then (or an 800/900MHz Athlon.

The Athlon is a much better design than the PIII. Now it is 0.18micron it should run cooler too. I would estimate that a 750MHz Athlon was around the equivalent of an 800MHz+ PIII.

Of course, there is the motherboard availability problems, but they are out there now in ever increasing numbers. The technology is old enough now for most of the early problems to have been ironed out.

I would like to see the spec figures for the new Athlon. Should provide interesting reading. I noticed that the FP figures for the 733MHz PIII were an abnormal jump higher than the normal PIII figures. Of course, if you really want power, then get an Alpha!

Of course, AMD has yet to concentrate on the SMP versions of the Athlon. When these arrive, Intel might start looking wistfully at its high end server market.

I am glad for this competition in the 'popular' CPU market, as it really drives prices down. Intel are on the losing end at the moment, but I imagine that they will have their day again. I don't think it will be with Itanium or IA-64 though. AMD have their own 64-bit expensions to IE-32 which they are creating, and the compatability _with speed_ issue might sway a lot of people towards AMDs offering rather than Intels EPIC monstrosity. Shame that such a old unwieldy ISA is still alive though.

I remember about a year and a half ago when Motorola confidently predicted that there would be 1GHz PPCs by the end of 1999. Strange that the one company you wouldn't have thought would have got there are within a hairs breadth of this goal.

Cooling these beasts (1)

generic (14144) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496439)

I havent bought a computer since 1992, yep all 486s at home. How are they cooling these fast chips it must be more than multiple fans and heat sinks.

AMD Vs Intel (2)

DaveHowe (51510) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496440)

It's nice to see that AMD is keeping ahead of Intel in the speed wars, but not so nice to see they seem to be pushing up into the same sort of price bracket to do so. One of the GOOD things about the AMD Vs Intel wars was that it was acting to push prices for chips down; I don't really *want* to be forced into buying the latest and greatest chip at enormous expense, just so I can play the latest games; I would much rather have a chip at a price I can afford, that is just below the leading edge
That said, the tiny little trailer that points to the new 553MHz K6 [amd.com] at a reasonable price is a much more welcome sight....
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Cooling these beasts (1)

generic (14144) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496441)

I havent bought a computer since 1992, yep all 486s at home. How are they cooling these fast chips? it must be more than multiple fans and heat sinks. What do you people have for setups at home?

Re:Dresden or Austin? (1)

nd (20186) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496442)

From the announcement on AMD's website..

The 750MHz AMD Athlon processor is the first processor that is built using AMD's aluminum 0.18-micron manufacturing process, and new AMD Athlon processors are now being built using that advanced technology. The 0.18-micron manufacturing process shrinks the size of the AMD Athlon processor die, enabling faster processor speeds and lowering power consumption.


So, yeah, starting now.. everything >750 from AMD is .18 micron.

The revenge of the underdog (3)

LarsWestergren (9033) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496443)

I have been startled by the recent development in the computer business, how quickly a company can fall from grace and another rise to take its place. A few years ago (before I knew about Linux and Slashdot I should add) I thought the Wintel alliance had such a deathgrip on the market it would take at least 10 years before something would come along that could replace them.

But this year there have been at least three companies that went practically overnight from being the standard that all others were measured against to being rather pathetically looking has-beens. Microsoft is in deep shit. Most people consider 3Dfx thoroughly beaten by nVidia in the current generation of cards, and from what I have seen in their next generation cards nVidia will continue to widen the gap. They are finally beginning to handle enough polygons to give realistic outdoor scenes with "real" trees. What is 3Dfx boasting about? Putting four identical old technology chips on a new board, which wastes memory and requires a separate power line in to the card. A buffer that can give you blurred motion lines? Whopee, that must be fun all of five minutes. And now AMD finally getting everything right, including the timing of the launch.

But even if the upstarts are current media darlings they are still fighting an uphill battle. They have less money to throw around on advertising and continued research, and they must make a lot of profit and contine to win consumer loyalty or they risk falling back into obscurity.

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Dual Athlon Boards? (1)

Phizzy (56929) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496444)

Does anyone have any info on any Dual Athlon Boards in the works? I looked around Tom's the other day and only saw the 5 single athlon boards available at the moment.. does anyone know if any manufacturers are developing a dual board? I would LOVE to find one.. 1.5GHz would make me very happy.

//Phizzy

Re:Dual Athlon Boards? (1)

questionlp (58365) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496445)

Of what I've heard... AMD is working on their new chipset that will handle dual and quad processor setups, with RAMBUS and AGP 4x. There was a rumour that the new chipset is set to debut late Q1 of 2000, but the source didn't have a firm answer from AMD nor from any of the motherboard manufacturers.

more links! (2)

DaveHowe (51510) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496446)

In case anyone is interested, here are links to the technical specs pages for the Athlon [amd.com] and the K6-2 [amd.com]
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Intel must be worried... (3)

Gerv (15179) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496447)

...what with all the problems they've had this year - the fiasco over Camino, then the Processor Serial Number thing (the E.U. is considering banning serialed P3's altogether, of course) and serious shortages of its high end processors.

AMD, on the other hand, has the fastest Mhz processor (good for PR, even if the speed increase is only a few percent) and is selling its lower end processors as fast as it can crank them out.

Could it be that we finally have competition in the processor industry? (faint)

There's a good review of Intel's year at The Register [theregister.co.uk] .

Gerv

Re:Performance hitch with 750Mhz Athlon (1)

nd (20186) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496448)

Anandtech [anandtech.com] recently conducted a test to evaluate the performance tradeoffs of a higher clock rate and L2 cache speed.

He concluded that while the reduced L2 cache speed DOES affect some things, clock rate is way more important. This suprised me, the L2 cache speed reduction affected it very minimally.

Re:Just a clarification (1)

drw (4614) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496449)

KryoTech has announced/released their 1GHz system which uses the 750MHz (0.18 process).

It should be fairly easy to get this processor up to 850MHz with the usual OC tricks. The stock cache runs at 1/2.5 of CPU (1/2.5*750=300MHz) which might need to be set down to 1/3 to get it running.

Should see some additional improvements once they add the copper process (which is probably what will be needed to reach 1GHz with normal cooling).

Also, didn't see this mentioned elsewhere, but AMD did demo a 900MHz air-cooled (i.e. heat sink/fan combo) Athlon at Comdex. This means their availability can't be far off!

Re:AMD needs to bother! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496450)

The other thing to remember is that MHz are not a good speed comparison across different chip designs - i.e. 700 Athlon MHz are better than 700 Cumine MHz, since the athlon's architecture does more per clock cycle. A 750Mhz athlon is both faster in real, and intel propagated delusion terms! Go AMD!

This is what intel relies on the consumer not knowing. They pulled the same trick in the 68k/x86 wars of a bygone era - A 50MHz 68060 is comparable to a 100-150MHz pentium one! - but people figured the x86 was faster, since it "had more megahertz" D'oh!


Re:Cooling these beasts (2)

questionlp (58365) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496451)

At http://www.hardocp.com, they have an article on how to remove the casing around the AMD Athlon processors and expose the `slug' and the cache chips. But if you choose to leave the casing on, any SECC1 cooling fan will cool those suckers down!

There is supposed to be several articles on how to convert a SECC1 or SECC2 alpha heatsink to fit on a bare Athlon processor, but the article isn't done yet.

Since the processor is manufactured using the .18 micron process, the chip `should' run cooler than the 700Mhz .25 micron Athlon. But in any case, those things radiate 90+ watts of heat, which is a lot for a processor, but not as bad as some of the DEC Alpha, Pentium !!! 600+ Mhz, and the newer SPARC processors. The Alpha's can radiate over 120 watts of heat. Hey! With a dual processor Alpha system... I might be able to make some toast, since it does tend to toast x86 systems running Linux ;)

Hoo yoo callin a consuemer? (1)

Rares Marian (83629) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496452)

Gah when will the novelty wear off so we can see these babies used in real life, not in this ridiculous only techies would care circus.

Re:Cooling these beasts (2)

DaveHowe (51510) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496453)

How are they cooling these fast chips it must be more than multiple fans and heat sinks. Difficult to tell - the cooling information should be Here [amd.com] , but that seems to only go up to the 700. I suspect they haven't gotten around to updating that bit yet, or Marketing are outstripping Production - just like at Intel :+)
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Re:Dual Athlon Boards? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496454)

Actually a single CPU chipset that supports AGP 4x and PC133 RAM (but, not Rambus) should appear early next year. However, this chipset will be from VIA not AMD.

Math is hard. (1)

Sylvestre (45097) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496455)

Small point folks: 750 mega-hertz is .732 giga-hertz. Please, don't make math errors like this, it looks dumb.

BTW: The light that burns twice as bright actually only burns one-eigth as long. Please stop saying it's half, that's wrong.

I also have a lot to say about other homilies but I'll let it rest.

Re:Performance hitch with 750Mhz Athlon (1)

questionlp (58365) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496456)

I did read that article about the difference between running a processor with it's cache at original speed and at a lower speed. I do agree (and that's why I stated that the FPU marks are higher on the 750Mhz) that lowering the L2 cache speed really doesn't affect performance in many cases, but in some cases it can.

I did leave out some of that in my post, but thanks for adding that ;)

One thing AMD does need to do is bump up the bus speed and/or try to push for PC200 RAM (which I think there was a link on Anand's page this morning... 8am PST). That would really start things up in the high-end workstation and server market.

Re:Dual Athlon Boards? (1)

nd (20186) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496457)

SlotA [slota.com] has a K7 motherboard list that tells you this. I think the first dual Athlon boards will appear in January or February.

750Mhz != 0.75Ghz (1)

lw54 (73409) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496458)

0.75Ghz == 768Mhz

Re:Math is hard. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496459)


-1 points for you.

In terms of speed, Giga = 1000x Mega

In terms of binary stuff, Giga = 1024x Mega

This is just a convenience term, the number is close enough to 1000 to just assume it is a thousand (and vice-versa). HDs have capacities measured the former, making installed HDs look worse than when they were in the box. RAM is the latter, which accounts for your error.

A 4 MHz clock runs 4,000,000 cycles a second, not 4,194,304 cycles a second.

Ner ner ner.

Re:Performance hitch with 750Mhz Athlon (1)

nd (20186) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496460)

Ahh... I should've realized that someone posting about it would've read the article anyways. But in any case, others may not have known.

But, I agree about the PC200 RAM... it's too bad it seems so far off yet. It could make Rambus look even less ideal right now.

Re:750Mhz != 0.75Ghz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496461)


-1 points for you too!

Look above.

Kilo = 1000
Mega = 1000000
Giga = 10000000000

When it came to RAM, because capacity went up in powers of 2 (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, etc) they decided that 1,024bytes should be called a kilobyte because it was pretty close to 1000 bytes, and it made a nice abbreviation.

Clock speed is not a power of 2. Hence 0.75GHz == 750Mhz.

Re:Math is harder. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496462)

Nope. Sorry - these aren't megabytes and gigabytes. Mega and Giga mean exactly what they mean - million and billion in this case.

Re:Performance hitch with 750Mhz Athlon (1)

questionlp (58365) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496463)

Don't worry about it ;)

It just never really entered my mind until after I submitted the post... but people are now informed...

If AMD pulls the right strings and work at it, they can help push along the PC200 development quicker and cheaper (well... at least when compared to RAMBUS anyways).

Re:Math is hard. (1)

ncw (59013) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496464)

> 750 mega-hertz is .732 giga-hertz

Actually it isn't! In frequency land 1000 Mhz is
exactly 1 Ghz. It is only in computer land that we get the 1024 (2^10) multiplier.

Well, this isn't quite true... anyone who has ordered a 2 Mbit leased line knows they are getting a 2048000 bit/s connection ;-)

Re:Math is hard. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496465)

Hey, if HD manufacturers can think of 1000megs as 1gig, we can think of 750MHz as 0.75GHz. Anyway, last I heard, frequency was still based on 1000, not 1024.

Re:Math is hard. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496466)

I might be wrong (no stretch of the imagination, there) but isn't Hz is a standard unit of measure (for cycles per second) in the Metric system? Therefore, the metric definitions of the prefixes would apply.

So, 1 Hz = 1 cycle per second
1 kHz = 1000 cycles per second
1 MHz = 1000000 cycles per second
1 GHz = 1000 MHz
So.....75 GHz = 750 MHz

And if you _really_ wanted to be silly:
1 mHz = 1 cycle every 1000 seconds
1 cHz = 1 cycle every 100 seconds

You get the picture...

It's easy to confuse, because 1 kB = 1024 bytes and 1 MB = 1024 kB, but that's just because the original computer geeks had some strange facination with powers of two.

AMD needs to push in the workstation market (1)

questionlp (58365) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496467)

I know that AMD has already released information that they will be making the Professional and Select versions of the Athlon processor, but right now Intel is slipping on the high-end workstation side.

News.com had an article stating that Dell and HP will not be using some of Intel's newer Pentium III Xeon processors because the processors cost too much and don't provide that much more performance over the new Pentium III .18 micron processors (which are at least $100 cheaper and their closest Xeon cousin).

Currently, AMD has been pushing at the consumer and middle-level workstations, but not enough at the high-end workstation and server market enough. With the Camino stink, the possible EU ban on the Pentium III processors, and the cost/performance problems with Rambus... Intel has opened themselves to losing some of their share in the workstation market.

With VIA producing their new PC133/AGP 4x Athlon chipset, this might help Micron and HP to look more at the Athlon processors as a workstation processor and start pushing those workstations at possibly a lower price than their Pentium III counterparts. If AMD starts working on a more robust and more flexible chipset (read: supports multiple processors, possible support for DDR RAM or Rambus, 64-bit PCI and even on-board Firewire), they might be able to influence Dell to start making Athlon-based Precision workstations or Athlon-based PowerEdge servers (running Windows NT, Linux or even FreeBSD!)

Re:750Mhz != 0.75Ghz (2)

jilles (20976) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496468)

To add to this: HZ is a measure for frequency. It is equivalent to the SIS unit 1/s (s is second) or one per second. A MegaHerz MHZ is 1000000*1/s or 1000000HZ. GigaHerz just adds a factor 10^3.
Simple

Actually PC266 and a whole lot more... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496469)

Actually I doubt you'll see PC200 RAM much at all, when we start seeing DDR SDRAM for desktop memory it'll more likely be based on the PC133 RAM that is already out (thus PC266 RAM). You can be sure support for this is comming next year along with LDT (Lightning Data Transport, a new bus specifically designed for very fast and efficient multiprocessing machines).

While on the same sort of subject someone pointed out in an earlier comment about how AMD is turning into a competater rather than an alternative. This will be significatly more visible with AMD's 64 bit processor vs IA-64 architecture since AMD for the first time will not just be "copying" Intel's instruction set. Personally I think AMD's plan will go over well for a lot of x86 users wanting to go to 64 bit but not wanting to simply expand the architecture rather than go with a whole new one (though both will be able to run 32 bit x86 code, AMD's chip will do it faster though). The real question is how long will it take AMD to come out with it and how many more delays will Intel put on IA-64 (especially considering the first two IA64 chips, Merced and McKinnley are targeted toward the server market, not the desktop market). So the competition between Intel and AMD will only grow hotter in the years to come (not to mention Rambus vs DDR SDRAM, etc...).

For those who might have missed AMD's presentation at this years microprocessor forum (it talks about stuff like LDT and AMD's 64 bit processor) here is the link: http://www.amd.com/prod ucts/cpg/mpf/pres99/micropforum.html [amd.com]

AMD vs Intel standings (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496470)

This is interesting, especially the relative shift in stock prices of AMD vs Intel.

Back when I got my K6/2 (I'm now running a K6/3-400), I resolved that I would support AMD exclusively, until the were within 5% of the market share with Intel. I would then just go with whichever company offered the best product/price match for me at any given time... hopefully, AMD and Intel are always neck and neck with each other, letting neither gain an enormous edge so they have to really scamble to compete and keep up, this is the only way to keep innovation alive...

Speaking of which, does anyone have a favorite source of market-share stats like this ? I'd like to keep up on a day-to-day basis. =)

DUAL Athelon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496471)

Hi, Anyone know of the status of Multiple Athelon MB's? And can the current Athelon's be used on the MP boards? !Google! For seriously lost people

Re:The speed isn't really interesting - the game i (1)

DoomHaven (70347) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496472)

Sorry to deride you; I mean, you are backing AMD in your own way. And that's good. But my view is that the best way to back AMD is the way I did, with my wallet. I have bought not one but two processors for the my home computer from them. My first was the AMD K6-2, 300MHz (and it was *so* sweet, what an upgrade from the DX-4 100MHz Cyrix....), and just recently, a K7-600MHz (with a ASUS K7M motherboard). It is a very nice system.

So, I hope I haven't insulted you, and I am glad you are spreading the good Athlon word. I just think that the best method is to *buy* AMD, and not just spread the word.

Re:Dual Athlon Boards? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496473)

For more information about how AMD plans to really allow fast multiprocessor systems read about the LDT here: http://www.amd.com/prod ucts/cpg/mpf/pres99/micropforum.html [amd.com]

Re:Math is hard. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496474)

>Small point folks: 750 mega-hertz is .732 >giga-hertz. Please, don't make math errors like >this, it looks dumb. Actually, the only one looking dumb ar you.... In the 'real' world Giga just means 1000000000 So 750Mhz==0.75Ghz Only when it comes to memory where we use the magic number 2 we say 1024Mb is 1Gb.... (2^10) Grtz, Jeroen

Re:Amd Sucks (0)

Xunker (6905) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496475)

*cough* Flamembait *cough* Meta-Moderation here PLEASE! Pitiful Intel slut...

Intel, innovator; AMD, living in the past (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496476)

I see a number of posts glorying in the thought of AMD eventually beating out Intel. Yet ask yourselves, you (predominantly) Linux users who claim to value "innovation," who is the current innovator? Is it AMD that is just pushing out processors, which, despite their speed, are not technological leaps forward, or is it Intel that is on the cusp of bringing out Merced, which, combined with RAMBUS technology, sponsored by Intel, represents a virtual processor revolution?

Intel has always produced good products and is on the verge of pushing past the outdated i386 architecture; AMD is, on the other hand, what it always has been, namely, a company which lags 1-2 years behind Intel.

I think the Linux community has a tendency to favor the underdog, regardless of facts or the situation...

Re:AMD needs to push in the workstation market (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496477)

I'd love to see Dell sell machines with Athlon processors. But the day we see AMD chips in Dell computers is the day we know AMD has all but won the war and isn't going away...

You're welcome (1)

twdorris (29395) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496478)

Those of you interested in the release of the 533Mhz K6-2...you're welcome. I *just* placed an order for the 500Mhz chip this morning. So, of course, to ensure that the things I buy are immediately outdated, AMD felt it necessary to announce the 533 model today...

Ugh. Obsolete before it even arrives...

Re:The speed isn't really interesting - the game i (1)

barleyguy (64202) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496479)

I agree with you on this. AMD depends on the techie/OEM market to sell many of their chips. It is basic common sense that this would help them.

By the way, the AMD processors I have owned so far are:

AMD 286/16, AMD 386/25, AMD 486/40, AMD 5x86/133, AMD K6-2/350, and an AMD K6-3/450. I'm holding out on the Athlon until the dual (or quad) processor boards come out. If I'm going to go above 450, I want to be able to put in more than one processor.

Re:The speed isn't really interesting - the game i (1)

j a w a d (66763) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496480)

Unfortunately, when I bought my computer (in August) the Athlon chips were out, but motherboards weren't readily available. Whats the current situation with motherboards? How many options does one have?


i dont display scores, and my threshhold is -1. post accordingly.

K6-2 v Athlon @~500-550mHz?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496481)

Can someone point me to a comparison of the K6-2 533 and the Athlon 550? THX

It's all about process technology (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496482)

your 486s are probably made on 1 or 0.8 micron process. The new K7 is on 0.18 micron.

the main benefits of process advancements are:

- Size (K7 with 22M transistors is about the size of a 486 with about 1 or 2M)
- Frequency, yeah make it smaller and you can make it run faster (K7/750 vs. 486/33 ;) )
- HEAT, yep, make it smaller and it will need less power, and dissipate less heat

The only problem is that process technology did not scale linearly with the number of transistors CPU makers put on the silicon die. Today's CPUs like K7 or P6 use architectural tricks to attain very high clock speeds (deep pipelining).

So yes, today's CPUs may run 3 or 4x hotter than yesterday's but they perform 20 or 30x better !

FYI, K7 has a maximum heat dissipation of 50 or 60 Watts, that's not enormous when you compare it with the 100 Watts of the Alpha 21264 ...

SMP?! (1)

Adam Wiggins (349) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496483)

What I want to know is: WHERE THE HELL ARE THE ATHALON SMP MOTHERBOARDS?!

*grumble*

Re:You are the one looking dumb here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496484)

That's not a 750 MEGABYTES processor.

Playing smart-ass when you don't know your stuff can be very embarassing sometimes.

don't read PR material uncritically (2)

MenTaLguY (5483) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496485)

... Intel [which] is on the cusp of bringing out Merced, which, combined with RAMBUS technology, sponsored by Intel, represents a virtual processor revolution?

You should be aware that most of the technologies used in the Merced architecture (which you should be aware is now called "Itanium") were previously pioneered in architectures like PA-RISC. 64-bit architectures in general have been around for a long time, too. RAMBUS was developed outside of Intel by Rambus Incorporated.

Intel is bringing these technologies to the desktop market, which is not a bad thing, but there are no recent indications of any special ability to innovate, as none of these technologies originated with Intel.

The only reason AMD has currently stuck with implementing ia32 clones has been that they have not been in a secure enough situation to do much else (although, they have made some interesting technological advances even in implementing their clones). If they manage to gain a reasonably comfortable position in the market, they will finally be able to take the same kinds of risks.

Based on past performance (cheaper processors, better designs, less bastardly behavior, less bungling), I would much rather have a financially secure AMD in the role of introducing newer technology to the desktop market, rather than Intel. That is why I (and I suspect many other slashdot readers) choose to support AMD.

I think the Linux community has a tendency to favor the underdog, regardless of facts or the situation...

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I think some critics (read: you) of the "Linux community" (read: slashdot posters) have a tendency to blindly take Intel PR material at face value, regardless of the facts of the situation.

Re:Intel, innovator; AMD, living in the past (2)

hattig (47930) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496486)

Is it AMD that is just pushing out processors, which, despite their speed, are not technological leaps forward

I wouldn't call the equivalent Intel chips "technological leaps forward" myself. I think that AMD has done an awful lot of technological work. The Athlon is a much better design than the Pentium III and is therefore faster, cycle for cycle, than a P3, and that was at 0.25micron. Now it is at 0.18micron, so it is cooler and faster. AMD aren't resting on their laurels though. They are using their Lightning Data Transport to provide very fast interconnects between SMP Athlons, which will mean an even greater increase in power!

Intel has always produced good products and is on the verge of pushing past the outdated i386 architecture; AMD is, on the other hand, what it always has been, namely, a company which lags 1-2 years behind Intel.

Intel designed the i386 architecture, and it was outdated when it was designed. Since then Intel has created such 'innovations' as MMX and motherboards that aren't futureproof (because they change their processors so new processors won't work on old boards). AMD did imitate originally, but now they innovate - witness their 64-bit extensions to x86 (sure, a crock, but x86 is here and everything runs on it, and I think it will be here for another 5 years at the very least).

Intel haven't done much RAMBUS stuff - they can't get it to work properly. Putting a lot of money into a company to produce RIMMs is a lot different. Would you call Apple a company that was innovative in the TFT LCD screen market? No.

Anyway, the true innovation was done in the 80's by ARM and the '90s with the Alpha. Altivec is another great innovation. Itanium is NOT an innovation, it is the bastard child of VLIW and predicated execution, and done in a horrible way that people will laugh at in years to come. Anadium (my name for McKinley) might be better, but by then Alphas will have risen, with the £100m advertising campaign that Compaq are going to do for it!

Oh, for cheap, low-cost Alphas...

Re: Moderate this guy to "Funny" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496487)

Is it AMD that is just pushing out processors, which, despite their speed, are not technological leaps forward

K7 is faster clock for clock than any x86.
K7 runs at higher clock than any x86.
K7 is cheaper than THE-EVIL-ONE.
x86 is still the most used architecture in the world (and it won't be over soon believe me).

Intel that is on the cusp of bringing out Merced

Merced is 2 years late, and rumours about performance are not good at all. OOCH!

which, combined with RAMBUS technology

DOUBLE OOCH!

sponsored by Intel

god it keeps getting worse !

represents a virtual processor revolution?

Yes I think you got it, it's gonna be more virtual than ever !

Re:Dresden or Austin? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496488)

No. Everything made from now on at Austin will be .18, regardless of what speed it will be rated at.

Re:Math is hard. (1)

Anonymous Colin (69389) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496489)

It's easy to confuse, because 1 kB = 1024 bytes and 1 MB = 1024 kB, but that's just because the original computer geeks had some strange facination with powers of two.

Actually, not that strange. The original propeller-heads (though they weren't called that, 'cause propeller beanies hadn't made it big time yet) thought in hardware terms and each time you added an address line to your memory chip/block you ratcheted maximum capacity up to the next power of 2 level. Now, unless you were a misplaced HR manager or some flavour of Arts/Humanities grad., in the old you'ld never consider releasing a part with less than the maximum possible capacity, hence the universal power of two fetish. OK, there was the decatron tube, but once engineers got over the base 10 obsession, they went whole hog and the world has never been the same!

Of course, units of frequency were defined by physicists, not engineers. This probably says something, but just what I leave as an exercise for the reader.

Athlon TV Commercial & Pronunciation (2)

Delta-9 (19355) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496490)


I was happy to see the AMD commercial for two reasons:

1. IMO, the TV commercial means that AMD is finally reaching the masses (the people that wouldn't buy anything excpet that "Intel Inside" sticker). Making Intel shake, and continue to lower prices.

2. I finally got AMD's pronunciation of that stupid marketing nickname. Better than pentium, that's for sure.

-d9

Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496491)

So I'm confused. What's faster: a 533mhz K6-2, or a 450mhz K6-3? I have a K6-2 300 that I'm gonna upgrade. AMD is sending me mixed signals...

New K6-2 ?! (1)

morbid (4258) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496492)

Why have they brought out a new K6-2 at 533MHz?
Surely they should phase out the K6-2 in favour of the K6 III which has integral level 2 cache, and is therefore a bit faster at the same clock speed.
What am I missing?

Re:Intel, innovator; AMD, living in the past (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496493)

Intel's offerings have usually been lagging when compared to those of motorola( 68K, PowerPC), DEC (ALPHA now Compaq), and SUN. They just gained a higher market share (WINTEL anyone). Merced(itanium?) may follow allong the same lines. There are a lot of other players : ,AMD : Sledgehammer ,SUN : MAJIC (sp?) ,IBM : that dual ppc thing ,Compaq : new alphas , and maybe even the e2k (russian proccessor). Consumers should not follow a company blindly, they should look at price/performance, support, reliability, cost of integration, etc.... The crossplatform nature of linux and *bsds just make this choice easier. We need to live in the present and cost/performance wise... AMD looks like the clear winner at present.

Re:AMD Athlon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496494)

note : a 1GHz PPC would be much faster than a 1GHz x86 chip. PPCs do much more per megahertz, and their architecture is free of legacy cruft. (PPC [macro] assembler is beautifully clean, and easy to program, like the 68k was...)

Re:Cooling these beasts (1)

arcsNsparx (120318) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496495)

There had been a lot of hand-wringing about the time of the 486-100 / Pentium 66 Mhz introduction about heat. The P-66 was about as hot as a chip could get, as I recall, and a lot of them failed due to heat. But there were several saving graces that happened around the same time. One biggie was the change to 3.3 volt chips, which run cooler because of lower voltage (just like turning down a dimmer on a light bulb - less volts, less heat). The others have been covered by the responses already made (lower micron technology, making smaller parts to radiate less heat). I just bought one of the Compaq's that the article mentions with the K6-2 for $550 with 64 M of ram. I don't need a lot of horsepower and can think of other things to do with the remaining $1000 for a new system. The speed is OK, I know I'm buying obsolete technology but hey, I know what it takes to make me happy.

Re:AMD Vs Intel (1)

Bouncings (55215) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496496)

The problem is that they aren't always playing fair. Competition is over-rated. Recently Intel has been throwing dirt. Since the icecream sandwich style P2/Celeron/P3 method of inserting chips replaced ZIF, motherboards have been either AMD - or - Intel.

Bad, Intel! Bad!

This hurts the industry by limiting consumer choice. You can't go out, buy a motherboard, then go buy a chip; you have to plan it out, and if you buy an Intel, you can't just switch to AMD.

  • And duh, of course this is exactly what Intel wanted.

Re:Time for a BIOS upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496497)

Actually, it looks as though it's 8x 66MHz. Good for all those folks (like me) with 66MHz memory, I guess, as long as you don't mind buying a new motherboard......

Re:New K6-2 ?! (2)

Epi-man (59145) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496498)

From what I have gathered reading the reviews on the web, it looks like AMD is having problems with the onboard cache at speeds over 450 MHz in the K6-3, so they are speeding up the K6-2 to keep in competition with the Celery chips from Intel. I hope that we will see the K6-3 chips speed up when the Athlon moves its L2 cache on die.

Abit board? (2)

Brian Knotts (855) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496499)

Anyone know if Abit is going to do an Athlon board? I really like their MBs. I'm going to do a BP-6 for now, but would like to have Athlon as an option down the road.


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Re:Dual Athlon Boards? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496500)

I heard that Hotrail and AMD were working with another partner to develop 8-way systems.

The "Point-to-point" protocol of the Alpha EV6 bus used by the Athlon is much more efficient at multiple CPU configurations.

In the EV6 system all CPU's get their own system bus connection that can go to 400Mhz and 3.2GB/sec to each processor.

The Intel GTL+ bus used by the Pentiums can go to a 133bus with all CPU's sharing that single connection. I don't remember what the transfer is, but it is about 1/3 of the Athlon.

Look at it another way... In the Intel system all CPU's share the 100/133Mhz system bus. In the EV6 Athlon system all CPU's get their own 200/266 (currently) connection to the system bus. Which is better? That is VERY obvious!!!

Re:Dresden or Austin? (1)

denzo (113290) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496501)

That's correct, the aluminum .18 micron CPUs are coming out of Austin's Fab 25. The Dresden Fab 30 is working on .18 micron CPUs with copper interconnects. You won't see these ones until Q1 or Q2 next year.

Re:Math is hard. (1)

Wolfier (94144) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496502)

750 MHz is 0.750 Ghz.

1 GHz = 1000 MHz
1 MHz = 1000 kHz
1 kHz = 1000 Hz

The above figures are exact.

1 kb = 1024 bytes
1 Mb = 1024 kb
1 Gb = 1024 Mb.

These values are also exact. 1024 is used because CPUs always address a power of 2 number of addresses no matter how many address lines it has. So it is a mathematical convenience to use 1024 = 2^10 here.

No such advantage when dealing with Hz.
Thus, 1 GHz, which is a physical unit, stays at 1,000,000,000 Hz.

Athlon more than "slightly" faster than PentiumIII (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496503)

The Athlon is more than slightly faster. We tested it on some (Maya) renders and it was 25-32 percent faster than a Pentium III at the same clock speed.

Note that this is not some contrived benchmark, this is a real world project with a real world program (Maya renderer). Combined with the relatively low cost and the vaporware-ness of coppermine, the Athlon is very attractive right now.

Unless you need SMP of course. I hope they accelerate the creation of SMP Athlon motherboards. If I was AMD I would be doing everything in my power to assist the motherboard makers in the design and manufacture of them.

One more thing (1)

Epi-man (59145) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496504)

Have you forgotten that AMD beat Intel to market with enhanced 3D instructions by several months? The K6-2 was out WAY before the Pentium-III, which was simply a Pentium-II with Intel's version of AMD's 3D-Now! instructions. Happily, AMD didn't try and call this a whole new generation of processor like Intel did.

Why Rambus? (1)

RelliK (4466) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496505)

Why the hell would anyone want Rambus??? It's a crappy technology that perfoms worse than 100MHz SDRAM we have now and costs 5 times as much. Oh wait I know -- it's the Intel's marketing hype. I hope they'll still have a chipset that properly supports SDRAM (not Intel's SDRAM-to-RDRAM converter).

Re:Intel, innovator; AMD, living in the past (1)

Steve B (42864) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496506)

is it Intel that is on the cusp of bringing out Merced, which, combined with RAMBUS technology, sponsored by Intel, represents a virtual processor revolution

Is "virtual" some kind of new poltically correct euphemism for "vaporware"?

The only significant item available in PIIIs and not Athlons is the Big Brother Inside chip ID of the former.
/.

Funny? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496507)

Who moderated this to "Funny"? Pretty sad, IMHO

best way to get this in the hands of a newbie? (1)

eries (71365) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496508)

I'm about to buy a couple of systems for some novice non-nerds. I was about to get them the boring old Pentium III, but I'd much prefer to buy an Athlon. The catch is, the most important thing is service, since these are newbies.

Gateway doesn't do Athlon. What's the best alternative? Any suggestions?

Targeting the server market (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496509)

I swear, every new chip Intel ever released was, "targeted towards the server market." Yet you saw the chip first in high priced desktops. Of course they do this so they can justify the high price of the chip, "Well sure it's expensive, but it's not really for the desktop it's for servers!" Yeah right, when was the last time Intel made a non-mainstream CPU?

Re:AMD Vs Intel - You miss a big point (2)

gothic (64149) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496510)

I agree totally with you on the price war being a awesome thing for us little people. =] But, I can't say AMD is trying really to screw consumers with the pricing of their K7. I think they are excellent prices. You might forget that AMD is much much smaller and has much much more riding on the K7 then Intel has on the P3. Intel can afford to screw up a bit here and there (820, rambus, etc, etc) They have the market(mind)-share and the spare cash to do this with.

On the other hand, AMD really doesn't. They are taking (took?) a major gamble on their K7 chip. I wish AMD the best of luck with their business, and hope everything pays off for them. I wouldn't mind paying 200$ for a K7-500 or so, because I know the chip is worth it. I've read the articles, reviews, etc. I've also seen it in action, so I know my 200$ would be going to something worthwhile.

On the other hand (I'm on my third hand now) Intel charges more Mhz for Mhz on their chips then the superior (IMHO) K7. Why? Because they can. Because they know people will pay for it. AMD can't afford to think like that.

Anyway...That's just my 2 pennies worth.

Re:Hoo yoo callin a consuemer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496511)

I am totaly naked

Re:Math is hard. (1)

lw54 (73409) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496512)

> 1kb = 1024 bytes
Actually, isn't 1kb == 1024 bits? :-)

Re:Why Rambus? (1)

lw54 (73409) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496513)

You're way off. Currently RDRAM is selling for $12 - $15 per MB. :-)

G4 (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496514)

I remember about a year and a half ago when Motorola confidently predicted that there would be 1GHz PPCs by the end of 1999
Yeah, I was a little disappointed with Moto's batch of chips, especially that nast "errata" which resulted in the G4 being bumped down by 50MHz to fulfill demand.
Since the introduction of the 601, the PPC has been met or beaten each developmental timeline. This past year, it kinda stalled.
Don't forget Joe PeeCee doesn't know the difference between a G4 and a P3; the P3 has higher clockspeed so therefore "it must be better."
However, Moto is discussing a new 780MHz "G4+" according to The Register [theregister.co.uk] . It was originally annouced last month. I can't wait to get my mitts on one of those!

Pope

Re:The speed isn't really interesting - the game i (1)

DoomHaven (70347) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496515)

Lot's of motherboards out now. I got mine here [bigfootcomputers.com] , and they did a great job with everything. But anywhere you look, on the web, should have them.

Generally, the MicroStar, the Fester (from AMD), and the ASUS are considered pretty decent. Main problem with the ASUS is that it isn't supported very well (the American webpage has NOTHING on it about the K7M, only the Taiwan page [asus.com.tw] has info on it). I have heard that the FIC board (SD-11) was just a prototype board that was pushed into production because AMD needed the boards.

As for finding the boards, I haven't had a problem.

Patience Pays Off (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496516)

> I remember reading a guide for how to build a low cost linux system years ago. The advice was to decide how much power you needed, then how much you are willing to pay. Stage 2 is to wait.



I agree. I just built a dual Celeron 550 system for $260 ! (I'm a game developer and the extra cpu will be VERY welcome for compiling.)

2 x $35 Celeron 366
2 x $30 Alpha-7 Heatsink/Fan
1 x $130 ABIT BP-6

3D card are another great way to prevent your system from coming obsolete in 6 months. My Voodoo2 really extended the life of my old PPro200. Unreal, and Half-life played just fine. It wasn't until I started playing Thief last month, that the system was starting to chug in some of the larger levels.

Cheers

Re:Why Rambus? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496517)

...yeah and that is easily 5 times as much as PC100 SDRAM ;P Though I don't buy that RDRAM doesn't perform well vs. PC100 SDRAM. It is more comparable to DDR SDRAM or at the least PC133 SDRAM. Still PC266 DDR SDRAM is a better way to go both in terms of performace and price.

Re:best way to get this in the hands of a newbie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1496518)

Try CyberMax [cybmax.com] . Their computers have a 3 year warranty with 1 year in home service as well as 24/7 toll free tech support. Their computers have won awards from magazines such as Maximum PC, PC World, Computer Shopper, and others. It's worth a look.

Re:Dual Athlon Boards? (1)

taniwha (70410) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496519)

Look at it another way... In the Intel system all CPU's share the 100/133Mhz system bus. In the EV6 Athlon system all CPU's get their own 200/266 (currently) connection to the system bus. Which is better? That is VERY obvious!!!

Well maybe not as obvious as you think given that the memory subsystem's also running on the same clock (or 1/2 of it) and is probably the bottle-neck. The solution - the ability to support bigger/wider/more concurrent memory subsystems

On Slot1 the memory transactions on the shared bus are snooped by all CPUs when the original transaction is launched, while on a P-P bus like SlotA I'd guess that snoops must be forwarded to the other bus before snooping can occur (on the other hand this can happen in parallel with the memory access so that's probably not a big deal).

The big problem with EV6 is that with a P-P bus the number of pins on memory controllers goes up linearly with the number of CPUs in an SMP system - there's a DEC paper somewhere on their web site showing how they get around this by making bit-slice datapath chips - but that's going to cost

SlotA still seems to get a 2x transfer rate over and above Slot1 and probably has slightly lower latencies (still largely governed by dram access times).

Re:New K6-2 ?! (1)

morbid (4258) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496520)

Interesting indeed.
I hope they produce a 500MHz K6 III so that I can use it on my motherboard...

Now if they'd only release a dual Athlon motherboard.
... but I know that's no use to the people who play MS Flightsim.

Bah!

Give me a good book and I'll learn multithreading!!!!!!

Check your math... (1)

mduell (72367) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496521)

750/1024 = 0.732 Ghz not .75
Gotta remember that 2^10 stuff :)

Re:Check your math... (1)

mduell (72367) | more than 14 years ago | (#1496522)

Ahhh, sorry about that guys. Too much english and too little math makes Mark go crazy... Too much english and too little math makes Mark go crazy... Too much english and too little math makes Mark go crazy... (Think Homer Simpson with no beer and no TV)
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