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Microsoft and LG Electronics Sign Linux Covenant

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the another-company-of-the-willing dept.

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rs232 wrote with a PC World link discussing another alliance between Microsoft and a vendor via Linux. The vendor this time around is electronics maker LG, and marks the fifth company to license unspecified patents relating to Linux or Linux devices from the OS giant. "'This agreement is focused only on exchange of patent rights,' said David Kaefer, general manager of IP licensing at Microsoft. 'The open-source elements of the deal do utilize a covenant model similar to the Xandros and Novell deals, but this deal is most similar to recent agreements with Samsung and Fuji Xerox.' Those deals were signed this year in April and March, respectively. Both covered general access to intellectual property contained in patent portfolios and included protection for customers using Linux-based software."

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Just wasting their money... (3, Funny)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 6 years ago | (#19427965)

they might as well just start folding their money into paper airplanes and throw em into Redmond

Re:Just wasting their money... (2, Interesting)

xgr3gx (1068984) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428041)

Microsoft is up to something really shady with all these "patent deals" they're doing.
I don't like it one bit. I bet they're afriad of Linux and want to crush it.
I hope the community stands up and absolutely smashes Microsoft

Re:Just wasting their money... (4, Interesting)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428107)

apparently you like everyone else isn't reading the deals properly.

When all is said and done MSFT is PAYING Novell 140 million dollars.

That's right people MSFT is paying protection money to Linux vendors, while telling the press the exact opposite.

read the facts for yourself. not MSFT PR spin only.

Re:Just wasting their money... (3, Informative)

fenux (193823) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428437)

RTFA:
In addition, LG will be making ongoing payments to Microsoft to cover Microsoft patents as they relate to Linux-based embedded devices that LG produces.

Re:Just wasting their money... (4, Interesting)

brunascle (994197) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428583)

does that mean that MS is telling LG what patents they claim they own in linux?

Re:Just wasting their money... (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428693)

And MSFT is paying more money to LG for those devices.

it's the fine print of MSFT PR spin.

Re:Just wasting their money... (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428705)

When all is said and done MSFT is PAYING Novell 140 million dollars.

That's right people MSFT is paying protection money to Linux vendors, while telling the press the exact opposite.

Microsoft is basically buying rights to all of the patents owned by the companies they sign these deals with, so MS can go ahead and infringe on them at will. Pretty sweet deal when you're Microsoft. If anyone else violates the patent, those groups will have to fight against Microsoft's competition.

They also create the perception that anyone who hasn't signed such an agreement is likely to be in violation and therefore in a sketchy legal position. They haven't proven it or anything, merely asserted it and gotten some credibility by having people sign up and appear to agree.

Microsoft is NOT paying protection money to Linux vendors. They're making it look like those companies got something in return for giving up a whole lot more in the end. They're buying the perception that it's in the interest of everyone else to do the same, as well as access to a load of patents in others portfolios. If Microsoft is offering you cash, they're not doing it for altruistic reasons.

Sure, the vendor got the candy bar ... but then they're going to get buggered by the dirty old man they should have stayed away from in the first place.

Cheers

Re:Just wasting their money... (1)

SoulRider (148285) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429025)

I think there is a point there. Could it possibly be that MS has been using Linux IP for awhile and they are doing this to keep MS from getting sued? Or is this some sort of attempt for them to lay claim to IP in Linux and do an end-run around the GPL?

Re:Just wasting their money... (2, Interesting)

statusbar (314703) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429149)

Yes, most likely Microsoft is violating the GPL and is trying to protect their own butts and spin things the other way...

--jeffk++

So there's still some justice in the world (5, Funny)

The_Abortionist (930834) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428193)

After all, how many billion dollars did MS spend to make Windows XP and Vista the best operating systems this universe has ever seen? And some people thought they could just go and steal everything without having Microsoft fight back?

235 patents.

I say again: 235 patents.

Considering how rock solid Windows has been since Windows 2000, and that Linux is still a little flaky, I'm guessing the kernel developers didn't have access to the stability patents by Microsoft.

Well, I'm really only surprised that LG didnt just license Windows instead and be rid of all the issues at once.

Re:Just wasting their money... (5, Insightful)

seaton carew (593626) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428591)

Isn't the effect/aim of this to *prevent* LG from using Linux in any device
once GPL3 is out?

Question: Can Samsung/LG/etc legally use Linux in their product once
1) They have signed one of these satanic "patent deals"
2) GPL3 is out

If not, have Microsoft have effectively cornered the entire embedded systems
market? Maybe they finally figured out that the future of computing is not
necessarily on the desktop...

I stall can't figure out what's in it for LG.

Re:Just wasting their money... (1)

codemachine (245871) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428847)

I stall can't figure out what's in it for LG.
Millions of dollars, and possibly some other perks too.

Someone really needs to put an end to this patent threat nonsense.

The cascade effect has started. (2, Insightful)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 6 years ago | (#19427997)

Be prepared to see more and more of this sort of thing.
Embrace, extend and extinguish [wikipedia.org]

When will the USDOJ step in and put a stop to this? Probably never.
Goodbye GNU/Linux. I loved you, while you lasted.

Re:The cascade effect has started. (4, Funny)

ronadams (987516) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428059)

You're probably just being your namesake, pair-a-noyd. By the way, I just noticed a new package is available in my stable-supported channel: ms-bsod-import. I wonder what that means?

Re:The cascade effect has started. (1)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428101)

Why would the DOJ be interested in Microsoft licensing its patents?

Re:The cascade effect has started. (4, Informative)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428913)

Why would the DOJ be interested in Microsoft licensing its patents?

Anti-trust.

MS is pressuring people to sign these agreements under the veil that they could get sued by Microsoft -- even though none of their claims have been released or validated.

Snidely imply that Linux violates your patents, get people to sign up and cross license their patents with you, then use that as further pressure to get other people to sign up for licensing agreements. These companies didn't go to MS and say "hey, we'd like to do that" -- I bet thy got told that if they *didn't*, then they could be subject to legal action.

Illegally using your market dominance to unfairly compete -- too bad the USDOJ lost their balls to actually do anything. Notice, they still haven't complied with the EUs requirements.

Basically, they're just thumbing their nose at people who are pointing out what they are doing is supposed to be illegal.

Cheers

Re:The cascade effect has started. (4, Funny)

Compholio (770966) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428205)

Embrace, extend and extinguish
Don't worry, most of our community doesn't embrace back. It's kinda like the girls we slashdotters chase after - no matter how hard we try they're NEVER going to embrace us. Sure, we might get mixed signals from a couple but it's nothing serious.

My post: -1 offtopic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428417)

It's kinda like the girls we slashdotters chase after - no matter how hard we try they're NEVER going to embrace us. Sure, we might get mixed signals from a couple but it's nothing serious.

Why chase girls? Why chase anyone?

If I am expected to have someone in my life who will encourage me in my persuits, console me in my failures, entertain me in my boredom, and get me off....why shouldn't that person be me? I mean, after all, I *can* do all of those things myself, and it is a whole lot cheaper that way.

What's that about letting the sex drive dominate one's most important decisions? Sounds to me like slavery to an addiction. I require more freedom than that.

If you self-actualize by raising children then I can see the need for "chasing" potential mates. Beyond that, who needs relationships?

Re:My post: -1 offtopic (-1, Offtopic)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428483)

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy masturbation as much as the next guy...

However, I enjoy cumming in a pussy just a LITTLE bit more than cumming in my own hand.

Try it sometime. You might just like it more too.

Re:My post: -1 offtopic (-1, Offtopic)

dave562 (969951) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428697)

The face is a much safer target. No baby daddy payments that way. =)

Re:My post: -1 offtopic (-1, Offtopic)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428713)

yeah, but then she might go blind...that's expensive too.

Besides, my lady is shall we say....disconnected:-)

Re:The cascade effect has started. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428875)

1. Embrace - Mircosoft launches its own Linux distribution.

2. Extend - Microsoft then releases free, but proprietary extensions for said distribution which include a nice GUI, ability to run Vista/XP applications perfectly, and DirectX 10 support, all for free.

3. Extinguish - You know what comes next, because you'd use it yourself too (or at least be very tempted to).

OPEN LETTER TO SLASHDOT EDITORS AND MODERATORS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428017)

My shorts are around my ankles, I just tested my anus -- I let a nice loose fart rip. No high toot sound, no not here. My anus is stretched and ready to be plugged by a massive cock. So let's get down to business. I'm ready to get fucked.

Garcia

I may be the only one but (-1, Troll)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428037)

I really think that this is a Good Thing for any involved part. For MS, they are actually rising theit contact with the Open Source movement and this will lead to an integration of their technology (like .net, silverlight and others) to Linuzzz.

For linuzz, this is actually an oportunity to raise their "status" for Joe Average, that doesn't even know what the hell Linuzzz is. This could also be an opportinity for Linuzzz to get a change to update it's desktop technology and maybe even get a little commercial help.

The only ones that should be crying for this are Linuzz and OS purists. As for me? I DON'T BELIEVE in software religion.

Re:I may be the only one but (5, Funny)

Reason58 (775044) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428137)

As for me? I DON'T BELIEVE in software religion.

What on Earth are you doing on Slashdot?

Re:I may be the only one but (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428221)

As for me? I DON'T BELIEVE in software religion.


Hi! I think you're on the wrong site. I believe you are looking for digg [digg.com] .

Linuzzz? (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428225)

WTF is Linuzzz?

Re:Linuzzz? (0, Troll)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428271)

[blockquote]WTF is Linuzzz?[/blockquote] And WTF is tha M$ that people use to right about on /.?

Re:Linuzzz? (1)

froggero1 (848930) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428365)

[blockquote]WTF is Linuzzz?[/blockquote] And WTF is tha M$ that people use to right about on /.?

Yeah, and WTF is all this spelling and HTML stuff I keep hearing about?

Re:Linuzzz? (1)

brunascle (994197) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428455)

but M$ means something. the dollar sign was chosen for a reason. what exactly is "Linuzzz" supposed to mean?

Re:Linuzzz? (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428639)

That it's compressed three times? (For those of you who don't use Linux or don't meddle in that part of the system, vmlinuz is the name for the Linux kernel compiled using gzip)

Re:Linuzzz? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428773)

It's the way trolls spell "Linux"

Okay, dumb people, too, but I'm giving GP post more credit than that. :-)

Re:I may be the only one but (1)

ronadams (987516) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428249)

For MS, they are actually rising theit contact with the Open Source movement
They've had plenty of contact, in the form of veiled threats, lawsuits, technology theivery, etc. Or, if you prefer my non-(-1: Troll) reply to that statement, I would say: they've been working in and around OS environments for years now.

and this will lead to an integration of their technology (like .net, silverlight and others) to Linuzzz.
I'm missing where that's a Good Thing. Most software in use in the corporate environment is not .NET powered, nor does it need to be. Besides, we already have Mono [google.com] ; what exactly are you looking for?

For linuzz, this is actually an oportunity to raise their "status" for Joe Average, that doesn't even know what the hell Linuzzz is. This could also be an opportinity for Linuzzz to get a change to update it's desktop technology and maybe even get a little commercial help.
Yes, because Microsoft is helping get Linux to the end user. That's the purpose of this campaign. Silly me for missing that. As far as updating it's technology, I guess you haven't noticed that the Beryl Project [bery-project.org] puts AeroGlass to shame in both stability and features, Beagle [google.com] has a faster, more efficient engine than Vista's search capabilities, and... I could go on, but the point isn't to start fanboy wars. It's to say that Linux needs help from Microsoft the way a capsized seaman needs help from a pool of sharks: he'll get out of the water, but not in one piece.

Re:I may be the only one but (0)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428413)

The good thing? The same that saying that (for example) is a good thing getting technology X or Z ported to Linuzz (wherever it comes from). It's about what OS advocates tell all the time: about "freedom" (whatever that is). .net and silverlight (2 examples from the top of my head) is great technology that can't be ignored and having it ported and fully integrated with Linuzzz is a great options. Some purists like you won't be "contaminated" with anything from Redmond, but non-religious people will be glad with this. Use or not. It's an option.

Down with software religiosity, damn it!

Re:I may be the only one but (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428701)

Unfortunately, a lot of the stuff from Redmond does contain a lot of legal problems that can cause severe long-term damage to those who use them. As for .net/Mono, I prefer Python myself but if you really want to use Mono I guess you can. Though I guess preferring to use things I can always rely on to be open and free is "software religiousity" to you...

Re:I may be the only one but (1)

ronadams (987516) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428755)

The good thing? The same that saying that (for example) is a good thing getting technology X or Z ported to Linuzz (wherever it comes from).
Does not compute. Also, I'm still missing the "Linuzz" thing, but that's beside the point.

It's about what OS advocates tell all the time: about "freedom" (whatever that is).
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html [gnu.org]

.net and silverlight (2 examples from the top of my head) is great technology that can't be ignored and having it ported and fully integrated with Linuzzz is a great options.
I guess you didn't read the link to the Mono Project? And Silverlight is already described by M$ [silverlight.net] as being "cross-platform and cross-browser". What more do you want?!

Some purists like you won't be "contaminated" with anything from Redmond, but non-religious people will be glad with this.
It's not about the Microsoft software. It's about M$ patent bullies trying desperately to destroy free software [fsf.org] . Please don't reply back until you understand what FOSS is about, and why we're against what M$ is doing. The art of debate is knowing your opponent's points better than they do.

Re:I may be the only one but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428491)

We need a moderation for -1: Bad URLs...

Re:I may be the only one but (1)

xgr3gx (1068984) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428251)

Update it's desktop?! It's already better than what M$ has to offer!
Plus it's more flexible, with all the desktops available.
You can have a skinny light weight desktop like XFCE, or a heavy feature rich one like KDE
or GNOME with the Beyrl Window manager which rivals Vista's Aero.

Re:I may be the only one but (0, Flamebait)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428525)

And you should add: with a lot of incompatibility. Not everything is about choices. There is NOT an absolute "best" or "better". You should say that in some things some of those desktops have gotten better. What is great for some people is a bleah for others. OSX zaealots may think that having a unique top menu is a great thing and blah blah while some studies done in Stanford university say that this is actually a big no-no in usability. So there is NO "best" or better... Down with OS religion and prejudices!

Re:I may be the only one but (1)

dragonsomnolent (978815) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428739)

Can you tell us all exactly where the root of the incompatibility is please? Are the OSS developers hiding APIs, file system structures, protocol structures etc.? (please go easy on me developers, haven't done anything but bash scripting forever and a day). I'll answer that for you, no, the whole thing is Open (anyone can view the source code). Wheras with Microsoft (don't want to offend you with the M$), they hide and obfuscate everything they can to keep rivals from working with them, then threaten to sue anything that tries to (the exceptions in the Novell agreement). So, who is not playing nice and creating incompatibility with others?

Re:I may be the only one but (1)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428867)

So you think Apple open the source to their OSX for the competition? Or Adobe opens the source for Photoshop for Corel to copy it? Or Cocal Cola opens the recept of their drink for pepsiCo? This is COMMERCIAL software. And yes, sometimes OS software is great and in some case better than closed source. In other cases the oposite is true. And in many cases... just use the best tool... or the tool you like more. I use Windows Commander as my shell. Closed source. I don't care. I use SVN as my code versioning software. Don't care. I use RAR as my fav. compression format. Don't care about 7z. Software is just software. The "freedom" of using OS tools only is an ilussion.

Re:I may be the only one but (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428457)

this is actually an oportunity to raise their "status" for Joe Average, that doesn't even know what the hell Linuzzz is.

frankly I would rather joe average get to know about Linux by doing his own research rather than being spoon fed by Microsoft. In fact, it wouldnt surprise me if all Joe average got from this was that Microsoft is the innovator and Linux is the one behind... it just makes me cringe

Re:I may be the only one but (1)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428599)

Why? What will this matter? Joe will think that Torvalds invented the system! When in reality he just CLONED an existing system? And the true is that Linuzzz today is NOT AT ALL "pure"! Lots of cash is injected everyday by IBM, Sun, Google , MS and houndred of companies! THE ERA OF THE PURE LINUZZZ IS OVERR!!!!!

Re:I may be the only one but (1)

ronadams (987516) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428903)

Calm down. Let me put some things in perspective for you:
  1. Linux never claimed to not have its origins in UNIX. That's always been one of its selling points, actually.
  2. Cashflow into an idea or (in this case) a software platform is a Good Thing, if the software remains "free". You REALLY need to read the links I posted, and think about what other people here are saying, instead of firing off your WTF-cannons.
  3. Linuzzz does not sound like Linux, is not witty, and takes too long to type. I hope you don't work in marketing.
  4. For someone who isn't a "purist", you really seem to love M$, even if their solution isn't the best one... (incidentally, show me all the programs/sites in the world using Silverlight. Now show me all the sites in the world using LAMP. Oh, thanks.)
Have a friendly, non-FUD-filled day.

Re:I may be the only one but (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428961)

Why? What will this matter? Joe will think that Torvalds invented the system! When in reality he just CLONED an existing system? And the true is that Linuzzz today is NOT AT ALL "pure"! Lots of cash is injected everyday by IBM, Sun, Google , MS and houndred of companies! THE ERA OF THE PURE LINUZZZ IS OVERR!!!!!

sounds a lot like a troll but I'll bite. Linus did invent Linux, it isnt merely a clone as you think, it is a completely seperate/distinct OS- in fact there isnt a single line of code from Unix/Minix in the kernel. as for Linux not being "pure" it doesnt matter if the work was paid to be done or not, the code is still free to use. It can still be shared as it was intended and just because IBM and others use the code for what they want and pay people to improve it doesnt mean it isnt still free to share. now Ballmer about your spelling ability, Linux is spelled L-i-n-u-x not linuzz

Re:I may be the only one but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428555)

Good thing you believe in company religion.

Re:I may be the only one but (1)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428679)

What does you make think that? Oh I see... My ideas don't fit politically correctness here in this little insignificant /. world. Well for your info. I don't believe in Open Source religion. Don't believe in Company religion either. Software is just software above any ideologies. Use it as a tool and get the better thing out of it. Do it for good. You will be happy. And wiser. I work for a univerity and in my free time I develope freeware (a very succesfully one BTW). My freeware is not better that the university owned one. The commercial is not better than mine. They are different. And equal. They are just bytes in the end.

Help! I'm confused (5, Interesting)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428073)

Why do I keep seeing headlines about companies signing patent deals with a company who said that Linux infringes on exactly 225 of their patents, but doesn't know which ones? Why are companies signing patent deals with a company to protect them from patents without knowing what they are? This is sounding like SCO -vs- IBM 2.0, but even more bizarre. What the heck is going on?

Re:Help! I'm confused (1)

smartbei (1112351) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428179)

Though there is no apparent way to be sure, I would presume that these companies have access to more information than the general public. Otherwise, it would not make sense that so many (and probably more soon) would enter into this kind of a agreement with MS. Either that, or the agreement was discussed and possibly agreed upon in some form before this invisible-patent-waving became an issue.

Re:Help! I'm confused (4, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428215)

go read the deals themselves. Ignore the headlines and read the friggin deals.

Novel pays MSFT $100 odd million. MSFT pays novel $240 million.

Novell nets $140 million dollars, and MSFT literally spews FUD, when MSFT did the paying.

Xandros and LG are just cashing in on the deal. Not for Linux's sake but for free money from MSFT.

Re:Help! I'm confused (1)

logixoul (1046000) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428499)

...a company who said that Linux infringes on exactly 225 of their patents, but doesn't know which ones?
I don't get it either. If I were MS, I'd unveil the list (and 225 seems a ridiculously low number). Their "we wouldn't be able to handle the tsunami of responses" excuse doesn't seem to make any sense at all...

Why are companies signing patent deals with a company to protect them from patents without knowing what they are?
1. MS pays them. 2. They get publicity. 3. PHBs buy their stuff more, since it's "protected".

Re:Help! I'm confused (2, Funny)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428787)

I don't get it either. If I were MS, I'd unveil the list (and 225 seems a ridiculously low number). Their "we wouldn't be able to handle the tsunami of responses" excuse doesn't seem to make any sense at all...
If I were Joseph McCarthy, I'd unveil the list(and 205 communists seems a ridiculously low number).

Re:Help! I'm confused (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428567)

>Why are companies signing patent deals with a company to protect them from patents without knowing what they are?
Because maybe their squad of highly expensive lawyers understand a bit more about the situation and the relevant law than random slashdorks?

Even the FSF's own rhetoric [slashdot.org] implies that MS actually got away with something in the Novell deal and won't be allowed to do it again for GPL3.

First they came... (4, Insightful)

Howitzer86 (964585) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428123)

When Microsoft came for Novel,
I remained silent;
I did not use OpenSUSE.

When they locked Xandros into a deal,
I remained silent;
I did not use their software either.

When they came for LG Electronics,
I did not speak out;
As I did not think it meant anything.

And finally when the suits came for Ubuntu,
there was no one left to speak out.




Embrace, Extend, Destroy.

Oh, shut the fuck up (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428255)

They're not the Nazis.

You cheapen the deaths of the millions murdered by the Nazis by equating, however approximately, the patent deals struck by a software company with the deportation of people to death camps.

Fuck you.

Re:Oh, shut the fuck up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428383)

Please mod up. It could be worded more courteously, but isn't nearly as offensive as the comment it's responding to.

Re:Oh, shut the fuck up (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428493)

>You cheapen the deaths of the millions murdered by the Nazis
We're talkin jews, here. You can't any cheaper than them!

Re:Oh, shut the fuck up (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428607)

If M$ saw profit in acting like Nazis, they would act like Nazis. Do you doubt that for an instant?

Re:First they came... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428285)

There is always Kubuntu... try it you might like it.

Re:First they came... (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428737)

You do realize Kubuntu uses the exact same packages as Ubuntu, and is in fact part of the Ubuntu tree, right? Had you said Debian or Gentoo you may have had a point, but you don't, since it would be Mark Shuttleworth making the deals and they would apply to Kubuntu too.

Re:First they came... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19429055)

LOL I think Mr AC knew that and just felt like playing dumb.

Re:First they came... (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428325)

Thank you! At least there's someone with some damn sense around here.

Don't you people get it? Microsoft is trying to destroy Linux as a viable platform for corporate use.

Hello? Linus? You need to sue Microsoft for slander of title.

Re:First they came... (1)

non (130182) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428337)

to whom do would you speak, LG? they made their decision, based on strategic business values in the face of the threat of legal action on the part of microsoft. you can bet the covenant they signed contains an NDA concerning the patents involved; this is what microsoft wants, to intimidate by threat.

Re:First they came... (1)

lolocaust (871165) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428649)

Don't forget, Samsung have made a patent deal with them as well. LG are now just another company who obviously do not want my business.

Re:First they came... (1)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428683)

And finally when the suits came for Ubuntu, there was no one left to speak out.

These corporate deals have no force of legal precedence, so they are irrelevant w.r.t. Linux being defended in any potential court cases. It's more about Microsoft paying for advertising and corporations paying for blue-sky warm fuzzies.

Re:First they came... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428769)

When they locked Xandros into a deal, I remained silent; I did not use their software either.

Microsoft's not the Nazis, and patent deals are not concentration camps. Aside from the sheer offensiveness of the comparison, Microsoft can threaten a company with lawsuits, but ultimately they can't lock anyone into a deal they're not willing to sign. And the greater community's certainly hasn't remained silent; their disapproval is well-known. Are you proposing something more - rescuing these companies from their own decisions? I have no idea how you would attempt that.

And finally when the suits came for Ubuntu, there was no one left to speak out.

You seriously think there will be no one left after Ubuntu signs one of these? Get some perspective - look at who is willing to ship non-Free software and who isn't. Novell, Xandros, and Ubuntu on one side; RedHat and Debian on the other.

Re:First they came... (1)

nodesyn (1050376) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429027)

This could be a very long and drawn out battle... I don't know if anyone else liked the movie 300 but in a way it reminds me a bit of the Spartan rise against the Persians... the hard core Linux users will not buy into this crap. It defeats the purpose of Linux. Microsoft, like they always do, is trying to bully obviously inferior "greek nations" into submission. I for one will never bow down before anything Microsoft. Microsoft tries bluff their way into something, and if anyone in the proper position with a backbone could break this beasts back and send it home.

Re:First they came... (0, Troll)

westlake (615356) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429081)

First they came

I think nothing demonstrates better the immaturity and self-importance of the Slashdot Linux Geek than when he quotes and mis-quotes Pastor Niemöller and Gandhi.

What a deal (1, Redundant)

tsa (15680) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428129)

From TFA: As part of the deal, Microsoft will have access to LG patents that cover computer architecture utilized in game consoles and other products and will license other LG patents that are owned by system integrator MicroConnect Group, which is based in Manchester, England.

So Microsoft 'owns' LG now, and what does LG get? A lot of hot air, it seems to me.

Re:What a deal (4, Interesting)

mrsmiggs (1013037) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428343)

It's a cross patent protection deal, just like the same deal Apple has with Microsoft. It is in no way as significant as the Novell or Xandros deals. If LG didn't ship Linux products this wouldn't be news but would still have the exact same affect on the consumer: zero.

Both companies are simply saying we could sue each other but we won't.

Re:What a deal (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428661)

but would still have the exact same affect on the consumer: zero.

Well, on Slashdot it seems to generate some affect. However the effect will probably negligible. :-)

Idea.. (1)

mulvane (692631) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428145)

Maybe software pirates as a whole should get MS to sign a deal with them to not sue over distribution of pirated software and to provide protection to those they serve it too.

Re:Idea.. (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428715)

Maybe software pirates as a whole should get MS to sign a deal with them to not sue over distribution of pirated software and to provide protection to those they serve it too.
But what would they have to offer? Not charging Microsoft for their distribution service for MS software?

Power (1)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428211)

Power has been the same from ancient Rome to Jesse Jackson to the Mafia - They leverage power, make certain demands, stated either subtly or outright, and you either pay their tributes and taxes or something bad happens to you.

Re:Power (2, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428431)

They leverage power, make certain demands, stated either subtly or outright, and you either pay their tributes and taxes or something bad happens to you.

      However this only works if your victi - er partner feels they have something to lose. The little guy, however, was the undoing of the Roman empire, and it will be the undoing of Microsoft. Mark my words. And long live the internet.

Pioneer next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428257)

Their plasma panels are running linux. Will they have to kiss microsoft's ass too?

Freedom isn't free, you can't fight city hall (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428315)

This is what killed linux; the IP/Patent system. In 5 years MS will have managed to use the legal system to systematically eradicate all linux distributions, and will either be on their way to eliminating the BSDs, or will have done so already. SUN, of course, will close solaris back up and threaten any alternate distributors of the codebase with litigation.

All over 235 patents.

As another poster here said; the Free Software Movement was great while it lasted. Too bad it won't for much longer.

GNU
1983-2006
RIP

Re:Freedom isn't free, you can't fight city hall (2, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428885)

Even if MS could kill commercial Linux, it will not be able to kill Linux. Linux survived quite some time without business. Yes, development will slow down, but there will be no way it will be killed. That's the big advantage of FOSS: When IBM stopped supporting OS/2, it basically was dead. If IBM stops supporting Linux, then it will still exist and continue to be developed.

What?! (1)

cmdrTacyo (899875) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428369)

Microsoft and LG Laura Croft and EB Tacyo I spit free Rock shows and get G'z Grands and girls Gave /. a necklace full of pearls (nah mean?) I got the /. flow getting /. dough gettin these / hot hoes! Microsoft is soft and LG is even worse /. crook I'll snatch your purse and purse your snatch (nah mean?) So stop hating and go cop the LP My picture clearer then LG

WTF ? (1)

drpimp (900837) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428439)

Can anyone explain WTF is really going on? I mean it seems like every day in recent days M$ is buying another Linux vendor. When and don't quote me, but didn't they say a year or years back perhaps that Linux was not a threat? But what does "embracing" Linux say (I say that loosely as I don't know their intentions) about M$ when they were not threatened nor interested in Linux but dropping all this cold hard cash? To me it just sounds like they are doing the old saying, "If you can't beat em ... join em" How long until M$ claims full IP on Linux? This is scary shit if you ask me. I for one DON'T welcome these Evil Empire Overloads. No you can't have your cake and eat it too!!! Or maybe they can?

Fuck's sake (0)

nagora (177841) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428461)

Exactly when did the law get passed that said you have to talk with Microsoft to use Linux?

Novell have a lot to answer for.

TWW

How can microsoft claim..... (2, Insightful)

budword (680846) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428519)

That it's patents are worth something when it has to PAY everyone to license them ? Isn't the point to COLLECT money for your patents ? I know they have a long term plan and more money than god, but I don't believe this will pay off in the future. I think by the time this deal, and the others like it even start to recoup M$'s investment, there will be some form of patent reform, that will make these deals useless.

One quick point... (4, Interesting)

TihSon (1065170) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428531)

Before I get my qwerty in a knot over this, am I not correct in pointing out these covenants and agreements apply only to companies who deal with the U.S.A., while doing business in said state?

Last time I checked, I live elsewhere, my current distro is E.U. based, and my probable future distro is based in the Isle of Man, so why should I care about Americans shooting themselves in the foot?

good for Linux (1)

nanosquid (1074949) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428557)

These agreements give Microsoft a little legal clout in the short term, but if they mean that LG and other companies feel safe using Linux now, that's a big problem for Microsoft: even if Microsoft actually had valid patents that impact Linux, they run out in an average of a decade, and any Windows customer they have lost to Linux by then is a problem for them.

In fact, these agreements are so obviously bad for Microsoft that I really wonder when the other shoe will drop.

This is becoming scary .... (2, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428573)

Microsoft is basically signing reciprocal agreements with all of these companies saying that MS won't sue them for patent violation and vice versa.

Is this basically giving Microsoft free access to everyone else's patent portfolio? It's not like they've specifically enumerated which patents are at issue here. So if these companies are signing something which says "I promise never to sue MS for patent infringement", and furthering the belief that open source must be in violation, aren't MS getting a tremendous advantage and leverage over the rest of the industry?

Man I wish the USDOJ hadn't dropped the ball on anti-trust proceedings.

Re:This is becoming scary .... (2, Insightful)

1gig (102295) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429085)

You hit the nail on the head. MS is really after the cross patent part of these deals. They are getting tired of being sued for patent violations them selfs. So the best protection is to cross license with everyone and there brother. Once they protect them selfs then we need to watch out as they have protected them selfs from retaliation if they decide to go after Linux in a big way. True we have a few companies on our side but still if they can limit the number of companies that can file in retaliation when they go after Linux then it is better for them. So what we have is MS tying the hands of those that might come to the defense of Linux if they start suing Linux people or one of the Free minded Distributions like Ubundu or Debian.

Isn't extortion illigal? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428593)

Looks to me that what MS is doing here is borderline illegal.

Re:Isn't extortion illigal? (3, Insightful)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429095)

Looks to me that what MS is doing here is borderline illegal.


Oops. Here, let me fix that for you:

Looks to me that what MS is doing here is criminally illegal.


There. That's better.

Patent Projects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428789)

The probable patents which M$ is discussing are those to which it was on a project basis for Hardware/Software/OS infrastructure.

Usually these are things like USB/FireWire/Wireless technology.
What we need to create is a list of M$ Active Patents and those pending approval. With the list the patents can be classified for analysis.

Also remember current software patents apply to USA and Japan. If there are other countries then they also will have to be removed from direct distribution of the offending Software. Example of this was the selling of encryption. That is if Ubunutu is managed out of South Africa then it does not need to worry or just sells for free in Patent based countries. Alternative is just states that the distro should not be mirrored in those countries.

I don't know about the rest of you (1)

Guaranteed (998819) | more than 6 years ago | (#19428855)

I don't want protection! I have used Linux for years without it, and I see no reason to start asking for it now. Microsoft can come after me or anyone else using Linux for any number of patent infringements, and I can re-write the code. Cut it out. Cite prior art. Find a workaround. That is power that I have as a user, thanks entirely to Open Source, and I certainly don't need any sort of protection other than the freedom to modify my own code to protect me from microsoft and their frivolous patent claims.

The OS Wars (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19428943)

Linspire: Oh, they're coming! They're coming! Just like last time!

Debian: We've got to wait it out for reinforments.

Linspire: They killed Private Xandros and Assimilated General SUSE! We've next!

BOOOOOOOOM!

Debian: LG Electronics!

Linspire: They're gone...

Red Hat: (removes his hat)

Ubuntu: (plays a funeral tune on his bugle)

THIS FP FOR gNAA (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19429051)

Don't want to feel prima donnas, and clearly become used tO. SHIT ON the longest or
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