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Touch Sensitive Paper With Built-In Speakers

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the menu-won't-stop-singing-please-take-it-away dept.

Communications 83

The Bongo King writes "There have been several stories about digital paper discussed here on the site recently, but an offering from Swedish research scientists has a new twist. They have made a prototype billboard of interactive paper with built-in flat loudspeakers apparently also made of paper. 'Touch sensors are made using a fine pattern of conductive lines in which the current flow is altered when a hand touches it. Laptop computer touchpads use the same principle. Speakers are made by printing electromagnets out of conductive ink and stretching the paper over a cavity like a speaker cone behind the billboard. The electromagnets vibrate in response to a current, creating a sound.'"

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Touch Sensitive Goatse (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19429511)

Goatse! [goatse.cz]

Russia To The Rescue: +1, Helpful (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19430067)


Finally, a country [en.rian.ru] to counter U.S. Imperialism [whitehouse.org].

Sincerely,
K. Trout

With speakers... (3, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429519)

Can't wait for the day when I can write "/." and the paper screams, "Hey, dork, you spelled 'Slashdot' wrong."

Re:With speakers... (1)

bobo mahoney (1098593) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429571)

That paper would get tired trying to tell me all of my spelling mistakes - spellcheck for the pen and pencil set would be pretty cool though.

Re:With speakers... (2, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429655)

I don't think I want to go to a coffee house where an artist is having an argument with his paper over a drawing of the hot Goth chick serving coffee. Although it might interesting if the hot Goth chick's boyfriend shows up, and the paper tells him how ugly his girlfriend looks. I'm sure the artist would be changing papers in a hurry. :P

Re:With speakers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19430971)

A horrifying image came to my mind... toilet paper!

And classified documents... (4, Funny)

Roadkills-R-Us (122219) | more than 6 years ago | (#19431101)

...will scan your fingerprints, and if you aren't cleared for the document, the paper can start singing "you can't touch this!"

If I want a talking picture, I'll watch TV (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19429521)

Now wake me up when they invent a talking pie.

Re:If I want a talking picture, I'll watch TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19435253)

The Pie wont talk, but to his attorney,
however the pigs are lining up in
"squadron formations" ;)

Re:If I want a talking picture, I'll watch TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19435359)

So, like, an apple pie? Then you can try doing something like what happened in the movie American Pie, and the pie will talk to you and.. yeah.. okay.. that's just creepy. Yeah. I'm just going to leave, bye.

Immagine... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19429565)

how much more fun printed pr0n could be!

But will it.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19429633)

...wipe my ass for me?

Re:But will it.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19430693)

Yes, with sound effects. Didn't you even read the summary?

Oh god no (5, Insightful)

cbuskirk (99904) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429601)

5 years from now you will walk down the isle in a grocery store and every box will be animating and screaming buy me like the cereal box in Minority Report.

Re:Oh god no (5, Funny)

7Prime (871679) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429761)

Actually, that's a really good idea. Never saw Minority Report. What could be better than video advertsing ON THE PACKAGING!

I work in advertising, I'll have to have a talk with my boss about this.

Re:Oh god no (1)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 6 years ago | (#19430007)

Don't get your hopes up just yet; it's only sound.

Re:Oh god no (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 6 years ago | (#19431891)

Don't get your hopes up just yet; it's only sound.

Don't forget that new thin-film display technology from Sony. If it gets cheap enough...

Re:Oh god no (1)

Chatsubo (807023) | more than 6 years ago | (#19434997)

Just imagine the porn magazines.... Of course, you wouldn't want the condom packs in the store to blurt out: "Hi John! Want the rough rider again like last time? Or can we reccomend something new? Glow-in-the-dark? Susan will love it." At which point, Jane leaves.

Re:Oh god no (1)

taff^2 (188189) | more than 6 years ago | (#19435655)

You work in advertising? Cool, I've got a great new advertising medium for you. You take all the advertising agencies worldwide and send them to the centre of the sun. From there your clients message can ride the solar winds to the furthest edges of the galaxy. Don't forget your sun-tan lotion though.

Re:Oh god no (2, Informative)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429935)

Ever walked down the toy section at wallmart (or was it toys'r'us, can't remember). There are toys in packaging with sensors that detect people walking by and set off the sales pitch when you get close enough. Its quite startling, not to mention annoying.

Re:Oh god no (1)

GrievousMistake (880829) | more than 6 years ago | (#19430977)

The employees must love them. I know how much they adore those exposed 'try me' buttons.

Re:Oh god no (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | more than 6 years ago | (#19431235)

As an ex-employee of a pinball parlor, from the 80's, I can report that my absolute favorite pinball was Gorgar, whose lack of bilabial fricatives in it's early-gen speech generator had it endlessly calling "I'm Gorgar, eat me." Or perhaps it was deliberate?

That, and the golf game with the music that was just that much out of tune.

Re:Oh god no (1)

Fordiman (689627) | more than 6 years ago | (#19433561)

That's kinda a nightmare use for them.

On the other side of the futurist spectrum, I'm kinda looking forward to finding random fun easter eggs on my packaging.

Origami (2, Funny)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429639)

Making a tweeting bird that moves it's eyes and responds to you touching it and all from a single digital paper.

How about for e-paper? (0, Offtopic)

fractalVisionz (989785) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429663)

I'm just waiting until they do the same for e-paper. Then, not only will the paper have graphics and animation, but it will have sound too. Also, I expect an embedded ccd to come in a few years, making the new media computer a piece of e-paper attached to a bulky battery.

The Return of the Scroll (2, Interesting)

StCredZero (169093) | more than 6 years ago | (#19430005)

If you have to have a battery attached to the paper, you might as well make it cylindrical, so you can roll the e-paper up. (Folding will probably not be so friendly to it.)

The return of the scroll!

Digital paper (0, Redundant)

hack slash (1064002) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429737)

If they can merge the technology of digital paper with touch sensitive paper things could get interesting...

Noise pollution? (5, Insightful)

Zironic (1112127) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429781)

I think we probably need new laws against noise pollution fast. I really don't look forward to billboards speaking to me.

Re:Noise pollution? (1)

Wicko (977078) | more than 6 years ago | (#19430969)

They could do it already if they wanted, billboards aren't exactly designed to be space reducing, would be very easy to throw on a few speakers.. you wouldn't need this expensive paper to do it..

Re:Noise pollution? (1)

Cal Paterson (881180) | more than 6 years ago | (#19433039)

I'm sure that before billboards were widely used, people thought of them and large and obnoxious, whereas humans became adjusted to them and filtered them out of their lives.

With time, perhaps sound will become the same?

Re:Noise pollution? (2, Insightful)

Meski (774546) | more than 6 years ago | (#19433395)

Argh. Sorry, but the answer to things you don't like is not more micromanagement laws.

Re:Noise pollution? (1)

bronney (638318) | more than 6 years ago | (#19433407)

Don't worry, when the mass hate something enough that's shown publicly, it will be destroyed at around 3am at night. Now if you put protection around it, then it'll lose its use as a touch paper.

Re:Noise pollution? (1)

RealGrouchy (943109) | more than 6 years ago | (#19433441)

I really don't look forward to billboards speaking to me.

Then again, that cute girl in the eyeglasses ad...

- RG>

Re:Noise pollution? (1)

owlstead (636356) | more than 6 years ago | (#19443805)

I was in Portugal/Lisbon and they had these billboards already. Could not see the speaker, but it must have been behind the paper somewhere. Damn annoying, even if I could not hear what they were saying. It was something like 'ring' 'ring' and then a lady said you needed to go to some operator. God, if I would have lived in that city I would have demolished every billboard I could find. Then again, this is a country where they have someone shouting over the speakers during a soccer game on the top of their lungs. The *whole* game. So they are probably not that bothered about it.

oh god...the ads...the ADS!! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19429791)

once advertisers get a hold of this material, and they start showing up all over the place with irritating ads that scream at you, will either be the day I commence a campaign of BRUTAL city-wide vandalism, or I give up and move into the woods.

Re:oh god...the ads...the ADS!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19429953)

You won't be alone.

Re:oh god...the ads...the ADS!! (1)

El Yanqui (1111145) | more than 6 years ago | (#19438325)

The worst will be the new talking ads above the urinal. "Small pen is? Get a biggur thiker d1ck now!"

Re:oh god...the ads...the ADS!! (1)

pubwvj (1045960) | more than 6 years ago | (#19445755)

I already did move to the woods. No TV. No cable. No radio. No billboards. Few people. The internet's fine - surf with plugins and Java turned off and use an ad killer on the browser. Email program kills the spam. Life is good. Cheers -Walter Sugar Mountain Farm in the mountains of Vermont http://sugarmtnfarm.com/blog/ [sugarmtnfarm.com] http://hollygraphicart.com/ [hollygraphicart.com] http://nonais.org/ [nonais.org]

mod 3own (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19429807)

Worthwhile. It's fact there won't I know it sux0rs, having lost 93% users. This is members' creative in jocks or chaps it. Its miision is worse and worse. As

Incredible Opportunities (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19429811)

The opportunities for this kind of technology are limitless. Really - books, notes, travel, magazines, anything can be digitized and made incredibly accessible.

Not to mention Snape dies so Harry can kill Voldemort and survive, making it an incredible communication tool in non-power friendly places, like say deserts or jungle for military use. The fact that it's flexible makes it able to handle harsh environments - simply roll it up, stick it in a tube and keep on going. Computer on top of Everest, anyone?

Really, this is an incredible breakthrough and deserves plenty of attention; I'm not sure the market is ready for it yet, but this kind of technology will absolutely become a part of our day-to-day lives in short order.

Re:Incredible Opportunities (1)

crAckZ (1098479) | more than 6 years ago | (#19429931)

to bad they cant make it with a memory. your reading your book, you touch the bottom left and the words fade and the next page appears. you could have a whole book on one page. patent pending of course.

But will it run... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19429983)

...Linux?

Enviromental (4, Insightful)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#19430029)

If you thought over packaging was bad now. Imagine a cereal box with 1/4 of it reserve for the battery that powers the digital paper display and 1/4 reserved for the speaker. The remaining 1/2 will be food facimille made of phosoric acid, aspertame, Hydrogenated vegetable oil, and recycled newspaper print.

Re:Enviromental (3, Informative)

timeOday (582209) | more than 6 years ago | (#19431523)

Time Magazine just ran this interesting photo essay called "what people eat." One of the interesting things to notice is how much wasteful packaging [time.com] we use compared to those [time.com] who still eat mainly for nutrition. Which is not to say I'd like to live like a refugee, only that it's a shame quality food can't be packaged without all that expense and waste [nyc.gov]: "Only about 9 percent of the cost of a box of cereal is for the cereal -- the other 91 percent of the cost is for the package and advertising." Unfortunately we humans are suckers for outwards appearance.

Re:Enviromental (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 6 years ago | (#19431925)

"Only about 9 percent of the cost of a box of cereal is for the cereal -- the other 91 percent of the cost is for the package and advertising."

That's why the generic cereal that comes in big bags is so much cheaper, usually 1/4 the price, or even less. Often, it's exactly the same stuff as in the small, brightly-colored boxes with the nationally-recognized brand names.

Re:Enviromental (2, Interesting)

lessthan (977374) | more than 6 years ago | (#19433851)

Sorry, this is totally OT, but your sig drives me crazy. Morons have to die sometime, but a stupid idea can last forever.

Re:Enviromental (1)

sco08y (615665) | more than 6 years ago | (#19501023)

One of the interesting things to notice is how much wasteful packaging [time.com] we use compared to those [time.com] who still eat mainly for nutrition.

The packaging acts to *prevent* waste from spoilage and damage.

And I had a long debate argument with a friend about the whole canard that "just 10% of the cost is for the food." To get from grain growing in a field to become a box of cereal in a convenience store, there are hundreds of people who added a little bit of value at each stage of production. They each take their cut, and that's what reflects the price on the sticker.

Re:Enviromental (2, Interesting)

rowlingj (118872) | more than 6 years ago | (#19433009)

No, Birds. Think of the birds! Birds sit on signs, crap on signs, nest on signs. Not any longer: Bird lands on sign. Sign detects small conductivity along top edge and blurts out annoying local species alarm call.
But why stop at birds? everywhere you put the sign in train stations, the rear / underside could be sensitive to (say) rats and might squark some ultrasonic move-along signal.

Re:Enviromental (1)

Wooster_UK (963894) | more than 6 years ago | (#19435375)

Well, the quarter for a battery can be removed by using wireless power (qv Slashdot [slashdot.org], also today). So you'll just get radiated cereal, instead of over-packaged cereal.

What an idea (0)

Anon-Admin (443764) | more than 6 years ago | (#19430091)

I can see it coming! You go to the store, pay 1$ and the system prints out a piece of paper. You fold it a few times and you have a set of headphones. Now you can listen to the song you just bought for 1$ and once it has played it is no good. Just crumple it up and throw the thing away.

What about printed cell phones? or printed greeting cards that deliver your message to the intended victim, I mean recipient?

I personally would love to see some one wall paper there living room with it. Touch here and the wall tells you where to stick it.

Re:What an idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19433597)

jesus people need to rtfa. Even the summary says, its just a regular speaker cone with paper stretched across it to conduct the vibrations. No, really, this is NOT something new. It's how your headphones work - without the fuzzy covering to make them more comfy.

god, yes, the sound actually emanates from the paper... wtf?

Re:What an idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19441207)

So much for nailing up pictures!

The next step . . . (2, Funny)

cashman73 (855518) | more than 6 years ago | (#19430101)

The RIAA is already planning their next major lawsuit against the paper industry,...

New meaning for vanity toilet paper (2, Funny)

whallify (1112847) | more than 6 years ago | (#19430381)

So a good novelty item might be disposable electronic talking paper. Maybe it can give feedback as it's being, um, used. "no, you missed a spot."

Was it 1986? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19431381)

I think it was 1986 although I don't clearly remember, but Nissin or some other instant noodle brand was offering flat paper speakers.

DS? (1)

Cooliocopter (1008631) | more than 6 years ago | (#19432169)

Touch sensitive and with speakers? Maybe Nintendo will utilize this, then we can look forward to playing the brand new 'Paper Mario' :)

touchable talking e-ink (1)

Edward Kmett (123105) | more than 6 years ago | (#19432197)

Now what we need is a way to get those conductive inks to work with something like eInk dynamically changable images where icons detect touch via conducted electricity, low cost sound coming from your 1-page rollup newspaper. Probably tricky to get the current to flow across e-ink pixels that way though. Though, even if you couldn't get the e-ink parts to be touch sensitive, little conductive UI panels in the corners for forward/back touch spots wouldn't suck. Now all thats needed is flexible paper-thin power sources and circuitry.

Electromagnetism? Why not piezos? (2, Interesting)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 6 years ago | (#19432237)

Speakers are made by printing electromagnets out of conductive ink and stretching the paper over a cavity like a speaker cone behind the billboard. The electromagnets vibrate in response to a current, creating a sound.'"

Sounds like a lot of current and associated structure to get this to work.

Why not just use plastic piezoelectric benders? Then the paper will talk even when being held in free air.

(Or hasn't the patent on that expired yet?)

Re:Electromagnetism? Why not piezos? (1)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 6 years ago | (#19437463)

It's probably a lot cheaper to print what they're using now. As in this whole thing will be printed on a large format inkjet, probably on several sheets of paper to accommodate the cavity.... then the cavity will be die-cut out as is standard and constructed using a cheap wood/plastic/alluminum frame. Sounds pretty cool to me.

It's an innovative use of the new inkjet printing of circuits technique.

Your idea does hold merit though and we at Hallmark cards will be looking into it aggressively ;-p

Re:Electromagnetism? Why not piezos? (1)

Pseudonymous Howard (466076) | more than 6 years ago | (#19438757)

Your idea does hold merit though and we at Hallmark cards will be looking into it aggressively ;-p

No skin off my patent portfolio. It's already been done decades back - and I'm not going to bother with trying to claim just combining it with electronic paper.

Re:Electromagnetism? Why not piezos? (1)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 6 years ago | (#19446445)

Your idea does hold merit though and we at Hallmark cards will be looking into it aggressively ;-p

My previous post counts as "prior art". So I just open-sourced it.

Hallmark is welcome to use it - along with anybody else. B-)

If a tree falls in the forest... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19433653)

will it eventually scream when turned into wasted paper?

the downside (2, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 6 years ago | (#19434427)

Those attending the demonstration of sound-making-paper technology reported 1. it indeed worked. 2. it sounded like rustling paper.

Interesting (1)

xhydra (1083949) | more than 6 years ago | (#19434581)

Skin mags should integrate this into the centerfold......so it moans when you touch ....... ENUF SAID !!!

My toilet paoer talks to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19434631)

It says you must die it says this over and over... ;-)

Time to start building portable EMP generators (2, Insightful)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 6 years ago | (#19434889)

...to silence all the animated, noisy ads this invention will inevitably lead to.

The fourth type of paper (1)

taff^2 (188189) | more than 6 years ago | (#19435637)

Guy: grnngngngnnnhhhgghhgnnnrrrnrn! ahhhhhh!
Paper: You have traces of blood and 2.5 peanuts in your excrement.
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