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Microsoft Hires Director of Linux Interoperability

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the over-to-the-dark-side dept.

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AlexGr sends us to Todd Bishop's blog in the Seattle PI for news that Microsoft has brought someone aboard to serve as its Director of Linux Interoperability and head up the Microsoft/Novell Interoperability Lab. "...his name will be familiar to people in the open-source community. In an e-mail late Thursday night, a Microsoft representative said the role will be filled by Tom Hanrahan, who was most recently the director of engineering at the Linux Foundation, the group created through the recent combination of the Free Standards Group and the Open Source Development Labs."

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no... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19438241)

Judas ! Go to the creationist museum where you belong.

Reminds me of "We're from the government..." (3, Interesting)

mollog (841386) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439317)

Reminds me of "We're from the government and we're here to help." To which the reply goes, "You're confusing me, which is it? You're from the government, or you're here to help?"

Microsoft having someone with the title of "Director of Linux Interoperability" is one of those euphemisms. He's not going to improve interoperability, but he'll be addressing interoperability. Much of the interoperability between Microsoft operating systems and Linux have happened despite Microsoft, not with Microsoft's help. They fought SAMBA, for example.

Please remember Microsoft's long history of polluting standards and interfaces. They buggered such standards as HTML and Java. They have everything to lose with interoperability, and very little to gain. If they believe in interoperability, they would not oppose the move to open document standards.

Finally (4, Funny)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438255)

NOW things will finally start getting better between MS and Linux!

Or the opposite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19438405)

They probably hired him as a compass that indicates South.

Re:Finally (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19438451)

Now Windows will have 200 distributions with subtle changes between them. They will, change the GUIs between them. Add package repositories. And the OS core will be modifiable.

All of it, for a "reasonable" amount of money.

Re:Finally (3, Funny)

hahiss (696716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438795)

Great---*now* I will be able to get MS Office and Windows Media Player! And we can replace the standard *nix shells with cmd.exe.

I hope they will release .deb files for 'em. . . .

Re:Finally (5, Insightful)

walt-sjc (145127) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439111)

Seriously, what this means is that MS will become more compatible with Linux, not making Linux more compatible with MS products from an interoperability standpoint.

For example: better NFS client / serving from Windows server, Office being able to read (not write) ODF, running Linux applications on Windows, stuff like that. Things that help people migrate OFF Linux. There may be a side effect that some things in Linux will work better with MS, but that is a side effect and not intended behavior.

If MS was serious about working with Linux in a positive way, they would be releasing proper documentation on their file formats and network protocols with no strings attached (such as massive license fees.) Unless forced to do so (by the EU) this will NEVER happen.

Re:Finally (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439837)

Things that help people migrate OFF Linux.

Except that anyone who has got used to Linux-esque ways of going about their business will not have any interest in these shenanigans...

Re:Finally (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439867)

If MS was serious about working with Linux in a positive way, they would be releasing proper documentation on their file formats and network protocols with no strings attached (such as massive license fees.)

"If Linus was serious about working with MS in a positive way, he would be releasing all of his code with no strings attached (such as the GPL)."

Sounds stupid when you say it the other way, doesn't it?

Re:Finally (5, Funny)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439375)

In other news, we got our hands on an early version of this press release:
HELL, Earth. June 8th, 2007. (NASDAQ: HELQ) Hell has Frozen Over.

In a shocking event, Hell has taken on an icy interior today. Says one demon, "It's actually quite nice, what with the flying bacon and all." Operators of the Infernal Furnace spoke to us briefly: "All the sudden our computers froze", "We were installing a Microsoft Service Pack and all the sudden a penguin came on the screen and the whole environment changed." Hell has scheduled a press conference to happen later this week where we will receive an update on this situation.

Representatives at Microsoft were not available for comment.

Contacts:
Lucifer,
666-666-1234
lucifer@inhell.com

Steve Ballmer,
666-666-1233
therealdevil@inhell.com

Re:Finally (1)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439445)

The problem is that Microsoft thinks that Interoperability means using Linux services from Windows and converting a Linux system to Windows ... and nothing else .. It does not mean allowing a Linux user to access Windows services since they want a Linux user to use Windows instead ...

 

Wow... (2, Funny)

nametaken (610866) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438271)

Can you imagine how bad that guy gets razzed by his coworkers?!

Razzing doesn't break bones (5, Funny)

cyberianpan (975767) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438677)

And Brad Smith, senior vice president, general counsel and corporate secretary at Microsoft, is rumoured to have gotten quite concerned about this development. After reading case law on "duty of care" that an employer ought extend to employees he has arranged for Tom Hanrahan to immediately go on advanced "object avoidance course" which will be taught by crack martial arts instructors. Microsoft is refusing to confirm rumours that Hanrahan is currently in a Seattle gymn with 10 instructors & a number of pieces of "office furniture".

Re:Razzing doesn't break bones (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439379)

Haha. That's hilarious. I almost spat my coffee out.

Re:Wow... (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439487)

Yeah, well, I'm sure that he's laughing all the way to the bank.

Are you sure you don't mean... (1, Funny)

cmacb (547347) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438291)

his name will be familiar to people in the open-source community. In an e-mail late Thursday night, a Microsoft representative said the role will be filled by Tom Hanrahan,


Are you sure you don't mean... SATAN!???

Re:Are you sure you don't mean... (0, Flamebait)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438373)

Is it too soon to start spitting on his children in the streets... or should we just set his SUV on fire?

If the bush administration is reading this and is humor impaired, this was a joke and was not a terrorist threat on the life of Mr Hanrahan, his children or the employees or stockholders of Microsoft and its subsidiaries. God bless America and may it never burn ito a smoldering pile of ash on the date of August 13th at 3:22PM EST.

mods? (2, Funny)

HiggsBison (678319) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438673)

... fire ... burn ... smoldering pile of ash ...

I realize this was meant as "funny", but
Must ... resist ... modding ... "flamebait" ...

Re:mods? (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438857)

Rove, I thought they put your brain in a vat after Cheney stole your heart during his last bypass surgery??

Re:mods? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439125)

They did temporarily, but Rove's brain (and heart) were both replaced with a rapper's from Compton [youtube.com] , who goes by the name Tron.

Re:mods? (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439321)

yeah but didn't MC CPU pop a cap in his ass in the central core?

Re:Are you sure you don't mean... (0, Flamebait)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439789)

I wholeheartedly agree with setting all SUVs on fire.

Re:Are you sure you don't mean... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439291)

No, I believe his new designation is Linuxus of Borg. He was chosen because up until now they've been thwarted by Linux users, and have chosen a familiar user to aid the assimilation process. His uniqueness has been added to their own collective. Resistance is futile.

I recall Netware and NT interoperability... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19438293)

...back in those days, it amounted to little more than a means to migrate from Netware to an NT domain. The Unix compatibility stuff that exists now amounts to about the same. I wonder what Microsoft has in mind with all this? It would be weird if it was more than "one way" compatibility.

LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19438299)

More like Director of Linux Inopuatriauoniapbiltironamatix. You see, I took a stupid word and made it unpossibly more worser.

Great! (3, Insightful)

dwiget001 (1073738) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438319)

Yet another Linux person that will work at MSFT for a short bit, then get the heck outta Redmond once he sees how screwed up things really are from the inside.

Re:Great! (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438377)

No-one ever gets out.

Re:Great! (1)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438473)

Daniel Robbins [wikipedia.org] did.

Re:Great! (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438517)

No gold handcuffs on that one I guess.

hehe (2, Funny)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438341)

here's an InternetNews.com interview with him from December 2004.
Couldn't get a quote huh? Gee, I wonder why. I bet if you did get a quote out of him it would be all about his best intentions and how he's going to change things at Microsoft, etc. Give him 6 months, the optimism and naivety will fade away and he'll say repeating the company line.

Evil is insidious.

Re:hehe (3, Insightful)

Dan Ost (415913) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438803)

How about we wait until we've actually heard from him before we jump to conclusions. It's always possible that he'll either be marginally effective or that he'll bail out once he decides he can't accomplish anything useful.

No need to assume he'll become evil.

Not yet, anyway.

How hard can that be? (0)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438375)

All you have to do to fulfill Microsoft's goals is to be sure that nothing can interoperate with your project without itself being compromised somehow. Doesn't sound hard to me.

Itsatrap (1, Funny)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438407)

You never hear stories of angels going down to hell to spruce things up, do you?

Re:Itsatrap (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439397)

Dante's Inferno says otherwise, kid.

I still think.. (1)

Mockylock (1087585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438417)

I still think MS will have a linux variant by 2015.

They have the resources, support and money... it's just not a huge threat to them at the time being.

They could have a Linux variant tomorrow (1)

simong (32944) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438703)

But they won't. MS's prime directive remains to put Windows wherever they possibly can. My feeling is that this move will open up some subsystems like SMB, but only to any distributor that signs up to the agreement. I wonder how many patents Samba would fall foul of if Microsoft decided to enforce their patents?

Re:They could have a Linux variant tomorrow (1)

Mockylock (1087585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438843)

Maybe they'll just do an even trade.

Re:I still think.. (2, Informative)

jshriverWVU (810740) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438871)

Microsoft had their own Unix back in the day:
Xenix [wikipedia.org]

Re:I still think.. (1)

Mockylock (1087585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439119)

I actually had a copy of that.. probably still do somewhere. Funny stuff.

Go eers! BCS champs this year.. I feel it.

Re:I still think.. (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439999)

I actually had a copy of that.. probably still do somewhere. Funny stuff.

So do I, though only on floppy dicks(!) and I no longer have a drive for them. Nor do I have any interest in pursuing Xenix now that it is no longer my job to do so...

It's all about MS-Office profits (4, Insightful)

mangu (126918) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439101)

I still think MS will have a linux variant by 2015.


I'd say much sooner than that. These days Microsoft's cash cow is Office, not Windows. As GWB is having some trouble in maintaining his Google bomb [google.com] , Microsoft will soon realize that MS-Office in Linux is a better business model for them than OpenOffice in Linux.

Re:It's all about MS-Office profits (1)

walt-sjc (145127) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439713)

It won't be easy, but porting the mac version is the only viable way. You have Win32, Cocoa, and a possible X11 version based on??? QT? GTK? Motif? Running (correctly) under Wine? Considering how long it's taking for a Cocoa flavor of OOo, I would be surprised to see a MS Office for Linux sooner than 2009.

Re:It's all about MS-Office profits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439773)

Nah, If anybody can make a working wine-like product, Microsoft can.

re (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19438423)

Bill: Tom, I am your father.
Tom: Really?
Bill: No, but I hve tons of money for you!
Tom: Dark side it is!

Re:re (1)

0p7imu5_P2im3 (973979) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439951)

No matter how good the idea, some one always beats you to it now days...

Glad I read this far before pulling that same joke and embarrassing myself.

Typo. (5, Funny)

guffe (771664) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438431)

I believe the title should be: Microsoft Hires Director of Linux Inoperability Slashdot should read through their posts more carefully in the future, so that typos like this doesn't happen.

Re:Typo. (1)

evansvillelinux (621123) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438595)

If I had any mod points, I'd give 'em to ya. That was funny.

ODF (3, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438439)

That is what Microsoft would do if they were serious about interoperability with anyone. They'd support ODF -- natively, not through some third-party open source plugin. They'd drop OpenXML. And they'd stop lobbying governments who want to stardardize on a real document format.

Or, hell, send some developers over to the Wine project.

Since none of this is happening, I can only assume that this "Linux interoperability" guy is either a complete hypocrite, or is going to have no real power within the company.

Re:ODF (4, Insightful)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438997)

They want windows desktops and servers to interoperate with linux servers...
Why? because linux has a significant server marketshare, and they are FORCED to interoperate with it or face losing marketshare themselves.
Linux however has very little desktop market share, so it's more profitable for microsoft to ignore it and thus make it harder for people to migrate to linux.

Ever noticed how a lot of the interoperability between windows and other os's centers around those os's implementing proprietary protocols from windows, rather than windows implementing standards from other os's. There have been a few other cases where microsoft have been forced to implement standards to interoperate (tcp/ip, image formats etc) but they have always preferred to force their own proprietary implementations on people if they will stick (netbeui, bmp etc).

I think you misunderstand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439087)

You see, to Microsoft, "interoperability" is a one-way street. If you use Windows, you can access everything, but if you don't, you can't access Microsoft stuff.

So they make Word able to read ODFs, but make it a pain in the ass to save documents to ODF because they know that everyone can read ODFs, but that you need MS Word to read OOXML.

Re:ODF (3, Funny)

hxnwix (652290) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439417)

They'd support ODF -- natively, not through some third-party open source plugin. They'd drop OpenXML.
How much more open could the be? OpenXML is an open standard! Look, in order to parse an OpenXML document, you simply open Microsoft word and ...

What an easy job (1)

Winckle (870180) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438445)

He doesn't have to anything at all

Connections (4, Insightful)

Gryle (933382) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438491)

I have no idea why, but for some reason "Director of Linux Interoperability" brings to mind the US Drug Czar and the War on Drugs

Re:Connections (1)

dave562 (969951) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438851)

I'm glad I read through the comments before making my own. I had the same thoughts. Now Microsoft has a Linux Czar.

Re:Connections (3, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438869)

I have no idea why, but for some reason "Director of Linux Interoperability" brings to mind the US Drug Czar and the War on Some Drugs

fixed.

Re:Connections (1)

ABCC (861543) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439367)

I reflexively assume that such titles are Orwellian in nature. Thus, I read it as Director of Linux INoperability.

Once again (0, Flamebait)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438535)

Once again I expect to get beaten to death by zealots moderators but I really don't care. Getting karma back on slashdot is really easy screaming a pair of "linuzz rocks" and "OMG MS copies Apple again", so I don't care getting modded down by expressing MY opinion, which is as valid as anyone elses.

To the point: this is great news. The integration betwen Windows and Linuzzz (yes, the one that has been expected by years) is finally happening. The 2 sides are and will get better in this affair. MS must get better implementing the standards if they really want to get things working with OS community. I even expect them to get back a couple of interesting things to the community. Of course those who don't want to be "contaminated" by Redmond, will scream and cry, wanting to mantain their Little elitist system minoritary.... The problem here is that the times where Linuzzz was pure are over. LOTS of chash is being injected by Google, Sun, IBM, MS, so purity (whatever it is) is now over.

Integration and interoperability is a good thing and it is time to leave back all childchish discussions from both parts and learn to live together. MS is making steps towards this. Now the most conservative part of the other side is the REAL resistance.

Not a troll or flaimbait, but mod me so... I don't care. I can fake my stupid karma back. I've done so a houndred of times. Getting karma is easy. losing it by expressing a valid opinion is a honor,

Re:Once again (4, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438833)

It would be good news.

If we lived in that universe where "Director of Linux Interoperability" actually meant what you think it means. Unfortunately, out in the REAL WORLD, that title actually means "Director of increasing the perception of interoperability with Linux system while actually making them less compatible."

So yeah, keep living in your dream world.

Re:Once again (5, Informative)

Jussi K. Kojootti (646145) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439007)

Once again I expect to get beaten to death by zealots moderators but I really don't care. Getting karma back on slashdot is really easy screaming a pair of "linuzz rocks" and "OMG MS copies Apple again", so I don't care getting modded down by expressing MY opinion, which is as valid as anyone elses.

...

Not a troll or flaimbait, but mod me so... I don't care. I can fake my stupid karma back. I've done so a houndred of times. Getting karma is easy. losing it by expressing a valid opinion is a honor,

Personally I think that even mentioning moderation ("I know I'll be modded down for this, but..") is pretty lame. You just spent half your post brooding over it.

Mod parent up (1)

3p1ph4ny (835701) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439649)

I hate this too.

Re:Once again (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439017)

cash being injected is NOT a problem. Trying to kill Linux or trying to make it subservient is. If you think that is an attempt to provide interoperability and not part of the EEE plan, well, then you do not know your history.
 
In addition, on your next post, please spend at least 1/2 of the time talking about the subject rather than about your mod points. For all of that whining, you should be modded down.

Re:Once again (1)

the_womble (580291) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439341)

LOTS of chash is being injected by Google, Sun, IBM, MS, so purity (whatever it is) is now over.

Not having cash put into it has NEVER been an aim of Linux, or of open source in general.


In the case of Google, Sun and IBM their interests are aligned with improving Linux. On the other hand MS can only lose if Linux improves (and increased interoperability with the dominant OS would be an improvement), so it is reasonable to expect that they are somehow trying to damage Linux - it makes no sense for them to do anything else.

Re:Once again (4, Funny)

milatchi (694575) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439633)

linuzz rocks
OMG MS copies Apple again

Re:Once again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439751)

Are you kidding? Microsoft doesn't want to improve interoperability, they want to make it easier to migrate from Linux to Windows. When has Microsoft ever improved interoperability? Why aren't they helping the WINE guys, if they are so interested in such things?

Re:Once again (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439933)

If you were not trying to be a troll or flamebait-ish, you would drop the "Linuzzz" as was pointed out to you yesterday.

If you want to be taken seriously (as most people who are saying M$ at times drop it when they're making a more sober, interesting point), drop the High School Nerd flamebait attitude.

And, while you're at it, saying, "I know you're going to mod this flamebait" only works when its a slightly offensive statement, not a statement filled with sophomoric jargon. (not to mention that you don't know what you're talking about).

Chill the still (3, Funny)

democrates (1055572) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438591)

Cut the guy some slack, they're probably holding his family hostage. Seriously though, MS issue recruitment staff with MIB memory blanker gizmos. You meet, POOF!, and then believe them when they say "We are your friends! Ak. Akak Ak Ak!"

Just another step in validating their IP... (3, Interesting)

pjviitas (1066558) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438603)

...Vista is just another Linux distribution. Buying Novell was the first step in establishing IP claims on Linux. The suits have already arrived to take away Linux...we just don't know it yet. This of course won't stop those of us who really know how Linux came about...but when Microsoft is done they will have the masses believing they invented it. Just my 2 cents. Hedghog

Re:Just another step in validating their IP... (3, Interesting)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439133)

You know maybe finally by some stroke of genious , MS realized the real money is not in selling the OS but the apps that lay on top of the OS.

Linux for years now has become a server competitor , unix was the main server os for awhile , and small servers are dominated by windows. Maybe they finally got the hint that their os is insecure by nature.

I would love to see a windows rewrite from the ground up. Completely based on security and some of the fundamentals that make windows so easy to use. It is possible that this is what they are doing. Getting into these companies can mean that MS has access to many briliant minds who may not be windows fans. It's easier to embrace the companies these folks work for and get the company paying them on your side , then it is to go after each developer.

I actually like when all these companies play nice together. It helps to develop better software. We just may see a new version of windows that may play well with linux/unix and be able to hold its own weight in the high end / high availability server market.

Re:Just another step in validating their IP... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439793)

Microsoft are a overweight corporate thug and a bully, who once acquired a dodgy CP/M knock-off, a crap word processor and a bunch of other shodware. If what you're saying is right, they're about to take a major fall.

Microsoft would be welcome to come play and compete with everyone else in the linux market but instead they attempt to throw their weight around and seize a controlling interest. Not only does community development not work like that but software patents are invalid in the EU, it's questionable if they'd be upheld as valid in the US if the supreme court ever ruled (and everyone knows it).

So it's looking like hot air, the last breaths of a dying beast that could never compete without cheating. What a joke.

And Who Did They Hire?? (4, Funny)

Black-Man (198831) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438645)

As director of Linux sue-ability?

Re:And Who Did They Hire?? (1)

phrostie (121428) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438793)

oh come on!
that was funny.

where are my mod points when i need them.
*looks around for missing points*

I guess this is the embrace part (2)

1shooter (185361) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438717)

of embrace, extend then extinguish.

Hanrahan...Where have I heard that before? (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438737)

Oh yeah - Fletch referring to "that pederast Hanrahan".

Guy must have gone through hell when that movie came out.

the patents (1)

joejor (578266) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438761)

Does this mean he will actually see the putative patents MS has been rattling its sabers about?

aaaand (1)

i_liek_turtles (1110703) | more than 7 years ago | (#19438771)

Just as I click on this article, I get a "Blahblah company name does not play around with Linux!" and chooses the Windows server instead. Oh, lulz.

What a bargain for Microsoft; (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19438811)

I hear they were able to bring him on board for 30 pieces of silver...

"Ministry of Linux Interoperability" (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19438991)

Why does this remind me of The Ministry of Peace?

Predicted further Ministries:
  • Ministry of Fair Competition (in charge of creating and maintaining monopolies)

  • Ministry of User Empowerment (in charge of keeping users from mucking around with their own data or applications)

  • Ministry of Community Development (in charge of eradicating the Open Source and Free Software communities)

how's it been going with Sun (4, Interesting)

Locutus (9039) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439003)

Didn't Microsoft and Sun sign a deal to "interoperate" a few years ago? Where has THAT gone?

BTW, Microsoft does not want to interoperate with Linux and OSS. They want it gone, so any "talk" about deals and smoke-mirror agreements will only flounder, stall, and drag on forever. Anybody who believe otherwise is just fooling themselves.

LoB

Re:how's it been going with Sun (2, Insightful)

huckamania (533052) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439783)

Fortunately, it's not a zero-sum game. I think MS understands this, probably better then the average slashdotter.

Worst story ever? (2, Funny)

mattgreen (701203) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439035)

I can't wait to read all sorts of interesting theories on how this will really work from people who have never been inside Microsoft, yet feel the need to 'enlighten' us with their ignorance. In order to help us positively identify people most participating in groupthink, please use one or more of the following memes so we can divvy out moderation points faster:

* Ballmer throwing chairs
* Embrace, extend, extinguish
* Clippy hate
* Funny BSOD jokes

In the meantime, I'm curious who took the job, because people will hate them for no reason now. Ah zealotry, without thee, what would I do on this site?

Disappointed (1)

suggsjc (726146) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439127)

I'm really disappointed in the lack of "itsatrap" comments and tags...slackers

Re:Disappointed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439733)

It's too late - Hanrahan has already stepped into the trap.

I've said it before (1)

xgr3gx (1068984) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439149)

Everytime I see Microsoft and Linux in the same article, all I have to say is:
Microsoft is becoming more evil, I don't like what they're doing one bit.
There are definately alterior motives going on for M$, and I hope all the Linux distros stand up again them.
Competition fosters innovation. If M$ gets rid of the competition, they will have no innovation.
Oh wait...that already is the case. Can anyone remember the last real innovation that come out of M$?

Re:I've said it before (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439537)

There are definately alterior motives going on for M$, and I hope all the Linux distros stand up again them.


The OSS/Linux Army will stand up to fight, but true to form, instead of them grouping together like Spartans with a united front toward the enemy, each member that doesn't like facing that direction will fork off and face whatever direction they want to face.

Re:I've said it before (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439953)

The Spartans wouldn't last very long in modern warfare, one rocket and they're all fucked. This is the type of enemy Microsoft is used to. Who do you think will win in the fight between Microsoft and the whole world?

Can you say 'inevitable'?

Re:I've said it before (2, Interesting)

DogDude (805747) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439557)

Competition fosters innovation. If M$ gets rid of the competition, they will have no innovation.

Well then, maybe the competition should start competing, don't 'cha think? Considering the "competition" can't even give their products away for free, I gotta think that the problem is with the competition, itself, not MS.

Re:I've said it before (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439715)

> Microsoft is becoming more evil,...

Like an expectant mother becoming more pregnant?

Forgive my ignorance but... (2, Interesting)

CodeShark (17400) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439211)

Would some of those who seem to have a brain built for more than just Pro Linux or pro Linux or anti- whatever rants PLEASE comment on whether they think this will be a good thing or a bad thing and why? because I don't know a thing about this person.

Re:Forgive my ignorance but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439865)

> ... PLEASE comment on whether they think this will be a good thing or a bad thing and why?

It will be a GOOD thing for those customers of both Microsoft and Novell who are reportedly demanding better software interoperability from the two vendors. As to WHY better interoperability will be a good thing for them...you'll just have to ask them.

Doing the right thing???? (1)

baomike (143457) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439269)

I some how doubt it, this is MSFT after all.
This looks like window dressing.
If somebody is lulled into a false sense of security , so much the better.
In a year or two we may know if this is sincere. I doubt it.

Smoke and mirrors (3, Insightful)

fishfinger (685260) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439315)

If Microsoft were serious about interoperability, the solution is simple, just release (patent free) documentation for file formats and protocols.

Anything else is just smoke and mirrors.

Re:Smoke and mirrors (2, Interesting)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439597)

If Microsoft were serious about interoperability, the solution is simple, just release (patent free) documentation for file formats and protocols.
I don't really get how releasing information like "The .doc format is a basically a memory dump of certain parts of Microsoft Word" would be useful...

The problem is, we understand the file formats, they're just small pieces of memory dumps of what Microsoft Word uses internally. In order to implement them correctly you would need to emulate the DESIGN of what Microsoft Word does in memory. In other words, you'd be implementing a sort of word clone to support the .doc format properly.

This is also why Microsoft word is not very compatible when it comes to documents created in a different version.

I even doubt Microsoft has proper documentation on the formats internally.

Redmond Campus gone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439545)

How many people would shed a tear if Al Qaeda pulled off a attack on M$ at the redmond campus completely destroying the whole campus - late at night when the -innocent- people were not there?

Pesky tags... (4, Insightful)

dr00g911 (531736) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439605)

I know that yes/no/maybe/haha weren't entirely useful as tags except for a quick laugh (not debating the inherent usefulness of tags at all, which I feel debatable).

itsatrap would be completely apropos here.

Just sayin'... the tagging system currently may as well be a checkbox list of categories. Not exactly user generated.

Keep your friends close (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439655)

and your enemies closer.

The MS strategy seems clearer now (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439669)

It's like advertising: by generating news related to both Microsoft and Linux nearly every day they want people to make an automatic association between the two names; since Microsoft didn't succeed in destroying Linux, they're trying to get the role of Linux's most important authority in the world, taking away public attention from true Linux distributors.

I'm pretty sure this is one of their main goals; don't know if it's the first or a secondary one though.

Two sinister possibilities here.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439679)

...both having to do with Samba. One would be to use his knowledge of the workings of Samba to try to break it in some future Windows release. The other (and possibly even worse) would be to attempt to draw the Samba team into some sort of "dialog" in order to contaminate them with exposure to M$ proprietary information and then claim infringement.

lolmsft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19439949)

im in yr linux
scrooing wit yr opun sourcerers

"Windows Ain't Done Till Lotus Won't Run" (1)

mkcmkc (197982) | more than 7 years ago | (#19439997)

Hanrahan's first task will be to come up with a catchy slogan to summarize Microsoft's position on Linux...
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